History Fridge / OnePiece

13th Nov '17 12:38:51 AM FRizer
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* When we first met Ceasar, his experiments on children seemed an over the top ForTheEvilz MadScientist scheme. Messing with the children's hormones to turn them into giant, rampaging monsters? Possibly as a weapon to sell to the highest bidder? Then we learn that he was supposed to find a way to 'gigantify' Big Mom's crew. So he was just going for the giant thing, and the rest was side effects? Nope again. When we learn Big Mom's backstory, it suddenly becomes clear what he was aiming at - trying to replicate the disorder that turned Big Mom herself into a giant rampaging monster. He's painted as chronically incompetent, but here he knew exactly what he was doing.
29th Oct '17 9:53:03 AM DVB
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* Nami is hit particularly hard by Sanji's harsh words toward Luffy to drive him away...she would know because she attempted the same verbal tactic back in the Arlong arc.

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** In addition, Luffy had to deal with two crewmates of his doing this before: Nami with Arlong and later Robin with CP9. He's probably figured out Sanji was lying from prue experience alone.
* Nami is hit particularly hard by Sanji's harsh words toward Luffy to drive him away...she would know because she attempted the same verbal tactic back in the Arlong arc. Though it does make it confusing that she was convinced like the others (barring Luffy.)
29th Oct '17 9:48:38 AM DVB
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* Luffy is revealed to dislike eating mochi. Given how the prior chapters have compared how Karakuri's powers mirror that of Luffy's, it could be that for a RubberMan like Luffy, it takes a considerably amount of working eating mochi because of its similar consistency to rubber.
20th Oct '17 2:37:43 AM R.G.
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** Try telling THAT to Nami, who feels no amount of treasure is worth all the dangerous stuff Luffy puts her through.
3rd Oct '17 10:24:32 PM SquealingSandry
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*** Also, Sanji wears dress shoes, which often have *leather* soles, not rubber.
17th Sep '17 2:15:32 PM NaraNumas
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* Sanji's said the one devil fruit he would be willing to give up his power to swim for would be the Clear-Clear fruit, which grants invisibility. When this is revealed, it's treated as hilarious because he wants to use it for its PowerPerversionPotential, but after learning of his backstory, it's a lot more tragic why he would want to disappear from sight entirely.
16th Sep '17 11:36:16 AM VulgarBee
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* Of the Straw Hat Crew, only Chopper is the one that comes anywhere close to being a truly pure hero, the rest of them scattered across different archetypes of Anti-Heroes from ClassicalAntiHero (Usopp) to UnscrupulousHero (Zoro/Robin). Why is that so? Besides them being the main protagonists of the story, didn't they also have flashbacks which showed their various role models making acts of sacrifice for them, influencing their moral compass? But look closely at their pasts and it seems their lessons are taken in a neutral view: Luffy learned how friends and being a friend is important but also remains one of the more egregious examples of Protagonist-Centred Morality; Sanji learned moreso the importance of sticking to your dream or how cooking is important rather than helping people/making sacrifices; Nami and Robin saw importance more in protecting or finding your loved ones/friends respectively, and as seen with Luffy this is subject to the same Morality; Franky was taught to be proud of his craftsmanship rather than being instilled with justice (Tom was a criminal after all) while Brook centers more on the importance of keeping promises or remembering your friends. At best, all their pasts have done was to let them exercise the morals of their lives with ChaoticGood intentions. On the contrary, Chopper’s past was about teaching him that ''besides'' having a good heart, actual knowledge was also important. His role models also held strong moral compasses: Hiruluk wanting to save the country and Kureha, despite being greedy and sly at times, still having the passion to save and/or cure human lives. It shows really, why he would be the one who holds the strongest sense of morality/ethics (as seen when he expresses anger at Hogback and Caesar).

