History Fridge / LawAbidingCitizen

18th Jun '16 4:49:31 PM Mikedem2
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* Clyde offering his cellmate half of his expensive lunch. An act of friendship? No, he was [[spoiler:giving him a last meal before his execution.]]
7th Jun '16 4:41:27 PM bhawk11
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* A Main/BlinkAndYoullMissIt - When Clyde is talking to Nick outside the prison, he says "This is Von Clausewitz shit-- total fucking war". This is in reference to Von Clausewitz's "Third Reciprocal Action", which basically says that to defeat an enemy you must completely annihilate them. That is why he wants to kill everyone in the Justice Department, and explains his targeting of the city hall meeting at the end.

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* A Main/BlinkAndYoullMissIt Blink And You'll Miss It - When Clyde is talking to Nick outside the prison, he says "This is Von Clausewitz shit-- total fucking war". This is in reference to Von Clausewitz's "Third Reciprocal Action", which basically says that to defeat an enemy you must completely annihilate them. That is why he wants to kill everyone in the Justice Department, and explains his targeting of the city hall meeting at the end.
7th Jun '16 4:39:06 PM bhawk11
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* A Main/BlinkAndYoullMissIt - When Clyde is talking to Nick outside the prison, he says "This is Von Clausewitz shit-- total fucking war". This is in reference to Von Clausewitz's "Third Reciprocal Action", which basically says that to defeat an enemy you must completely annihilate them. That is why he wants to kill everyone in the Justice Department, and explains his targeting of the city hall meeting at the end.
15th Mar '15 3:26:23 PM TerrorToad
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** Nick is an idiotic slimeball. Bribing his way through law school would not be out of character for him.
27th Jan '15 8:03:44 AM maxwellsilver
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* Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something? Compounding this is that letting a child murderer plea out would destroy any career he might have had as a DA.

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* Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something? Compounding this is that letting a child murderer plea out would destroy any career he might have had as a DA.DA.
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27th Jan '15 8:03:35 AM maxwellsilver
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* Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?
** Compounding this is that letting a child murderer plea out would destroy any career he might of had as a DA.

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* Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?
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something? Compounding this is that letting a child murderer plea out would destroy any career he might of have had as a DA.
4th Dec '14 2:04:26 AM aoirann
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* Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?

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* Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?something?
** Compounding this is that letting a child murderer plea out would destroy any career he might of had as a DA.
23rd Nov '14 9:36:50 PM creader
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* FridgeBrilliance: Clyde spent 10 years planning every detail of his rampage, taking into account everything from [[spoiler: obscure legal precedents to the probable funeral arrangements of Nick's understudy.]] The only thing he missed? [[spoiler: Mere days before the plot, after he stopped researching and plotting, the understudy ditches her old man and gets a new one, [[SpannerInTheWorks Who has the ability to blow the cover provided by his Panama corporation.]]]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: Clyde spent 10 years planning every detail of his rampage, taking into account everything from [[spoiler: obscure legal precedents to the probable funeral arrangements of Nick's understudy.]] The only thing he missed? [[spoiler: Mere days before the plot, after he stopped researching and plotting, the understudy ditches her old man and gets a new one, [[SpannerInTheWorks Who has the ability to blow the cover provided by his Panama corporation.]]]]



* FridgeLogic: Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?

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* FridgeLogic: Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?
9th Jan '14 3:12:30 PM SilentStranger
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** More FridgeBrilliance: Clyde said that he was going to "bring down the temple" and that it will be "biblical". He hinted of his own [[spoiler: death, just like Samson]], which was part of his plan.

