History Fridge / FireEmblemAwakening

9th Jul '17 4:31:02 PM PrincessGwen
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* The marriage and inheritance system at work: Chrom is a descendant of the Exalted One and carries a special mark of Naga. Emmeryn also has one, [[spoiler: Lissa does not have one, but her son Owain does, to her delight.]] On the other side of the fence, Validar, the evil wizard attempting to resurrect Grima, carries Grima's blood. [[spoiler: The Avatar is the son/daughter of Validar and as it turns out, the perfect host for Grima because of centuries of genetic manipulation by Grima's followers. By extension, the Avatar also has Grima's blood. A Female Avatar marrying Chrom, or a Male Avatar marrying Lucina will wind up producing a Morgan (and Lucina, if you married Chrom) with blood from both Naga AND Grima. But despite that fact, there is little mention of Morgan's role in the story in the event you do marry one of them.]]
** If you're wondering why [[spoiler:Morgan]] or any one of the Avatar's children is incapable of becoming [[spoiler:Grima's vessel,]] the simple answer is [[spoiler: Grima's blood]] in them is no longer pure. Remember, the Grimleal spent generations just to breed the perfect person to become Grima where they most likely only pair up the purebloods together to conceive a child in each generation until a perfect [[PureIsNotGood pureblood]] is born. The Avatar marrying Chrom or [[spoiler:Lucina]] for example would only produce a child that's no longer pure of Grima's blood, but also is tainted with the blood of the Exalted One making him or her incapable of becoming [[spoiler:Grima.]]
** Also: [[spoiler: Morgan's amnesia is suspiciously similar to the Avatar's, with the only difference being that the former remembers all the time they spent with the latter (i.e. all the time s/he spent with Grima's human form). It's [[WildMassGuessing possible]] that Grima ''did'' try to possess Morgan in some other timeline, but failed because of Morgan's mixed heritage, leaving him/her with only memories connected to Grima, or by proxy, the Avatar.]]

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* The marriage and inheritance system at work: Chrom is a descendant of the Exalted One and carries a special mark of Naga. Emmeryn also has one, [[spoiler: Lissa [[spoiler:Lissa does not have one, but her son Owain does, to her delight.]] On the other side of the fence, Validar, the evil wizard attempting to resurrect Grima, carries Grima's blood. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Avatar is the son/daughter of Validar and as it turns out, the perfect host for Grima because of centuries of genetic manipulation by Grima's followers. By extension, the Avatar also has Grima's blood. A Female Avatar marrying Chrom, or a Male Avatar marrying Lucina will wind up producing a Morgan (and Lucina, if you married Chrom) with blood from both Naga AND Grima. But despite that fact, there is little mention of Morgan's role in the story in the event you do marry one of them.]]
** If you're wondering why [[spoiler:Morgan]] or any one of the Avatar's children is incapable of becoming [[spoiler:Grima's vessel,]] the simple answer is [[spoiler: Grima's [[spoiler:Grima's blood]] in them is no longer pure. Remember, the Grimleal spent generations just to breed the perfect person to become Grima where they most likely only pair up the purebloods together to conceive a child in each generation until a perfect [[PureIsNotGood pureblood]] is born. The Avatar marrying Chrom or [[spoiler:Lucina]] for example would only produce a child that's no longer pure of Grima's blood, but also is tainted with the blood of the Exalted One making him or her incapable of becoming [[spoiler:Grima.]]
** Also: [[spoiler: Morgan's [[spoiler:Morgan's amnesia is suspiciously similar to the Avatar's, with the only difference being that the former remembers all the time they spent with the latter (i.e. all the time s/he spent with Grima's human form). It's [[WildMassGuessing possible]] that Grima ''did'' try to possess Morgan in some other timeline, but failed because of Morgan's mixed heritage, leaving him/her with only memories connected to Grima, or by proxy, the Avatar.]]



*** Actually, consider this - Chrom and Lissa's parents are not seen in the story. For all we know, one of them has Blonde hair, and one has blue hair. It could have been either one - maybe their father.

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*** Actually, consider this - Chrom and Lissa's parents are not seen in the story. For all we know, one of them has Blonde blonde hair, and one has blue hair. It could have been either one - maybe their father.



*** Yeah, but consider that Lissa has a lot more freedom of choice now that she's no longer directly in line for the throne with [[spoiler: Lucina's birth, and probably other children of Chrom, displacing her in the line of succession.]] If she had still been next in line like she had been in Chapters 10 and 11 when she married she probably would have stayed in the palace. Hell, that's more or less implied to have happened if you marry Lissa off before the timeskip.

