History Fridge / Frozen

14th Nov '16 1:01:23 AM LB7979
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* In "In Summer," during Olaf's imagine spot, Anna and Kristoff appear at one point for no real explained reason and they're shown holding ridiculously large sandwiches while sitting on a picnic blanket. But then remember Anna blurted out "sandwiches!" in response to Hans's line "We finish each's others'..." in "Love is an Open Door", meaning sandwiches are one of Anna's favorite foods[[note]]This also get a nod in Disney/FrozenFever: Elsa lets Anna find a sandwich during the "treasure hunt", to which delightedly exclaims "Ooh, sandwich!". They are clearly her favorite food only second to chocolate[[/note]]. So when Elsa created Olaf, he got many of her memories of Anna and thus imagines Anna making an oversized sandwich, or something like that.

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* In "In Summer," during Olaf's imagine spot, Anna and Kristoff appear at one point for no real explained reason and they're shown holding ridiculously large sandwiches while sitting on a picnic blanket. But then remember Anna blurted out "sandwiches!" in response to Hans's line "We finish each's others'..." in "Love is an Open Door", meaning sandwiches are one of Anna's favorite foods[[note]]This also get a nod in Disney/FrozenFever: Elsa lets Anna find a sandwich during the "treasure hunt", to which Anna delightedly exclaims "Ooh, sandwich!". They are clearly her favorite food only second to chocolate[[/note]]. So when Elsa created Olaf, he got many of her memories of Anna and thus imagines Anna making an oversized sandwich, or something like that.
14th Nov '16 1:00:13 AM LB7979
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* In "In Summer," during Olaf's imagine spot, Anna and Kristoff appear at one point for no real explained reason and they're shown holding ridiculously large sandwiches while sitting on a picnic blanket. But then remember Anna blurted out "sandwiches!" in response to Hans's line "We finish each's others'..." in "Love is an Open Door", meaning sandwiches are one of Anna's favorite foods. So when Elsa created Olaf, he got many of her memories of Anna and thus imagines Anna making an oversized sandwich, or something like that.

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* In "In Summer," during Olaf's imagine spot, Anna and Kristoff appear at one point for no real explained reason and they're shown holding ridiculously large sandwiches while sitting on a picnic blanket. But then remember Anna blurted out "sandwiches!" in response to Hans's line "We finish each's others'..." in "Love is an Open Door", meaning sandwiches are one of Anna's favorite foods.foods[[note]]This also get a nod in Disney/FrozenFever: Elsa lets Anna find a sandwich during the "treasure hunt", to which delightedly exclaims "Ooh, sandwich!". They are clearly her favorite food only second to chocolate[[/note]]. So when Elsa created Olaf, he got many of her memories of Anna and thus imagines Anna making an oversized sandwich, or something like that.
14th Nov '16 12:42:16 AM LB7979
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** Additionally, the meaningfulness of her not being able to finish the word, sentence and song because her running into Hans. It goes like this:
--->'''Anna:''' ''[Exhilarated]'' Nothing's in my waaaa-''[BAM, slams into Hans]''
::: Signifying 1) Anna you're wrong, something ''is'' in your way 2) That something is Hans.


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** Another real life example: the former queen of the Netherlands' birthday was January 31st, but its celebration (a national holiday, during which everybody goes out on the streets) was April 30. They just kept the date of the birthday of the queen before that (her mother). The current king's birthday is April 27th and now it is again celebrated on that exact date.
17th Oct '16 6:02:12 PM ThallianGold
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* Consider that Hans has been shown to be a MagnificentBastard on a scale rarely seen in Disney canon, who expertly manipulated both the protagonist [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and the audience]] until TheReveal. It seems out of character, then, for him to immediately engage in BondVillainStupidty and simply assume Anna would be a good girl and die out of sight, as opposed to, say, [[NightmareFuel locking the door, pulling up a chair, and watching to be sure.]] This wouldn't even change the subsequent scene's script much, since Olaf's the kind of person who'd care more about chatting up Anna than fighting off a murderous Hans. Upgrading Hans to that level of evil, though, would have cost the film its G-rating.
13th Oct '16 7:48:07 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** The ''Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he realize what he's done wrong. But by that point, no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.]]

