History Fridge / IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull

23rd Dec '15 12:47:57 PM res20stupid
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** It also shows a clear contrast with the villains in the previous films - the Nazis collected religious artefacts because they believed God was among their side. The Soviets were, in theory, an atheist society. They'd be less inclined towards religious artefacts and more on scientific and psychic phenomenon.
30th Aug '15 12:54:24 PM evdebs
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*****He's probably still trading stories at the retirement home with Paul Edgecomb from TheGreenMile to this day, though.
8th Feb '15 4:26:03 PM FerrousFaucet
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* At the end of the film, Indiana notices that they aliens have collected artifacts from around the world. The temple they are in is implied to be three or four thousand years old, or "as old as the pyramids". Indiana feels a connection to the aliens because he says they are archaeologists (evidenced by their collection of ancient artifacts from India, China, Europe, etc.) but if the collection is really thousands of years old, those artifacts wouldn't have been ancient when the aliens collected them. The aliens would have been more like contemporary art collectors.
20th Nov '14 12:31:01 PM TitoMosquito
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* The fact is, after 50+ years of having adventures around the world searching for relics of different cultures, getting involved in espionage in two world wars and witnessing first-hand the power of three major religions, the only thing that could possibly surprise Indiana Jones by this point in his life would '''have''' to be aliens(and having a son he never knew about).

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* The fact is, after 50+ years of having adventures around the world searching for relics of different cultures, getting involved in espionage in two world wars and witnessing first-hand the power of three major religions, the only thing that could possibly surprise Indiana Jones by this point in his life would '''have''' to be aliens(and aliens (and having a son he never knew about).
20th Nov '14 12:30:12 PM TitoMosquito
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** The Ark only goes after those that look into it. Since no one had the time to it as they were so busy chasing the new MacGuffin, the worse that could happen would be the warehouse burning down in Holy Fire.

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** The Ark only goes after those (good or bad) that look into it. Since no one had the time to it as they were so busy chasing the new MacGuffin, the worse that could happen would be the warehouse burning down in Holy Fire.
20th Nov '14 11:09:29 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Heh, those guys didn't understand being over-the-top was one of the series' major selling points. -- @/{{Medinoc}}.
*** It's not even that over the top. The movie took place in the 1950s, the "nukes" back then weren't nukes -- thermonuclear weapons wouldn't be developed for somewhere around another decade. At the time, the "nuclear" weapons (the term at the time was atomic) were fission bombs, with a yield measured in kilotons (thousands of tons of TNT). Modern nuclear weapons are fusion bombs, and measured in megatons (millions of tons of TNT) -- literally ONE THOUSAND TIMES stronger than the primitive atomic weapons of the 1950s. This is borne out by the real life fact that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese cities bombed with atomic devices at the close of WWII, had significant numbers of survivors even without the benefits of lead-lined refrigerators to hide in --the weapons of the day simply weren't strong enough for the kind of total unsurvivable devastation we think of from nuclear weapons today. In fact, some of the modern fuel-air devices in use by the modern US military in the middle east (such as the MOAB) rival 1950s-era fission weapons in explosive yield. -- Kitty_TC
**** Would just like to add dates here. The first thermonuclear device was Ivy Mike, tested at Eniwtok Atoll on Halloween 1952. It clocked in at 10.4 megatons, but it was too big to be weaponized; in 54 Castle Bravo was tested at 15, and that one, a dry bomb without horrendously large cooling systems to keep the unbonded hydrogen isotopes liquid, was a deliverable device, so thermonuclear weapons were available at the time. That said, the majority of megaton-range weapons were tested out at sea, since nobody wants to use a bomb that big on dry land, so the device seen in this movie is probably in a similar range to the Hiroshima weapon, and geared more towards a miniaturization of existing technologies instead of making the biggest hole possible (which, as they eventually learnt, was most easily accomplished with more smaller bombs anyways). That said, I doubt Lucas and Spielberg think about the technical accuracy of their movies that much. -- Morganbored
*** No they don't. The MOAB has a yield of 11, that is ''eleven'', tons. The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of ''13,000'' tons, greater by three orders of magnitude. What the MOAB is comparable to is weapons based on the W54 warhead, such as the M-388 Davy Crockett. But that thing was specifically designed to be as small as possible and the blast itself wasn't even the point of it, the radiation was. So the biggest conventional bomb designed to be as powerful as possible is about equal the nuclear bomb designed to be as small as possible. -- Sordid
*** The MOAB is not a Fuel-Air bomb, its a conventional explosive bomb. Fuel air bombs (like the Russian Father of all bombs which weighs half as much as the MOAB but is 4 times stronger) can rival the blast effect of a low setting dial-a-yield nuclear weapon, but despite of what people believe the blast is not created by explosives, but by igniting a cloud of vaporized fuel released in the air. This consumes the oxygen in the area and produces a very rapid variation in the local air pressure that creates a blast effect. Thus Fuel-Air Bombs have effects order of magnitude higher then their weight might indicate. However to obtain something that would rival a 5 kiloton nuclear weapon the damn thing would have to weigh around a 100 tons. Good luck dropping that, the only aircraft able to carry the load would be AN-225, and even then I don't think it would be droppable.
