History Fridge / OnePiece

19th Aug '17 12:11:38 AM NaraNumas
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** Also, Big Mom's a pretty big backstabber and opportunist, when something comes along that she wants she'll do what she can to get as much of it as possible, so a fragment of her soul would be just as disloyal and prone to jumping ship for a little bit of hedonistic pleasure.
16th Aug '17 9:39:11 PM VulgarBee
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* Though the manga doesn't really show Ace doing anything terrible, he somehow has one of the highest bounties shown in the whole series, the highest being [[spoiler: Charlotte Katakuri at 1,057,000,000]] At 550,000,000 there must have been another reason for the Government to want him dead. Perhaps its because he's the son of [[spoiler:Gold Roger?]] Sengoku at least knew who Ace's father was, and the whole reason Marineford happened was because the Marines wanted to wipe out [[spoiler:Roger's]] legacy. However, as the higher bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that Ace was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG didn't know much about Ace before his capture.

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* Though the manga doesn't really show Ace doing anything terrible, he somehow has one of the highest bounties shown in the whole series, the highest being [[spoiler: Charlotte Katakuri at 1,057,000,000]] 1,057,000,000]]. At 550,000,000 there must have been another reason for the Government to want him dead. Perhaps its it's because he's the son of [[spoiler:Gold Roger?]] Roger]]? Sengoku at least knew who Ace's father was, and the whole reason Marineford happened was because the Marines wanted to wipe out [[spoiler:Roger's]] [[spoiler:Roger]]'s legacy. However, as the higher bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that Ace was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG World Government didn't know much about Ace before his capture.
16th Aug '17 12:27:23 PM Maj_Spoiler
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* Though the manga doesn't really show Ace doing anything terrible, he somehow has the fourth or fifth highest bounty shown in the whole series. behind Don Chinjao over 500,000,000, [[spoiler: Charlotte Cracker at 860,000,000[[note]]His bounty poster is a fake, so his potential bounty is very much higher[[/note]], Charlotte Smoothie at 932,000,000 and Jack the Drought at 1,000,000,000]] At 550,000,000 there must have been another reason for the Government to want him dead. Perhaps its because he's the son of [[spoiler:Gold Roger?]] Sengoku at least knew who Ace's father was, and the whole reason Marinford happened was because the Marines wanted to wipe out [[spoiler:Roger's]] legacy.
** Subverted, possibly. As these bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that Ace was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG didn't know much about Ace before his capture.
* Of course devil fruits would taste like crap! If fruit isn't eaten right away [[CaptainObvious it rots]]. People are usually reluctant to eat devil fruits for a [[MoneyDearBoy variety]] [[SuperDrowningSkills of reasons]], and the fruits we've seen have all been pulled out of chests, where they've been for who knows how long. The only fruit which age we know for certain is [[spoiler: the mera mera no mi that Sabo ate after it's been laying around for two years]]! We've yet to see anyone consume a devil fruit we can safely assume to be fresh.
* So far, the lore behind Devil Fruits is that they were enchanted by the Sea Devil. Taking the Door-Door and Dice-Dice fruits into account (According to Mr. 1, it turns the user's body into iron blades) the newest fruits are from the Iron Age at the latest, around 1200 BC, and were enchanted well within the history of human beings. The oldest ones could have been enchanted as far back as the origin of amphibians and reptiles. Any and every fruit would have millennia and millennia to rot, so some unnatural curse or spell would be the only thing keeping them from decomposing completely. No Devil Fruit in the world could possibly be fresh. Even if the enchanter took his time, they were most definitely all cursed before the Great Pirate Era, which is especially apparent due to the fact that animals can eat them as well. Naturally. a Devil Fruit would taste like thousands-or-millions-of-years-old dirt with some vitamins and minerals mixed in, not to mention the texture. So no Devil Fruit will ever taste at all tolerable until the source of Devil Fruits continues to make them. Given their rarity, it's unlikely it's been making them constantly.