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*** Yeah, but consider that Lissa has a lot more freedom of choice now that she's no longer directly in line for the throne with [[spoiler: Lucina's [[spoiler:Lucina's birth, and probably other children of Chrom, displacing her in the line of succession.]] If she had still been next in line like she had been in Chapters 10 and 11 when she married she probably would have stayed in the palace. Hell, that's more or less implied to have happened if you marry Lissa off before the timeskip.



** [[spoiler: Owain [[NeverFoundTheBody didn't actually see him die]], so it's possible that in Owain's timeline, the Avatar came to his senses after being forced to kill Chrom, and then was captured later by the Grimleal and turned into Grima. Still contradicts what Grima himself says later on, but not by as much.]]

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** [[spoiler: Owain [[spoiler:Owain [[NeverFoundTheBody didn't actually see him die]], so it's possible that in Owain's timeline, the Avatar came to his senses after being forced to kill Chrom, and then was captured later by the Grimleal and turned into Grima. Still contradicts what Grima himself says later on, but not by as much.]]



* If [[spoiler: the Avatar]] is close enough to being Grima for [[spoiler: him/her killing Grima to count as Grima being killed by it's own power]] to meet the conditions for Grima to die permanently, why isn't the opposite true? [[spoiler: Shouldn't Grima killing another part of itself kill it?]]
** [[spoiler: Simple answer: Grima never kills the Avatar, he simply sends them back to the pocket dimension seen in the final chapter and absorbs them. Thus, game over.]]
** That, or the explanation is similar to [[spoiler: how Voldemort is defeated. The mark of Grima disappears from Robin's hand, so the Grima-related parts of Robin's heritage were killed off, but not technically Robin him/herself]].
** No. The [[spoiler: bond between them]] is sort of a one way street in that regard. Grima doesn't need [[spoiler: the Avatar]] to survive. He's already been resurrected. [[spoiler: The Avatar simply has a pure enough concentration of fell dragon blood in his veins that]] he's able to replicate Grima's dark power, which is the only thing capable of permanently killing him. It's kind of like the difference between cutting off your hand or using your hand to commit suicide.

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* If [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Avatar]] is close enough to being Grima for [[spoiler: him/her [[spoiler:him/her killing Grima to count as Grima being killed by it's own power]] to meet the conditions for Grima to die permanently, why isn't the opposite true? [[spoiler: Shouldn't [[spoiler:Shouldn't Grima killing another part of itself kill it?]]
** [[spoiler: Simple [[spoiler:Simple answer: Grima never kills the Avatar, he simply sends them back to the pocket dimension seen in the final chapter and absorbs them. Thus, game over.]]
** That, or the explanation is similar to [[spoiler: how [[spoiler:how Voldemort is defeated. The mark of Grima disappears from Robin's hand, so the Grima-related parts of Robin's heritage were killed off, but not technically Robin him/herself]].
** No. The [[spoiler: bond [[spoiler:bond between them]] is sort of a one way street in that regard. Grima doesn't need [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Avatar]] to survive. He's already been resurrected. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Avatar simply has a pure enough concentration of fell dragon blood in his veins that]] he's able to replicate Grima's dark power, which is the only thing capable of permanently killing him. It's kind of like the difference between cutting off your hand or using your hand to commit suicide.



** Actually, it's simpler than that. [[spoiler: In the Future Past DLC, Lucina says that in her timeline (the original one), at least one of the gemstones that make up the Fire Emblem was destroyed, making it impossible to complete the Awakening. That may not have stopped her from at least trying to perform the Awakening before going back in time, which may have given her some (but not all) of the Falchion's latent power.]]
* How did Plegia fund the war against Ylisse and Ferox? After all, Chrom's father led a war against it about fifteen years before the game, and by that time both Ylisse and Plegia were in ruins. It's explicitly stated that Plegia is rich and Chrom [[spoiler: even asks them for ships, aid, fund, etc. before going to war with Valm.]]

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** Actually, it's simpler than that. [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In the Future Past DLC, Lucina says that in her timeline (the original one), at least one of the gemstones that make up the Fire Emblem was destroyed, making it impossible to complete the Awakening. That may not have stopped her from at least trying to perform the Awakening before going back in time, which may have given her some (but not all) of the Falchion's latent power.]]
* How did Plegia fund the war against Ylisse and Ferox? After all, Chrom's father led a war against it about fifteen years before the game, and by that time both Ylisse and Plegia were in ruins. It's explicitly stated that Plegia is rich and Chrom [[spoiler: even [[spoiler:even asks them for ships, aid, fund, etc. before going to war with Valm.]]



* * HilariousInHindsight: Laurent is often criticised for being a male version of his mother, Miriel. And what doesn't help is the fact, that ALL of his Critical/Skill Activation quotes in the Japanese version are the exact same lines as her's.

