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21st Jul '17 3:35:06 PM themetalstickman
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* Tali'Zora Vas Normandy is a very brave young woman who eats geth for breakfast. So why is she so scared of the spider-like ravager spawn that are more annoying than dangerous? She grew up in a sterile ship where there were no insects. Additionally, Quarians probably never had contact with insects because their homeworld, Rannoch does not have insect life.

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* Tali'Zora Vas Tali'Zorah vas Normandy is a very brave young woman who eats geth for breakfast. So why is she so scared of the spider-like ravager spawn that are more annoying than dangerous? She grew up in a sterile ship where there were no insects. Additionally, Quarians probably never had contact with insects because their homeworld, Rannoch does not have insect life.


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** This was explained directly by Sovereign back in the first game.
---> '''Sovereign:''' [[AC:Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays; our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire.]]
5th Jul '17 5:23:20 PM Adbot
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* On Sur'Kesh, Kirrahe uses an exploding-gel pistol to take out several Cerberus guards, causing Garrus to ask "How do ''I'' not have one of those?!". Gameplay-wise, however, ''there is a reason''. Garrus can only equip ''assault rifles and sniper rifles''. The weapon in question is a ''pistol''. Garrus can't equip it even if you were to get one! (and, later in that mission, you can)

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* On Sur'Kesh, Kirrahe uses an exploding-gel pistol to take out several Cerberus guards, causing Garrus to ask "How do ''I'' not have one of those?!". Gameplay-wise, however, ''there is a reason''. Garrus He can ask this even on a NewGamePlus, where you might already have that pistol (because you first find it later in that mission). But, even then, his statement is still accurate. Why? ''He can't be equipped with pistols, only equip ''assault rifles assault and sniper rifles''. The weapon in question is a ''pistol''. Garrus can't equip it even if you were to get one! (and, later in He's probably regretting that mission, you can)decision right about now...
5th Jul '17 5:18:58 PM Adbot
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* On Sur'Kesh, Kirrahe uses an exploding-gel pistol to take out several Cerberus guards, causing Garrus to ask "How do ''I'' not have one of those?!". Gameplay-wise, however, ''there is a reason''. Garrus can only equip ''assault rifles and sniper rifles''. The weapon in question is a ''pistol''. Garrus can't equip it even if you were to get one! (and, later in that mission, you can)
15th Jun '17 4:52:46 AM Occidensill
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* Every organic species is affected by synthesis, which would mean that animals and even plant life would be affected, meaning that our entire food supply is now partially synthetic. Another point is that even some of what we breath is synthetic.

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* Every organic species is affected by synthesis, which would mean that animals and even plant life would be affected, meaning that our entire food supply is now partially synthetic. Another point is that even some of what we breath breathe is synthetic.



** The Catalyst releasing the Reapers from its control once Synthesis has been achieved is actually an even worse scenario. While the Reaper Destroyers may have been made out of species that were just trying to get by, and may be benevolent once released, the Sovereign class capital ships were made from species that dominated the galaxy during their cycle. Remember how Renegade Shepard admonishes Liara for assuming that the Protheans were as benevolent, diplomatic and cooperative like the asari are, reminding her that a species which dominated the Galaxy must have had an imperialist streak. The same applies to these Reaper Capital ships too. They most likely were aggressive imperialist colonizing types who defeated and subjugated everyone else, before they were reaped, and now those same tendencies to colonize and subjugate may manifest once the Catalyst releases them. They are already the most powerful individual weapon in the Galaxy, and they have the ability to indoctrinate organic life. With synthesis, this indoctrination ability might be boosted by the inter connectivity imposed by the merger. We will now have individual capital ships forming fiefdoms with their indoctrinated subjects, then fighting with each other to expand those fiefdoms. Conflict against the Reapers has now