History Fridge / HocusPocus

17th Nov '17 5:27:52 AM timemonkey
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* Sarah's singing doesn't affect the main teens, or Thackery and Elijah. By colonial standards they'd already be adults. That's why Thackery was left to watch over Emily in the ColdOpen.

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* Sarah's singing doesn't affect the main teens, or Thackery and Elijah. By colonial standards they'd already be adults. That's why Thackery was left to watch over Emily in the ColdOpen.ColdOpen.
* Winifred's spell on the adults seems like nothing more than petty cruelty at first, until you remember their goals and how they were killed off originally. By enchanting all the parents to dance until they die they leave the children of the area completely unguarded while pre-emptively eliminating the most likely form of retribution.
31st Oct '17 7:18:25 PM Jayalaw
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\n* Mr. Binx saw his little girl's dead body in the witches' cottage, and had to bury a withered corpse with white hair and a desiccated face. We don't see this, thanks to OffscreenMomentOfAwesome and GoryDiscretionShot, but he asks the witches where his son is, and not Emily. Small wonder he looks like he's about to burst into angry tears and demands, "Answer me!".
* The last time Elijah saw his friend Thackery, the latter was going to rescue his sister from the witches. Then the witches were hung, to avenge Emily. Elijah had to spend the rest of his life not knowing where Thackery was, and knowing Elijah was spared because he came with backup.



* During the "I Cast A Spell On You" number, Mary and Sarah are using microphones, but Winifred isn't, which seems like the filmmakers defying how acoustics work because [[RuleOfCool letting Bette Midler dance around and move freely about the stage like she's in a music video just looks cooler]]. However, in a later scene, Sarah's MagicMusic spell attracts children all through the town without any need for amplification, so it's likely the sisters can just make their sung spells carry exactly as far as they need them to. Either Winifred is the only one who doesn't need a microphone to be heard over the band because she's the one who started the spell, or none of them actually need mics, but Mary and Sarah are just standing behind theirs anyway (maybe because they just somehow figured out that's what backup vocalists are supposed to do).

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* During the "I Cast A Spell On You" number, Mary and Sarah are using microphones, but Winifred isn't, which seems like the filmmakers defying how acoustics work because [[RuleOfCool letting Bette Midler dance around and move freely about the stage like she's in a music video just looks cooler]]. However, in a later scene, Sarah's MagicMusic spell attracts children all through the town without any need for amplification, so it's likely the sisters can just make their sung spells carry exactly as far as they need them to. Either Winifred is the only one who doesn't need a microphone to be heard over the band because she's the one who started the spell, or none of them actually need mics, but Mary and Sarah are just standing behind theirs anyway (maybe because they just somehow figured out that's what backup vocalists are supposed to do).do).
* The Puritans in Salem successfully overcome the witches and hang them, while the adults in the modern world can't do a thing. Puritans were "experts" on witchcraft, with men like Cotton Mather writing treatises on black sorcery. With the witches gone, and no magic in Salem, along with the real-life hunts, the Puritans' descendants became more complacent and less willing to maintain the old traditions.
* Sarah's singing doesn't affect the main teens, or Thackery and Elijah. By colonial standards they'd already be adults. That's why Thackery was left to watch over Emily in the ColdOpen.
22nd Oct '17 8:19:07 PM RemiV
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*** Explains how they got rid of the bodies of the children they killed.
16th Oct '17 11:13:54 PM MikeK
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** On a related note, this would explain why Allison would say "Nothing unusual seems to be happening" even though the viewers can see the light radiating from the book and shooting out of the cupola--the spell Winifred cast made the book send out a signal ''only the sisters'' could see, and it was only made visible to the viewer through a PerceptionFilter so we'd know it was happening.

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** On a related note, this would explain why Allison would say "Nothing unusual seems to be happening" even though the viewers can see the light radiating from the book and shooting out of the cupola--the spell Winifred cast made the book send out a signal ''only the sisters'' could see, and it was only made visible to the viewer through a PerceptionFilter so we'd know it was happening.happening.
* During the "I Cast A Spell On You" number, Mary and Sarah are using microphones, but Winifred isn't, which seems like the filmmakers defying how acoustics work because [[RuleOfCool letting Bette Midler dance around and move freely about the stage like she's in a music video just looks cooler]]. However, in a later scene, Sarah's MagicMusic spell attracts children all through the town without any need for amplification, so it's likely the sisters can just make their sung spells carry exactly as far as they need them to. Either Winifred is the only one who doesn't need a microphone to be heard over the band because she's the one who started the spell, or none of them actually need mics, but Mary and Sarah are just standing behind theirs anyway (maybe because they just somehow figured out that's what backup vocalists are supposed to do).
10th Sep '16 2:33:29 AM NWolfman
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* Max is infamously shamed by pretty much every character who knows he's a virgin, but gets the brunt of it from his little sister. Why? Because she's only ever heard that it's something bad, not what it actually means. It's similar to how some kids will use "gay" as an insult becauase their introduction to the word was as an insult, rather than another term for homosexual.