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* * HilariousInHindsight: Laurent is often criticised for being a male version of his mother, Miriel. And what doesn't help is the fact, that ALL of his Critical/Skill Activation quotes in the Japanese version are the exact same lines as her's.
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** [[spoiler: However, since Grima requires a vessel and everyone involved in the Grimleal breeding program is dead, Grima may be effectively sealed permanently, depending on who the Avatar marries and if there are enough others with Grima blood. For instance, if the Avatar married Tiki, than Morgan is Naga's granddaughter and much worse than useless in any attempt to create a vessel.]]

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** [[spoiler: However, [[spoiler:However, since Grima requires a vessel and everyone involved in the Grimleal breeding program is dead, Grima may be effectively sealed permanently, depending on who the Avatar marries and if there are enough others with Grima blood. For instance, if the Avatar married Tiki, than Morgan is Naga's granddaughter and much worse than useless in any attempt to create a vessel.]]



* Priam, [[spoiler: Ike's descendant]], has a [[MightMakesRight philosophy]] ''[[YouAreWhatYouHate scarily similar to]] [[SocialDarwinist Ashnard's...]]''

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* Priam, [[spoiler: Ike's [[spoiler:Ike's descendant]], has a [[MightMakesRight philosophy]] ''[[YouAreWhatYouHate scarily similar to]] [[SocialDarwinist Ashnard's...]]''



* Morgan is mong the youngest of the children units- they have almost definitely not been concieved until after the game ends based on their relative age to Lucina. This means that Lucina was ready to not only kill Robin, but also prevent Morgan from ever being born. Even worse when Robin is Chrom's wife, which means Lucina was prepared to prevent her own brother from being born (in addition to the already horrifying implications of being prepared to kill her mom).

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* Morgan is mong among the youngest of the children units- they have almost definitely not been concieved conceived until after the game ends based on their relative age to Lucina. This means that Lucina was ready to not only kill Robin, but also prevent Morgan from ever being born. Even worse when Robin is Chrom's wife, which means Lucina was prepared to prevent her own brother from being born (in addition to the already horrifying implications of being prepared to kill her mom).



* The death of one of the [[spoiler: future kids' fathers]] raises some disturbing implications about their fate if you think about it. There are only two likely possibilities for them if this is the case, and neither is a particularly good: [[spoiler: Either their past self has already been conceived before their father's death and their mother is now going into battle as a pregnant widow, '''or''', they ''weren't'' already conceived and their father's death effectively erased this universe's version of themselves from existence.]]

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* The death of one of the [[spoiler: future [[spoiler:future kids' fathers]] raises some disturbing implications about their fate if you think about it. There are only two likely possibilities for them if this is the case, and neither is a particularly good: [[spoiler: Either [[spoiler:Either their past self has already been conceived before their father's death and their mother is now going into battle as a pregnant widow, '''or''', they ''weren't'' already conceived and their father's death effectively erased this universe's version of themselves from existence.]]



** Owain is a myrmidon, which is a class that is otherwise exclusive to people of Chon'sin descent (Lon'qu, Say'ri, Yen'fay). But, in Manichaeism myths, Myrmidons were described as "demonic soldiers that fight for darkness". A description like that would certainly interest someone like Owain.
** Severa is a mercenary. In her paralogue, she is outright referred to as a mercenary. It's possible she became a mercenary to make enough money to survive in the past.
** Inigo is also a mercenary, but for a different reason. He is a skilled dancer, and the mercenary fighting animations are very much like acrobatic flips seen in advanced dancing.
** Morgan will only inherit the tactician class if their other parent is a dancer (Olivia), a lord (Chrom or Lucina), [[spoiler: or a conqueror (Walhart)]]. For the dancer, Morgan likely just doesn't have the level of skill required to dance like Olivia and help people act twice a turn. For the lord, Morgan doesn't get the class because they aren't the next in the order of succession, so of course, they don't get that class.[[spoiler: As for the conqueror, this class is exclusiv to Walhart because he has been conquering since before the game even began. He earned that title through intense hardship.]]