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** The ''Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he start to realize what he's done wrong. But by that point, no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.]]
13th Oct '16 6:44:00 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** The ''Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time]].
* Imagine all of the people in Arendelle, including children and the elderly, who might have gotten pneumonia when eternal winter hit.

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** The ''Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail [[spoiler: (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time]].
time. The book also states that Hans was never a sociopath from childhood, but being forced to commit atrocities and being bullied year after year by his brothers made him desperate and filled with rage. He originally goes to Arendelle with the fairly mild goal of marrying Elsa and leaving, but once he meets Anna, his sociopathy apparently starts running in full force. From that point onwards, we see Hans becoming more and more of a sociopath and seeing everyone as pawns. Leaving him in charge of Arendelle makes his state even worse, with power going right to his head and Hans becoming determined to hang onto it at all costs, even though he is genuinely nice to the population. This drives him to become more cold until he has zero issues leaving Anna to die and killing Elsa. Only at the end, when he's imprisoned and in disgrace, does he realize what he's done wrong. But by that point, no one is willing to trust him thanks to the damage he caused.]]
* Imagine all of the people in Arendelle, including children and the elderly, who might have gotten pneumonia when eternal winter hit.
11th Oct '16 11:01:40 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* What kind of childhood did [[spoiler: [[FreudianExcuse Hans have if it turned him into a complete sociopath?]] What kind of treatment from his brothers could he have received that it made him concoct an EvilPlan and feel no remorse for killing an innocent or two, or toying with a girl's feelings? And at the end of the film, he's on a ship headed back to those brothers...]] You get an idea from one throwaway line.
[[spoiler:Treating him like he isn't there for an entire year isn't the worst thing they've done.]]
** The novelization goes into detail (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sounded suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm.

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* What kind of childhood did [[spoiler: [[FreudianExcuse Hans have if it turned him into a complete sociopath?]] What kind of treatment from his brothers could he have received that it made him concoct an EvilPlan and feel no remorse for killing an innocent or two, or toying with a girl's feelings? And at the end of the film, he's on a ship headed back to those brothers...]] You get an idea from one throwaway line. \n [[spoiler:Treating him like he isn't there for an entire year isn't the worst thing they've done.]]
** The ''Frozen Heart'' novelization goes into detail (for example Hans was glad it was a piece of bread that got thrown at his head instead of a glass like last time), including some lines that sounded sound suspiciously like descriptions of self-harm.self-harm. He's also been thrown off a moving cart more than once and suffered cruel practical jokes from an early age. His father is a cold, unfeeling tyrant who uses his sons to violently suppress any criticism and although the queen cares for Hans, giving birth and raising 13 sons has weakened her greatly and left her unable to intervene. Hans has also be sent to do some horrible, horrible things in the past, such as a hint that he was ordered to [[spoiler: help execute villagers who weren't able to pay their taxes on time]].
3rd Oct '16 9:14:19 AM MrDeath
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* Remember what Grand Pabbie did to Anna to save her from having a literal brain freeze? He modified her memories in addition to curing the freeze. Let that sink in for a bit: A powerful troll has the ability to implant FalseMemories. It's a good thing that the trolls in Arendelle are a nice bunch, but what do you think may happen should there be a renegade troll, an EvilCounterpart of Grandpabbie if you will, frolicking around messing with people's memories?
** An EvilCounterpart of Grandpabbie would instead make people see only the bad things in life. Which would make them similar to the trolls in the original Snow Queen tale.
** Speaking of literal brain freeze, even after growing up Anna still acts like a young child. Her mindset was literally frozen in place.

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* Remember what Grand Pabbie did to Anna to save her from having a literal brain freeze? He modified her memories in addition to curing the freeze. Let that sink in for a bit: A powerful troll has the ability to implant FalseMemories. It's a good thing that the trolls in Arendelle are a nice bunch, but what do you think may happen should there be a renegade troll, an EvilCounterpart of Grandpabbie if you will, frolicking around messing with people's memories?
** An EvilCounterpart of Grandpabbie would instead make people see only the bad things in life. Which would make them similar to the trolls in the original Snow Queen tale.
** Speaking of literal brain freeze, even
Even after growing up Anna still acts like a young child. Her mindset was literally frozen in place.
2nd Oct '16 11:42:28 PM harharhar
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** It probably would have been better if she never realized that in her happiness, the weather becomes good, because otherwise, imagine how she feels when Anna tells her the Arendelle is freezing. Elsa is not just shocked ("Oh no, I've accidentally frozen my country!"), but also confused ("But the weather in the mountain is fine, how could Arendelle be snowed?"), and also [[ExactWords very much horrified]] ("When I said 'Let the storm rage on', '' this is NOT what I meant!!''")

