History Fridge / OzTheGreatAndPowerful

25th Mar '16 8:01:03 PM Sharlee
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*** Would ''you'' have wanted to believe that your surest way of getting home was to go murder yet another witch, if ''you'' were Dorothy?
25th Mar '16 7:51:10 PM Sharlee
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** Indeed, he does a pretty good job of posing as an Emerald City guard in ''this'' film, albeit briefly. Looks like he'll have had plenty of practice at that by the time Dorothy shows up.
13th May '15 1:29:36 PM Narsil
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* Some people think Glinda telling Dorothy in the original film "only bad witches are ugly" ''right'' after asking if she was a witch was a little catty. But really, she just knows personally that some witches [[spoiler: like Evanora]] look beautiful but have wicked hearts.

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* Some people think Glinda telling Dorothy in the original film "only bad witches are ugly" ''right'' after asking if she was whether Dorothy is a "good witch or a bad witch" was a little catty. But really, she just knows personally that some witches [[spoiler: like Evanora]] look beautiful but have wicked hearts.
10th Feb '15 5:05:48 AM 4power4
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* Finley owes a life debt to Oz because he saves his life but everyone who read or saw The Wizard Of Oz knows the Wizard doesn't have a monkey servant. Then it hit me: Oz didn't save Finley. Technically... Theodora did (by urging Oz to do something when he possibly would have done nothing). And if Finley finds that out, he is bound to serve Theodora. Why is this Fridge Brilliance? Look at the baboon type monkeys we see in this [[http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130310185046/disney/images/e/e8/Winged-baboon-disney-s-oz-the-great-and-powerful.jpg film.]] Now look at the monkeys we see in the 1939 film, particularly the single monkey the witch seems to almost always be talking [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvra78JrqOk/U7n16DUIEaI/AAAAAAAAMTI/b4tEPk5gw5g/s1600/wizard_of_oz_1188_flying_monkey_and_toto.jpg to.]] It looks an awful lot like Finley.
19th Nov '14 4:12:20 AM snowviolet
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* Some people think Glinda telling Dorothy in the original film "only bad witches are ugly" ''right'' after asking if she was a witch was a little catty. But really, she just knows personally that some witches [[spoiler: like Evanora]] look beautiful but have wicked hearts.
7th Sep '14 1:10:37 PM blueranger
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* Why is the apple that [[spoiler: turns Theodora evil]] green (besides [[spoiler: The Wicked Witch's skin]]). Green apples are known for their bitterness.
26th Jul '14 11:37:50 PM Luigifan
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* The [[http://images.wikia.com/oz/images/6/6b/Oz4.jpg poster]] [[spoiler: Evanora]] shows a tornado in the background, foreshadowing the final fate of the Wicked Witch of the East.

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* The [[http://images.wikia.com/oz/images/6/6b/Oz4.jpg poster]] [[spoiler: Evanora]] [[spoiler:Evanora]] shows a tornado in the background, foreshadowing the final fate of the Wicked Witch of the East.



* The Wicked Witch of the West, [[spoiler: Theodora]], has a noticeably more exaggerated disfigurement from her wickedness than her sister, the Wicked Witch of the East, yet still retains enough sexiness to arguably qualify as a HotWitch, while her sister looks like an old rotting crone. She's also far more ChaoticEvil than her sister, with major AxeCrazy issues. Makes sense when you realize West was artificially made 100% Wicked, so she's literally experiencing ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil and her leftover beauty compared to her sister is likely the result of her sister having a more natural wickedness.
* [[spoiler: Evanora]]'s emerald amulet is destroyed by [[spoiler: Glinda]], leaving her powerless unless she acquires a new magical trinket to restore her witch-powers. [[spoiler: Theodora's]] enchanted trinket is a ruby ring, and she wouldn't want her only real ally to remain helpless, even if it meant lending out a fraction of her own magic. Guess we know where the ruby slippers came from now, and why [[spoiler: Theodora]] was so determined to reclaim them!

