History Fridge / KingdomHeartsII

2nd Feb '16 11:02:32 PM Karxrida
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** It gets even better. Why didn't Xemnas use any of the weapons of the Organization who died in ChainofMemories? [[spoiler: Because, according to the ending of RE coded and Dream Drop Distance, those members are already back as their original selves.]]
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** It gets even better. Why didn't Xemnas use any of the weapons of the Organization who died in ChainofMemories? VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories? [[spoiler: Because, according to the ending of RE coded and Dream Drop Distance, those members are already back as their original selves.]]
15th Jan '16 9:02:00 PM Kuruni
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* Along with many other people, I cringed at Seifer's [[TotallyRadical terrible use of Net Speak out loud]] during the prologue of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. Then, once it's revealed that [[spoiler:he's actually a digital copy of Seifer inside a computer-generated Twilight Town]] it becomes a brilliant bit of {{Foreshadowing}}. [[spoiler:He talks like someone on a computer because he IS in a computer.]] - SerenYGogledd ** There's also the fact that [[spoiler:it's a computer programmed by an old man who has spent his entire life doing scientific research and has spent a decade in the Realm of Nothingness, meaning this guy has no idea how young people really act.]] ** In a similar fashion, the GameplayAndStorySegregation involving the jobs you have to do to earn munny. The jobs are the same every time because [[spoiler: it's a computer program so it's just repeating over and over again]]. * At first I wondered why the Dusks were grabbing the falling hearts near the end of Kingdom Hearts II and being just as bad as the the Heartless, when it hit me. Organization XIII was keeping hearts that might have been rightfully the Dusks', and they couldn't get them back until know. This Fridge Brilliance shows why the Organization was evil: they were keeping hearts that belonged to other people for their own selfish purposes. - Redtutel ** In ''Kingdom Hearts II'', this editor was bothered by Stitch appearing out of nowhere to screw with the heroes and participate in the 1000 Heartless fight with no explanation. Then I remembered that Stitch did the exact same thing in all the ads for his film, and it became a good MythologyGag. *** And then ''Birth By Sleep'' came out and replaced this with another one; Stitch actually came to Sora's aid because of the events of the prequel: [[spoiler:He ''recognizes Sora as Ventus''.]] ** Well, it's either that, or he got tossed into the game because [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Japan loves Stitch similarly to Tingle]], similarly to Chernabog. ** Stitch actually calls out Sora's name when you summon him. It's a bit hard to hear it with Stitch's "frog-stuck-in-throat" voice, though. *** I think that Sora reminds the alien of Ventus; thus, as soon as Sora was inside the computer, Stitch left a charm behind for him to find as a token of friendship, which became a summon charm thanks to Sora's magic.

* FridgeBrilliance: This troper just realized, that for every Organization boss except the last, you beat them by being better than what they are best at. Demyx you basically out dance (during his water clone move), Xaldin you out lance (if you take the time to use learn), Xigbar you out snipe, Luxord you out gamble, and Saix you out berserk. ** In Final Mix, Roxas out-wields Sora two Keyblades to one, but Sora can take his Keyblades to out-wield him three to none.

* [[ShadicTheHedgehog This troper]] realized that Axel's exclamation of "Two?!" to Roxas's pulling out two Keyblades wasn't because he had only fought him with one before. It's because he ''only had one the whole time Axel knew him!'' Throughout all of [=KHDays=], Roxas only used one Keyblade, until died. The cutscene afterwards, he pulls out two Kingdom Keys, his original one and Xion's, before transforming both into Oblivion and Oathkeeper. Roxas fought Riku and won, then lost, and was put into Digital Twilight Town, where [=KH2=] starts. ** Then [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]] implies that that wasn't Xion's keyblade, but actually [[spoiler: Ventus'. As he was harbouring his heart, the experience of losing someone dear to him made Ventus' heart respond due to a similar experience of losing his friends Aqua and Terra (They're not dead but whatever), awakening his keyblade. The keyblade cannot be Xion's as it is a fake made by Sora's memories of using the Keyblade]] * I always thought that Axel's whole obsession with Roxas was a bit overly laden with the HoYay; I mean, he goes crazy because he doesn't remember him. It seemed a bit crazy for a so called friendship, but then I played ''358/2 Days'' and it hit me. Axel's obsessed with Roxas, not just because he's his friend, but because Axel's feelings for Roxas aren't just from one friendship, [[spoiler:it's because he was actually good friends with Xion