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22nd Jul '17 5:43:45 AM Borjigin
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** Welcome to the future. I routinely buy something from Walmart or wherever, and come home to find an advertisement related to what I bought waiting for me when I check my email or look at a youtube video.
18th Jun '17 7:50:14 PM Fireblood
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** Alternatively, it come out brown because it was premeditated, just not in the traditional. He may not have known the guy, but [[spoiler:he probably thought about what he'd do to the person who took his son for a LONG time.]]

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** Alternatively, it come out brown because it was premeditated, just not in the traditional.traditional way. He may not have known the guy, but [[spoiler:he probably thought about what he'd do to the person who took his son for a LONG time.]]



* While it is never remarked upon, the sheer prevalence of the Eyedent retinal scanners in the world depicted in the film is terrifying. While its use for security is of debatable merit, the inclusion of it in advertising and general means of identification raises it from extreme measures to oppressive and invasive. The fact that the people living in DC seem to casually accept it as part of their day to day lives, combined with the fact it's never really expanded upon in the film (and treated as if it's a background element) suggests that this has been a part of society for a long enough time to become routine and, perhaps even more jarringly, there is no opposition to that level of invasion. A good example of this would be the Spyder scene. Towards the end as the two Precops are heading through the building, the woman complains not about the scans themselves, more about the Police conducting the scans without prior warning and with the creepy little robots. Police invasion of property and essentially searching ''everyone'' is left unremarked upon.
* They want to take precrime national. Presumably, Arthur, Agatha and Dashiell can't see any murders beyond the bounds of D.C. So how are they going to find more precogs? And if they can't find them, will they resort to [[BizarreBabyBoom creating them?]] The idea becomes horrifying when you remember Iris Hineman's monologue about how the D.C. precogs came to be.

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* While it is never remarked upon, the sheer prevalence of the Eyedent retinal scanners in the world depicted in the film is terrifying. While its use for security is of debatable merit, the inclusion of it in advertising and general means of identification raises it from extreme measures to oppressive and invasive. The fact that the people living in DC seem to casually accept it as part of their day to day lives, combined with the fact it's never really expanded upon in the film (and treated as if it's a background element) element), suggests that this has been a part of society for a long enough time to become routine and, perhaps even more jarringly, there is no opposition to that level of invasion. A good example of this would be the Spyder scene. Towards the end as the two Precops are heading through the building, the woman complains not about the scans themselves, more about the Police police conducting the scans without prior warning and with the creepy little robots. Police invasion of property and essentially searching ''everyone'' is left unremarked upon.
* They want to take precrime Precrime national. Presumably, Arthur, Agatha and Dashiell can't see any murders beyond the bounds of D.C. So how are they going to find more precogs? And if they can't find them, will they resort to [[BizarreBabyBoom creating them?]] The idea becomes horrifying when you remember Iris Hineman's monologue about how the D.C. precogs came to be.
18th Jun '17 7:47:02 PM Fireblood
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** Really the only problem with Precrime is the fact that Director Burgess murdered Anne Lively instead of taking it the courts and leaving it in their hands if the woman should be given her daughter back. Outside of a very complicated coverup to murder Lively and the questionable treatment of the precogs, Precrime really ''does'' work.
** There is also the issue of just how rare minority reports actually are. Iris states that a Precrime suspect might have a possible alternate future in which they do ''not'' commit their ascribed murder, but adds that this happens only "every once in a while," and as Lamar points out towards the end of the film, the comparative rarity of that -- even when combined with the PoweredByAForsakenChild treatment of the Precogs -- is simply not relevant when weighed against the much, much more common occurrence of soon-to-be murderers who have no alternate futures and so are guaranteed to successfully murder their victims if Precrime doesn't intervene first. So, really, which is the smarter reaction: restructuring Precrime so that the police simply don't pursue a murder suspect when and if they're shown to have a possible alternate future? Or, as they do in the film, shutting ''the entire system'' down after that just because of a relatively small number of false positives?
** Also there is the CentralTheme of the [[Series/MinorityReport2015 2015]] SequelSeries - what steps should the government take to keep its citizens secure? What sacrifices are permissible? What is the suffering of three "[[TheyWouldCutYouUp genetic freaks]]" compared to the lives they could save if they were [[PoweredByAForsakenChild kept drugged and plugged into computers]]? What is [[LibertyOverProsperity forsaking privacy compared to a world without crime]]? Perhaps most importantly; once the government has that much power, ''who could stop it from doing anything else it wants?''
15th Jul '16 10:37:56 PM Sharlee
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*** Except if that were the case, [[spoiler: there really should've been two names on that ball, not one]].
2nd Oct '15 8:31:47 AM Discar
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* Minority Report has a moment, or even an entire third act, of sheer brilliance when Anderton [[spoiler: gets imprisoned.]] From that moment on, [[spoiler: the entire film could well be an implanted dream.]] What else would you expect from a film based on a Phillip K. Dick story? - {{Tropers/jearle}}

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* Minority Report has a moment, or even an entire third act, of sheer brilliance when Anderton [[spoiler: gets imprisoned.]] From that moment on, [[spoiler: the entire film could well be an implanted dream.]] What else would you expect from a film based on a Phillip K. Dick story? - {{Tropers/jearle}}



* Why did Anderton's ball come out brown, the sign of a premeditated murder? As he stated, he didn't even know the guy! Because [[spoiler:''he wasn't the one who planned it''.]]

