History Fridge / Frozen

17th May '17 3:09:00 AM ScotieRw
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* When Elsa first hit Anna in the head with her ice powers as children, it wasn't because she couldn't control her powers. She slipped and fell on her ice while making a mountain of snow for Anna to land on and her ice magic got misdirected because she moved her hand when trying to catch herself. She may have been able to control her powers perfectly fine, until her parents told her she couldn't.
14th May '17 4:51:01 PM Njein
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** The ''A Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he start to realize what he's done wrong. But by that point, no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.]]

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** The ''A Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, cold and unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to brutally and violently suppress any criticism and although the queen his mother cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be been sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay were bad-mouthing the king or were behind on their taxes on time.taxes. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he start to [[HeelRealization realize what what]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone he's done wrong. wrong]]. But by that point, [[HateSink no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.caused]].]]



** After the accident, Elsa would have naturally come to fear her powers, so any manifestation of her skills would have terrified her even when involuntarily inspired by a positive emotion (which, if her facial expressions in "Let It Go" mean anything, would allow her a way to explore her powers in a controllable, inspiring way). Add the emotional coaching she received from her (well-meaning but misguided) parents, and you have a young girl who would feel some happy emotion, which would make her afraid because “Oh no, I felt something, what if I create ice and hurt someone?”, and that fear would cause her powers to react negatively, which would make her more afraid, etc. etc. until she can’t control it anymore.

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** After the accident, Elsa would have naturally come to fear her powers, so any manifestation of her skills would have terrified her even when involuntarily inspired by a positive emotion (which, if her facial expressions in "Let It Go" mean anything, would allow her a way to explore her powers in a controllable, inspiring way). Add the emotional coaching she received from her (well-meaning but misguided) parents, and you have a young girl who would feel some happy emotion, which would make her afraid because “Oh “Oh no, I felt something, what if I create ice and hurt someone?”, and that fear would cause her powers to react negatively, which would make her more afraid, etc. etc. until she can’t control it anymore.
8th May '17 11:27:19 AM DreamerCynist2
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** The ''Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he start to realize what he's done wrong. But by that point, no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.]]

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** The ''Frozen ''A Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he start to realize what he's done wrong. But by that point, no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.]]
6th Apr '17 6:01:36 PM Tightwire
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* Consider that Hans has been shown to be a MagnificentBastard on a scale rarely seen in Disney canon, who expertly manipulated both the protagonist [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and the audience]] until TheReveal. It seems out of character, then, for him to immediately engage in BondVillainStupidty and simply assume Anna would be a good girl and die out of sight, as opposed to, say, [[NightmareFuel locking the door, pulling up a chair, and watching to be sure.]] This wouldn't even change the subsequent scene's script much, since Olaf's the kind of person who'd care more about chatting up Anna than fighting off a murderous Hans. Upgrading Hans to that level of evil, though, would have cost the film its G-rating.

