History Fridge / HeavyRain

27th May '17 1:35:59 PM LordDynasmon
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* This game is BUILT on fridge brilliance, especially when it concerns the Origami Killer's identity: [[spoiler:at first, you think the killer is a character who's actually not associated with the main characters, since all of them have a motivation to look for his identity; then it makes you suspect Ethan is the killer because of his blackouts and recurrent nightmares of drowning bodies, pointing to him not being in control of his actions and having visions associated with the killer's M.O.; then Shelby's investigation of Gordi Kramer makes you believe he's the killer (especially after you meet him); then, Madison and Shelby's lines of investigation lead you to (correctly) think that the deceased John Sheppard's brother is the killer, and you're in a 50/50 on whether the killer's Ethan or Kramer; THEN, the attempt on Shelby and Lauren's life makes you think Kramer's DEFINITELY the killer; [[RunningGag THEN]] the meeting with Kramer's father disproves Kramer as the killer and suspicion goes back to Ethan; [[SerialEscalation THEEEEEN]] Jayden's investigation reveals the killer has links to the police force, and suddenly all the evidence so far starts REALLY pointing at Lieutenant Blake; [[OverlyLongGag FINALLY]], it's revealed that Scott Shelby (formerly Scott SHEPPARD, formerly a cop) was the killer all along, that his investigation was just a cover to get rid of all evidence of his crimes and to look for his copycat killer, and that all the clues where right there staring you in the face as to his identity.]]

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* This game is BUILT on fridge brilliance, especially when it concerns the Origami Killer's identity: [[spoiler:at first, you think the killer is a character who's actually not associated with the main characters, since all of them have a motivation to look for his identity; then it makes you suspect Ethan is the killer because of his blackouts and recurrent nightmares of drowning bodies, pointing to him not being in control of his actions and having visions associated with the killer's M.O.; then Shelby's investigation of Gordi Kramer makes you believe he's the killer (especially after you meet him); then, Madison and Shelby's lines of investigation lead you to (correctly) think that the deceased John Sheppard's brother is the killer, and you're in a 50/50 on whether the killer's Ethan or Kramer; THEN, the attempt on Shelby and Lauren's life makes you think Kramer's DEFINITELY the killer; [[RunningGag THEN]] the meeting with Kramer's father disproves Kramer as the killer and suspicion goes back to Ethan; [[SerialEscalation THEEEEEN]] Jayden's investigation reveals the killer has links to the police force, and suddenly all the evidence so far starts REALLY pointing at Lieutenant Blake; [[OverlyLongGag FINALLY]], it's revealed that Scott Shelby (formerly Scott SHEPPARD, formerly a cop) was the killer all along, that his investigation was just a cover to get rid of all evidence of his crimes and to look for his copycat killer, and that all the clues where were right there staring you in the face as to his identity.]]
16th Apr '17 6:32:46 PM Hjortron18
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* This is something that did not become apparent to me until it was pointed out to me by someone on youtube [[spoiler: The identity of the origami killer can be discerned by simply looking at the box art for the game and realizing who the only main character to be standing in the far back in shadow with a weapon is.]]

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* This is something that did not become apparent to me until it was pointed out to me by someone on youtube youtube. [[spoiler: The identity of the origami killer can be discerned by simply looking at the box art for the game and realizing who the only main character to be standing in the far back in shadow with a weapon is.]]



* At a few points in the game the player can let Scott Shelby drink (such as at the bar during the party level) and its been shown that he keeps a bottle of booze in his desk drawer. The implications of this is that he is at least a moderate drinker. [[spoiler:Guess its something he picked up from his father.]]

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* At a few points in the game the player can let Scott Shelby drink (such as at the bar during the party level) and its been shown that he keeps a bottle of booze in his desk drawer. The implications of this is that he is at least a moderate drinker. [[spoiler:Guess its it's something he picked up from his father.]]
21st Jun '16 4:59:18 PM LordDynasmon
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* Two out of Three of the victim's families you meet during the game are single mothers who's husbands [[DisappearedDad mysteriously disappeared]] not long after their sons. [[spoiler: During one of the trials, Ethan can find the corpse of a father who previously attempted the trial. No doubt these "missing fathers" died during their own trials.]]

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* Two out of Three of the victim's families you meet during the game are single mothers who's whose husbands [[DisappearedDad mysteriously disappeared]] not long after their sons. [[spoiler: During one of the trials, Ethan can find the corpse of a father who previously attempted the trial. No doubt these "missing fathers" died during their own trials.]]
21st Jan '16 9:38:33 PM PurpleAlert
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*** As far as I know, Triptocaine; as a device to counteract the affects of ARI is - fanon. It's entirely possible that the drug and the device, work in tandem, or are equally dangerous. The fact that tripto comes in a glowing blue vile, and it's invention (existence) is as much a headscratcher to the audience as ARI, they may have been spawned for similar reasons, by the same source. Which could also explain why Jayden is comfortable working with an addiction - if the actual work itself is responsible, somehow.