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* Why did Anderton's ball come out brown, the sign of a premeditated murder? As he stated, he didn't even know the guy! guy. Several possibilities:
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Because [[spoiler:''he wasn't the one who planned it''.]]



*** It was premeditated, but the Precogs saw only the person who would commit the murder, not the person who planned it.
*** Anderton did [[spoiler:premeditate murder. It doesn't matter if he planned it a month ahead of time or two minutes ahead of time - he knew he was going to do it. It also turned out he changed his mind, but the precogs didn't see that part. They saw the premediatation and then just jumped ahead to the shooting and incorrectly connected the two.]]



* While it is never remarked upon, the sheer prevalence of the Eyedent retinal scanners in the world depicted in the film is terrifying. While its use for security is of debatable merit, the inclusion of it in advertising and general means of identification raises it from extreme measures to oppressive and invasive. The fact that the people living in DC seem to casually accept it as part of their day to day lives, combined with the fact it's never really expanded upon in the film (and treated as if it's a background element) suggests that this has been a part of society for a long enough time to become routine and, perhaps even more jarringly, there is no opposition to that level of invasiveness. A good example of this would be the Spyder scene. Towards the end as the two Precops are heading through the building, the woman complains not about the scans themselves, more about the Police conducting the scans without prior warning and with the creepy little robots. Police invasion of property and essentially searching ''everyone'' is left unremarked upon.
** Thing is, they don't actually invade property. All they do is a)scan the building with a heat scope to see where everyone is, and b) deploy the spiders, which check everyone and do nothing else. They are only keyed to search for a single, specific suspect's (or suspects) retina. It's effectively the same as if the cops camped outside the building and waited for a suspect they think is inside to come out, just faster.
*** I'm pretty sure deploying scanners whose purpose it is to confirm the identity of an individual in a private dwelling is an invasion. Very much not the same as waiting outside for a suspect to exit. Not even close.
**** I liken it to the case when the police comes knocking on doors, search the premises and check for everyone's IDs. Obviously it would require a warrant, but they may have obtained one off-screen in the movie. Basically it's the same process but more quickly - it seems more invasive because the nature of an eye scan done by spider robots, not because of the process itself. And even without the warrant, it does kind of make sense, considering how most judicial processes got thrown out in the movie.
**** This is a society where it is readily accepted that you can be arrested and imprisoned for life for what amounts to ''thoughtcrime'' on the word of what amounts to three jackasses with a crystal ball: this government has ''long'' since become a police state, perhaps in all but name.
** Ask yourself this: How many of you have already accepted that Facebook or Google or Amazon or Microsoft or any number of other massive corporations have routinely been caught either giving away your personal information or using it to personalize the advertisements they show you? How many of you are still routinely using these sites despite any outrage you may feel at their shady activities? this is absolutely no different. It's just the next level. If the majority of people can accept our already massively inflated surveillance culture then they will accept their eyes being used to target stuff at them as they walk down the street. As in the case of all these other real life examples; all they would need to do is to offer you the right combination of incentives and peer pressure.
* "He knows. Don't go home." One has to wonder both [[NoodleIncident what the woman did, and what the husband will do]]...especially if the woman doesn't heed Agatha's advice.
** Considering the Precogs usually can't perceive anything but murders at much of a spatial or temporal distance, it's not hard to guess what ''would'' have happened...

