History Fridge / MetalGearSolid

30th Nov '16 5:02:10 PM CrowTR0bot
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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical fourth Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why to see not Meryl die.

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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical fourth Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why way to see not Meryl not die.
18th Oct '16 4:47:41 PM dlchen145
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* This troper was like thousands of others who got really, really annoyed with the [[YouFailBiologyForever Recessive And Dominant]] [[MotiveRant Genes Rant]] Liquid gives in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', until a bit of a replay and then some reading of [[TheLastDaysOfFoxhound a certain webcomic]] made this less of a wallbanger but some sheer brilliance. What's the best way to raise a {{Super Soldier}} that will do ''anything''? Fuck with his [[MindScrew mind]]. Tell him he's the [[CloningBlues child of the world's]] [[BadAss greatest soldier]], but that he wasn't chosen to be a successor, because he's weaker, and that he was rejected in favor of [[CainAndAbel his brother]], do this to him all his life, while making him go through the most [[TheSpartanWay rigorous training in the world, courtesy of SAS]], and oh yea - tell him that he can't get a [[WellDoneSonGuy pat on the back by daddy]] because his brother killed him, and destroyed the WarriorHeaven that Daddy spent the latter part of his life constructing. The Dominant and Recessive Genes is just a way to drive Liquid off-rails, if he didn't [[BreakTheCutie break under the pressure]], he would be insanely devoted [[FreudianExcuse to proving everyone wrong]], he just a little nudge for how to do so. - {{Shini}}

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* This troper was like thousands of others who got really, really annoyed with the [[YouFailBiologyForever Recessive And Dominant]] [[MotiveRant Genes Rant]] Liquid gives in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', until a bit of a replay and then some reading of [[TheLastDaysOfFoxhound a certain webcomic]] made this less of a wallbanger but some sheer brilliance. What's the best way to raise a {{Super Soldier}} that will do ''anything''? Fuck with his [[MindScrew mind]]. Tell him he's the [[CloningBlues child of the world's]] [[BadAss greatest soldier]], soldier, but that he wasn't chosen to be a successor, because he's weaker, and that he was rejected in favor of [[CainAndAbel his brother]], do this to him all his life, while making him go through the most [[TheSpartanWay rigorous training in the world, courtesy of SAS]], and oh yea - tell him that he can't get a [[WellDoneSonGuy pat on the back by daddy]] because his brother killed him, and destroyed the WarriorHeaven that Daddy spent the latter part of his life constructing. The Dominant and Recessive Genes is just a way to drive Liquid off-rails, if he didn't [[BreakTheCutie break under the pressure]], he would be insanely devoted [[FreudianExcuse to proving everyone wrong]], he just a little nudge for how to do so. - {{Shini}}
24th Aug '16 4:46:20 PM RayAP9
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* Decoy "Octopus"? "Wouldn't something like 'Chameleon' be a better fit?" some might ask. It's relatively common knowledge that chameleons are actually poor at camouflage; their color-changing process takes minutes on end, and they tend to change more based on mood than environment. What might be less commonly known is that [[http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=260 a particular species of cephalopod aptly named the "Mimic Octopus"]] is arguably better than any known animal on Earth at the art of disguise. Not only can it change its color in seconds, but it can change its shape, skin texture, and position of its limbs to impersonate numerous sea-dwelling creatures. It's also highly intelligent, not just mimicking the appearance of other animals, but doing so based on the situation (for example, if attacked by a damselfish, it will mimic the banded sea snake, a predator who feeds on damselfishes). Sounds a lot more like what Decoy Octopus is capable of, more so than a chameleon. And the animal was discovered in 1998... the same year that ''Metal Gear Solid'' was released.
5th Oct '15 10:58:09 AM MrStath2015
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\n* The Phantom Pain [[spoiler: adds a further layer as to why Liquid would continue to trust someone seemingly as unstable as Mantis can be when Mantis proposes the idea of having Decoy Octopus pose as the DARPA chief following his (actually planned) death at Ocelot's hands. They've probably worked together for years since 1984, and Liquid actively owes Mantis his life. Mantis, meanwhile, is psychically shackled to Liquid given his bubbling hatred for Snake and Big Boss, as per the new information regarding how his abilities work]].
21st Sep '15 1:13:39 PM Kervinle2500
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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical third Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why to see not Meryl die.

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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical third fourth Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why to see not Meryl die.
14th Aug '15 11:39:43 AM MrStath2015
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** It's more likely that, as [[spoiler: a core member of the Patriots, the bribe and persuasion needed were for show. Remember that while Armstech is developing REX and desperately needs the money from the government, and Solidus considered REX ''his'' tool against the Patriots, the Patriots were ''always'' aware of the project]].
28th Jul '15 1:05:44 PM Kervinle2500
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* Why does Snake not want to see a woman die in front of him? Answer: He saw Gustava Heffner from ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' die in front of him by Metal Gear D, the canonical third Metal Gear. It's why he goes out of his why to see not Meryl die.
24th Jul '15 6:20:17 PM nombretomado
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* At one point, Revolver Ocelot mentions being impressed by Snake's skills, and says something to the effect of "Just what I'd expect from someone with the same code name as the boss." The first time you play the game, it's obvious that "the boss" refers to Liquid Snake, who Ocelot was working for at the time. Then comes ''MetalGearSolid3'', where we learn that Big Boss (who Solid Snake is cloned from) once went by the codename "Naked Snake"... and that Ocelot knew him during this time. Maybe it was intentional, maybe not.