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* Max is infamously shamed by pretty much every character who knows he's a virgin, but gets the brunt of it from his little sister. Why? Because she's only ever heard that it's something bad, not what it actually means. It's similar to how some kids will use "gay" as an insult becauase only because their introduction to the word was as an insult, rather than another term for homosexual.

10th Sep '16 2:33:10 AM NWolfman
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\n* Max is infamously shamed by pretty much every character who knows he's a virgin, but gets the brunt of it from his little sister. Why? Because she's only ever heard that it's something bad, not what it actually means. It's similar to how some kids will use "gay" as an insult becauase their introduction to the word was as an insult, rather than another term for homosexual.

8th Jun '16 6:35:59 PM Chris116
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** The movie also makes light of the fact THEY MURDERED A LITTLE GIRL IN THE OPENING! Okay, it is not as much making light of it as it is viewers seem to forget it...

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** The movie also makes light of the fact THEY MURDERED A LITTLE GIRL IN THE OPENING! Okay, it is not as much making light of it as it is viewers seem to forget it...itů
** Mary is portrayed as the resident BigEater of the trio and is always eager to eat children. It gives us the stomach-churning implication that she's the fattest member of the trio specifically ''because'' she's eaten so many children!



** On a related note, this would explain why Allison would say "Nothing unusual seems to be happening" even though the viewers can see the light radiating from the book and shooting out of the cupola--the spell Winifred cast made the book send out a signal ''only the sisters'' could see, and it was only made visible to the viewer through a PerceptionFilter so we'd know it was happening.

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** On a related note, this would explain why Allison would say "Nothing unusual seems to be happening" even though the viewers can see the light radiating from the book and shooting out of the cupola--the spell Winifred cast made the book send out a signal ''only the sisters'' could see, and it was only made visible to the viewer through a PerceptionFilter so we'd know it was happening.
14th Oct '15 6:28:44 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* Three little girls snatch the witches brooms and fly off with them (the woosh sound in the background). Those three are never seen again. Let's jsut hope they weren't still flying around when the Sanderson sisters lost their magic.

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* Three little girls snatch the witches brooms and fly off with them (the woosh sound in the background). Those three are never seen again. Let's jsut just hope they weren't still flying around when the Sanderson sisters lost their magic.died.



** Perhaps not: the full line is "Perfect, as usual." She's just praising the book (or herself?) for making a good suggestion.

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* Winifred can summon lightning from her fingertips, she and her sisters can hypnotize people with their voices, transform people into animals, curse them with diseases and have the power of {{flight}}. So how did the Salem townfolk capture and execute them so fast? And why didn't they try it before? Even if they didn't think they were witches (opposed to the movie's implication that it was common knowledge), Winifred poisoned her lover Billy Butcherson and the whole town seemed to know about it. A lot of arguments could be made to answer questions like this, but the film doesn't seem particularly bothered to.
** The townsfolk could have been really ignorant of the sister's activities. The three of them didn't seem particularly well known. As for how they overpowered them, well, they outnumbered three women by at least thirty and had flaming torches with them. The sister's magical abilities (particularly, Winnie who shoots lightning out of her fingertips) may be extensive, but when cornered, potentially of no use.
*** Maybe the townsfolk actually didn't know, or if they did they had no proof of any of it; the sisters would likely not have been out and about using magic in front of people, they lived alone in an isolated cottage, and anyone who saw what they could do likely became their victims and therefore dead. What happened to Billy could just be rumor or hearsay. But once the townspeople came and caught them red-handed with Emily's body they had all the proof they needed to hang the sisters. It's pretty likely that with strength in numbers they overpowered the sisters in the cramped confines of the cottage, and also if they stripped them of the book, this may have lessened their powers.
** Max was ''really'' the first virgin to be tempted to break into a creepy, reputedly haunted building and [[TemptingFate tempt fate]] by lighting the candle?
*** Maybe the first virgin brave enough (or stupid enough) to attempt it on a Halloween evening, when the moon was full.
*** Full moons coinciding with Halloween are pretty rare.
*** The only one to break in on a Full Moon during Halloween and not be thwarted by Binx. He's been guarding house the on Halloween night ever since the witches died to stop people doing exactly that
** Also, Winifred swoops in on the kids by taunting them with Max's earlier IronicEcho, "It's all just a bunch of [[TitleDrop Hocus Pocus]]!" Then you suddenly realize Winifred wasn't {{back from the dead}} yet when Max said it, and couldn't have heard it.
*** It was Halloween, the time of the year the veil between the living and the dead is thinnest, maybe they could hear them in Hell?
** How did Max's teacher know Thackery's story?
*** He's probably communicated with people in the past. When first turned into a cat, he tries to get his father's attention, but can do nothing but meow. 300 years later he's capable of intelligent speech. Presumably he tried to talk to people at some point and told his story. But he's also GenreSavvy enough to know that letting the world know the witches are real would be TemptingFate, so he keeps quiet.
** So the Sanderson house is now a museum. Given the legendary status of the sisters' story, and the locals' general love of Halloween, you'd think the museum would be, you know, ''open''.
*** The sign outside says it's closed for renovations. Allison tells Danni it's closed because spooky things kept happening there, but she's probably just entertaining the little girl. Still, the place is pretty damn dusty when they get there, so it's probably been shut up for a while. And you'd think it'd be open at Halloween of all times. Halloween in Salem is tourist central.
*** Wasn't it fairly late when they snuck in? It was probably just after the museum's closing time.
** During the opening, Winifred comments on another gloriously sickening morning. During their execution, it's night again, which sets that mood perfectly. Even though the townsfolk were right at their door right as the sun rose, it took them all day to get in somehow. Maybe Winifred and the others did put up an epic magical fight after all before the mob [mostly] sealed their fate. I doubt their sentencing took that long given the evidence / sister corpse.
*** They likely spent the day searching for Thackery and questioning the sisters about what they've done with him. They make it clear they know something they aren't saying and they're hanged when the children's father finally loses his patience.