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** More FridgeBrilliance: Clyde said that he was going to "bring down the temple" and that it will be "biblical". He hinted of his own [[spoiler: death, just like Samson]], which was part of his plan.plan.
* FridgeLogic: Nick insists that the system works, even though he literally let a violent criminal go, just so he could keep a track record going. Did he buy his way through law school or something?
27th Aug '11 4:17:34 PM Zaptech
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** More FridgeBrilliance: Clyde said that he was going to "bring down the temple" and that it will be "biblical". He hinted of his own [[spoiler: death, just like Samson]], which was part of his plan.
* FridgeLogic: Wait, so they offer the plea agreement to the more obviously guilty man? The one that most juries would have convected even with little evidence?
** Agreed. It didn't help that Darby was visibly trying to keep from laughing his ass of as he signed the agreement. Also, why didn't Nick try to get the other guy to testify against Darby? He deserved life in prison for sure, but he was clearly the lesser evil.
** More FridgeLogic, the CrazyPrepared EvilGenius guy [[spoiler: who engineers killing devices for a living]] had a totally unfortified house, no security cameras or even a peephole at the door. How could a guy [[spoiler: with that kind of job]] not be even a little paranoid about opening his door for strangers?
*** And on that same thought, [[spoiler: why did his secret tunnels not have any traps or alarms? You'd think that someone who plans so thoroughly would have at least a shotgun trap or a land mine in there.]]
*** On the latter note, he has to use them regularly. Death traps aren't too useful if you keep having to disarm them because you need to do something. And if he can disarm them from either side, then so can someone else. As for the former, note that there are none we see but that's not to say there aren't any there. It also assumes that he's paranoid about that sort of thing; being that he killed someone with a bone, conventional security may not exactly be something he worries about. As well, he wasn't his job until after his mind broke; it's not like, say, the people that build jet fighters worry about turning their homes into bunkers.
**** The crowning moment of Fridge Logic for me was this - [[spoiler:why, in the name of all that is FUCKING holy, did the cells designed to hold isolated, dangerous people have a door at the back, let alone one that can be opened from the inside? If I was the governor of that prison, and I found out it had been built for no apparent reason with an easily accessible escape route, I'd blow my brains out out of utter shame.]]
***** [[spoiler:It's more reasonable to expect that they ''didn't'' have an escape route out the back, and that Clyde added the modifications himself]].
***** [[spoiler:Too bad similar things happened in real life. Prisoners have ripped out their toilets and escaped through the back, and that's ''without'' having several months of uninterrupted time and lots of money to dig a tunnel to the back of several cells and being a genius engineer.]]
*** [[spoiler:How did Nick manage to get the bomb into the jail, security would have checked for it, and he would have been arrested.]]
**** [[spoiler:He used the tunnel.]]
**** [[spoiler: Regarding the tunnel, Clyde would have won if he had just covered the other side of the tunnel instead of leaving it bare. Even if the plan says that the police should never be there, it's still a mostly abandoned garage. Any random hobo could have stumbled in and ruined everything.]]
**** [[spoiler:A hobo with ''bolt-cutters'', yes. As for regular robbers, it's an active garage with the owner coming and going at odd hours, within a stone's throw of a prison.]]
* [[spoiler:Clyde is smart enough to successfully pull off an entire movie of [[strike:[[XanatosRoulette Xanatos Gambits]]]] [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambits]], yet is still so stupid as to place his masterpiece in plain sight. [[WhattheHellHero What the hell, Anti-Hero?]]]]
** Forget [[spoiler: the bomb,]] why the hell did he [[spoiler: leave the cleaning cart in the middle of a hallway, where anyone walking around or using the security cameras would note it being out of place?]]
** [[spoiler:Not so much stupid as ''insane''. After all, he ''was'' the entire cleaning company, and almost certainly knew the guards' patterns and habits.]]
** Also, [[spoiler:why didn't he have a camera watching the bomb when he had them watching everything else.]]
** or why didn't he [[spoiler:Put an alarm on his cell/property to let him know someone else was in there?]]
** Not to mention[[spoiler: anti-tamper devices--there are a variety of ways to rig an IED so it goes off if moved--and someone much less adept than Clyde can employ them]]
*** This troper got the impression that [[spoiler: Shelton intentionally made his plans simple to stop, once they were willing to cross the line and break the law to stop him.]]
*** None of you are considering the fact that he didn't expect the "good" guys to figure out the warehouse [[spoiler: next to the prison]], nor them breaking in and figuring out his plan. There is even a point where Nick points out that if they change anything, do anything not in accordance to Clyde's plan, he will figure out that something is up.
*** How did Nick get back to the prison cell first and put the bomb in there when Clyde was already on his way back when they got their hands on the bomb?
**** Clyde had to go around a bunch of police check points. The movie deliberately shows him having to take detours, like going through an underground parking lot.
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** More FridgeBrilliance: Clyde said that he was going to "bring down the temple" and that it will be "biblical". He hinted of his own [[spoiler: death, just like Samson]], which was part of his plan.