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* The Wicked Witch of the West, [[spoiler: Theodora]], [[spoiler:Theodora]], has a noticeably more exaggerated disfigurement from her wickedness than her sister, the Wicked Witch of the East, yet still retains enough sexiness to arguably qualify as a HotWitch, while her sister looks like an old rotting crone. She's also far more ChaoticEvil than her sister, with major AxeCrazy issues. Makes sense when you realize West was artificially made 100% Wicked, so she's literally experiencing ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil and her leftover beauty compared to her sister is likely the result of her sister having a more natural wickedness.
* [[spoiler: Evanora]]'s [[spoiler:Evanora]]'s emerald amulet is destroyed by [[spoiler: Glinda]], [[spoiler:Glinda]], leaving her powerless unless she acquires a new magical trinket to restore her witch-powers. [[spoiler: Theodora's]] [[spoiler:Theodora's]] enchanted trinket is a ruby ring, and she wouldn't want her only real ally to remain helpless, even if it meant lending out a fraction of her own magic. Guess we know where the ruby slippers came from now, and why [[spoiler: Theodora]] [[spoiler:Theodora]] was so determined to reclaim them!



** The fact that her amulet got snatched might also explain why the slippers were made so difficult to remove from a living wearer. Neither Wicked Witch would want [[spoiler: Evanora]]'s power to be taken from her again.
* The Wicked Witch of the West first appears in Quadling Country in a descending fiery blast that destroys a swirling origin-point of the Yellow Brick Road. Disney couldn't get the rights to the ''exact'' pattern of bricks used in the [=MGM=] movie, but by setting this part of the movie in Quadling Country instead, they accounted for the difference: different country, different style to the swirls..
* Glinda in the 1939 film seems far too [[IncorruptiblePurePureness sugary-sweet]] to be [[spoiler: a LoveInterest for Oscar]], but [[spoiler: this one not only managed to see through his facade, but was willing to play along with it for the sake of Oz's people]]. Moreover, her admission to Evanora that [[spoiler: "bubbles are just for show"]] reveals that she ''already had'' her own streak of duplicitous showmanship, even before she grew desperate enough to work with a fake "Wizard" - quite in character for the Glinda of the books, and not such a bad match, after all!
* Thinking back to Oscar's performance at the carnival -- specifically, how he suckered the crowd by cutting the easily-spotted wires -- it's no longer as surprising that his [[spoiler: FakingTheDead]] stunt cropped up at the end. Oscar doesn't just use ''one'' ploy to gull his audience, he uses a feebler one to lay the groundwork for his ''real'' trick.

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** The fact that her amulet got snatched might also explain why the slippers were made so difficult to remove from a living wearer. Neither Wicked Witch would want [[spoiler: Evanora]]'s [[spoiler:Evanora]]'s power to be taken from her again.
* The Wicked Witch of the West first appears in Quadling Country in a descending fiery blast that destroys a swirling origin-point of the Yellow Brick Road. Disney couldn't get the rights to the ''exact'' pattern of bricks used in the [=MGM=] movie, but by setting this part of the movie in Quadling Country instead, they accounted for the difference: different country, different style to the swirls..
swirls.
* Glinda in the 1939 film seems far too [[IncorruptiblePurePureness sugary-sweet]] to be [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a LoveInterest for Oscar]], but [[spoiler: this [[spoiler:this one not only managed to see through his facade, but was willing to play along with it for the sake of Oz's people]]. Moreover, her admission to Evanora that [[spoiler: "bubbles [[spoiler:"bubbles are just for show"]] reveals that she ''already had'' her own streak of duplicitous showmanship, even before she grew desperate enough to work with a fake "Wizard" - quite -quite in character for the Glinda of the books, and not such a bad match, after all!
* Thinking back to Oscar's performance at the carnival -- specifically, how he suckered the crowd by cutting the easily-spotted wires -- it's no longer as surprising that his [[spoiler: FakingTheDead]] [[spoiler:FakingTheDead]] stunt cropped up at the end. Oscar doesn't just use ''one'' ploy to gull his audience, he uses a feebler one to lay the groundwork for his ''real'' trick.