been replaced by Reaper on Reaper conflict with everybody forced to take one side or the other. Sweet dreams![[/folder]]

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** The Catalyst releasing the Reapers from its control once Synthesis has been achieved is actually an even worse scenario. While the Reaper Destroyers may have been made out of species that were just trying to get by, and may be benevolent once released, the Sovereign class capital ships were made from species that dominated the galaxy during their cycle. Remember how Renegade Shepard admonishes Liara for assuming that the Protheans were as benevolent, diplomatic and cooperative like the asari are, reminding her that a species which dominated the Galaxy must have had an imperialist streak. The same applies to these Reaper Capital ships too. They most likely were aggressive imperialist colonizing types who defeated and subjugated everyone else, before they were reaped, and now those same tendencies to colonize and subjugate may manifest once the Catalyst releases them. They are already the most powerful individual weapon in the Galaxy, and they have the ability to indoctrinate organic life. With synthesis, this indoctrination ability might be boosted by the inter connectivity imposed by the merger. We will now have individual capital ships forming fiefdoms with their indoctrinated subjects, then fighting with each other to expand those fiefdoms. Conflict against the Reapers has now been replaced by Reaper on Reaper conflict with everybody forced to take one side or the other. Sweet dreams![[/folder]]
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* During the Synthesis ending, EDI states that the Reapers "now bring us the collective knowledge of the cultures that came before". This reinforces a point that technically has been the case since the second games revelations concerning the Collectors and the incomplete Human Reaper - with each Reaper destroyed, so too is the ''last record of a harvested civilization'' - unless the Reapers make more than one from each civilization and keep at least one in backup somewhere, but that is never so much as implied.[[/folder]]
13th Apr '17 4:31:03 PM Gosicrystal
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** Once we find out the true nature of the Reapers, the fact that we've been killing them stops being awesome and starts being horrifying. [[spoiler:Each Reaper contains the genetic code, the sum knowledge, the history of a race of {{Precursors}} who were harvested in a previous cycle. Whenever you kill one, you are wiping out the last vestiges of said race, completing the xenocide that the Reapers started. This is especially emphasized by the Control ending, where Shepard begins utilizing the SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology of countless cycles to benefit the galaxy. What about the knowledge that Sovereign contained? The secrets known only to the mini-Reapers you fought on Tuchanka and Rannoch? LostForever.]]
** Remember what Mordin said too. [[BodyHorror "No glands replaced by tech, no digestive system replaced by tech. No soul replaced by tech"]] This applies to the Reapers too. He also claims that if these things were truly "living" even in Reaper form, you would find evidence of culture, artistic expression even. All the Reapers do is reap, harvest, construct new reapers, sanitize the galaxy of all evidence of their reaping, hibernate, monitor for organic synthetic conflict then begin all over again. No independent thought outside of Catalyst's directives, no alternate interests pursued, no philosophy, no metaphysics, no research into better superluminal propulsion, no research into astrophysics, no exploration of other galaxies. Even if that knowledge existed in preserved brains, it hasn't been put to any use for millions of years. Only slaves following Catalyst's orders. Whatever they once knew was LostForever when they were reaped, as that knowledge never saw any usage.

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** Once we find out the true nature of the Reapers, the fact that we've been killing them stops being awesome and starts being horrifying. [[spoiler:Each Reaper contains the genetic code, the sum knowledge, the history of a race of {{Precursors}} who were harvested in a previous cycle. Whenever you kill one, you are wiping out the last vestiges of said race, completing the xenocide that the Reapers started. This is especially emphasized by the Control ending, where Shepard begins utilizing the SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology of countless cycles to benefit the galaxy. What about the knowledge that Sovereign contained? The secrets known only to the mini-Reapers you fought on Tuchanka and Rannoch? LostForever.Lost for good.]]