* FridgeLogic: Wait, so they offer the plea agreement to the more obviously guilty man? The one that most juries would have convected even with little evidence?
** Agreed. It didn't help that Darby was visibly trying to keep from laughing his ass of as he signed the agreement. Also, why didn't Nick try to get the other guy to testify against Darby? He deserved life in prison for sure, but he was clearly the lesser evil.
** More FridgeLogic, the CrazyPrepared EvilGenius guy [[spoiler: who engineers killing devices for a living]] had a totally unfortified house, no security cameras or even a peephole at the door. How could a guy [[spoiler: with that kind of job]] not be even a little paranoid about opening his door for strangers?
*** And on that same thought, [[spoiler: why did his secret tunnels not have any traps or alarms? You'd think that someone who plans so thoroughly would have at least a shotgun trap or a land mine in there.]]
*** On the latter note, he has to use them regularly. Death traps aren't too useful if you keep having to disarm them because you need to do something. And if he can disarm them from either side, then so can someone else. As for the former, note that there are none we see but that's not to say there aren't any there. It also assumes that he's paranoid about that sort of thing; being that he killed someone with a bone, conventional security may not exactly be something he worries about. As well, he wasn't his job until after his mind broke; it's not like, say, the people that build jet fighters worry about turning their homes into bunkers.
**** The crowning moment of Fridge Logic for me was this - [[spoiler:why, in the name of all that is FUCKING holy, did the cells designed to hold isolated, dangerous people have a door at the back, let alone one that can be opened from the inside? If I was the governor of that prison, and I found out it had been built for no apparent reason with an easily accessible escape route, I'd blow my brains out out of utter shame.]]
***** [[spoiler:It's more reasonable to expect that they ''didn't'' have an escape route out the back, and that Clyde added the modifications himself]].
***** [[spoiler:Too bad similar things happened in real life. Prisoners have ripped out their toilets and escaped through the back, and that's ''without'' having several months of uninterrupted time and lots of money to dig a tunnel to the back of several cells and being a genius engineer.]]
*** [[spoiler:How did Nick manage to get the bomb into the jail, security would have checked for it, and he would have been arrested.]]
**** [[spoiler:He used the tunnel.]]
**** [[spoiler: Regarding the tunnel, Clyde would have won if he had just covered the other side of the tunnel instead of leaving it bare. Even if the plan says that the police should never be there, it's still a mostly abandoned garage. Any random hobo could have stumbled in and ruined everything.]]
**** [[spoiler:A hobo with ''bolt-cutters'', yes. As for regular robbers, it's an active garage with the owner coming and going at odd hours, within a stone's throw of a prison.]]
* [[spoiler:Clyde is smart enough to successfully pull off an entire movie of [[strike:[[XanatosRoulette Xanatos Gambits]]]] [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambits]], yet is still so stupid as to place his masterpiece in plain sight. [[WhattheHellHero What the hell, Anti-Hero?]]]]
** Forget [[spoiler: the bomb,]] why the hell did he [[spoiler: leave the cleaning cart in the middle of a hallway, where anyone walking around or using the security cameras would note it being out of place?]]
** [[spoiler:Not so much stupid as ''insane''. After all, he ''was'' the entire cleaning company, and almost certainly knew the guards' patterns and habits.]]
** Also, [[spoiler:why didn't he have a camera watching the bomb when he had them watching everything else.]]
** or why didn't he [[spoiler:Put an alarm on his cell/property to let him know someone else was in there?]]
** Not to mention[[spoiler: anti-tamper devices--there are a variety of ways to rig an IED so it goes off if moved--and someone much less adept than Clyde can employ them]]
*** This troper got the impression that [[spoiler: Shelton intentionally made his plans simple to stop, once they were willing to cross the line and break the law to stop him.]]
*** None of you are considering the fact that he didn't expect the "good" guys to figure out the warehouse [[spoiler: next to the prison]], nor them breaking in and figuring out his plan. There is even a point where Nick points out that if they change anything, do anything not in accordance to Clyde's plan, he will figure out that something is up.
*** How did Nick get back to the prison cell first and put the bomb in there when Clyde was already on his way back when they got their hands on the bomb?
**** Clyde had to go around a bunch of police check points. The movie deliberately shows him having to take detours, like going through an underground parking lot.
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