also, but when she disappeared, one of the two friends in the whole world disappeared from their memories, but not from existence. The events still happen, but neither of them remember them anymore, so instead of Roxas being one of his friends who left, Axel remembers only Roxas for all those good times. Twice the memories and feelings in one friendship, just to have him walk away, must've unhinged him. Not to mention that both made him feel like he had a heart, something he hadn't felt and couldn't possibly comprehend.]] ** I always thought it was because of the horrible terms he and Roxas parted ways on. Roxas left thinking that Axel had betrayed him and kept secrets from him and used him just like everyone else (which, in a sense, he did), and no matter how much he tried to ignore it, Axel couldn't stand that. For someone who hadn't felt a shred of emotion in over ten years, the guilt probably drove him crazy. [[spoiler:In that sense, maybe his HeroicSacrifice wasn't so heroic after all, but we'll see. I'm betting on some serious redemption for this guy; he had to have been included in the BBS ending for a reason.]] *** By DDD though, the troper's first post basically fits. [[spoiler: One example was the promise Axel made to Xion to "always bring them back." Axel/Lea in DDD thought that he made that promise to Roxas instead. That's why before he woke up, he dreamt Roxas repeating that promise even though the real Roxas didn't even know about that promise.]] ** Axel's relationship with Sora/Roxas takes on another dimension in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''. In Radiant Garden, Lea explained he wanted to live in as many people's memories as he could and unilaterally proclaimed himself and Ventus friends. [[spoiler:The Secret Ending, where Namine, Axel and Xion are shown reinforces Namine's assertion in [=KH2=] that their hearts will remember even if they don't recognize each other -- even if they cease to exist (like Xion). When Ventus's heart returned to Sora, his connection with Lea carried over as well.]] Thus, when Axel met Roxas [[spoiler:looking like Ventus did 10 years ago, and carrying Ventus' connection to Axel as he was before becoming a Nobody]], the memory of his heart began to return. --LKM *** Holy sh--! Gives an ''entirely'' new meaning to --->"Let's meet again, in the next life." --->"Yeah. I'll be waiting." * So this troper has noticed, all the complaints about Riku leaping off the Altar Of Naught (I could be wrong about the name -You're not. nightelf37-) at the end of this game and boarding a flying motorcycle. But I've realized something. In KH1 "Ansem" (who had been using Riku's body, albeit remolding it) had connected himself and his guardian to the World of Chaos. Before I go on, it was a theory for quite some time that The World That Never Was was End of the World's nobody. Now people tend to think that it was simply an artificial world. Despite this, it's possible that Riku's "flying motorcycle" was the nobody of World of Chaos! He could sense it coming for him and Sora due to his connection to Xehanort's Heartless. ** [[VoodooShark That's a pretty small nobody for such a huge heartless.]] More likely, the motorcycle is just that; a motorcycle. But it also might've been how Riku got into the Castle that Never Was in the first place. Remember, Sora had to use a light bridge to get in, and by then, Riku was already in the castle helping Kairi deal with Saix. Riku knew where it was because he was the one who parked it there.
15th Jan '16 3:45:40 AM Alexia
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*** To add a bit to the Sa´x example above, and the fact that Xehanort also marked Sora (the X on his clothes, and the "As your flesh bears the sigil" quote implies it might actually be on his body, but that is a bit of Fridge Logic though) it could be that Xehanort marks Vessels he doesn't quite trust too well. It might be slightly like [[Supernatural]]'s devil trap sigils; that the X on Sa´x's face "locks" him to Xehanort and basically prevents him from betraying him if he wanted, or enables Xehanort to track him down like with Sora in DDD, or all the "ideal candidates" are marked like Sa´x and Sora in some way to lead Young Master Xehanort to them when picking them up. It's far-fetched, but the thought slightly freaks me out.
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*** To add a bit to the Sa´x example above, and the fact that Xehanort also marked Sora (the X on his clothes, and the "As your flesh bears the sigil" quote implies it might actually be on his body, but that is a bit of Fridge Logic though) it could be that Xehanort marks Vessels he doesn't quite trust too well. It might be slightly like [[Supernatural]]'s Supernatural's devil trap sigils; that the X on Sa´x's face "locks" him to Xehanort and basically prevents him from betraying him if he wanted, or enables Xehanort to track him down like with Sora in DDD, or all the "ideal candidates" are marked like Sa´x and Sora in some way to lead Young Master Xehanort to them when picking them up. It's far-fetched, but the thought slightly freaks me out.
