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2nd Jan '17 11:15:38 PM ApeAccount
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* Another "Carbon Creek" example was T'pol referring to her "second foremother". Initially this just seems like a typical example of a Vulcan using SpockSpeak rather than using a more common (though perhaps less exact term) like great grandmother. However, it makes a lot of sense that Vulcans would refer to ancestors by these sort of terms. Given the length of their lifespans it is possible if they reproduced at young ages for many generations to be alive at the same time at which point terms like "great great great grandmother" would become cumbersome. So it's actually quite (if you'll forgive me) ''logical'' that a Vulcan would use such a term.

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* Another "Carbon Creek" example was T'pol referring to her "second foremother". Initially this just seems like a typical example of a Vulcan using SpockSpeak rather than using a more common (though perhaps less exact term) like great grandmother. However, it makes a lot of sense that Vulcans would refer to ancestors by these sort of terms. Given the length of their lifespans it is possible if they reproduced at young ages for many generations to be alive at the same time at which point terms like "great great great grandmother" would become cumbersome. So it's actually quite (if you'll forgive me) ''logical'' that a Vulcan would use such a term.term.
* In "North Star" at first it seemed strange that the humans were apparently able to overthrow these aliens who were obviously technologically advanced (at least enough to have transporters, beam weapons, the ability to travel to Earth then take slaves the fifty light-years from Earth to the Delphic Expanse) but that none of those technologically advanced aliens ever showed up to find out what happened to their people in the last 200 years. Then it hit me that this colony was in the 'Delphic Expanse', basically the Bermuda Triangle of space where ships go in but don't come out and where Vulcans fear to tread. After they didn't hear back from their people they probably learnt something of the reputation of the place and decided not to send another ship. Of course, it's extremely unlikely we'd ever see a return of the Skagarans in a future Trek series but if we did it'd be interesting to encounter a group of technologically advanced Skagarans who may not like the idea of a group of cowboy humans having oppressed their people.
18th Dec '16 10:59:28 PM ApeAccount
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* Remember that BewareTheNiceOnes speech that Quark gave Nog in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' about how when pushed hard enough, "hoo-mans" can become as dangerous as [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]]? "The Expanse" demonstrates this subtly but effectively, and not just the part where ''Enterprise'' blasts Duras' bird-of-prey to hell. The area where ''Enterprise'' is headed, called the Delphic Expanse, is considered so dangerous and unpredictable that even the Klingons are afraid of it. When ''Enterprise'' is just about to enter the Expanse, Duras' wingmen bug out, and his own crew think he's nuts for wanting to chase ''Enterprise'' in there. Yet our heroes are flying in without a second thought to find the Xindi who attacked Earth. Piss humanity off enough, and they'll charge in where ''Klingons'' fear to tread.

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* Remember that BewareTheNiceOnes speech that Quark gave Nog in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' about how when pushed hard enough, "hoo-mans" can become as dangerous as [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]]? "The Expanse" demonstrates this subtly but effectively, and not just the part where ''Enterprise'' blasts Duras' bird-of-prey to hell. The area where ''Enterprise'' is headed, called the Delphic Expanse, is considered so dangerous and unpredictable that even the Klingons are afraid of it. When ''Enterprise'' is just about to enter the Expanse, Duras' wingmen bug out, and his own crew think he's nuts for wanting to chase ''Enterprise'' in there. Yet our heroes are flying in without a second thought to find the Xindi who attacked Earth. Piss humanity off enough, and they'll charge in where ''Klingons'' fear to tread.tread.
* Another "Carbon Creek" example was T'pol referring to her "second foremother". Initially this just seems like a typical example of a Vulcan using SpockSpeak rather than using a more common (though perhaps less exact term) like great grandmother. However, it makes a lot of sense that Vulcans would refer to ancestors by these sort of terms. Given the length of their lifespans it is possible if they reproduced at young ages for many generations to be alive at the same time at which point terms like "great great great grandmother" would become cumbersome. So it's actually quite (if you'll forgive me) ''logical'' that a Vulcan would use such a term.
18th Dec '16 10:29:04 AM thatsnumberwang
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** This is certainly a good explanation for the catsuit. After all, no other Vulcan wears one, so if you believe humans to be brutes ruled by their base emotions, it makes perfect logical sense to try and use that to your advantage by highlighting T'Pol's ''assets''. She was just too unskilled and/or unwilling in the art of the femme fatale to really capitalise on it.
24th Oct '16 9:41:32 PM nombretomado
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* The "alternate" opening to ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'''s MirrorUniverse episode "In a Mirror Darkly" still says "Based on ''Franchise/StarTrek'' Created by GeneRoddenberry." Do we even want to ''know'' what ''that'' looked like?