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* Consider that Hans has been shown to be a MagnificentBastard on a scale rarely seen in Disney canon, who expertly manipulated both the protagonist [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and the audience]] until TheReveal. It seems out of character, then, for him to immediately engage in BondVillainStupidty and simply assume Anna would be a good girl and die out of sight, as opposed to, say, [[NightmareFuel locking the door, pulling up a chair, and watching to be sure.]] This wouldn't even change the subsequent scene's script much, since Olaf's the kind of person who'd care more about chatting up Anna than fighting off a murderous Hans. much. Upgrading Hans to that level of evil, though, would have cost the film its G-rating.G-rating.
** It actually makes Hans worse - he cares so little for Anna that he just walks out and doesn't think twice about leaving her to die alone in the cold when there's a kingdom to start ruling.
* If you listen to "First Time In Forever" (Reprise) When Anna and Elsa's argument really picks up, you can almost imagine Kristoff and Olaf (whose minute is up) going from admiring the ice castle to hearing them and racing up the stairs searching for them - then Anna gets hit, a second or two later Kristoff bursts in and runs to her, and it's a bit like he's thinking "If only I'd gotten here sooner..."
10th Mar '17 8:00:52 AM GreatWyrmGold
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* Why is Anna so eager to get engaged to a man she just met? It isn't just her [[ThinksLikeARomanceNovel romantic mindset]] or [[WideEyedIdealist idealism]] (though those certainly contribute). In "For the First Time in Forever," Anna imagines meeting the love of her life. Near the end of the song, she says "I know it all ends tomorrow, so it has to be today!" She assumed that Hans was her ''only'' chance at finding true love.
25th Feb '17 4:49:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The snowmen Elsa creates are actually parts of her will. Olaf represents her desire to see heat and the sun and not to bother with the cold. It also represents her bond with Anna. Marshmallow, on the other hand, represents her wanting to stay away from others and Arendelle when she flees. Note how he was created when Anna tried to bring her back home. Note, too, that Olaf is small, weak and ultimately ineffectual. Marshmallow is huge, and dangerous. Which side of Elsa's personality was more aggressively fostered...? Probably entirely coincidence, but it makes a nice bit of recursive sense. The scene where [[spoiler: Olaf tries to stop Marshmallow from getting to Kristoff and Anna's ice anchor gains an undercurrent of MoodWhiplash laden symbolism when you think how in For The First Time In Forever Reprise, the GenreSavvy Anna tries to convince Elsa that their bond is enough to stop the EternalWinter Elsa accidentally set off, Foreshadowing the end of the movie but all that actually happens is Anna is hit with a potentially fatal ice blast in the heart.]] It's been [[WordOfGod mentioned]] that Olaf is so innocent and constantly happy because he was created when Elsa was finally happy, during her IAmBecomingSong. Marshmallow gets created when she's angry at Anna for trying to get her to leave the castle, and lashes out. That's why he's so big and dangerous. That's why his reaction to having a snowball thrown at him is to [[DisproportionateRetribution try and kill Anna for it]], and his happy ending is to [[spoiler:rule over the empty castle, completely alone.]]

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* The snowmen Elsa creates are actually parts of her will. Olaf represents her desire to see heat and the sun and not to bother with the cold. It also represents her bond with Anna. Marshmallow, on the other hand, represents her wanting to stay away from others and Arendelle when she flees. Note how he was created when Anna tried to bring her back home. Note, too, that Olaf is small, weak and ultimately ineffectual. Marshmallow is huge, and dangerous. Which side of Elsa's personality was more aggressively fostered...? Probably entirely coincidence, but it makes a nice bit of recursive sense. The scene where [[spoiler: Olaf tries to stop Marshmallow from getting to Kristoff and Anna's ice anchor gains an undercurrent of MoodWhiplash laden symbolism when you think how in For The First Time In Forever Reprise, the GenreSavvy Anna tries to convince Elsa that their bond is enough to stop the EternalWinter Elsa accidentally set off, Foreshadowing the end of the movie but all that actually happens is Anna is hit with a potentially fatal ice blast in the heart.]] It's been [[WordOfGod mentioned]] that Olaf is so innocent and constantly happy because he was created when Elsa was finally happy, during her IAmBecomingSong. Marshmallow gets created when she's angry at Anna for trying to get her to leave the castle, and lashes out. That's why he's so big and dangerous. That's why his reaction to having a snowball thrown at him is to [[DisproportionateRetribution try and kill Anna for it]], and his happy ending is to [[spoiler:rule over the empty castle, completely alone.]]



* [[spoiler:Han's]] attempt to kill Anna by simply locking her in a room may be seen as GenreBlindness but is GenreSavvy as as not one is allowed near there and the fact that he simply speeds up the process Elsa unintentionally began will ensure that his hands look clean while Elsa's look very dirty.