** Remember what Mordin said too. [[BodyHorror "No glands replaced by tech, no digestive system replaced by tech. No soul replaced by tech"]] This applies to the Reapers too. He also claims that if these things were truly "living" even in Reaper form, you would find evidence of culture, artistic expression even. All the Reapers do is reap, harvest, construct new reapers, sanitize the galaxy of all evidence of their reaping, hibernate, monitor for organic synthetic conflict then begin all over again. No independent thought outside of Catalyst's directives, no alternate interests pursued, no philosophy, no metaphysics, no research into better superluminal propulsion, no research into astrophysics, no exploration of other galaxies. Even if that knowledge existed in preserved brains, it hasn't been put to any use for millions of years. Only slaves following Catalyst's orders. Whatever they once knew was LostForever lost for good when they were reaped, as that knowledge never saw any usage.
2nd Apr '17 1:02:18 PM passivesmoking
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* Mordin leaves behind a library of recordings that get delivered to you at some point during the Citadel party or its aftermath, ending with a verse of AmazingFreakingGrace. Whilst it's a very moving little moment why would he choose to sing a hymn, especially one so closely associated with death? Well in the second game it was revealed that Mordin was in the middle of a major crisis of conscience and had turned to studying the religions of many different cultures in a search for solace. He didn't find it [[spoiler: until he sacrificed his life to undo the Genophage and give the Krogan a second chance, so when he finally found solace it was in the moment of his death]]. It's probable that the lyrics to Amazing Grace were amongst the things his research into alien religion turned up, and they may have touched him in a way that he found appealing. He also suspected he wasn't coming back from Tuchanka when he assembled the recordings for Shepard, so it actually makes perfect sense that he would finish on that song.



** The Catalyst releasing the Reapers from its control once Synthesis has been achieved is actually an even worse scenario. While the Reaper Destroyers may have been made out of species that were just trying to get by, and may be benevolent once released, the Sovereign class capital ships were made from species that dominated the galaxy during their cycle. Remember how Renegade Shepard admonishes Liara for assuming that the Protheans were as benevolent, diplomatic and cooperative like the asari are, reminding her that a species which dominated the Galaxy must have had an imperialist streak. The same applies to these Reaper Capital ships too. They most likely were aggressive imperialist colonizing types who defeated and subjugated everyone else, before they were reaped, and now those same tendencies to colonize and subjugate may manifest once the Catalyst releases them. They are already the most powerful individual weapon in the Galaxy, and they have the ability to indoctrinate organic life. With synthesis, this indoctrination ability might be boosted by the inter connectivity imposed by the merger. We will now have individual capital ships forming fiefdoms with their indoctrinated subjects, then fighting with each other to expand those fiefdoms. Conflict against the Reapers has now been replaced by Reaper on Reaper conflict with everybody forced to take one side or the other. Sweet dreams!
* Mordin leaves behind a library of recordings that get delivered to you at some point during the Citadel party or its aftermath, ending with a verse of AmazingFreakingGrace. Whilst it's a very moving little moment why would he choose to sing a hymn, especially one so closely associated with death? Well in the second game it was revealed that Mordin was in the middle of a major crisis of conscience and had turned to studying the religions of many different cultures in a search for solace. He didn't find it [[spoiler: until he sacrificed his life to undo the Genophage and give the Krogan a second chance, so when he finally found solace it was in the moment of his death]]. It's probable that the lyrics to Amazing Grace were amongst the things his research into alien religion turned up, and they may have touched him in a way that he found appealing. He also suspected he wasn't coming back from Tuchanka when he assembled the recordings for Shepard, so it actually makes perfect sense that he would finish on that song.
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** The Catalyst releasing the Reapers from its control once Synthesis has been achieved is actually an even worse scenario. While the Reaper Destroyers may have been made out of species that were just trying to get by, and may be benevolent once released, the Sovereign class capital ships were made from species that dominated the galaxy during their cycle. Remember how Renegade Shepard admonishes Liara for assuming that the Protheans were as benevolent, diplomatic and cooperative like the asari are, reminding her that a species which dominated the Galaxy must have had an imperialist streak. The same applies to these Reaper Capital ships too. They most likely were aggressive imperialist colonizing types who defeated and subjugated everyone else, before they were reaped, and now those same tendencies to colonize and subjugate may manifest once the Catalyst releases them. They are already the most powerful individual weapon in the Galaxy, and they have the ability to indoctrinate organic life. With synthesis, this indoctrination ability might be boosted by the inter connectivity imposed by the merger. We will now have individual capital ships forming fiefdoms with their indoctrinated subjects, then fighting with each other to expand those fiefdoms. Conflict against the Reapers has now been replaced by Reaper on Reaper conflict with everybody forced to take one side or the other. Sweet dreams!
