History Fridge / StarTrekDeepSpaceNine

10th Feb '17 10:50:57 AM SallyShears
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* Keiko and Sisko's ethnicities in "Cardassians" and "Waltz" respectively. In "Cardassians," Miles O'Brien casually remarks about Cardassians, "Any compassion was bred out of those people a long time ago," to which Keiko angrily replies "That was a very ugly statement!" "I just said--" "I don't have to hear it twice!" Keiko is Japanese. Miles was talking about Cardassians the same way Americans were talking about her country during WWII, demonizing an entire population for the actions of their government. In "Waltz," Sisko shakes with rage while trying to remain diplomatic as Dukat tries to justify Cardassia's occupation of Bajor, ranting about how "inferior" the Bajorans were, and how "grateful" they should have been for the Cardassians' "help." This troper spent the entire scene thinking Sisko was simply channeling the reaction of any sane audience member, and only later remembered "Oh my god, Ben's African American! And he just listened to ''that.''"
15th Jan '17 6:49:29 PM spitfire51
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*In the episode "Children of Time" the colony's Odo [[spoiler:alters the Defiant's computer to prevent the ship from going back in time]]. And four episodes later the Dominion War begins. Had the other Odo not done what he did nobody would've put up the minefield to stop the Dominion from sending convoys through the wormhole, or gotten the Prophets to eliminate the giant Dominion fleet in "Sacrifice of Angels" or any of the other things DS9 officers did to win the war. He may have [[spoiler:caused Gaia to never exist]] but in so doing he inadvertently saved the Alpha Quadrant.
8th Jan '17 8:25:48 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The Loves of Quark. He claims to hold traditional Ferengi values of gender and stuff, but none of the women he has fallen in love matches the ideal of a Ferengi Female. Dax; Grilka, the Klingon woman; Natima Lang, the Cardassian dissident; and Pel, Quark's only Ferengi love interest; are all strong, independent women. [[FreudWasRight Similar to his mother, one might say]]

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* The Loves of Quark. He claims to hold traditional Ferengi values of gender and stuff, but none of the women he has fallen in love matches the ideal of a Ferengi Female. Dax; Grilka, the Klingon woman; Natima Lang, the Cardassian dissident; and Pel, Quark's only Ferengi love interest; are all strong, independent women. [[FreudWasRight Similar to his mother, one might say]]say
24th Dec '16 10:58:47 PM RRWolf
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* Shadow Play, the third mention of the Dominion, involved a colony where everyone and everything in it was a hologram, except the old man who founded it. The holograms had to be shut down to repair the generator, otherwise it was going to fail anyway (and possibly be unrepairable). When it was shut down, literally everything but the old man and his clothes disappeared. Why didn't his clothes disappear? Holographic clothing is perfectly usable; the only reason they shouldn't have disappeared was that he happened to keep a personal replicator and only used clothes created by it. However, the logistics of maintaining that would likely be beyond him considering the isolation of the colony.

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* Shadow Play, the third mention of the Dominion, involved a colony where everyone and everything in it was a hologram, except the old man who founded it. The holograms had to be shut down to repair the generator, otherwise it was going to fail anyway (and possibly be unrepairable). When it was shut down, literally everything but the old man and his clothes disappeared. Why didn't his clothes disappear? Holographic clothing is perfectly usable; the only reason they shouldn't have disappeared was that he happened to keep a personal replicator and only used clothes created by it. However, the logistics of maintaining that would likely be beyond him considering the isolation of the colony.colony.
*Has anyone thought for a second what the life expectancy is for a being that is 300-400 years old and has had nine hosts? Because it isn't very high.
24th Dec '16 8:49:32 AM TheMysteriousTroper
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*** McCoy actually pointed this out in the episode. He stated that the tribbles came from a planet with a predator filled environment that kept them in check. And that the tribbles reproduced the way they did because out-breeding the carnivores was the only way they could survive.

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*** McCoy [=McCoy=] actually pointed this out in the episode. He stated that the tribbles came from a planet with a predator filled environment that kept them in check. And that the tribbles reproduced the way they did because out-breeding the carnivores was the only way they could survive.
9th Dec '16 9:36:02 PM LookielouE1705
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** In the episode in question Sisko questions a Jem'Hadar unit leader's devotion to his men, given his willingness to kill one for a breach of discipline, and the offended leader replies he had served with this second for three years. Long enough in any context, but when you take relative lifespan into account Jem'Hadar serving together for three years is like humans serving together for a decade - much more meaningful.
8th Dec '16 9:36:50 AM Necal
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** Because the cadets are training for an upcoming war. The time for "peaceful exploration" is over.