* The Wizard's power in the 1939 movie is to inspire--well, bully and bamboozle--Dorothy and her companions to take on a task they think is beyond them. That's the same skill Oz uses in the prequel.
* In the "Horse of a Different Color" scene, the guard who lets Dorothy and company is the same person who played The Wizard. Here, you can see that he faked his own death and shows up in Emerald City guard garb. Since he can't appear as a living Oz, this is the way he lives from now on, undercover.

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* The Wizard's power in the 1939 movie is to inspire--well, inspire -- well, bully and bamboozle--Dorothy bamboozle -- Dorothy and her companions to take on a task they think is beyond them. That's the same skill Oz uses in the prequel.
* In the "Horse of a Different Color" scene, the guard who lets Dorothy and company in is the same person who played The Wizard. Here, you can see that he faked his own death and shows up in Emerald City guard garb. Since he can't appear as a living Oz, this is the way he lives from now on, undercover.



* Theodora is fearful of the river fairies, like the one that spits water in Oscar's face. Once you realize that she's [[spoiler: the future Wicked Witch of the West, hence injured by water]], this fear makes perfect sense.
** And a possible explanation for WHY she [[spoiler: fears water is that she seems to be PlayingWithFire (throwing fireballs and breaking through Glinda's barrier in the form of a burning comet), so it makes sense that her ElementalPowers give her the same weakness. Water beats Fire.]]

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* Theodora is fearful of the river fairies, like the one that spits water in Oscar's face. Once you realize that she's [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the future Wicked Witch of the West, hence injured by water]], this fear makes perfect sense.
** And a possible explanation for WHY ''why'' she [[spoiler: fears [[spoiler:fears water is that she seems to be PlayingWithFire (throwing fireballs and breaking through Glinda's barrier in the form of a burning comet), so it makes sense that her ElementalPowers give her the same weakness. Water beats Fire.]]



* All major characters in Oz appear to have a Kansas counterpart. While Mila Kunis only acts as Theodora, the girl Oz flirts with and later abandons corresponds with her. That only leaves Evanora without a distinct Kansas counterpart, but then you realize, Oscar was Evanora's Earth counterpart! Both are [[spoiler: coy about betraying those closest to them, are arrogant, share the same motivations, are great con artists, and while Oz is the main hero of the movie, Evanora is its main villain. And while oz redeems, he only does so in Oz, so in Kansas he's just as immoral as Evanora, just with less power.]] Stylistically, this also works, as the characters have a darker, more subdued color scheme than the other characters, and seem out of place vocally (James Franco speaks in a very modern and "normal" way, unlike the other characters, while Evanora has a British accent.
* A lot of people wonder that, due to Theodora now knowing everything upon [[spoiler: becoming evil, why she wouldn't kill Evanora for what she did to her? But punishing Evanora would've been the right thing to do, and since Theodora has been made 100% wicked on account of Evanora, she cannot punish her because that would be a good thing to do!]].
* In the book when Dorothy and friends come into the China Town, any residents that get broken have to be mended. This doesn't seem to be the case in this film...until Oz glues the China Girl's legs back on. Presumably Glinda eventually helps repopulate the China Town and the girl introduces the concept of mending.

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* All major characters in Oz appear to have a Kansas counterpart. While Mila Kunis only acts as Theodora, the girl Oz flirts with and later abandons corresponds with her. That only leaves Evanora without a distinct Kansas counterpart, but then you realize, Oscar was Evanora's Earth counterpart! Both are [[spoiler: coy [[spoiler:coy about betraying those closest to them, are arrogant, share the same motivations, are great con artists, and while Oz is the main hero of the movie, Evanora is its main villain. And while oz redeems, Oz redeems himself, he only does so in Oz, so in Kansas he's just as immoral as Evanora, just with less power.]] Stylistically, this also works, as the characters have a darker, more subdued color scheme than the other characters, and seem out of place vocally (James Franco speaks in a very modern and "normal" way, unlike the other characters, while Evanora has a British accent.
accent).
* A lot of people wonder that, due to Theodora now knowing everything upon [[spoiler: becoming [[spoiler:becoming evil, why she wouldn't kill Evanora for what she did to her? But punishing Evanora would've been the right thing to do, and since Theodora has been made 100% wicked on account of Evanora, she cannot punish her because that would be a good thing to do!]].
* In the book book, when Dorothy and friends come into the China Town, any residents that get broken have to be mended. This doesn't seem to be the case in this film... until Oz glues the China Girl's legs back on. Presumably Glinda eventually helps repopulate the China Town and the girl introduces the concept of mending.