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* Of the Straw Hat Crew, only Chopper is the one that comes anywhere close to being a truly pure hero, the rest of them scattered across different archetypes of Anti-Heroes from ClassicalAntiHero (Usopp) to UnscrupulousHero (Zoro/Robin). Why is that so? Besides them being the main protagonists of the story, didn't they also have flashbacks which showed their various role models making acts of sacrifice for them, influencing their moral compass? But look closely at their pasts and it seems their lessons are taken in a neutral view: Luffy learned how friends and being a friend is important but also remains one of the more egregious examples of Protagonist-Centred Morality; ProtagonistCentredMorality; Sanji learned moreso the importance of sticking to your dream or how cooking is important rather than helping people/making sacrifices; Nami and Robin saw importance more in protecting or finding your loved ones/friends respectively, and as seen with Luffy this is subject to the same Morality; Franky was taught to be proud of his craftsmanship rather than being instilled with justice (Tom was a criminal after all) while Brook centers more on the importance of keeping promises or remembering your friends. At best, all their pasts have done was to let them exercise the morals of their lives with ChaoticGood intentions. On the contrary, Chopper’s past was about teaching him that ''besides'' having a good heart, actual knowledge was also important. His role models also held strong moral compasses: Hiruluk wanting to save the country and Kureha, despite being greedy and sly at times, still having the passion to save and/or cure human lives. It shows really, why he would be the one who holds the strongest sense of morality/ethics (as seen when he expresses anger at Hogback and Caesar).



* At first during the Arlong Arc, it looks like Arlong was bribing the marines to keep their mouths shut because he just wanted to stay hidden for simple reasons, like not having the marines chase him or to just relax. But after Jinbe's debut, it's revealed [[spoiler:the only reason Arlong was freed was because Jinbe became a Warlord of the Sea, and if word got up to Marine HQ that Arlong was terrorizing a small island, Jinbe would have no doubt gone there and solved the problem himself. Arlong was bribing the marines because he didn't want to get Jinbe on him! And yes, this would probably happen since it has been implied that Jinbe hates Arlong's guts.]]

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* At first during the Arlong Arc, it looks like Arlong was bribing the marines to keep their mouths shut because he just wanted to stay hidden for simple reasons, like not having the marines chase him or to just relax. But after Jinbe's Jimbei's debut, it's revealed [[spoiler:the only reason Arlong was freed was because Jinbe Jimbei became a Warlord of the Sea, and if word got up to Marine HQ that Arlong was terrorizing a small island, Jinbe Jimbei would have no doubt gone there and solved the problem himself. Arlong was bribing the marines because he didn't want to get Jinbe Jimbei on him! And yes, this would probably happen since it has been implied that Jinbe Jimbei hates Arlong's guts.]]



** It also gave Luffy a chance to [[spoiler: develop a strong bond with soon-to-be crewmate Jinbe.]] HeartwarmingInHindsight because that would mean when the other Straw Hats couldn't be there for Luffy, he already [[spoiler: had a Straw Hat with him]], albeit unknowingly.

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** It also gave Luffy a chance to [[spoiler: develop a strong bond with soon-to-be crewmate Jinbe.Jimbei.]] HeartwarmingInHindsight because that would mean when the other Straw Hats couldn't be there for Luffy, he already [[spoiler: had a Straw Hat with him]], albeit unknowingly.



* Whitebeard's death, despite the Marines thinking it would be a good thing, was not due to the territories under his protection being open for conquest by his enemies. While this consequence would occur from the death of any of the Yonkos, it's more significant with Whitebeard's. Other than Shanks, Whitebeard was the only Emperor that was a [[BigGood good guy]]. The other two were revealed to be evil, after the [[TimeSkip timeskip]]. If one of the two villanious Yonkos, or possibly both died, their death(s) would actually be good for the world of OnePiece, because their evil rule would be put to an end, leaving their territories open for Whitebeard or Shanks to become their benevolent rulers. Whitebeard's death is significant, because without him balancing out the good/evil ratio of the Four Emperors (two good guys and two bad guys), the ratio is now one good guy (Shanks) to three bad guys (Kaido, Big Mom, and [[KlingonPromotion Whitebeard's replacement: Blackbeard]]).
** Going along with this, it also gives a logical reason as to why Sengoku respects Shanks, as well as Whitebeard. Sengoku knows that while Shanks and Whitebeard are pirates, namely a Yonko, he also knows that they are good people, who are pacifistic(aka not causing chaos), and care about maintaining the balance of peace, unlike most pirates. While he did put up Ace's execution publicly, due to being the son of the Pirate King, [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation he could have also done it out of respect for him, knowing that as the good-natured man that he is, doesn't want to risk the bad side of him]] [[PapaWolf attacking]] Marineford. You can see this, in that Whitebeard held back by not attempting to destroy Marineford, until Akainu killed Ace, deciding to use his full power. Also, Sengoku allowed Shanks to take Whitebeard and Ace's body because he [[HiddenDepths secretly agreed]] with not wanting to dishonor Whitebeard, even in death, which could be supported by Shanks stating that Sengoku [[WorthyOpponent respected Whitebeard]].