15th Jan '16 3:45:11 AM Alexia
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*** To add a bit to the Sa´x example above, and the fact that Xehanort also marked Sora (the X on his clothes, and the "As your flesh bears the sigil" quote implies it might actually be on his body, but that is a bit of Fridge Logic though) it could be that Xehanort marks Vessels he doesn't quite trust too well. It might be slightly like [[Supernatural]]'s devil trap sigils; that the X on Sa´x's face "locks" him to Xehanort and basically prevents him from betraying him if he wanted, or enables Xehanort to track him down like with Sora in DDD, or all the "ideal candidates" are marked like Sa´x and Sora in some way to lead Young Master Xehanort to them when picking them up. It's far-fetched, but the thought slightly freaks me out.
15th Jan '16 3:35:24 AM Alexia
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*** In Chain of Memories it could be the fact that NaminÚ manipulating his memories causes such cognitive dissonance in his mind that it's beginning to render him unbalanced. If you take close notice, he isn't cold and compassionate at the beginning of KHCOM, just a bit bewildered. As he begins forgetting things and remembering things he shouldn't remember (the fake memories) the cognitive dissonance grows, and the fact that the fake NaminÚ memories come in bit by bit, instead of just instantly, causes even more conflict in his mind. The cognitive dissonance and contradictions in his mind render him unbalanced, and the true Fridge Horror of it all? It was Marluxia's plan to render him insane and "bind" his heart (as Vexen says right before his 2nd boss fight) and then make him a puppet to fight Xemnas and take over the Organization. If NaminÚ didn't put him back, then Sora would eventually have ended up either completely insane, a catatonic mess or both. Also note that his behavior in KH2 (while at times cold, like with the "losing Donald to the curse of the treasure" joke) is not at all like in KHCOM's last hours. In the fully-voiced cutscenes from the PS2 version of Chain of Memories it might be more easy to notice due to the fact the old game just has sprites and dialog boxes.
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*** In Chain of Memories it could be the fact that NaminÚ manipulating his memories causes such cognitive dissonance in his mind that it's beginning to render him unbalanced. If you take close notice, he isn't cold and compassionate uncompassionate at the beginning of KHCOM, [=KHCoM=], just a bit bewildered. As he begins forgetting things and remembering things he shouldn't remember (the fake memories) the cognitive dissonance grows, and the fact that the fake NaminÚ memories come in bit by bit, instead of just instantly, causes even more conflict in his mind. The cognitive dissonance and contradictions in his mind render him unbalanced, and the true Fridge Horror of it all? It was Marluxia's plan to render him insane and "bind" his heart (as Vexen says right before his 2nd boss fight) and then make him a puppet to fight Xemnas and take over the Organization. If NaminÚ didn't put him back, then Sora would eventually have ended up either completely insane, a catatonic mess or both. Also note that his behavior in KH2 [=KH2=] (while at times cold, like with the "losing Donald to the curse of the treasure" joke) is not at all like in KHCOM's [=KHCoM=]'s last hours. In the fully-voiced cutscenes from the PS2 [=PS2=] version of Chain of Memories it might be more easy to notice due to the fact the old game just has sprites and dialog boxes.
15th Jan '16 3:33:33 AM Alexia
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*** In Chain of Memories it could be the fact that NaminÚ manipulating his memories causes such cognitive dissonance in his mind that it's beginning to render him unbalanced. If you take close notice, he isn't cold and compassionate at the beginning of KHCoM, just a bit bewildered. As he begins forgetting things and remembering things he shouldn't remember (the fake memories) the cognitive dissonance grows, and the fact that the fake NaminÚ memories come in bit by bit, instead of just instantly, causes even more conflict in his mind. The cognitive dissonance and contradictions in his mind render him unbalanced, and the true Fridge Horror of it all? It was Marluxia's plan to render him insane and "bind" his heart (as Vexen says right before his 2nd boss fight) and then make him a puppet to fight Xemnas and take over the Organization. If NaminÚ didn't put him back, then Sora would eventually have ended up either completely insane, a catatonic mess or both. Also note that his behavior in KH2 (while at times cold, like with the "losing Donald to the curse of the treasure" joke) is not at all like in KHCoM's last hours. In the fully-voiced cutscenes from the PS2 version of Chain of Memories it might be more easy to notice due to the fact the old game just has sprites and dialog boxes.