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* Though the manga doesn't really show Ace doing anything terrible, he somehow has one of the fourth or fifth highest bounty bounties shown in the whole series. behind Don Chinjao over 500,000,000, series, the highest being [[spoiler: Charlotte Cracker Katakuri at 860,000,000[[note]]His bounty poster is a fake, so his potential bounty is very much higher[[/note]], Charlotte Smoothie at 932,000,000 and Jack the Drought at 1,000,000,000]] 1,057,000,000]] At 550,000,000 there must have been another reason for the Government to want him dead. Perhaps its because he's the son of [[spoiler:Gold Roger?]] Sengoku at least knew who Ace's father was, and the whole reason Marinford Marineford happened was because the Marines wanted to wipe out [[spoiler:Roger's]] legacy.
** Subverted, possibly. As these
legacy. However, as the higher bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that Ace was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG didn't know much about Ace before his capture.
* Of course devil fruits would taste like crap! If fruit isn't eaten right away [[CaptainObvious it rots]]. People are usually reluctant to eat devil fruits for a [[MoneyDearBoy variety]] [[SuperDrowningSkills of reasons]], and the fruits we've seen have all been pulled out of chests, where they've been for who knows how long. The only fruit which age we know for certain is [[spoiler: the mera mera Mera Mera no mi that Sabo ate after it's been laying around for two years]]! We've yet to see anyone consume a devil fruit we can safely assume to be fresh.
* So far, the lore behind Devil Fruits is that they were enchanted by the Sea Devil. Taking the Door-Door and Dice-Dice fruits into account (According to Mr. 1, it turns the user's body into iron blades) the newest fruits are from the Iron Age at the latest, around 1200 BC, and were enchanted well within the history of human beings. The oldest ones could have been enchanted as far back as the origin of amphibians and reptiles. Any and every fruit would have millennia and millennia to rot, so some unnatural curse or spell would be the only thing keeping them from decomposing completely. No Devil Fruit in the world could possibly be fresh. Even if the enchanter took his time, they were most definitely all cursed before the Great Pirate Era, which is especially apparent due to the fact that animals can eat them as well. Naturally. Naturally, a Devil Fruit would taste like thousands-or-millions-of-years-old dirt with some vitamins and minerals mixed in, not to mention the texture. So no Devil Fruit will ever taste at all tolerable until the source of Devil Fruits continues to make them. Given their rarity, it's unlikely it's been making them constantly.



* While Usopp momentarily running away from the fight with Trebol could be seen as CharacterDerailment, Oda has an excuse for it. He didn't lose his nerve until Robin was turned into a toy, and like all the other toys, all memories involving her existence were forgotten. In other words, Usopp lost his memories of the brave things he did on Enies Lobby to save her, returning him to his pre-CharacterDevelopment state.

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* While Usopp momentarily running away from the fight with Trebol could be seen as CharacterDerailment, Oda has an excuse for it. He didn't lose his nerve until Robin was turned into a toy, toy. The Hobby-Hobby fruit {{Retcon}}s its victims' existence; meaning that, in Usopp's mind, Enies Lobby never happened (they had no reason to go there without Robin) and like all he never defeated Perona in Thriller Back (remember how he asked for help before turning the other toys, all memories involving her existence were forgotten. tide of the battle? "Sogeking" answered that call, but if Sogeking never existed in the first place, he probably figured someone else from the crew saved him). With his two greatest MomentOfAwesome retcon'ed out of his mind, is it that surprising that he lost most of the bravery he had since the TimeSkip? In other words, Usopp lost his memories of the brave things he did on Enies Lobby to save her, did, returning him to his pre-CharacterDevelopment state.state. It also explains why he acts more courageous later once Robin is back to normal and his memories restored.



** [[spoiler:For fans that make the connection it also foreshadows Usopp developing observation haki, which was the source of the infamous mantra power Enel was also known for.]]

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** [[spoiler:For For fans that make the connection it [[spoiler:it also foreshadows Usopp developing observation haki, which was the source of the infamous mantra power Enel was also known for.]]