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* Whitebeard's death, despite the Marines thinking it would be a good thing, was not due to the territories under his protection being open for conquest by his enemies. While this consequence would occur from the death of any of the Yonkos, Four Emperors, it's more significant with Whitebeard's. Other than Shanks, Whitebeard was the only Emperor that was a [[BigGood good guy]]. The other two were revealed to be evil, after the [[TimeSkip timeskip]]. If one of the two villanious Yonkos, Emperors, or possibly both died, their death(s) would actually be good for the world of OnePiece, because their evil rule would be put to an end, leaving their territories open for Whitebeard or Shanks to become their benevolent rulers. Whitebeard's death is significant, because without him balancing out the good/evil ratio of the Four Emperors (two good guys and two bad guys), the ratio is now one good guy (Shanks) to three bad guys (Kaido, Big Mom, and [[KlingonPromotion Whitebeard's replacement: Blackbeard]]).
** Going along with this, it also gives a logical reason as to why Sengoku respects Shanks, as well as Whitebeard. Sengoku knows that while Shanks and Whitebeard are pirates, namely a Yonko, an Emperor, he also knows that they are good people, who are pacifistic(aka not causing chaos), and care about maintaining the balance of peace, unlike most pirates. While he did put up Ace's execution publicly, due to being the son of the Pirate King, [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation he could have also done it out of respect for him, knowing that as the good-natured man that he is, doesn't want to risk the bad side of him]] [[PapaWolf attacking]] Marineford. You can see this, in that Whitebeard held back by not attempting to destroy Marineford, until Akainu killed Ace, deciding to use his full power. Also, Sengoku allowed Shanks to take Whitebeard and Ace's body because he [[HiddenDepths secretly agreed]] with not wanting to dishonor Whitebeard, even in death, which could be supported by Shanks stating that Sengoku [[WorthyOpponent respected Whitebeard]].



* As the date of his execution drew near, Ace told Jinbei that he didn't have to worry about Luffy after meeting the Straw Hhat crew back in Alabasta. [[spoiler:After Ace's death]], Jinbei reminds Luffy of his crew, giving him a ''much''-needed snap-out from his HeroicBSOD. The first scene actually makes more sense in the anime, since about 400 episodes ago Ace had spent a good time travelling with the Straw Hats, rather than the brief encounter he had with them in the manga. In other words (at least in the anime's context), what we thought of as filler episodes with one of the series' {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s a few years ago indirectly led to one of Luffy's most crucial moments in the ''whole story''. -- [=Rookiez78=]

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* As the date of his execution drew near, Ace told Jinbei Jimbei that he didn't have to worry about Luffy after meeting the Straw Hhat crew back in Alabasta. [[spoiler:After Ace's death]], Jinbei Jimbei reminds Luffy of his crew, giving him a ''much''-needed snap-out from his HeroicBSOD. The first scene actually makes more sense in the anime, since about 400 episodes ago Ace had spent a good time travelling with the Straw Hats, rather than the brief encounter he had with them in the manga. In other words (at least in the anime's context), what we thought of as filler episodes with one of the series' {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s a few years ago indirectly led to one of Luffy's most crucial moments in the ''whole story''. -- [=Rookiez78=]



* As disappointing as it is that [[spoiler:Jinbe turned down Luffy's invitation to join the Straw Hats until a later time]], Oda had a good reason for it. Right now, [[spoiler:Jinbe's bounty is higher than Luffy's, which would go against Oda's rule of having a member of the crew with a higher bounty than Luffy (Zoro, despite being equal to Luffy, has a lower bounty). Obviously, during the time between now and Jinbe returning to join the Straw Hats, Luffy's bounty is going to get a major increase]].
** I beg to differ; [[spoiler:we've never seen Jinbe's bounty yet. Some of the Warlords of the Sea (of which Jinbe is formerly a member) had a comparatively little bounty before they got "frozen" (heck, Blackbeard's got no bounty).]] Of course, this doesn't take into account [[spoiler:the possibility of bounty increase after TimeSkip, especially since Jinbe's bounty might've been reinstated again...]]