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* While it is never remarked upon, the sheer prevalence of the Eyedent retinal scanners in the world depicted in the film is terrifying. While its use for security is of debatable merit, the inclusion of it in advertising and general means of identification raises it from extreme measures to oppressive and invasive. The fact that the people living in DC seem to casually accept it as part of their day to day lives, combined with the fact it's never really expanded upon in the film (and treated as if it's a background element) suggests that this has been a part of society for a long enough time to become routine and, perhaps even more jarringly, there is no opposition to that level of invasiveness.invasion. A good example of this would be the Spyder scene. Towards the end as the two Precops are heading through the building, the woman complains not about the scans themselves, more about the Police conducting the scans without prior warning and with the creepy little robots. Police invasion of property and essentially searching ''everyone'' is left unremarked upon.
** Thing is, they don't actually invade property. All they do is a)scan the building with a heat scope to see where everyone is, and b) deploy the spiders, which check everyone and do nothing else. They are only keyed to search for a single, specific suspect's (or suspects) retina. It's effectively the same as if the cops camped outside the building and waited for a suspect they think is inside to come out, just faster.
*** I'm pretty sure deploying scanners whose purpose it is to confirm the identity of an individual in a private dwelling is an invasion. Very much not the same as waiting outside for a suspect to exit. Not even close.
**** I liken it to the case when the police comes knocking on doors, search the premises and check for everyone's IDs. Obviously it would require a warrant, but they may have obtained one off-screen in the movie. Basically it's the same process but more quickly - it seems more invasive because the nature of an eye scan done by spider robots, not because of the process itself. And even without the warrant, it does kind of make sense, considering how most judicial processes got thrown out in the movie.
**** This is a society where it is readily accepted that you can be arrested and imprisoned for life for what amounts to ''thoughtcrime'' on the word of what amounts to three jackasses with a crystal ball: this government has ''long'' since become a police state, perhaps in all but name.
** Ask yourself this: How many of you have already accepted that Facebook or Google or Amazon or Microsoft or any number of other massive corporations have routinely been caught either giving away your personal information or using it to personalize the advertisements they show you? How many of you are still routinely using these sites despite any outrage you may feel at their shady activities? this is absolutely no different. It's just the next level. If the majority of people can accept our already massively inflated surveillance culture then they will accept their eyes being used to target stuff at them as they walk down the street. As in the case of all these other real life examples; all they would need to do is to offer you the right combination of incentives and peer pressure.
* "He knows. Don't go home." One has to wonder both [[NoodleIncident what the woman did, and what the husband will do]]...especially if the woman doesn't heed Agatha's advice.
** Considering the Precogs usually can't perceive anything but murders at much of a spatial or temporal distance, it's not hard to guess what ''would'' have happened...
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3rd Sep '15 1:09:09 AM jormis29
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* {{Minority Report}} has a moment, or even an entire third act, of sheer brilliance when Anderton [[spoiler: gets imprisoned.]] From that moment on, [[spoiler: the entire film could well be an implanted dream.]] What else would you expect from a film based on a Phillip K. Dick story? - {{Tropers/jearle}}

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* {{Minority Report}} Minority Report has a moment, or even an entire third act, of sheer brilliance when Anderton [[spoiler: gets imprisoned.]] From that moment on, [[spoiler: the entire film could well be an implanted dream.]] What else would you expect from a film based on a Phillip K. Dick story? - {{Tropers/jearle}}
15th May '14 2:49:15 AM falcon2484
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* They want to take precrime national. Presumably, Arthur, Agatha and Dashiell can't see any murders beyond the bounds of D.C. So how are they going to find more precogs? And if they can't find them, will they resort to [[BizarreBabyBoom ''creating'' them?]]

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* They want to take precrime national. Presumably, Arthur, Agatha and Dashiell can't see any murders beyond the bounds of D.C. So how are they going to find more precogs? And if they can't find them, will they resort to [[BizarreBabyBoom ''creating'' them?]]creating them?]] The idea becomes horrifying when you remember Iris Hineman's monologue about how the D.C. precogs came to be.
15th May '14 2:45:32 AM falcon2484
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* They want to take precrime national. Presumably, Arthur, Agatha and Dashiell can't see any murders beyond the bounds of D.C. So how are they going to find more precogs? And if they can't find them, will they resort to [[BizarreBabyBoom ''creating'' them?]]
30th Mar '14 4:00:20 PM thatsnumberwang
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** Ask yourself this: How many of you have already accepted that Facebook or Google or Amazon or Microsoft or any number of other massive corporations have routinely been caught either giving away your personal information or using it to personalize the advertisements they show you? How many of you are still routinely using these sites despite any outrage you may feel at their shady activities? this is absolutely no different. It's just the next level. If the majority of people can accept our already massively inflated surveillance culture then they will accept their eyes being used to target stuff at them as they walk down the street. As in the case of all these other real life examples; all they would need to do is to offer you the right combination of incentives and peer pressure.
23rd Feb '14 11:31:58 AM SharleeD
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* Dr. Hineman's little demonstration with the moving vine has a double meaning. Her parting words to Anderton, and the vine's increasingly-violent struggles, suggest that any living creature's base instincts will always trump other concerns in a pinch. But Hineman herself is ''overriding'' her own instincts even as she says this, by deliberately gripping the vine until it rips her palm open in its efforts to escape being crushed. She's non-verbally proving that human willpower can override instinct, and thereby hinting that [[spoiler: Anderton ''will'' have a choice about killing Crow, or Burgess.]]

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* Dr. Hineman's little demonstration with the moving vine has a double meaning. Her parting words to Anderton, and the vine's increasingly-violent struggles, suggest that any living creature's base instincts will always trump other concerns in a pinch. But Hineman herself is ''overriding'' her own instincts even as she says this, by deliberately gripping the vine until it rips her palm open in its efforts to escape being crushed. She's non-verbally proving showing us that human willpower can override instinct, drives that would otherwise be inevitable, and thereby hinting that [[spoiler: Anderton ''will'' have a choice about killing Crow, or Burgess.]]
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