History Fridge / MetalGearSolid

8th Nov '17 7:23:00 PM ryanruff13
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* This technically only applies to The Twin Snakes, although this was also mentioned in the Japanese script for Metal Gear Solid, as well. Anyways, Psycho Mantis's line of "It feels so... nostalgic" in regards to performing a good deed for Solid Snake and Meryl Silverburgh before dying seemed very confusing to some fans... until you remember that Psycho Mantis's mother died while giving birth to him, which meant he was referring to what his mother did for him before dying. Stated as such by Kojima here: http://muni_shinobu.webs.com/mgs/commentary2.html
** I know that it isn't the real reason, but the "feels good" and the "nostalgic feeling" set off a different bell for me. See Mantis constantly breaks the fourth wall, right? Well, what's stopping him from doing that while dying? To me, Mantis felt nostalgic in Twin Snakes because he already had done a good deed before: In the Playstation version.

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* This technically only applies to The ''The Twin Snakes, Snakes'', although this was also mentioned in the Japanese script for Metal ''Metal Gear Solid, Solid'', as well. Anyways, Psycho Mantis's line of "It feels so... nostalgic" in regards to performing a good deed for Solid Snake and Meryl Silverburgh before dying seemed very confusing to some fans... until you remember that Psycho Mantis's mother died while giving birth to him, which meant he was referring to what his mother did for him before dying. Stated as such by Kojima here: http://muni_shinobu.webs.com/mgs/commentary2.html
** I know that it isn't the real reason, but the "feels good" and the "nostalgic feeling" set off a different bell for me. See Mantis constantly breaks the fourth wall, right? Well, what's stopping him from doing that while dying? To me, Mantis felt nostalgic in Twin Snakes ''Twin Snakes'' because he already had done a good deed before: In the Playstation version.



** Even the Patriots have a narrative symbolism under the name Shadow Moses. The Patriots want to create a "promised land" too, and at one point desired Big Boss as their "Moses" who would have brought about that world. But they were forced to use Solid Snake, who himself is a "shadow of Big Boss" in order to execute that Moses. To some degree Solid Snake and Liquid Snake were designed from the very beginning to be "Shadows" of the real Moses (Big Boss), if the real one never worked out for them. In every sense of the word, the entire story of Metal Gear Solid 1 is cast under the shadow of Big Boss/Moses.

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** Even the Patriots have a narrative symbolism under the name Shadow Moses. The Patriots want to create a "promised land" too, and at one point desired Big Boss as their "Moses" who would have brought about that world. But they were forced to use Solid Snake, who himself is a "shadow of Big Boss" in order to execute that Moses. To some degree Solid Snake and Liquid Snake were designed from the very beginning to be "Shadows" of the real Moses (Big Boss), if the real one never worked out for them. In every sense of the word, the entire story of Metal ''Metal Gear Solid 1 1'' is cast under the shadow of Big Boss/Moses.



* A bit of fridge creepiness. Before the the Psycho Mantis fight in MGS, there are a couple of unsettling details. 1. The door at the end is closed. 2. Once Meryl becomes possessed, you notice that the first person view is.. third person - through a mask of sorts. That leads me to conclude that Psycho mantis is in that hallway, stalking you. It also points it out as when you enter the commander's room, the door waits for a second (perhaps someone's in the doorway?) until he comes inside. Creepy.

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* A bit of fridge creepiness. Before the the Psycho Mantis fight in MGS, ''MGS'', there are a couple of unsettling details. 1. The door at the end is closed. 2. Once Meryl becomes possessed, you notice that the first person view is.. third person - through a mask of sorts. That leads me to conclude that Psycho mantis Mantis is in that hallway, stalking you. It also points it out as when you enter the commander's room, the door waits for a second (perhaps someone's in the doorway?) until he comes inside. Creepy.
27th Sep '17 7:43:00 AM Brandon
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** I know that it isn't the real reason, but the "feels good" and the "nostalgic feeling" set off a different bell for me. See Mantis constantly breaks the fourth wall, right? Well, what's stopping him from doing that while dying? To me, Mantis felt nostalgic in Twin Snakes because he already had done a good deed before: In the Playstation version.
19th Feb '17 2:35:16 PM moongalleon22
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* When you think about it, in a strange sort of way, Liquid was right about the Recessive/Dominant Gene stuff. Not on a scientific level, of course, but consider this: if a clone had their DNA altered so that the recessive genes were more prominent than the dominant genes, then that clone would physically be rather different than the original (as seen with Solid Snake himself, as his figure is much less muscled and more lithe than Big Boss and Liquid). Now, if your measure of success as a clone is based on how similar you are to the original (as seems to be the case with Liquid), then of course you would interpret being altered like this as being made inferior to the original and the other clones.
22nd Jan '17 12:15:36 AM GhostlyBrony
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* The name of the military base by itself has very interesting narrative symbolism. Moses was known in the Bible as the man chosen by God to free the Jewish people from their bondage by the Egyptians, and led them across the Red Sea after it was split in two by one of God's miracles. He is revered as one of the greatest leaders of the Jews in their entire history, and the one that led them into the promised land that is now Jerusalem. The term Shadow Moses then takes on an interesting meaning when applied to two notable figures in the Metal Gear universe:

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* The name of the military base by itself has very interesting narrative symbolism. Moses was known in the Bible as the man chosen by God to free the Jewish people from their bondage by the Egyptians, and led them across the Red Sea after it was split in two by one of God's miracles. He is revered as one of the greatest leaders of the Jews in their entire history, and the one that led them into the promised land that is now Jerusalem. The term Shadow Moses then takes on becomes an interesting meaning when applied allusion to two notable figures a type of promised land, known as Outer Heaven, in the Metal Gear universe:
22nd Jan '17 12:13:05 AM GhostlyBrony
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* The name of the military base by itself has very interesting narrative symbolism. Moses was known in the Bible as the man chosen by God to free the Jewish people from their bondage by the Egyptians, and led them across the Red Sea after it was split in two by one of God's miracles. He is revered as one of the greatest leaders of the Jews in their entire history, and the one that led them into the promised land that is now Jerusalem. The term Shadow Moses then takes on an interesting meaning when applied to two notable figures in the Metal Gear universe:
** For Liquid he views Big Boss as the "Moses" who "led his people to the promised land" by becoming the military messiah who brought about a golden age of militaristic thought. Shadow Moses for him is representative of being in the "Shadow of Big Boss" or following the example of Big Boss. It takes on even more fitting symbolism when you consider that Liquid has felt for his entire life that he's overshadowed by Big Boss, and his father's legacy has dominated everything that he's become and given him no other choice but to be like him. In that case Liquid is UNDER the shadow cast by Moses (Big Boss), and he's struggling to come out from under that shadow and into the light. By doing this he hopes that he can erase that shadow, and surpass Moses (Big Boss) and become an even better leader then him -- thus creating a promised land superior to the original one.
** Even the Patriots have a narrative symbolism under the name Shadow Moses. The Patriots want to create a "promised land" too, and at one point desired Big Boss as their "Moses" who would have brought about that world. But they were forced to use Solid Snake, who himself is a "shadow of Big Boss" in order to execute that Moses. To some degree Solid Snake and Liquid Snake were designed from the very beginning to be "Shadows" of the real Moses (Big Boss), if the real one never worked out for them. In every sense of the word, the entire story of Metal Gear Solid 1 is cast under the shadow of Big Boss/Moses.
7th Jan '17 9:51:55 AM nombretomado
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* This troper was like thousands of others who got really, really annoyed with the [[YouFailBiologyForever Recessive And Dominant]] [[MotiveRant Genes Rant]] Liquid gives in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', until a bit of a replay and then some reading of [[TheLastDaysOfFoxhound a certain webcomic]] made this less of a wallbanger but some sheer brilliance. What's the best way to raise a {{Super Soldier}} that will do ''anything''? Fuck with his [[MindScrew mind]]. Tell him he's the [[CloningBlues child of the world's]] greatest soldier, but that he wasn't chosen to be a successor, because he's weaker, and that he was rejected in favor of [[CainAndAbel his brother]], do this to him all his life, while making him go through the most [[TheSpartanWay rigorous training in the world, courtesy of SAS]], and oh yea - tell him that he can't get a [[WellDoneSonGuy pat on the back by daddy]] because his brother killed him, and destroyed the WarriorHeaven that Daddy spent the latter part of his life constructing. The Dominant and Recessive Genes is just a way to drive Liquid off-rails, if he didn't [[BreakTheCutie break under the pressure]], he would be insanely devoted [[FreudianExcuse to proving everyone wrong]], he just a little nudge for how to do so. - {{Shini}}

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* This troper was like thousands of others who got really, really annoyed with the [[YouFailBiologyForever Recessive And Dominant]] [[MotiveRant Genes Rant]] Liquid gives in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', until a bit of a replay and then some reading of [[TheLastDaysOfFoxhound [[Webcomic/TheLastDaysOfFoxhound a certain webcomic]] made this less of a wallbanger but some sheer brilliance. What's the best way to raise a {{Super Soldier}} that will do ''anything''? Fuck with his [[MindScrew mind]]. Tell him he's the [[CloningBlues child of the world's]] greatest soldier, but that he wasn't chosen to be a successor, because he's weaker, and that he was rejected in favor of [[CainAndAbel his brother]], do this to him all his life, while making him go through the most [[TheSpartanWay rigorous training in the world, courtesy of SAS]], and oh yea - tell him that he can't get a [[WellDoneSonGuy pat on the back by daddy]] because his brother killed him, and destroyed the WarriorHeaven that Daddy spent the latter part of his life constructing. The Dominant and Recessive Genes is just a way to drive Liquid off-rails, if he didn't [[BreakTheCutie break under the pressure]], he would be insanely devoted [[FreudianExcuse to proving everyone wrong]], he just a little nudge for how to do so. - {{Shini}}
30th Nov '16 5:02:10 PM CrowTR0bot
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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical fourth Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why to see not Meryl die.