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* As disappointing as it is that [[spoiler:Jinbe [[spoiler:Jimbei turned down Luffy's invitation to join the Straw Hats until a later time]], Oda had a good reason for it. Right now, [[spoiler:Jinbe's [[spoiler:Jimbei's bounty is higher than Luffy's, which would go against Oda's rule of having a member of the crew with a higher bounty than Luffy (Zoro, despite being equal to Luffy, has a lower bounty). Obviously, during the time between now and Jinbe Jimbei returning to join the Straw Hats, Luffy's bounty is going to get a major increase]].
** I beg to differ; [[spoiler:we've never seen Jinbe's Jimbei's bounty yet. Some of the Warlords of the Sea (of which Jinbe Jimbei is formerly a member) had a comparatively little bounty before they got "frozen" (heck, Blackbeard's got no bounty).]] Of course, this doesn't take into account [[spoiler:the possibility of bounty increase after TimeSkip, especially since Jinbe's Jimbei's bounty might've been reinstated again...]]



*** Hell Shaboady, Fishman Island and a bit of Punk Hazard are full of refereces to things that happened pre-timeskip. Luffy befriending a princess: happened for Alabasta, a swordsman full of himself challenges a opponent he cant hope to beat: happened at the Baratie, frog reference included, Luffy fighting alongside Jimbe: happened in the Whitebeard War saga, etc, etc,

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*** Hell Shaboady, Saboady, Fishman Island and a bit of Punk Hazard are full of refereces references to things that happened pre-timeskip. Luffy befriending a princess: happened for Alabasta, a swordsman full of himself challenges a opponent he cant hope to beat: happened at the Baratie, frog reference included, Luffy fighting alongside Jimbe: Jimbei: happened in the Whitebeard War saga, etc, etc,



* It seems ''really'' convenient that Oda had Robin come up after Jinbe's flashback [[spoiler: since otherwise we would be aware much sooner that Koala would become a Revolutionary.]]

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* It seems ''really'' convenient that Oda had Robin come up after Jinbe's Jimbei's flashback [[spoiler: since otherwise we would be aware much sooner that Koala would become a Revolutionary.]]



*** More of a Wild Mass Guess, but the Human Shop way back on Shabody? It was frequented by Celestial Dragons likely because they knew [[spoiler:it was run by one of their own]].

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*** More of a Wild Mass Guess, but the Human Shop way back on Shabody? Sabaody? It was frequented by Celestial Dragons likely because they knew [[spoiler:it was run by one of their own]].



* In chapter 783, Luffy introduces a new technique called Gear Fourth. One aspect of this technique is the ability to [[spoiler: compress his limbs and using elastic potential energy to increase his strength tenfold]]. Sound familiar? [[spoiler:It's like '''Bellamy''', who Doflamingo cut off from his family for being 'too weak']]. Starting chapter 784, [[spoiler:the aforementioned Shichibukai is [[LaserGuidedKarma getting his ass kicked by Luffy's new technque.]]]]

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* In chapter 783, Luffy introduces a new technique called Gear Fourth. One aspect of this technique is the ability to [[spoiler: compress his limbs and using elastic potential energy to increase his strength tenfold]]. Sound familiar? [[spoiler:It's like '''Bellamy''', who Doflamingo cut off from his family for being 'too weak']]. Starting chapter 784, [[spoiler:the aforementioned Shichibukai Warlord is [[LaserGuidedKarma getting his ass kicked by Luffy's new technque.]]]]



** Furthermore, having spent 37 years on Elbaf, [[spoiler: the [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Mountain Witch]] was possibly also a spy for the WG.]] The fact that Elbaf is still considered a major military power in the present that almost allied itself with a Yonko just a few years prior makes it even more likely. As she was soon planning to retire anyway, suddenly leaving Elbaf didn't mean much for the WG. In fact, the whole incident with Linlin enabled her to smoothly leave the island for good without causing any suspicion.

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** Furthermore, having spent 37 years on Elbaf, [[spoiler: the [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Mountain Witch]] was possibly also a spy for the WG.]] The fact that Elbaf is still considered a major military power in the present that almost allied itself with a Yonko an Emperor just a few years prior makes it even more likely. As she was soon planning to retire anyway, suddenly leaving Elbaf didn't mean much for the WG. In fact, the whole incident with Linlin enabled her to smoothly leave the island for good without causing any suspicion.
15th Sep '17 4:44:53 PM VulgarBee
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* Befitting the eponymous trope, Ace in many ways functions as the ideal hero not just in comparison to Luffy, but in general; friendly, sociable, is the son of the most influential figure in the series, has a classic hero power(fire), and is considered one of the strongest characters. With his [[spoiler: death]], the story emphasizes that despite these qualities, Luffy is the hero the story needs.