*** Most of the bombs tested were around 30 kilotons (such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_t8jKU1d5E Operation Cue]]), roughly twice the yield of Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The explosion shown is significantly larger and more destructive than a 30 kt bomb, so it would have to be ''really'' big, probably 100 kt or larger, to do the kind of damage we see.
*** Keep in mind that Indiana Jones movies are based not on today's facts, but the logic of the time. The character himself is based on the idea that in the 30's, serialized shorts made archeology out to be guns-a-blazing treasure hunts. By the logic of 50's Cold War "duck and cover" safety shorts, Indy's escape makes absolute ''perfect'' sense. It's supposed to be a mock of that logic.
*** No matter what logic you use or how powerful the bomb is or how Indy survives a drop; one fact remains: that no one ever made a lead lined fridge (or a fridge that looks like the one in the film) There's no reason to make one - lead is poor insulator and heavy as well. Although, on a side note, the fridge looks mostly like a Crosley shelvator, but reads something like "Radiation King" above the handle.
**** Radiation King, you say? You mean the same one as in VideoGame/{{Fallout}}? That would actually explain a whole lot.
**** This idea is referenced in a recent [[http://www.collectedcurios.com/sequentialart.php?s=709 comic]] from ''Webcomic/SequentialArt''.
** I thought ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull'' was just as good as any of the other three, with all these complaints about it being anything other than a highly entertaining adventure romp having become a pet peeve of mine. The worst of it is that most of the ignoramuses whining about the fridge-nuking scene fail to realize that the fridge is ''lead-lined''; what do you think was the purpose of that totally gratuitous shot? In TheFifties, people thought that you could survive a nuclear blast if you surrounded yourself with lead (and that you could also avoid it by hiding under a table). Since in IJ AllMythsAreTrue, it makes (ahem) perfect sense for Indy to have gotten away with it the way he did. -- @/PlanetCool
*** Actually, it wasn't the whole "surviving the heat and radiation of the blast" that bothered me about that scene. As you say, they did make a point of showing the fridge to be lead-lined. No, what killed me was the fact that he survived the ''impact'' of being dropped from hundreds of feet in the air. Maybe if there were airbags as well as lead in that fridge...
**** Lead isn't a magical metal. It won't allow an appliance to withstand the blast of a nuclear bomb.
**** The "lead lined refirgerator" makes even ''less'' sense for me. There is '''''literally''''' no purpose to line a fridge with lead. It's a horrible insulator, and even if the entire walls were filled with lead, it still wouldn't protect it from the blast. And, there is no commerical purpose (if the entire house and everything inside is destroyed, how is the fridge surviving going to help?), it has no military application (and the manufacturer's tag means it isn't military).
***** What's to say military engineers didn't install a lead casing on a commercial fridge after-market? Maybe they did it purposely, say, to experiment with how well lead can protect a fridge's contents from becoming irradiated. This experiment would have had practical applications. If successful, US military bases' and bunkers' food storage areas could be lead-lined to prevent food from being affected during an atomic attack. Far fetched? Yes, but so is hitching a ride on a Nazi submarine, racing a minecart through a lava-filled cavern, and catching a branch as your tank falls over a cliff, as occurred in the first, second, and third films.
*** After watching the last crusade for the first time, I immediately noticed that Indy drank from the holy grail, an act that can heal fatal wounds as shown with his father. Even if such an act does not grant immortality to Indy once he left the temple/cavern/thing, I would have been disapointed if Indy did not have an upgrade, and KOTCS actually shows us an Indy over 50 years old who is not only still in good shape, but can also shrug wounds, even if said wounds are radiations: it is not an AssPull, it is a ChekhovsSkill from the previous episode. -- Nixou
**** Thank you. I came to this page to add exactly that.

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** Heh, those guys didn't understand being over-the-top was one of the series' major selling points. -- @/{{Medinoc}}.