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*** In Chain of Memories it could be the fact that NaminÚ manipulating his memories causes such cognitive dissonance in his mind that it's beginning to render him unbalanced. If you take close notice, he isn't cold and compassionate at the beginning of KHCoM, KHCOM, just a bit bewildered. As he begins forgetting things and remembering things he shouldn't remember (the fake memories) the cognitive dissonance grows, and the fact that the fake NaminÚ memories come in bit by bit, instead of just instantly, causes even more conflict in his mind. The cognitive dissonance and contradictions in his mind render him unbalanced, and the true Fridge Horror of it all? It was Marluxia's plan to render him insane and "bind" his heart (as Vexen says right before his 2nd boss fight) and then make him a puppet to fight Xemnas and take over the Organization. If NaminÚ didn't put him back, then Sora would eventually have ended up either completely insane, a catatonic mess or both. Also note that his behavior in KH2 (while at times cold, like with the "losing Donald to the curse of the treasure" joke) is not at all like in KHCoM's KHCOM's last hours. In the fully-voiced cutscenes from the PS2 version of Chain of Memories it might be more easy to notice due to the fact the old game just has sprites and dialog boxes.
15th Jan '16 3:32:06 AM Alexia
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* The fight with Xaldin is a HUGE Final Fantasy throwback, more than the other organization members if you notice a few points about it. Xaldin not only favors a wind shield that makes it extremely difficult to attack him, he also controls the dragoon heartless. In FF4, the wind elemental fiend liked to wrap herself up in a hair/tornado shield that made her invulnerable and could only be broken by a dragoon's Leap skill. So how do you fight Xaldin? Your reaction command is the Blue magic skill "Learn" to copy his dragoon attacks and break his wind shield.
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* The fight with Xaldin is a HUGE Final Fantasy throwback, more than the other organization members if you notice a few points about it. Xaldin not only favors a wind shield that makes it extremely difficult to attack him, he also controls the dragoon heartless.Nobodies. In FF4, the wind elemental fiend liked to wrap herself up in a hair/tornado shield that made her invulnerable and could only be broken by a dragoon's Leap skill. So how do you fight Xaldin? Your reaction command is the Blue magic skill "Learn" to copy his dragoon attacks and break his wind shield.

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* *** In Chain of Memories it could be the fact that NaminÚ manipulating his memories causes such cognitive dissonance in his mind that it's beginning to render him unbalanced. If you take close notice, he isn't cold and compassionate at the beginning of KHCoM, just a bit bewildered. As he begins forgetting things and remembering things he shouldn't remember (the fake memories) the cognitive dissonance grows, and the fact that the fake NaminÚ memories come in bit by bit, instead of just instantly, causes even more conflict in his mind. The cognitive dissonance and contradictions in his mind render him unbalanced, and the true Fridge Horror of it all? It was Marluxia's plan to render him insane and "bind" his heart (as Vexen says right before his 2nd boss fight) and then make him a puppet to fight Xemnas and take over the Organization. If NaminÚ didn't put him back, then Sora would eventually have ended up either completely insane, a catatonic mess or both. Also note that his behavior in KH2 (while at times cold, like with Xaldin the "losing Donald to the curse of the treasure" joke) is a HUGE Final Fantasy throwback, not at all like in KHCoM's last hours. In the fully-voiced cutscenes from the PS2 version of Chain of Memories it might be more than the other organization members if you easy to notice a few points about it. Xaldin not only favors a wind shield that makes it extremely difficult due to attack him, he also controls the dragoon heartless. In FF4, fact the wind elemental fiend liked to wrap herself up in a hair/tornado shield that made her invulnerable old game just has sprites and could only be broken by a dragoon's Leap skill. So how do you fight Xaldin? Your reaction command is the Blue magic skill "Learn" to copy his dragoon attacks and break his wind shield.dialog boxes.
28th Dec '15 6:19:11 PM tclittle
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* Xemnas represents Nothingness, which is Light and Darkness clashing to nonexistence. He goes up against Sora and Riku, representatives of Light and Darkness working together. Xemnas and the team of Sora and Riku are opposites of each other!
12th Oct '15 9:45:35 PM immortalfrieza
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** She also stops wearing that awkward armor that's obviously far too heavy for her and starts using Mushu's power in her attacks, both making her much more effective and agile.
10th Aug '15 7:47:37 PM BlackBaroness
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* [[ThatOneBoss Demyx]] [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass being a tougher boss than he looks]] was no accident, as it was properly foreshadowed in the cutscene before his fight: --> '''Sora''': I bet you can't even fight! --> '''Demyx''': You shouldn't judge anyone by appearance!
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