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* At one point, Revolver Ocelot mentions being impressed by Snake's skills, and says something to the effect of "Just what I'd expect from someone with the same code name as the boss." The first time you play the game, it's obvious that "the boss" refers to Liquid Snake, who Ocelot was working for at the time. Then comes ''MetalGearSolid3'', ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', where we learn that Big Boss (who Solid Snake is cloned from) once went by the codename "Naked Snake"... and that Ocelot knew him during this time. Maybe it was intentional, maybe not.
14th Mar '15 11:43:37 AM MightyKombat
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* This technically only applies to The Twin Snakes, although this was also mentioned in the Japanese script for Metal Gear Solid, as well. Anyways, Psycho Mantis's line of "It feels so... nostalgic" in regards to performing a good deed for Solid Snake and Meryl Silverburgh before dying seemed very confusing to some fans... until you remember that Psycho Mantis's mother died while giving birth to him, which meant he was referring to what his mother did for him before dying.
** Not to be bursting bubbles, but the line "It feels so... nostalgic" was actually in the Japanese version of the original game, and it refers to something from VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake. The line was changed to "kinda... nice." for the US localization because that game never was released here.
*** Actually, Hideo Kojima stated in the director's commentary for Metal Gear Solid that Mantis's line was actually in reference to his mother's last moments being used to give birth to him. Read it here: http://muni_shinobu.webs.com/mgs/commentary2.html
*** I know that it isn't the real reason, but the "feels good" and the "nostalgic feeling" set off a different bell for me. See Mantis constantly breaks the fourth wall, right? Well, what's stopping him from doing that while dying? To me, Mantis felt nostalgic in Twin Snakes because he already had done a good deed before: In the Playstation version.

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* This technically only applies to The Twin Snakes, although this was also mentioned in the Japanese script for Metal Gear Solid, as well. Anyways, Psycho Mantis's line of "It feels so... nostalgic" in regards to performing a good deed for Solid Snake and Meryl Silverburgh before dying seemed very confusing to some fans... until you remember that Psycho Mantis's mother died while giving birth to him, which meant he was referring to what his mother did for him before dying.
** Not to be bursting bubbles, but the line "It feels so... nostalgic" was actually in the Japanese version of the original game, and it refers to something from VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake. The line was changed to "kinda... nice." for the US localization because that game never was released here.
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dying. Stated as such by Kojima stated in the director's commentary for Metal Gear Solid that Mantis's line was actually in reference to his mother's last moments being used to give birth to him. Read it here: http://muni_shinobu.webs.com/mgs/commentary2.html
*** I know that it isn't the real reason, but the "feels good" and the "nostalgic feeling" set off a different bell for me. See Mantis constantly breaks the fourth wall, right? Well, what's stopping him from doing that while dying? To me, Mantis felt nostalgic in Twin Snakes because he already had done a good deed before: In the Playstation version.
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** Well, actually, there are plenty of reasons he could have been bribed. It could be that they ''didn't'' have to bribe him, but he took it because they were offering (ie. simple greed). Or maybe the bribe wasn't about Metal Gear specifically but about allowing ARMSTech to be the company who built it, or to ignore their financial troubles. That is assuming he was bribed at all- bribes were definitely going around, but that does not mean that he was one of the people collecting them. For all we know, the whole thing was Anderson's idea in the first place.



*** MGS 2 gets even more mind screwy when you consider not only the actual plot being a deconstruction but also an allegory to the player-character relationship. The Patriots plotted perfectly to get Raiden to do what they wanted him to. Even though you're trying to help Raiden, you're controlling to make the plot fit while looking at him from a 3rd person view. Guess what that means? I must fight The Patriots! [[FanFic/DoomRepercussionsOfEvil No player, you ARE The Patriots.]]
**** I see it as the opposite. In [=MGS3=], The Boss' tragedy, and indeed a recurring theme throughout the series, is the Patriots manipulating soldiers to do what they want them to do. Just like the player is 'manipulated' into doing what the game wants you to do. Similarly, the trend of the player-character being mocked for blindly following orders can be seen as a Take That to the player doing whatever the game tells them to do.



** That's exactly what's happening, yeah. The 'third person' view you mentioned is Mantis's view, which is exactly what happens if you use first person during the boss fight.

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** That's exactly what's happening, yeah. The 'third person' view you mentioned is Mantis's view, which is exactly what happens if you use first person during the boss fight.
17th Mar '14 10:11:20 AM MrDeath
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** Liquid thought he'd be safe because Liquid ''really'' doesn't understand genetics. According to Kojima, Liquid just plain doesn't know what he's talking about.
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