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*** As far as I know, Triptocaine; as a device to counteract the affects of ARI is - fanon. It's entirely possible that the drug and the device, work in tandem, or are equally dangerous. The fact that tripto comes in a glowing blue vile, vial, and it's invention (existence) is as much a headscratcher to the audience as ARI, they may have been spawned for similar reasons, by the same source. Which could also explain why Jayden is comfortable working with an addiction - if the actual work itself is responsible, somehow.


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** Hey, why does Ethan leap to the conclusion that he's the Origami Killer even though that's obviously impossible? Because he doesn't think about stuff, he just goes wherever his head takes him when it wanders off. Apparently, Jason got it from his dad.
9th Jan '16 7:10:41 PM Chromecleric
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* This is something that did not become apparent to me until it was pointed out to me by someone on youtube [[spoiler: The identity of the origami killer can be discerned by simply looking at the box art for the game and realizing who the only main character to be standing in the far back in shadow with a weapon is.]]
18th Dec '14 6:49:29 AM jamesfirecat
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*The ending Case Closed while still [[BitterSweetEnding bitter sweet]] is actually much more sweet/less bitter than most people realize. [[spoiler: Remember in Jayden's Blues where his hallucinations of the forest scene completely overwrote the reality of his hotel room without the glasses on. In Case Closed however after he takes the glasses off the tanks are only a few small details and they are insubstantial and see through, clearly not real. They're actually a sign that while Jayden is still having problems after using ARI, they're getting less severe than they used to be.]]
22nd Jul '14 7:49:43 PM MrMustache
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** In a weird way it gives [[spoiler: John]] a parallel to Jason, too. If TooDumbToLive had an official T-shirt, Jason's face would be on it. [[spoiler: Not to mention it gives Shelby and Ethan a connection, since both of them tried to save their respective loved ones from terminal stupid and failed.]]
20th Jun '14 9:19:12 AM greenwings
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* The death of [[spoiler: John Sheppard. As pointed out in other places, if he had simply fallen into the hole, he would have been swept away, so he would have needed to climb into the hole to get stuck the way he did. This is pretty stupid, but remember that immediately before this the kid was running around a construction site, recklessly doing a ton of things that could have gotten him killed or injured, and not really giving it a second thought.]] Being TooDumbToLive might have actually been intended characterization.
14th May '14 10:27:21 PM greenwings
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* Once [[spoiler: Shaun's rescued, he'll comment that he knew his dad would come save him.]] It can be hard not to wonder how many other boys thought the exact same thing, and ended up being wrong.
19th Jan '14 11:08:27 AM notafraid
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* In HeavyRain, it's implied that Norman Jayden is addicted to Tripocaine, the blue powder he snorts whenever he has withdrawal attacks, but after replaying the game a second time, I got an epilogue where Jayden begins hallucinating objects from inside his Augmented Reality environment without his glasses on. Then it hits me: The ambiguous "It" that his software agent Valet keeps telling him not to overdose on is the Augmented Reality. His 'withdrawl' symptoms always set in after he uses it for an extended period of time. The blue powder is a ''treatment'' for the effects ARI has on his body, since it always makes the twitching, nosebleeds and other symptoms go away.

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* In HeavyRain, it's It's implied that Norman Jayden is addicted to Tripocaine, the blue powder he snorts whenever he has withdrawal attacks, but after replaying the game a second time, I got an epilogue where Jayden begins hallucinating objects from inside his Augmented Reality environment without his glasses on. Then it hits me: The ambiguous "It" that his software agent Valet keeps telling him not to overdose on is the Augmented Reality. His 'withdrawl' symptoms always set in after he uses it for an extended period of time. The blue powder is a ''treatment'' for the effects ARI has on his body, since it always makes the twitching, nosebleeds and other symptoms go away.



*** As far as this troper knows, Triptocaine; as a device to counteract the affects of ARI is - fanon. It's entirely possible that the drug and the device, work in tandem, or are equally dangerous. The fact that tripto comes in a glowing blue vile, and it's invention (existence) is as much a headscratcher to the audience as ARI, they may have been spawned for similar reasons, by the same source. Which could also explain why Jayden is comfortable working with an addiction - if the actual work itself is responsible, somehow.

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*** As far as this troper knows, I know, Triptocaine; as a device to counteract the affects of ARI is - fanon. It's entirely possible that the drug and the device, work in tandem, or are equally dangerous. The fact that tripto comes in a glowing blue vile, and it's invention (existence) is as much a headscratcher to the audience as ARI, they may have been spawned for similar reasons, by the same source. Which could also explain why Jayden is comfortable working with an addiction - if the actual work itself is responsible, somehow.



* Quite a bit, as the [[{{JustBugsMe/HeavyRain}} Just Bugs Me]] page indicates. It's also discussed at length [[http://www.gamecritics.com/daniel-weissenberger/heavy-rain-is-in-many-ways-not-well-written-part-1 here]].

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* Quite a bit, as the [[{{JustBugsMe/HeavyRain}} Just Bugs Me]] [[{{Headscratchers/HeavyRain}} Headscratchers]] page indicates. It's also discussed at length [[http://www.gamecritics.com/daniel-weissenberger/heavy-rain-is-in-many-ways-not-well-written-part-1 here]].
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