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* The "alternate" opening to ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'''s MirrorUniverse episode "In a Mirror Darkly" still says "Based on ''Franchise/StarTrek'' Created by GeneRoddenberry.Creator/GeneRoddenberry." Do we even want to ''know'' what ''that'' looked like?
16th Oct '16 6:14:17 PM Zatman
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** There's another bit of Fridge Brilliance on the part of the Borg that was dinged by ''Website/SFDebris''. In his review, Chuck dinged the Borg for not including the "We are the Borg" part of their standard greeting. Given that these Borg were from the future, so they know how it plays out, they wouldn't want to give the Federation any heads up. If they did their standard greeting, then when Picard got back from J25, all Starfleet would have had to do is type "Borg" into LCARS-Google and they'd get ways to resist/stop assimilation, ways to modify weapons to work, etc. and already be at a post Best of Both Worlds level of tactics and tricks. Or even better, when the El-Aurians started talking about the Borg, they would start preparing nearly 70 years ahead of time. But this way, all they have are some vague 200 year old references buried deep in some archives somewhere that probably just has vague references to cybernetics, which could easily be confused with something like, say, the Bynars. -- Tropers/Zatman
13th Aug '16 6:38:37 AM StarTropes
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*** They're not talking about phaser rifles. They're talking about something more like an AK-47. Sometimes KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter.
21st Jul '16 3:40:57 AM StarTropes
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* Another entry related to "Carbon Creek." I always felt the episode offers a great, organic explanation for why T'Pol has such difficulty controlling her emotions and is so rebellious: her great-grandmother T'Mir. She displays most of the same characteristics that her descendant eventually would, so clearly it's something that runs in the family. This idea was strengthened when we find out that T'Pol's mother T'Les, as a high-ranking Syrranite, is a revolutionary. The female line kept that story alive, and kept that purse preserved, for four Vulcan generations. T'Pol not only had the purse with her on Earth, but took it with her onto Enterprise. She never took a vacation, but she took a pilgrimage to the place where her ancestor made first contact with Earth, violated the Prime Directive in numerous ways, and lied to her superiors. T'Pol combines the mindset she shares with her female family members, the rebellious attitude they've fostered for centuries, with actual experience with humans that exceeds even T'Mir's. No need for her father to randomly be a Romulan spy.