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** Perhaps not: the full line is "Perfect, as usual." She's just praising the book (or herself?) for making a good suggestion.

[[AC:FridgeLogic]]
* Winifred can summon lightning from her fingertips, she and her sisters can hypnotize people with their voices, transform people into animals, curse them with diseases and have the power of {{flight}}. So how did the Salem townfolk capture and execute them so fast? And why didn't they try it before? Even if they didn't think they were witches (opposed to the movie's implication that it was common knowledge), Winifred poisoned her lover Billy Butcherson and the whole town seemed to know about it. A lot of arguments could be made to answer questions like this, but the film doesn't seem particularly bothered to.
** The townsfolk could have been really ignorant of the sister's activities. The three of them didn't seem particularly well known. As for how they overpowered them, well, they outnumbered three women by at least thirty and had flaming torches with them. The sister's magical abilities (particularly, Winnie who shoots lightning out of her fingertips) may be extensive, but when cornered, potentially of no use.
*** Maybe the townsfolk actually didn't know, or if they did they had no proof of any of it; the sisters would likely not have been out and about using magic in front of people, they lived alone in an isolated cottage, and anyone who saw what they could do likely became their victims and therefore dead. What happened to Billy could just be rumor or hearsay. But once the townspeople came and caught them red-handed with Emily's body they had all the proof they needed to hang the sisters. It's pretty likely that with strength in numbers they overpowered the sisters in the cramped confines of the cottage, and also if they stripped them of the book, this may have lessened their powers.
** Max was ''really'' the first virgin to be tempted to break into a creepy, reputedly haunted building and [[TemptingFate tempt fate]] by lighting the candle?
*** Maybe the first virgin brave enough (or stupid enough) to attempt it on a Halloween evening, when the moon was full.
*** Full moons coinciding with Halloween are pretty rare.
*** The only one to break in on a Full Moon during Halloween and not be thwarted by Binx. He's been guarding house the on Halloween night ever since the witches died to stop people doing exactly that
** Also, Winifred swoops in on the kids by taunting them with Max's earlier IronicEcho, "It's all just a bunch of [[TitleDrop Hocus Pocus]]!" Then you suddenly realize Winifred wasn't {{back from the dead}} yet when Max said it, and couldn't have heard it.
*** It was Halloween, the time of the year the veil between the living and the dead is thinnest, maybe they could hear them in Hell?
** How did Max's teacher know Thackery's story?
*** He's probably communicated with people in the past. When first turned into a cat, he tries to get his father's attention, but can do nothing but meow. 300 years later he's capable of intelligent speech. Presumably he tried to talk to people at some point and told his story. But he's also GenreSavvy enough to know that letting the world know the witches are real would be TemptingFate, so he keeps quiet.
** So the Sanderson house is now a museum. Given the legendary status of the sisters' story, and the locals' general love of Halloween, you'd think the museum would be, you know, ''open''.
*** The sign outside says it's closed for renovations. Allison tells Danni it's closed because spooky things kept happening there, but she's probably just entertaining the little girl. Still, the place is pretty damn dusty when they get there, so it's probably been shut up for a while. And you'd think it'd be open at Halloween of all times. Halloween in Salem is tourist central.
*** Wasn't it fairly late when they snuck in? It was probably just after the museum's closing time.
** During the opening, Winifred comments on another gloriously sickening morning. During their execution, it's night again, which sets that mood perfectly. Even though the townsfolk were right at their door right as the sun rose, it took them all day to get in somehow. Maybe Winifred and the others did put up an epic magical fight after all before the mob [mostly] sealed their fate. I doubt their sentencing took that long given the evidence / sister corpse.
*** They likely spent the day searching for Thackery and questioning the sisters about what they've done with him. They make it clear they know something they aren't saying and they're hanged when the children's father finally loses his patience.

4th Oct '15 7:28:47 PM SanjMerchant
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** Perhaps not: the full line is "Perfect, as usual." She's just praising the book (or herself?) for making a good suggestion.
3rd Feb '15 3:36:20 PM maedar
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*** Maybe the first virgin to attempt it on a Halloween evening, when the moon was full.

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*** Maybe the first virgin brave enough (or stupid enough) to attempt it on a Halloween evening, when the moon was full.
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