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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical fourth Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why way to see not Meryl not die.
18th Oct '16 4:47:41 PM dlchen145
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* This troper was like thousands of others who got really, really annoyed with the [[YouFailBiologyForever Recessive And Dominant]] [[MotiveRant Genes Rant]] Liquid gives in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', until a bit of a replay and then some reading of [[TheLastDaysOfFoxhound a certain webcomic]] made this less of a wallbanger but some sheer brilliance. What's the best way to raise a {{Super Soldier}} that will do ''anything''? Fuck with his [[MindScrew mind]]. Tell him he's the [[CloningBlues child of the world's]] [[BadAss greatest soldier]], but that he wasn't chosen to be a successor, because he's weaker, and that he was rejected in favor of [[CainAndAbel his brother]], do this to him all his life, while making him go through the most [[TheSpartanWay rigorous training in the world, courtesy of SAS]], and oh yea - tell him that he can't get a [[WellDoneSonGuy pat on the back by daddy]] because his brother killed him, and destroyed the WarriorHeaven that Daddy spent the latter part of his life constructing. The Dominant and Recessive Genes is just a way to drive Liquid off-rails, if he didn't [[BreakTheCutie break under the pressure]], he would be insanely devoted [[FreudianExcuse to proving everyone wrong]], he just a little nudge for how to do so. - {{Shini}}

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* This troper was like thousands of others who got really, really annoyed with the [[YouFailBiologyForever Recessive And Dominant]] [[MotiveRant Genes Rant]] Liquid gives in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', until a bit of a replay and then some reading of [[TheLastDaysOfFoxhound a certain webcomic]] made this less of a wallbanger but some sheer brilliance. What's the best way to raise a {{Super Soldier}} that will do ''anything''? Fuck with his [[MindScrew mind]]. Tell him he's the [[CloningBlues child of the world's]] [[BadAss greatest soldier]], soldier, but that he wasn't chosen to be a successor, because he's weaker, and that he was rejected in favor of [[CainAndAbel his brother]], do this to him all his life, while making him go through the most [[TheSpartanWay rigorous training in the world, courtesy of SAS]], and oh yea - tell him that he can't get a [[WellDoneSonGuy pat on the back by daddy]] because his brother killed him, and destroyed the WarriorHeaven that Daddy spent the latter part of his life constructing. The Dominant and Recessive Genes is just a way to drive Liquid off-rails, if he didn't [[BreakTheCutie break under the pressure]], he would be insanely devoted [[FreudianExcuse to proving everyone wrong]], he just a little nudge for how to do so. - {{Shini}}
24th Aug '16 4:46:20 PM RayAP9
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* Decoy "Octopus"? "Wouldn't something like 'Chameleon' be a better fit?" some might ask. It's relatively common knowledge that chameleons are actually poor at camouflage; their color-changing process takes minutes on end, and they tend to change more based on mood than environment. What might be less commonly known is that [[http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=260 a particular species of cephalopod aptly named the "Mimic Octopus"]] is arguably better than any known animal on Earth at the art of disguise. Not only can it change its color in seconds, but it can change its shape, skin texture, and position of its limbs to impersonate numerous sea-dwelling creatures. It's also highly intelligent, not just mimicking the appearance of other animals, but doing so based on the situation (for example, if attacked by a damselfish, it will mimic the banded sea snake, a predator who feeds on damselfishes). Sounds a lot more like what Decoy Octopus is capable of, more so than a chameleon. And the animal was discovered in 1998... the same year that ''Metal Gear Solid'' was released.
5th Oct '15 10:58:09 AM MrStath2015
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\n* The Phantom Pain [[spoiler: adds a further layer as to why Liquid would continue to trust someone seemingly as unstable as Mantis can be when Mantis proposes the idea of having Decoy Octopus pose as the DARPA chief following his (actually planned) death at Ocelot's hands. They've probably worked together for years since 1984, and Liquid actively owes Mantis his life. Mantis, meanwhile, is psychically shackled to Liquid given his bubbling hatred for Snake and Big Boss, as per the new information regarding how his abilities work]].
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