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* Another entry related to "Carbon Creek." I always felt the episode offers a great, organic explanation for why T'Pol has such difficulty controlling her emotions and is so rebellious: her great-grandmother T'Mir. She displays most of the same characteristics that her descendant eventually would, so clearly it's something that runs in the family. This idea was strengthened when we find out that T'Pol's mother T'Les, as a high-ranking Syrranite, is a revolutionary. The female line kept that story alive, and kept that purse preserved, for four Vulcan generations. T'Pol not only had the purse with her on Earth, but took it with her onto Enterprise. She never took a vacation, but she took a pilgrimage to the place where her ancestor made first contact with Earth, violated the Prime Directive in numerous ways, and lied to her superiors. T'Pol combines the mindset she shares with her female family members, the rebellious attitude they've fostered for centuries, with actual experience with humans that exceeds even T'Mir's. No need for her father to randomly be a Romulan spy.spy.
* Remember that BewareTheNiceOnes speech that Quark gave Nog in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' about how when pushed hard enough, "hoo-mans" can become as dangerous as [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]]? "The Expanse" demonstrates this subtly but effectively, and not just the part where ''Enterprise'' blasts Duras' bird-of-prey to hell. The area where ''Enterprise'' is headed, called the Delphic Expanse, is considered so dangerous and unpredictable that even the Klingons are afraid of it. When ''Enterprise'' is just about to enter the Expanse, Duras' wingmen bug out, and his own crew think he's nuts for wanting to chase ''Enterprise'' in there. Yet our heroes are flying in without a second thought to find the Xindi who attacked Earth. Piss humanity off enough, and they'll charge in where ''Klingons'' fear to tread.
22nd May '16 6:06:02 PM Doorlocks
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* Actually a reaction to a ''Website/SFDebris'' review, but that work's Fridge page is reserved for Chuck's in-universe conclusions. In his review of "Carbon Creek", Chuck tears into Stronn for making StrawVegetarian arguments against killing a deer, then turning around and [[AlienNonInterferenceClause trying to justify leaving humans to die]] because [[WeAreAsMayflies They Are As Mayflies]]. He (Chuck) points out that the deer wouldn't live even as long as a human, so the Vulcans should be justified killing and eating it. But my FridgeBrilliance is that ''Stronn doesn't know that''. He's never seen a deer. For all he knows at the time, that deer could live another two centuries. -- Classified

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* Actually a reaction to a ''Website/SFDebris'' review, but that work's Fridge page is reserved for Chuck's in-universe conclusions. In his review of "Carbon Creek", Chuck tears into Stronn for making StrawVegetarian arguments against killing a deer, then turning around and [[AlienNonInterferenceClause trying to justify leaving humans to die]] because [[WeAreAsMayflies They Are As Mayflies]]. He (Chuck) points out that the deer wouldn't live even as long as a human, so the Vulcans should be justified killing and eating it. But my FridgeBrilliance is that ''Stronn doesn't know that''. He's never seen a deer. For all he knows at the time, that deer could live another two centuries. -- ClassifiedClassified
* Another entry related to "Carbon Creek." I always felt the episode offers a great, organic explanation for why T'Pol has such difficulty controlling her emotions and is so rebellious: her great-grandmother T'Mir. She displays most of the same characteristics that her descendant eventually would, so clearly it's something that runs in the family. This idea was strengthened when we find out that T'Pol's mother T'Les, as a high-ranking Syrranite, is a revolutionary. The female line kept that story alive, and kept that purse preserved, for four Vulcan generations. T'Pol not only had the purse with her on Earth, but took it with her onto Enterprise. She never took a vacation, but she took a pilgrimage to the place where her ancestor made first contact with Earth, violated the Prime Directive in numerous ways, and lied to her superiors. T'Pol combines the mindset she shares with her female family members, the rebellious attitude they've fostered for centuries, with actual experience with humans that exceeds even T'Mir's. No need for her father to randomly be a Romulan spy.
30th Apr '16 3:58:18 PM Chengar
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**** But wouldn't treating Archer's genetic disease go against the "evolutionary predestination" Phlox believes in?
10th Mar '16 3:33:26 AM erforce
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** Well, thanks to [[StarTrekIntoDarkness J J Abrams]], we now know that the monologue is the in-universe "Captain's Oath", meaning all Starfleet captains recite some version of it. Even Sisko ("...Five year mission to kick ass," indeed!). It's very likely the tradition still started with Cochrane and Archer, though.

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** Well, thanks to [[StarTrekIntoDarkness J J [[Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness J.J. Abrams]], we now know that the monologue is the in-universe "Captain's Oath", meaning all Starfleet captains recite some version of it. Even Sisko ("...Five year mission to kick ass," indeed!). It's very likely the tradition still started with Cochrane and Archer, though.
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