History Fridge / PlanescapeTorment

7th Jun '18 10:27:35 AM Kazeto
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* If Dak'kon dies in the [[spoiler:Fortress of Regrets]] and is then revived when [[spoiler:The Nameless One merges with The Transcendent One]], then Dak'kon says that he paid back his debt to TNO by dying in his attempt to protect him. But wait... [[GameplayAndStorySegregation doesn't that mean that his debt should be paid back any time Dak'kon dies and is then revived while in the party?]]

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* If Dak'kon dies in the [[spoiler:Fortress of Regrets]] and is then revived when [[spoiler:The Nameless One merges with The Transcendent One]], then Dak'kon says that he paid back his debt to TNO by dying in his attempt to protect him. But wait... [[GameplayAndStorySegregation doesn't that mean that his debt should be paid back any time Dak'kon dies and is then revived while in the party?]]party?]]
** Kind of but not really. Normal death is something that can get dealt with by a mere priest, or alternatively by The Nameless One, and you just need that someone to be there to cast it. Think of it this way: being dead in that universe ultimately only means that your physical vessel is destroyed, but until your soul departs you can get better, so it's basically nothing more than a specific critical injury. In the spoiler place it is different, because there they would not normally get resurrected and it takes The Nameless One, with the skills and power he has from [[spoiler:being a physical god]] and with the realisation that this is the case, to be able to bring them back. There is proof of this in the existence of Vhailor, which is tied to the soul being more important than the body.
21st May '18 2:09:38 AM ZuTheSkunk
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* The entire game is about cruelty and abuse, and the potential cyclical nature of these. Notably, we never find out what the Nameless One did to damn himself initially, but we see reflections of his horrors in many [=NPCs=] and party members.

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* The entire game is about cruelty and abuse, and the potential cyclical nature of these. Notably, we never find out what the Nameless One did to damn himself initially, but we see reflections of his horrors in many [=NPCs=] and party members.members.

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* If Dak'kon dies in the [[spoiler:Fortress of Regrets]] and is then revived when [[spoiler:The Nameless One merges with The Transcendent One]], then Dak'kon says that he paid back his debt to TNO by dying in his attempt to protect him. But wait... [[GameplayAndStorySegregation doesn't that mean that his debt should be paid back any time Dak'kon dies and is then revived while in the party?]]
8th Nov '17 9:33:23 PM immortalfrieza
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*** Add to this, the Nameless One is probably so powerful by now that he's not only a PhysicalGod by this point, but one of the strongest Physical Gods in existence. If the Nameless One really wanted to he very likely could [[HellHasNewManagement take over Hell and rule it to end or prevent his suffering,]] or [[EscapedFromHell just escape it outright.]]




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* Whatever The First Incarnation did that made him completely irredeemable that '''reality itself''' decided it was unforgivable. Remember in the Planes belief itself forms reality. In actuality, reality didn't care about the crime any more than it cares about anything else, the ''First Incarnation'' did. His guilt was so extreme over his crime that he believed his crime was unforgivable strongly enough that reality itself changed to accommodate that and thus stated that it was unforgivable. The opposite is also true, if at any point the First Incarnation or any of his future incarnations believed strongly enough that that the crime wasn't so bad or that he had paid enough penance, then he wouldn't have gone to hell at the end of the game. In other words, the Nameless One's hell is entirely self inflicted.
6th Oct '17 10:32:55 PM jormis29
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*** Icosahedron. A dodecahedron would be a d12, so [[Webcomic/{{TheOrderOfTheStick}} apparently one of The Nameless One's former incarnations was a 3rd Edition barbarian]]?
* An unwritten rule in ''TabletopGames/{{Planescape}}'' is that [[TheDreaded the Lady of Pain]] [[LordBritishPostulate has no stats. Ever.]] How did ''Torment'' convey this? By having her only appear in FMV cutscenes, where the developers would never have to stat her, even to tag her as invincible or something similar.