* Usopp's cowardice when facing Trebol and Sugar is at least partially explained by [[spoiler:Robin being turned into a toy. The Hobby-Hobby fruit {{Retcon}}s its victims' existence; meaning that, in Usopp's mind, Enies Lobby never happened (they had no reason to go there without Robin) and he never defeated Perona in Thriller Back (remember how he asked for help before turning the tide of the battle? "Sogeking" answered that call, but if Sogeking never existed in the first place, he probably figured someone else from the crew saved him.). With his two greatest MomentOfAwesome retcon'ed out of his mind,]] is it that surprising that he lost most of the bravery he had since the TimeSkip? It also explains why he acts more courageous later [[spoiler:once Robin is back to normal and his memories restored.]]



* Gear Second was introduced in chapter 387. What chapter was Gear Fourth first mentioned in? [[spoiler:Chapter 783, which is 387 backwards]]
* In chapter 783, Luffy introduces a new technique called [[spoiler: Gear Fourth.]] One aspect of this technique is the ability to [[spoiler: compress his limbs and using elastic potential energy to increase his strength tenfold]]. Sound familiar? [[spoiler:It's like '''Bellamy''', who Doflamingo cut off from his family for being 'too weak']]. Starting chapter 784, [[spoiler:the aforementioned Shichibukai is [[LaserGuidedKarma getting his ass kicked by Luffy's new technque.]]]]

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* Gear Second was introduced in chapter 387. What chapter was Gear Fourth first mentioned in? [[spoiler:Chapter Chapter 783, which is 387 backwards]]
backwards. Additionally, Gear Fourth was also first used and made its actual debut in chapter 784, which can be rearranges to chapter 478, the same chapter where Nightmare Luffy made his debut.
* In chapter 783, Luffy introduces a new technique called [[spoiler: Gear Fourth.]] Fourth. One aspect of this technique is the ability to [[spoiler: compress his limbs and using elastic potential energy to increase his strength tenfold]]. Sound familiar? [[spoiler:It's like '''Bellamy''', who Doflamingo cut off from his family for being 'too weak']]. Starting chapter 784, [[spoiler:the aforementioned Shichibukai is [[LaserGuidedKarma getting his ass kicked by Luffy's new technque.]]]]
15th Aug '17 11:10:21 PM givcon14
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** Plus, it's been said that Blackbeard is looking for powerful Devil Fruit users. What exactly does he plan to do with them?
10th Aug '17 8:10:15 PM Randomfan11
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* The fact that the cloud-homie, Zeus is easily drawn away and convinced to shift loyalities by what amounts to food (courtesy of Nami and her clima-tact) actually makes sense when you consider he was made using Big Mom's own soul. Of course he'd easily be swayed when he was made from the soul of a BigEater!

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* The fact that the cloud-homie, Zeus is easily drawn away and convinced to shift loyalities loyalties by what amounts to food (courtesy of Nami and her clima-tact) actually makes sense when you consider he was made using Big Mom's own soul. Of course he'd easily be swayed when he was made from the soul of a BigEater!BigEater!
* Why was Chiffon so angry with Gotti when he pulled his gun on Sanji? If the Vinsmokes' contract isn't met, not only will the Firetank Pirates lose their captain, Chiffon will lose her husband, and Chiffon's son, Pez, will lose his father.
* Big Mom not tolerating anyone leaving Totto Land or betraying her "family" makes sense - [[spoiler:in a way, she's losing the family of orphans she used to live with as a child all over again]].
4th Aug '17 10:36:45 AM Andre
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* The fact that the cloud-homie, Zeus is easily drawn away and convinced to shift loyalities by what amounts to food (courtesy of Nami and her clima-tact) actually makes sense when you consider he was made using Big Mom's own soul. Of course he'd easily be swayed when he was made from the soul of a BigEater!
4th Aug '17 2:29:50 AM kuchiki222
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** Subverted, possibly. As these bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that And was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG didn't know much about Ace before his capture.