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* Befitting the eponymous trope, Ace in many ways functions as the ideal hero IdealHero not just in comparison to Luffy, but in general; friendly, sociable, is the son of the most influential figure in the series, has a classic hero power(fire), and is considered one of the strongest characters. With his [[spoiler: death]], the story emphasizes that despite these qualities, Luffy is the hero the story needs.



** The idea still stands. ''One Piece'' is almost like ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' in regards to its moral neutrality. Pirates are either insane and dangerous or idealistic and ChaoticGood. Gold Roger is said to have murdered an entire crew because he was angry. Luffy released prison inmates who were obviously deranged at best. Compared to all that, Ace is an ideal hero. If you want an ideal hero based on niceness, go to Shanks (who probably has a morally ambiguous past himself) or Coby.

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** The idea still stands. ''One Piece'' is almost like ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' in regards to its moral neutrality. Pirates are either insane and dangerous or idealistic and ChaoticGood. Gold Roger is said to have murdered an entire crew because he was angry. Luffy released prison inmates who were obviously deranged at best. Compared to all that, Ace is an ideal hero. If you want an ideal hero based on niceness, go to Shanks (who probably has a morally ambiguous past himself) or Coby.
12th Sep '17 1:55:52 PM Randomfan11
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* Luffy's manner of dress (loose sleeveless jacket, cut-off jeans, sandals) just seemed like beachwear, but after reading RequiredSecondaryPowers, it occurred to me that it was possibly selected by Luffy after he ruined too many jumpers whilst training his RubberMan powers -- allowing him to stretch without ripping his clothes. -- @/AckSed.
** His new outfit, well shirt, reflects his improved control and uses of said powers, especially the fact that the sleeves extend out -- Otakukun

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* Luffy's manner of dress (loose sleeveless jacket, cut-off jeans, sandals) just seemed like beachwear, but after reading RequiredSecondaryPowers, it occurred to me that it was possibly selected by Luffy after he ruined too many jumpers whilst training his RubberMan powers -- allowing him to stretch without ripping his clothes. -- @/AckSed.
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** His new outfit, well shirt, reflects his improved control and uses of said powers, especially the fact that the sleeves extend out -- Otakukunout



* Why does Charlotte Pudding pretend to care for Sanji when he shows her physical evidence of his family's abuse and tells her of his DarkAndTroubledPast? [[spoiler:Because of the two of them, Sanji's abusive past was ''nothing'' compared to Pudding's. Unlike Sanji, a weak "dud" who received support in his darkest hours, Pudding had the entire world against her just for having a third eye, so she snapped and covered her brokenness under a thick layer of anger, sadism, and resentment. This also dulled her empathy to other people's suffering, even though they suffered as equally as she]].



* Kuma's power is to push something. Now beyond physical objects, like people, he can push medical conditions from people as well, even if a fraction of it, like Luffy's pain. Now we know he was key in making the Pacifistas with that doctor and Admiral Kizaru. Now, if we assume the Devil Fruit alters the most basic parts of its user, then it is a physical condition. These points make me realize Kuma could strip a person of a Devil Fruit power permanently. Hell, he could even push the life out of a person, considering he was called The Tyrant in the past. To me, he has the scariest power in the One Piece Universe, beating out even Blackbeard's. -- isoycrazy

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* Kuma's power is to push something. Now beyond physical objects, like people, he can push medical conditions from people as well, even if a fraction of it, like Luffy's pain. Now we know he was key in making the Pacifistas with that doctor and Admiral Kizaru. Now, if we assume the Devil Fruit alters the most basic parts of its user, then it is a physical condition. These points make me realize Kuma could strip a person of a Devil Fruit power permanently. Hell, he could even push the life out of a person, considering he was called The Tyrant in the past. To me, he has the scariest power in the One Piece Universe, beating out even Blackbeard's. -- isoycrazy
6th Sep '17 6:53:12 PM TallTroper
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** [[spoiler: For that matter, if through Ceasar, he had access to that poison, in which they used overkill amounts already, why not simply spike the cake with it, and then let Big Mom eat it?]]
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