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20th Mar '13 8:02:09 PM HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

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**** Actually, it was more that; he was named after her - his Greek name was really Heracles, and Hercules was his name in Roman. But Hera was later grateful to Heracles when he saved her from being raped by a giant.

* FridgeLogic: Shouldn't Hades have already known Hercules didn't die since he's the Lord of the Underworld? Admittedly, a lot of people die every day, but you'd think he could have checked. In fact, you'd think a son of Zeus would be the jewel of his collection...
** Hades did know Hercules was going to die in the attempt. That's why he said "You'll be dead before you can get to her." However, he could not have foreseen that by sacrificing his life for Meg's he fulfilled the requirement to regain his god status by becoming a "True Hero". Further, if you want to get technical about it, Hercules' mortal life did end the exact moment his Godhood was restored. Ergo his mortality "died".
*** I don't think it was that point the original post was talking about. Right at the start, Pain and Panic were supposed to make Hercules mortal and kill him. The question is, why didn't Hades notice that the dead baby Herc never showed up in the underworld?
** The deal made between Hercules and Hades was, and I quote, "Fine, fine! You get her out, she goes. You stay." That means that regardless of whether or not Hercules succeeded in getting Meg out of the river of death, Hercules agreed to remain in the underworld. His becoming a God has absolutely no bearing on that deal. So by the terms of the deal he should not have been able to leave the underworld at all...
*** You are missing the point. The deal was that Hercules would take Meg's place. Taking her place = dying, with Hercules' soul trapped in the river of death. Hercules did not die, which subverted the deal.
*** Hades had broken the deal first by not recovering the soul himself: if Herc tried but died in the attempt, both of them stayed. Thus Herc being free to return to Earth.
*** No, the agreement was "You get her out, she goes, you stay". But yeah, the next part that has him saying "you'll be dead before you can get to her" pretty much cements that he did not intend to hold up his end of the deal, so it was off.
** Why exactly did Hades even bother trying to use the Titans in the first place? If the muses are to be believed, Zeus beat them all single handed long before the movie.
*** I watched the film last night and wondered the same thing. Then it hit me: The titans were prophesied by the Fates to defeat the gods "unless Hercules fights." As anyone who knows Greek myth can tell you, you can't fight the Fates.
** Why did Hercules have to choose between being a god in Olympus and Meg? Zeus could have ''easily'' made her a god, too - it's not like she didn't do something incredibly heroic. In classical Greek mythology, they make people gods all the time for silly reasons!
*** Actually, Hercules was the first real apotheosis in Greek mythology, and that required him to already be a demigod, who then split at the moment of his death into his heroic mortal soul (which is in Hades), and the god Hercules. Of course, as the mythology grew and power creep set in (Greek mythology is really more of a unified story from dozens of religions that changed and evolved over hundreds of years), becoming a god got easier and easier, but Meg being physically incapable of becoming a goddess actually fits with the mood of the original story. Despite how much they changed the story, a LOT of it remains true to the spirit of the myth, if not the details.
**** Not to mention it makes the scene more heartwarming, as it leads to Hercules choosing love over godhood.
** Why does returning Meg's soul to her body bring her back to full health? Even if she were alive again, she's still got (as implied) a broken back and various other internal injuries from crushing.
*** [[AWizardDidIt The gods did it?]]
*** [[AWizardDidIt Medea Did It]]. According to the original myths she was Herakles friend, had been his guest in Thebes and was an healer so good to actually ''raise the dead'' with her potions (at least, she could bring back to life a chicken that had been cut into pieces). It's not too farfetched that, in the movie, either Herc or Phil had her bring back her body to full health off-screen but she was still unable to bring back the soul (or unwilling: maybe she knew what would have made Herc a True Hero, and thus recover his godhood, and didn't want to spoil the chanche).

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20th Mar '13 7:58:51 PM HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

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