*** It's not even that over the top. The movie took place in the 1950s, the "nukes" back then weren't nukes -- thermonuclear weapons wouldn't be developed for somewhere around another decade. At the time, the "nuclear" weapons (the term at the time was atomic) were fission bombs, with a yield measured in kilotons (thousands of tons of TNT). Modern nuclear weapons are fusion bombs, and measured in megatons (millions of tons of TNT) -- literally ONE THOUSAND TIMES stronger than the primitive atomic weapons of the 1950s. This is borne out by the real life fact that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese cities bombed with atomic devices at the close of WWII, had significant numbers of survivors even without the benefits of lead-lined refrigerators to hide in --the weapons of the day simply weren't strong enough for the kind of total unsurvivable devastation we think of from nuclear weapons today. In fact, some of the modern fuel-air devices in use by the modern US military in the middle east (such as the MOAB) rival 1950s-era fission weapons in explosive yield. -- Kitty_TC
**** Would just like to add dates here. The first thermonuclear device was Ivy Mike, tested at Eniwtok Atoll on Halloween 1952. It clocked in at 10.4 megatons, but it was too big to be weaponized; in 54 Castle Bravo was tested at 15, and that one, a dry bomb without horrendously large cooling systems to keep the unbonded hydrogen isotopes liquid, was a deliverable device, so thermonuclear weapons were available at the time. That said, the majority of megaton-range weapons were tested out at sea, since nobody wants to use a bomb that big on dry land, so the device seen in this movie is probably in a similar range to the Hiroshima weapon, and geared more towards a miniaturization of existing technologies instead of making the biggest hole possible (which, as they eventually learnt, was most easily accomplished with more smaller bombs anyways). That said, I doubt Lucas and Spielberg think about the technical accuracy of their movies that much. -- Morganbored
*** No they don't. The MOAB has a yield of 11, that is ''eleven'', tons. The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of ''13,000'' tons, greater by three orders of magnitude. What the MOAB is comparable to is weapons based on the W54 warhead, such as the M-388 Davy Crockett. But that thing was specifically designed to be as small as possible and the blast itself wasn't even the point of it, the radiation was. So the biggest conventional bomb designed to be as powerful as possible is about equal the nuclear bomb designed to be as small as possible. -- Sordid
*** The MOAB is not a Fuel-Air bomb, its a conventional explosive bomb. Fuel air bombs (like the Russian Father of all bombs which weighs half as much as the MOAB but is 4 times stronger) can rival the blast effect of a low setting dial-a-yield nuclear weapon, but despite of what people believe the blast is not created by explosives, but by igniting a cloud of vaporized fuel released in the air. This consumes the oxygen in the area and produces a very rapid variation in the local air pressure that creates a blast effect. Thus Fuel-Air Bombs have effects order of magnitude higher then their weight might indicate. However to obtain something that would rival a 5 kiloton nuclear weapon the damn thing would have to weigh around a 100 tons. Good luck dropping that, the only aircraft able to carry the load would be AN-225, and even then I don't think it would be droppable.
*** Most of the bombs tested were around 30 kilotons (such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_t8jKU1d5E Operation Cue]]), roughly twice the yield of Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The explosion shown is significantly larger and more destructive than a 30 kt bomb, so it would have to be ''really'' big, probably 100 kt or larger, to do the kind of damage we see.
*** Keep in mind that Indiana Jones movies are based not on today's facts, but the logic of the time. The character himself is based on the idea that in the 30's, serialized shorts made archeology out to be guns-a-blazing treasure hunts. By the logic of 50's Cold War "duck and cover" safety shorts, Indy's escape makes absolute ''perfect'' sense. It's supposed to be a mock of that logic.
*** No matter what logic you use or how powerful the bomb is or how Indy survives a drop; one fact remains: that no one ever made a lead lined fridge (or a fridge that looks like the one in the film) There's no reason to make one - lead is poor insulator and heavy as well. Although, on a side note, the fridge looks mostly like a Crosley shelvator, but reads something like "Radiation King" above the handle.
**** Radiation King, you say? You mean the same one as in VideoGame/{{Fallout}}? That would actually explain a whole lot.
**** This idea is referenced in a recent [[http://www.collectedcurios.com/sequentialart.php?s=709 comic]] from ''Webcomic/SequentialArt''.