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** Because the cadets are training for an upcoming war. The time for "peaceful exploration" is over.over.
* Shadow Play, the third mention of the Dominion, involved a colony where everyone and everything in it was a hologram, except the old man who founded it. The holograms had to be shut down to repair the generator, otherwise it was going to fail anyway (and possibly be unrepairable). When it was shut down, literally everything but the old man and his clothes disappeared. Why didn't his clothes disappear? Holographic clothing is perfectly usable; the only reason they shouldn't have disappeared was that he happened to keep a personal replicator and only used clothes created by it. However, the logistics of maintaining that would likely be beyond him considering the isolation of the colony.
8th Dec '16 7:32:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* Sisko is the only Trek captain across the entire franchise to punch Q's lights out. Q avoids [=DS9=] from that point on. As of that episode, we don't know that Sisko [[spoiler: is the progeny of one of the Prophets]]; he's just a Starfleet captain--a {{Badass}} by any reasonable measure but not to the level of physically assaulting an omnipotent being and getting away with it. His status as Emissary derives from the Prophets communicating with him, but doesn't confer any special powers beyond political and religious clout amongst the Bajorans. [[spoiler: At least, not yet. Perhaps Q knew of Sisko's true relationship to the Prophets--who certainly would be in the same league as Q, or close to it--before Sisko himself did?]]

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* Sisko is the only Trek captain across the entire franchise to punch Q's lights out. Q avoids [=DS9=] from that point on. As of that episode, we don't know that Sisko [[spoiler: is the progeny of one of the Prophets]]; he's just a Starfleet captain--a {{Badass}} badass by any reasonable measure but not to the level of physically assaulting an omnipotent being and getting away with it. His status as Emissary derives from the Prophets communicating with him, but doesn't confer any special powers beyond political and religious clout amongst the Bajorans. [[spoiler: At least, not yet. Perhaps Q knew of Sisko's true relationship to the Prophets--who certainly would be in the same league as Q, or close to it--before Sisko himself did?]]
27th Oct '16 9:43:21 AM SallyShears
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* The Bajorans. No matter how much the Prophets visited Bajor for how long, and no matter how much their population dwindled due to the Occupation, there's just no way an entire ''species'' belongs to the same religion, or its counter-cultures (the religion of the Pah Wraiths and Ro's atheism came about in response to the Prophet religion). There have to be other belief systems and cultures on Bajor, however small...and they're all living under a theocracy run by the Prophet worshipers. Maybe not FridgeHorror per se, but at least "Fride-Not-As-Great-As-It-Seems." Consider how many Bajorans we see in Starfleet, the Maquis, or random colonies who ''don't'' wear the earring or mention Prophets. Put two and two together. Many off-world Bajorans are likely Bajorans who either belong to minority religions, or who practice different denominations of the main one, and left Bajor due to some amount of religious persecution.
** Before anyone says it, yes, Starfleet bans jewelry on the job; but we don't see [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Wesley Crusher's]] Bajoran classmate or any of the Bajorans on [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]] wearing earrings off-work either.
** Obviously that doens't mean they don't follow the religion of the Prophets, not every religious person will flaunt their religion. But the lack of earrings and Prophet mentions cff Bajor certainly opens the door to a lot of other possibilities.
** And even for those who do wear the earring or exclaim "thank the Prophets!", Jewish humans may exclaim "Jesus Christ!" when shocked, and minority cultures usually take on some of the fashion and customs of the dominant one. Memory Alpha also states that the Bajoran earring is as much a symbol of Bajoran planetary pride and defiance against Cardassians as it is a religious symbol. (Think of when the U.S. inserted "Under God" into the Pledge during the 1950s to distinguish it from the Communists.)
*** Long story short, evidence and common sense suggests that ''some amount'' of Bajorans we see do not follow the beliefs that Kai Winn preaches, and that to some extent or another, that sucks for them.
26th Oct '16 5:43:23 AM Nakuyabi
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** This is also quite the plot point for "In The Pale Moonlight" if you think about it. Note that when Sisko first comes to Garak asking him to help him get his hands on proof that the Dominion is planning a sneak attack on the Romulans, Garak doesn't question the ''existence'' of any such war plans, only the feasibility of obtaining them. That's because he ''knows'' those plans exist, thanks to what the female changeling told him. This surely made his (first) backup plan to feed a forgery of those records to Vreenak that much easier to justify to Sisko as well: "fake but accurate" could never have been a more applicable description, even if their forgery was only an imprecise approximation of what took place at the ''actual'' meeting.
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