* Mordin leaves behind a library of recordings that get delivered to you at some point during the Citadel party or its aftermath, ending with a verse of AmazingFreakingGrace. Whilst it's a very moving little moment why would he choose to sing a hymn, especially one so closely associated with death? Well in the second game it was revealed that Mordin was in the middle of a major crisis of conscience and had turned to studying the religions of many different cultures in a search for solace. He didn't find it [[spoiler: until he sacrificed his life to undo the Genophage and give the Krogan a second chance, so when he finally found solace it was in the moment of his death]]. It's probable that the lyrics to Amazing Grace were amongst the things his research into alien religion turned up, and they may have touched him in a way that he found appealing. He also suspected he wasn't coming back from Tuchanka when he assembled the recordings for Shepard, so it actually makes perfect sense that he would finish on that song.
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2nd Apr '17 1:01:21 PM passivesmoking
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* Mordin leaves behind a library of recordings that get delivered to you at some point during the Citadel party or its aftermath, ending with a verse of AmazingFreakingGrace. Whilst it's a very moving little moment why would he choose to sing a hymn, especially one so closely associated with death? Well in the second game it was revealed that Mordin was in the middle of a major crisis of conscience and had turned to studying the religions of many different cultures in a search for solace. He didn't find it [[spoiler: until he sacrificed his life to undo the Genophage and give the Krogan a second chance, so when he finally found solace it was in the moment of his death]]. It's probable that the lyrics to Amazing Grace were amongst the things his research into alien religion turned up, and they may have touched him in a way that he found appealing. He also suspected he wasn't coming back from Tuchanka when he assembled the recordings for Shepard, so it actually makes perfect sense that he would finish on that song.
12th Feb '17 12:39:44 PM MarqFJA
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* Why was there no Miracle of Earth like there was a Miracle of Palaven? After all humans are supposed to be almost as formidable a military as the Turians, and they have been fighting the Reapers longer. So why is Earth considered fallen? The codex reveals why - the Systems Alliance is a representation of space programs and extra-terrestrial colonies. It is not a supranational government on Earth akin to the UN. The Alliance has direct authority over space fleets and colonies but not over Earth and its nation states' militaries. Those are still controlled by their respective governments. So even if Hackett wanted to, he would have faced an uphill battle convincing all these national militaries to unify and ward of a Reaper attack, and possibly even countermand the "lawful" orders of their civilian superiors who might be indoctrinated. Also the Alliance does not garrison colonies to be able to defend themselves outright. They station scouts who observe and report, then bug out and try to stay alive until the fleet arrives. The Turians on the other hand are 100% militarized. That is why they can hold on to Palaven - albeit with their infantry bolstered by Krogan and all their heavy logistics taken care of by the Quarians. Earth's forces are disorganized, routed and require someone to marshal them together. That is why Anderson stays behind - he knows someone needs to do this.