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** Subverted, possibly. As these bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that And Ace was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG didn't know much about Ace before his capture.
4th Aug '17 2:29:13 AM kuchiki222
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** Subverted, possibly. As these bounties are in the range of higher millions (or outright billions), it seems more likely that And was actually on the lower rungs of Yonko bounties. It seems more likely that WG didn't know much about Ace before his capture.
25th Jul '17 11:39:49 PM yaosaysobjection
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*Chopper is shown to be still frightened of large beasts post time skip, but doesn't react that way to human sized opponents. Despite his strength, he is still reacting intuitively as a prey animal to predator animals larger than him.
20th Jul '17 1:07:14 PM VulgarBee
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* Of the Straw Hat Crew, only Chopper is the one that comes anywhere close to being a truly pure hero, the rest of them scattered across different archetypes of Anti-Heroes from ClassicalAntiHero (Usopp) to UnscrupulousHero (Zoro/Robin). Why is that so? Besides them being the main protagonists of the story, didn't they also have flashbacks which showed their various role models making acts of sacrifice for them, influencing their moral compass? But look closely at their pasts and it seems their lessons are taken in a neutral view: Luffy learned how friends and being a friend is important but also remains one of the more egregious examples of Protagonist-Centred Morality; Sanji learned moreso the importance of sticking to your dream or how cooking is important rather than helping people/making sacrifices; Nami and Robin saw importance more in protecting or finding your loved ones/friends respectively, and as seen with Luffy this is subject to the same Morality; Franky was taught to be proud of his craftsmanship rather than being instilled with justice (Tom was a criminal after all) while Brook centers more on the importance of keeping promises or remembering your friends. At best, all their pasts have done was to let them exercise the morals of their lives with Chaotic Good intentions. On the contrary, Chopper’s past was about teaching him that ''besides'' having a good heart, actual knowledge was also important. His role models also held strong moral compasses: Hiruluk wanting to save the country and Kureha, despite being greedy and sly at times, still having the passion to save and/or cure human lives. It shows really, why he would be the one who holds the strongest sense of morality/ethics (as seen when he expresses anger at Hogback and Caesar).

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* Of the Straw Hat Crew, only Chopper is the one that comes anywhere close to being a truly pure hero, the rest of them scattered across different archetypes of Anti-Heroes from ClassicalAntiHero (Usopp) to UnscrupulousHero (Zoro/Robin). Why is that so? Besides them being the main protagonists of the story, didn't they also have flashbacks which showed their various role models making acts of sacrifice for them, influencing their moral compass? But look closely at their pasts and it seems their lessons are taken in a neutral view: Luffy learned how friends and being a friend is important but also remains one of the more egregious examples of Protagonist-Centred Morality; Sanji learned moreso the importance of sticking to your dream or how cooking is important rather than helping people/making sacrifices; Nami and Robin saw importance more in protecting or finding your loved ones/friends respectively, and as seen with Luffy this is subject to the same Morality; Franky was taught to be proud of his craftsmanship rather than being instilled with justice (Tom was a criminal after all) while Brook centers more on the importance of keeping promises or remembering your friends. At best, all their pasts have done was to let them exercise the morals of their lives with Chaotic Good ChaoticGood intentions. On the contrary, Chopper’s past was about teaching him that ''besides'' having a good heart, actual knowledge was also important. His role models also held strong moral compasses: Hiruluk wanting to save the country and Kureha, despite being greedy and sly at times, still having the passion to save and/or cure human lives. It shows really, why he would be the one who holds the strongest sense of morality/ethics (as seen when he expresses anger at Hogback and Caesar).



** The idea still stands. ''One Piece'' is almost like ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' in regards to its moral neutrality. Pirates are either insane and dangerous or idealistic and Chaotic Good. Gold Roger is said to have murdered an entire crew because he was angry. Luffy released prison inmates who were obviously deranged at best. Compared to all that, Ace is an ideal hero. If you want an ideal hero based on niceness, go to Shanks (who probably has a morally ambiguous past himself) or Coby.

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** The idea still stands. ''One Piece'' is almost like ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' in regards to its moral neutrality. Pirates are either insane and dangerous or idealistic and Chaotic Good.ChaoticGood. Gold Roger is said to have murdered an entire crew because he was angry. Luffy released prison inmates who were obviously deranged at best. Compared to all that, Ace is an ideal hero. If you want an ideal hero based on niceness, go to Shanks (who probably has a morally ambiguous past himself) or Coby.
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