** Not only that but given the fact that generations have feared the Wicked Witch when they were children they now know that [[spoiler:Theodora being feared [[{{Humans are the real monsters}} is the one thing she was always afraid of.]] ]]
** Given that it'll be at least two decades before Dorothy comes calling, [[spoiler: Theodora's]] probably going to have plenty of time to prove she doesn't ''want'' redemption between this film and the next. Possibly she'll have done so many awful things by then that restoring her human heart -- and the capacity to feel regret that comes with having one -- would no longer be a kindness.

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** Not only that that, but given the fact that generations have feared the Wicked Witch when they were children children, they now know that [[spoiler:Theodora being feared [[{{Humans are the real monsters}} [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters is the one thing she was always afraid of.]] of]].]]
** Given that it'll be at least two decades before Dorothy comes calling, [[spoiler: Theodora's]] [[spoiler:Theodora's]] probably going to have plenty of time to prove she doesn't ''want'' redemption between this film and the next. Possibly she'll have done so many awful things by then that restoring her human heart -- and the capacity to feel regret that comes with having one -- would no longer be a kindness.



* [[spoiler: When Theodora cried after her sister lied to her about Oz, her face burned from her tears. Makes sense since she's a fire witch. Cue twenty odd years later, no wonder Dorothy's bucket of water worked so well against the Wicked Witch of the West.]]
** [[spoiler: Her [[FaceHeelTurn turn to darkness]] may come off as [[{{Narm}} narmish]] when you only look at the surface but think about it, feeling pain and sadness ''literally'' causes her physical pain. She was fighting against her nature and then her sister gave her an out that would cause her never to feel the emotions that hurt her.]]

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* [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When Theodora cried after her sister lied to her about Oz, her face burned from her tears. Makes sense since she's a fire witch. Cue twenty odd years later, no wonder Dorothy's bucket of water worked so well against the Wicked Witch of the West.]]
** [[spoiler: Her [[spoiler:Her [[FaceHeelTurn turn to darkness]] may come off as [[{{Narm}} narmish]] when you only look at the surface surface, but think about it, it; feeling pain and sadness ''literally'' causes her physical pain. She was fighting against her nature nature, and then her sister gave her an out that would cause her never to feel the emotions that hurt her.]]



* The somewhat different canon of the movie leads to its own brand of Fridge Horror: in (one of) the canon histories of Oz, four Wicked Witches divided up the land after the death of the King. Before the Wizard arrived, two were defeated: one by Glinda in the South, one by Tattypoo, the Good Witch of the North (think a female version of [[Literature/TheHobbit Radagast the Brown]]). The Witch of the North is entirely written out of the movie, which leaves Glinda trying to fight two Wicked Witches ''alone.'' It's no wonder [[spoiler: she didn't care whether the Wizard was a humbug or not!]]

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* The somewhat different canon of the movie leads to its own brand of Fridge Horror: in (one of) the canon histories of Oz, four Wicked Witches divided up the land after the death of the King. Before the Wizard arrived, two were defeated: one by Glinda in the South, one by Tattypoo, the Good Witch of the North (think a female version of [[Literature/TheHobbit Radagast the Brown]]). The Witch of the North is entirely written out of the movie, which leaves Glinda trying to fight two Wicked Witches ''alone.'' It's no wonder [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she didn't care whether the Wizard was a humbug or not!]]



* Oscar once flirted with a [[spoiler: young [[Film/TheWizardOfOz Almira Gulch]] ]]. Think about that...

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* Oscar once flirted with a [[spoiler: young [[spoiler:young [[Film/TheWizardOfOz Almira Gulch]] ]].Gulch]]]]. Think about that...