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*** Icosahedron. A dodecahedron would be a d12, so [[Webcomic/{{TheOrderOfTheStick}} [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick apparently one of The Nameless One's former incarnations was a 3rd Edition barbarian]]?
* An unwritten rule in ''TabletopGames/{{Planescape}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' is that [[TheDreaded the Lady of Pain]] [[LordBritishPostulate has no stats. Ever.]] How did ''Torment'' convey this? By having her only appear in FMV cutscenes, where the developers would never have to stat her, even to tag her as invincible or something similar.
30th Sep '17 2:17:38 PM Poopsi
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* The real answer to the riddle "What can change the nature of a man?" [[spoiler:belief]] is actually being hammered over and over from minute one in the game. [[spoiler:Even the text in the back of the game box said as much. "This is a place where the word is mightier than the sword, where thought defines reality, and belief has the power to reshape worlds."]]
30th May '17 12:39:10 PM kensu
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* Pay very close attention to what the Paranoid Incarnation says about the Fortress of Regrets and the Transcendent One. It will become obvious that he doesn't realize that the Paranoid Incarnation is his own mortality; in fact he doesn't seem to have any indication that they're related. The only reason he's after The Transcendent One is because he's been trying to kill The Nameless One by proxy. This makes sense since the Last Incarnation was the only one that found Ravel, (and the portable portal generator was commissioned more than a 100 years before the time of the game, which means it was done before the Practical Incarnation's time). It's rather ironic that the smartest of your previous incarnations could find his way into the Fortress of Regrets, but didn't realize that its master was the key to everything.

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* Pay very close attention to what the Paranoid Incarnation says about the Fortress of Regrets and the Transcendent One. It will become obvious that he doesn't realize that the Paranoid Incarnation Transcendent One is his own mortality; in fact he doesn't seem to have any indication that they're related. The only reason he's after The Transcendent One is because he's been trying to kill The Nameless One by proxy. This makes sense since the Last Incarnation was the only one that found Ravel, (and the portable portal generator was commissioned more than a 100 years before the time of the game, which means it was done before the Practical Incarnation's time). It's rather ironic that the smartest of your previous incarnations could find his way into the Fortress of Regrets, but didn't realize that its master was the key to everything.
30th May '17 12:37:29 PM kensu
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* Pay very close attention to what the Paranoid Incarnation says about the Fortress of Regrets and the Transcendent One. It will become obvious that he doesn't realize that the Paranoid Incarnation is his own mortality; in fact he doesn't seem to have any indication that they're related. The only reason he's after The Transcendent One is because he's been trying to kill The Nameless One by proxy. This makes sense since the Last Incarnation was the only one that found Ravel, (and the portable portal generator was commissioned more than a 100 years before the time of the game, which means it was done before the Practical Incarnation's time). It's rather ironic that the smartest of your previous incarnations could find his way into the Fortress of Regrets, but didn't realize that its master was the key to everything.
6th Apr '17 7:34:46 PM nombretomado
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* In ''PlanescapeTorment'', there is a dialog between the Nameless One and Fall-From-Grace in which Grace, who was a slave of the mortal enemies of her people for an untold number of years, states that the lusts of the baatzu lie in "power, not the flesh." While at first this seems to indicate that she was not raped or used sexually, the horror strikes when one realizes that the main motive of rapists is that of power. It's just as likely Grace was confirming the exact opposite of what her word seem to mean.

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* In ''PlanescapeTorment'', there There is a dialog between the Nameless One and Fall-From-Grace in which Grace, who was a slave of the mortal enemies of her people for an untold number of years, states that the lusts of the baatzu lie in "power, not the flesh." While at first this seems to indicate that she was not raped or used sexually, the horror strikes when one realizes that the main motive of rapists is that of power. It's just as likely Grace was confirming the exact opposite of what her word seem to mean.
11th Mar '17 5:20:24 AM Aquillion
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* The frequency with which the Nameless One updates his journal (with the "updated my journal" sound) has undergone MemeticMutation and become a bit of a running gag among the fanbase. But consider it from his perspective: He wakes up with no memories, and a huge chunk of the game is spent trying to find journals from your past lives. Naturally he's going to be obsessive about keeping an up-to-date one himself, since (at least early on) he has no idea if he's about to lose all his memories again at any given moment.
10th Dec '16 8:30:36 PM BattleMaster
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* Mebbeth the healer just happens to have some quests to send you on if you ask her for training in the use of magic, including picking up some laundry that was dropped off ''years'' ago. Seems like ContrivedCoincidence until you learn [[spoiler: that she's an avatar of Ravel. Then it makes sense: Ravel deliberately set things up to aid you]].
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