* Arcturus Station falls so easily because the Reapers used a gaping hole in human military doctrine against them. Arcturus is a jump off point for the fleets, very much like how a carrier is a jump off point for fighters. The fleets MO of lying in wait and responding to attacks is very much like aircraft on alert 5 or on BARCAP flying close to the mothership and sortying to a location if bogies are spotted. This is in effect a long range power projector. The issue with long range power projectors like carriers is that if a small force sneaks by the close in defenses, it can do a tremendous amount of damage. Similarly if some fleet were to swarm into the Arcturus system, it can catch the fleets there with little to no room to maneuver. The relays are probably deliberately placed at key locations by the Reapers to make Arcturus a poor spot to defend due to insufficient room to maneuver between the red supergiant and the relays. But then the Alliance expects a more conventional type of attack where border colonies like those in the Traverse or the Verge are attacked first before any move can be made on Arcturus. They expect any enemy to consolidate over a border colony and secure their supply line before pressing on, but won't get that chance due to a devastating response by a rapid reaction fleet. However when there is no attack on a border colony, due to the Reapers not needing to secure supply lines, this rapid reaction force is completely in the dark until the bogies are engaging them too close for comfort. It is as if a group of gunships bypassed all the fighters and got within firing range of the carrier. With no room to maneuver the carriers could be picked off. Once they're gone, the station is easy pickings.

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* Why was there no Miracle of Earth like there was a Miracle of Palaven? After all humans are supposed to be almost as formidable a military as the Turians, and they have been fighting the Reapers longer. So why is Earth considered fallen? The codex reveals why - the Systems Alliance is a representation of space programs and extra-terrestrial colonies. It is not a supranational government on Earth akin to the UN. The Alliance has direct authority over space fleets and colonies but not over Earth and its nation states' militaries. Those are still controlled by their respective governments. So even if Hackett wanted to, he would have faced an uphill battle convincing all these national militaries to unify and ward of off a Reaper attack, and possibly even countermand the "lawful" orders of their civilian superiors who might be indoctrinated. Also the Alliance does not garrison colonies to be able to defend themselves outright. They station scouts who observe and report, then bug out and try to stay alive until the fleet arrives. The Turians on the other hand are 100% militarized. That is why they can hold on to Palaven - albeit with their infantry bolstered by Krogan and all their heavy logistics taken care of by the Quarians. Earth's forces are disorganized, routed and require someone to marshal them together. That is why Anderson stays behind - he knows someone needs to do this.
* Arcturus Station falls so easily because the Reapers used a gaping hole in human military doctrine against them. Arcturus is a jump off point for the fleets, very much like how a carrier is a jump off point for fighters. The fleets fleets' MO of lying in wait and responding to attacks is very much like aircraft on alert 5 or on BARCAP flying close to the mothership and sortying to a location if bogies are spotted. This is in effect a long range power projector. The issue with long range power projectors like carriers is that if a small force sneaks by the close in close-in defenses, it can do a tremendous amount of damage. Similarly if some fleet were to swarm into the Arcturus system, it can catch the fleets there with little to no room to maneuver. The relays are probably deliberately placed at key locations by the Reapers to make Arcturus a poor spot to defend due to insufficient room to maneuver between the red supergiant and the relays. But then the Alliance expects a more conventional type of attack where border colonies like those in the Traverse or the Verge are attacked first before any move can be made on Arcturus. They expect any enemy to consolidate over a border colony and secure their supply line before pressing on, but won't get that chance due to a devastating response by a rapid reaction fleet. However when there is no attack on a border colony, due to the Reapers not needing to secure supply lines, this rapid reaction force is completely in the dark until the bogies are engaging them too close for comfort. It is as if a group of gunships bypassed all the fighters and got within firing range of the carrier. With no room to maneuver the carriers could be picked off. Once they're gone, the station is easy pickings.