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* [[spoiler:Han's]] attempt to kill Anna by simply locking her in a room may be seen as GenreBlindness but is GenreSavvy as as not one is allowed near there and the fact that he simply speeds up the process Elsa unintentionally began will ensure that his hands look clean while Elsa's look very dirty.
17th Jan '17 6:50:38 AM hszmv1
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** Taken in context, all the disjointed nature of the song is brilliant given what type of song both singers are singing. Anna is singing a LoveSong. Hans is singing a VillainSong.
13th Jan '17 9:01:20 AM hszmv1
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** Or the Song isn't about Else, but someone else. Consider the Following:
*** Kristof is the only main character who hears the song, thus, it's meant for him.
*** There's the Duality at play. "Split the Ice Apart" (make one into two), two warnings about the "Frozen Heart", two warnings to "Watch Your Step, Let it go." In addition, Ice is always ascribed traits two at a time.
*** The only time things happen in three in the song, it is a failure, specifically the attempt by one, ten, or a hundred men to contain the magic of Ice. Three separate men will be given a chance to save Anna from Ice: Her father, Hans, and Kristof. In all cases, these do not work. Similarly, three times men will try and contain or control Elsa's powers without success: Her Father, The Duke, and Hans. The only thing that would work is the love of two sisters for each other... [[NoManOfWomanBorn Stronger than one, stronger than ten, stronger than a hundred men indeed.]]
*** Twice in the film, two characters let things go, but they are ill informed missteps. Elsa sheds her duties as queen, unaware of the growing danger she is to the kingdom, and Kristof let's Anna go to her true love, unaware of who that is.
*** Twice we're warned about the dangers of a Frozen Heart. This is quickly confirmed by the Troll two seens later who says the heart is not so easily changed from this condition. The audience is now set up to expect a Frozen Heart to appear... but remember there's two frozen hearts. The first one is clearly beautiful... it's sharp and sheer... we'll know it when we see it. And this is the one that is given a softer warning. But the next time we discuss the Frozen Heart, there's a beauty and a danger... and this danger is given a much more ominous warning. As the audience, we clearly know that Anna is the Frozen Heart... but Hans is ascribed the same condition at the end of the film. The song could be the closest thing to his VillainSong the film has without surprising the reveal.
31st Dec '16 6:58:06 PM nombretomado
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* In Sweden "''Let It Go''", while being a popular song, is often criticized for sounding too much like a [[EurovisionSongContest schlager]]. Disney has been known for having the music in their movies match the setting. Maybe it's not a coincidence that "''Let It Go''" sounds like something that might represent Sweden in the EurovisionSongContest?

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* In Sweden "''Let It Go''", while being a popular song, is often criticized for sounding too much like a [[EurovisionSongContest [[Series/EurovisionSongContest schlager]]. Disney has been known for having the music in their movies match the setting. Maybe it's not a coincidence that "''Let It Go''" sounds like something that might represent Sweden in the EurovisionSongContest?Series/EurovisionSongContest?
22nd Dec '16 9:18:22 AM zygomian
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* Elsa's crown is different from her mother's...[[http://nuggles.tumblr.com/post/74902435671/everytime-i-see-a-gifset-of-elsa-and-her-mom-i because]] her mother's crown sank beneath the sea when she drowned. Also, although we don't know from the film which of Elsa's parents was the one to inherit the throne and which married into it, it's possible their mother was queen by marriage, and thus had a less elaborate crown; if true, it would probably mean Elsa would be expected to wear a more regal crown.

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* Elsa's crown is different from her mother's...[[http://nuggles.tumblr.com/post/74902435671/everytime-i-see-a-gifset-of-elsa-and-her-mom-i because]] her mother's crown sank beneath the sea when she drowned. Also, although we don't know from being the film which of Elsa's parents was the one to inherit the throne and which married into it, it's possible their mother was actual monarch rather then just a queen by marriage, and thus had a less elaborate crown; if true, it would marriage probably mean meant Elsa would be expected to wear a more regal crown.
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