** I thought ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull'' was just as good as any of the other three, with all these complaints about it being anything other than a highly entertaining adventure romp having become a pet peeve of mine. The worst of it is that most of the ignoramuses whining about the fridge-nuking scene fail to realize that the fridge is ''lead-lined''; what do you think was the purpose of that totally gratuitous shot? In TheFifties, people thought that you could survive a nuclear blast if you surrounded yourself with lead (and that you could also avoid it by hiding under a table). Since in IJ AllMythsAreTrue, it makes (ahem) perfect sense for Indy to have gotten away with it the way he did. -- @/PlanetCool
*** Actually, it wasn't the whole "surviving the heat and radiation of the blast" that bothered me about that scene. As you say, they did make a point of showing the fridge to be lead-lined. No, what killed me was the fact that he survived the ''impact'' of being dropped from hundreds of feet in the air. Maybe if there were airbags as well as lead in that fridge...
**** Lead isn't a magical metal. It won't allow an appliance to withstand the blast of a nuclear bomb.
**** The "lead lined refirgerator" makes even ''less'' sense for me. There is '''''literally''''' no purpose to line a fridge with lead. It's a horrible insulator, and even if the entire walls were filled with lead, it still wouldn't protect it from the blast. And, there is no commerical purpose (if the entire house and everything inside is destroyed, how is the fridge surviving going to help?), it has no military application (and the manufacturer's tag means it isn't military).
***** What's to say military engineers didn't install a lead casing on a commercial fridge after-market? Maybe they did it purposely, say, to experiment with how well lead can protect a fridge's contents from becoming irradiated. This experiment would have had practical applications. If successful, US military bases' and bunkers' food storage areas could be lead-lined to prevent food from being affected during an atomic attack. Far fetched? Yes, but so is hitching a ride on a Nazi submarine, racing a minecart through a lava-filled cavern, and catching a branch as your tank falls over a cliff, as occurred in the first, second, and third films.
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* After watching the last crusade for the first time, I immediately noticed that Indy drank from the holy grail, an act that can heal fatal wounds as shown with his father. Even if such an act does not grant immortality to Indy once he left the temple/cavern/thing, I would have been disapointed if Indy did not have an upgrade, and KOTCS actually shows us an Indy over 50 years old who is not only still in good shape, but can also shrug wounds, even if said wounds are radiations: it is not an AssPull, it is a ChekhovsSkill from the previous episode. -- Nixou
**** Thank you. I came to this page to add exactly that.
Nixou
20th Nov '14 11:06:07 AM valjeans_attorney
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***** What's to say military engineers didn't install a lead casing on a commercial fridge after-market? Maybe they did it purposely, say, to experiment with how well lead can protect a fridge's contents from becoming irradiated. This experiment would have had practical applications. If successful, US military bases' and bunkers' food storage areas could be lead-lined to prevent food from being affected during an atomic attack. Far fetched? Yes, but so is hitching a ride on a Nazi submarine, racing a minecart through a lava-filled cavern, and catching a branch as your tank falls over a cliff, as occurred in the first, second, and third films.
22nd Sep '14 10:14:49 AM MrDeath
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** The problem with this is that 1930's adventure serials are parts of American pop culture antiquated enough to now be viewed with some measure of reverence, or at least not held to be inherently silly, while the vast majority of 50's sci-fi flicks are now seen as the type of B-movie schlock that got skewered on ''MST3K''. Not to say George Lucas & pals missed the target, only that they weren't aiming for a bullseye to start with.
21st Sep '14 5:08:15 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** The problem with this is that 1930's adventure serials are parts of American pop culture antiquated enough to now be viewed with some measure of reverence, while the vast majority of 50's sci-fi flicks are now seen as the type of B-movie schlock that got skewered on ''MST3K''. Not to say George Lucas & pals missed the target, only that they weren't aiming for a bullseye to start with.

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** The problem with this is that 1930's adventure serials are parts of American pop culture antiquated enough to now be viewed with some measure of reverence, or at least not held to be inherently silly, while the vast majority of 50's sci-fi flicks are now seen as the type of B-movie schlock that got skewered on ''MST3K''. Not to say George Lucas & pals missed the target, only that they weren't aiming for a bullseye to start with.
21st Sep '14 4:58:59 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** The problem with this is that 1930's adventure serials are parts of American pop culture antiquated enough to now be viewed with some measure of reverence, while the vast majority of 50's sci-fi flicks are now seen as the type of B-movie schlock that got skewered on ''MST3K''. Not to say George Lucas & pals missed the target, only that they weren't aiming for a bullseye to start with.
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