18th Jan '17 5:14:03 PM Gorank
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* TheReveal of Brooks being the one who authored the various squadmates' dossiers in the second game, also explains a marked difference between your squadmates recruited pre-Horizon and post Horizon. The first batch are [[SociopathicSoldier Zaeed]], [[ClassyCatBurglar Kasumi]], [[TykeBomb Jack]], [[DesignerBabies Miranda]], [[MilitaryMaverick Jacob]], [[VigilanteMan Arkangel]], [[DeadlyDoctor Mordin]] and [[OldSoldier Okeer]]. Note that the majority of these people are humans, Arkangel's identity is initially unknown, leaving open the very slight possibility of him being a human as well, and two alien scientists, one of whom Shepard actually intends to turn over to Cerberus interrogators (Okeer). This makes sense, due to Brooks' complaint about breaking with the Illusive man over Cerberus working with aliens. Recruiting Garrus, Mordin and activating Grunt, was most likely what convinced her that Shepard and TIM weren't racist enough for Brooks. So, what does she do? She develops dossiers for Tali, who loathes Cerberus over the events of Literature/MassEffectAscension, and may not be inclined to cooperate with Shepard, Samara the [[ThePaladin justicar]] whose rigid code could also turn her against ashepard, and Thane [[YouSeeImDying who is dying you see,]] but that fact was conveniently omitted from the dossier, but is apparently well known enough that the Shadow Broker found out about it. In summary, this second batch of squadmates might be especially problematic for Shepard. This was Brooks saying to them "You want to work with those damned aliens? ''Fine!!'' Lets see you work with this group!"

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* TheReveal of Brooks being the one who authored the various squadmates' dossiers in the second game, also explains a marked difference between your squadmates recruited pre-Horizon and post Horizon. The first batch are [[SociopathicSoldier Zaeed]], [[ClassyCatBurglar Kasumi]], [[TykeBomb Jack]], [[DesignerBabies Miranda]], [[MilitaryMaverick Jacob]], [[VigilanteMan Arkangel]], [[DeadlyDoctor Mordin]] and [[OldSoldier Okeer]]. Note that the majority of these people are humans, Arkangel's identity is initially unknown, leaving open the very slight possibility of him being a human as well, and two alien scientists, one of whom Shepard actually intends to turn over to Cerberus interrogators (Okeer). This makes sense, due to Brooks' complaint about breaking with the Illusive man over Cerberus working with aliens. Recruiting Garrus, Mordin and activating Grunt, was most likely what convinced her that Shepard and TIM weren't racist enough for Brooks. So, what does she do? She develops dossiers for Tali, who loathes Cerberus over the events of Literature/MassEffectAscension, and may not be inclined to cooperate with Shepard, Samara the [[ThePaladin justicar]] whose rigid code could also turn her against ashepard, Shepard, and Thane [[YouSeeImDying who is dying you see,]] but that fact was conveniently omitted from the dossier, but is apparently well known enough that the Shadow Broker found out about it. In summary, this second batch of squadmates might be especially problematic for Shepard. This was Brooks saying to them "You want to work with those damned aliens? ''Fine!!'' Lets see you work with this group!"
15th Jan '17 5:45:48 AM manofwarb
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* TheReveal of Brooks being the one who authored the various squadmates' dossiers in the second game, also explains a marked difference between your squadmates recruited pre-Horizon and post Horizon. The first batch are [[SociopathicSoldier Zaeed]], [[ClassyCatBurglar Kasumi]], [[TykeBomb Jack]], [[DesignerBabies Miranda]], [[MilitaryMaverick Jacob]], [[VigilanteMan Arkangel]], [[DeadlyDoctor Mordin]] and [[OldSoldier Okeer]]. Note that the majority of these people are humans, Arkangel's identity is initially unknown, leaving open the very slight possibility of him being a human as well, and two alien scientists, one of whom Shepard actually intends to turn over to Cerberus interrogators (Okeer). This makes sense, due to Brooks' complaint about breaking with the Illusive man over Cerberus working with aliens. Recruiting Garrus, Mordin and activating Grunt, was most likely what convinced her that Shepard and TIM weren't racist enough for Brooks. So, what does she do? She develops dossiers for Tali, who loathes Cerberus over the events of Literature/MassEffectAscension, and may not be inclined to cooperate with Shepard, Samara the [[ThePaladin justicar]] whose rigid code could also turn her against ashepard, and Thane [[YouSeeImDying who is dying you see,]] but that fact was conveniently omitted from the dossier, but is apparently well known enough that the Shadow Broker found out about it. In summary, this second batch of squadmates might be especially problematic for Shepard. This was Brooks saying to them "You want to work with those damned aliens? ''Fine!!'' Lets see you work with this group!"
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