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** It probably would have been better if she never realized that in her happiness, the weather becomes good, because otherwise, imagine how she feels when Anna tells her the Arendelle is freezing. Elsa is not just shocked ("Oh no, I've accidentally frozen my country!"), but also confused ("But the weather in the mountain is fine, how could Arendelle be snowed?"), and also [[ExactWords very much horrified]] ("When I said 'Let the storm rage on', '' this ''this is NOT what I meant!!''")



* Within just a few days after Elsa accidentally unleashes an EndlessWinter upon Arendelle, it already appeared as though the kingdom has been snowed over for years despite it being ''summer''. One can't help but shudder as the possible consequences of this magical accident being unleashed in proper ''winter''.

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* Within just a few days after Elsa accidentally unleashes an EndlessWinter upon Arendelle, it already appeared as though the kingdom has been snowed over for years despite it being ''summer''. One can't help but shudder as at the possible consequences of this magical accident being unleashed in proper ''winter''.



* Remember what Grand Pabbie did to Anna to save her from having a literal brain freeze? He modified her memories in addition to curing the freeze. Let that sink in for a bit: A powerful troll has the ability to implant FalseMemories. It's a good thing that the trolls in Arendelle are a nice bunch, but what do you think may happen should there be a renegade troll, an EvilCounterpart of Grandpabbie, frolicking around messing with people's memories?

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* Remember what Grand Pabbie did to Anna to save her from having a literal brain freeze? He modified her memories in addition to curing the freeze. Let that sink in for a bit: A powerful troll has the ability to implant FalseMemories. It's a good thing that the trolls in Arendelle are a nice bunch, but what do you think may happen should there be a renegade troll, an EvilCounterpart of Grandpabbie, Grandpabbie if you will, frolicking around messing with people's memories?



* At the moment Anna dives in front of Hans's sword, she had ''no idea'' that she would freeze at the critical moment: not only could she have frozen too early and not gotten there, but she could have frozen too ''late''.. and ''taken the sword hit''. The situation was a microsecond away from Elsa, already distraught on the ice of the fjord, being left ''in a pool of her sister's blood'' and whatever else was left of her.. and no amount of true love being able to heal that. And that's assuming Hans didn't go on and slash her as well.

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* At the moment Anna dives in front of Hans's sword, she had ''no idea'' that she would freeze at the critical moment: not only could she have frozen too early and not gotten there, but she could have frozen too ''late''..''late''... and ''taken the sword hit''. The situation was a microsecond away from Elsa, already distraught on the ice of the fjord, being left ''in a pool of her sister's blood'' and whatever else was left of her.. and no amount of true love being able to heal that. And that's assuming Hans didn't go on and slash her as well.


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** There's also the fact that just earlier, Hans had lied to the Arendelle cabinet and Duke of Weselton that Anna had died. Even if he succeeded in killing Anna and Elsa in this scenario, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that he would have lost his position as a noble successor of the throne, and could have easily followed the sisters straight to the grave. This would leave the Duke alive and mostly well, and given his view on Arendelle, the kingdom could easily vanish overnight with no heir to take the throne with a power-hungry foreign minister about to exploit Arendelle for what it's worth.
14th Jul '16 3:07:51 PM Discar
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* When Elsa was still young, the King told her to "Conceal it, don't feel it," a mantra she adopted to keep her powers in check. However, she slightly changed it to "Conceal, don't feel", showing that she misunderstood her father's meaning (as many young kids do). He was telling her to ignore her ''powers'' by acting like they weren't there. Instead, Elsa believed she could no longer ''feel'' any emotion without unleashing her powers, hence the eventual total loss of control. Elsa's misunderstanding was further reinforced by the few times she observed her parents interacting with others outside the family. Being the king and queen, they would act guarded and reserved, and Elsa would be interpret that as them concealing, not feeling.
** The King seems to have believed that if Elsa suppressed her powers, ie: ignored them and didn't use them, they would fade away. According to WordOfGod he'd realized that this was not working and was planning a complete change of tactics after he and the Queen returned from their trip.
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