*** [[spoiler: Miss Gulch actually turns into the Wicked Witch of the ''East'', so if these two movies share a canon, her counterpart is actually Evanora.]]
*** [[spoiler: No, Elmira and the WWW were played by the same actress with similar personalities, so Elmira in this film would have to be Theordora as well.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Miss [[spoiler:Miss Gulch actually turns into the Wicked Witch of the ''East'', so if these two movies share a canon, her counterpart is actually Evanora.]]
*** [[spoiler: No, Elmira [[spoiler:No, Almira and the WWW were played by the same actress with similar personalities, so Elmira Almira in this film would have to be Theordora as well.]]



*** Well why didn't Glinda says o instead of the "she wouldn't have believed me" horsehockey?
** It might not be horsehocky though, it's possible Dorothy could only use the slippers full power after learning her life-lesson because self discovery is the only way to become the true master of the ruby slippers. Though that's more fridge brilliance.
* In the beginning of the movie we see that there are people in Kansas who really care about Oscar. As far as they now know he died a horrible death being sucked into a tornado.

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*** Well Well, why didn't Glinda says o say so instead of the "she wouldn't have believed me" horsehockey?
** It might not be horsehocky though, horsehocky, though; it's possible Dorothy could only use the slippers slippers' full power after learning her life-lesson because self discovery self-discovery is the only way to become the true master of the ruby slippers. Though that's more fridge brilliance.
* In the beginning of the movie we see that there are people in Kansas who really care about Oscar. As far as they now know know, he died a horrible death being sucked into a tornado.
26th Jul '14 10:58:19 PM firejewel
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** actually, Glinda doesn't tell Dorothy that the wizard has any powers, Dorothy surmises that on her own. What Glinda tells her is that the wizard might know how to get her home, and he DOES know a way to get her home. Glinda knew he might because he is from Kansas and got to Oz the way Dorothy did. Still doesn't solve the problem of her not telling Dorothy the ruby slippers could get her home though.

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** actually, Actually, Glinda doesn't tell Dorothy that the wizard has any powers, Dorothy surmises that on her own. What Glinda tells her is that the wizard might know how to get her home, and he DOES know a way to get her home. Glinda knew he might because he is from Kansas and got to Oz the way Dorothy did. Still doesn't solve the problem of her not telling Dorothy the ruby slippers could get her home though.


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** It might not be horsehocky though, it's possible Dorothy could only use the slippers full power after learning her life-lesson because self discovery is the only way to become the true master of the ruby slippers. Though that's more fridge brilliance.
12th Apr '14 12:35:03 PM blueranger
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* In the book when Dorothy and friends come into the China Town, any residents that get broken have to be mended. This doesn't seem to be the case in this film...until Oz glues the China Girl's legs back on. Presumably Glinda eventually helps repopulate the China Town and the girl introduces the concept of mending.
1st Feb '14 5:40:46 PM SharleeD
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** Alternately, given that the Guard, Coachman, and Herald are all played by the same actor as the 1939 Wizard, it could be that they're all the same man making quick costume-and-wig changes. Oscar's stage experience would have trained him for such quick changes, so he may have spent many of the intervening years passing himself off as some of "Oz the Great and Powerful's" humble guards and servants.

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** Alternately, given that the Guard, Coachman, and Herald are all played by the same actor as the 1939 Wizard, it could be that they're all the same man making quick costume-and-wig changes. Oscar's stage experience would have trained him for such quick changes, so he may have spent many of the intervening years passing himself off as some of "Oz the Great and Powerful's" humble guards and servants.




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** That could lay the groundwork for a very, ''very'' long-in-coming reconciliation of one of the 1939 film's dangling threads: did Toto get put down on Ms. Gulch's say-so? If Oscar successfully makes it back to Kansas in his balloon, he could re-unite with Elmira and either deflect her ire away from Toto (and onto him) for disappearing for so long and leaving her to grieve, or else undertake a genuine DecemberDecemberRomance with the woman he'd previously exploited, having learned his lesson after Theodora's fall. Either way, she'll have more important things than a spiteful vendetta against a terrier to be concerned with.
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