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** Owain is a myrmidon, Myrmidon, which is a class that is otherwise exclusive to people of Chon'sin descent (Lon'qu, Say'ri, Yen'fay). But, in Manichaeism myths, Myrmidons were described as "demonic soldiers that fight for darkness". A description like that would certainly interest someone like Owain.
** Severa is a mercenary.Mercenary. In her paralogue, she is outright referred to as a mercenary. It's possible she became a mercenary to make enough money to survive in the past.
** Inigo is also a mercenary, Mercenary, but for a different reason. He is a skilled dancer, and the mercenary Mercenary fighting animations are very much like acrobatic flips seen in advanced dancing.
** Morgan will only inherit the tactician Tactician class if their other parent is a dancer Dancer (Olivia), a lord Lord (Chrom or Lucina), [[spoiler: or [[spoiler:or a conqueror Conqueror (Walhart)]]. For the dancer, Dancer, Morgan likely just doesn't have the level of skill required to dance like Olivia and help people act twice a turn. For the lord, Lord, Morgan doesn't get the class because they aren't the next in the order of succession, so of course, they don't get that class.[[spoiler: As class. [[spoiler:As for the conqueror, Conqueror, this class is exclusiv exclusive to Walhart because he has been conquering since before the game even began. He earned that title through intense hardship.]]
8th Jul '17 7:50:45 AM connornimbus
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* In her B-support with the Avatar, Tharja presents him/her with a slice of liver-and-eel pie, which she states to be the Avatar's favorite. While this could just be evidence of her unhealthy obsession over the Avatar, the Avatar's taste for such a... curious dish could stem from [[spoiler: his/her Plegian birth.]]

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* In her B-support with the Avatar, Tharja presents him/her with a slice of liver-and-eel pie, which she states to be the Avatar's favorite. While this could just be evidence of her unhealthy obsession over the Avatar, the Avatar's taste for such a... curious dish could stem from [[spoiler: his/her Plegian birth.]]
* Most of the children just inherit their canon parent's class, but some are a different class entirely. There is still some logic behind those children:
** Owain is a myrmidon, which is a class that is otherwise exclusive to people of Chon'sin descent (Lon'qu, Say'ri, Yen'fay). But, in Manichaeism myths, Myrmidons were described as "demonic soldiers that fight for darkness". A description like that would certainly interest someone like Owain.
** Severa is a mercenary. In her paralogue, she is outright referred to as a mercenary. It's possible she became a mercenary to make enough money to survive in the past.
** Inigo is also a mercenary, but for a different reason. He is a skilled dancer, and the mercenary fighting animations are very much like acrobatic flips seen in advanced dancing.
** Morgan will only inherit the tactician class if their other parent is a dancer (Olivia), a lord (Chrom or Lucina), [[spoiler: or a conqueror (Walhart)]]. For the dancer, Morgan likely just doesn't have the level of skill required to dance like Olivia and help people act twice a turn. For the lord, Morgan doesn't get the class because they aren't the next in the order of succession, so of course, they don't get that class.[[spoiler: As for the conqueror, this class is exclusiv to Walhart because he has been conquering since before the game even began. He earned that title through intense hardship.
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3rd Jul '17 7:00:25 AM connornimbus
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* Morgan is mong the youngest of the children units- they have almost definitely not been concieved until after the game ends based on their relative age to Lucina. This means that Lucina was ready to not only kill Robin, but also prevent Morgan from ever being born. Even worse when Robin is Chrom's wife, which means Lucina was prepared to prevent her own brother from being born (in addition to the already horrifying implications of being prepared to kill her mom).
14th Jun '17 2:34:42 AM JSND
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* Stahl and Sully's supports feature Sully pushing Stahl to be [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia the Abel to her Cain,]] who are nicknamed Panther and Bull, respectively. What's funny about this is that Sully's growth rates are geared toward speed, and Stahl's growth rates are geared toward power, so it's more likely that Sully will end up resembling a sleek, agile panther, and Stahl a hardy, powerful bull.

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* Stahl and Sully's supports feature Sully pushing Stahl to be [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia the Abel to her Cain,]] who are nicknamed Panther and Bull, respectively. What's funny confusing about this is that Sully's growth rates are geared toward speed, and Stahl's growth rates are geared toward power, so it's more likely that Sully will end up resembling a sleek, agile panther, and Stahl a hardy, powerful bull.bull. Until you realize that ''The Bull'' Cain does specialize in speed to ''The Panther'' Abel's strength.
9th Jun '17 7:12:54 PM OnerousEagle
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*** Japanese does not have apostrophes, so this doesn't count. There's no evidence it's more than a choice by the localizing team.
9th Jun '17 7:01:52 PM OnerousEagle
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*** It's probably also worth noting that there is no Christianity in Fire Emblem. We all know this, do we not?
9th Jun '17 6:41:17 PM OnerousEagle
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*** That only explains Morgan's existence. MU had his/her children before [[spoiler: Getting Possessed by Grima]]. However, when Mark is say, the daughter of Lucina... [[spoiler: [[DoomedByCanon the cycle had]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption to have happened again]]-- at least one time where Lucina went back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, fell in love with MU, but MU STILL got Possessed by Grima, Killed Chrom, and set forth the BadFuture AGAIN.]]

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*** That only explains Morgan's existence. MU had his/her children before [[spoiler: Getting Possessed by Grima]]. However, when Mark Morgan is say, the daughter of Lucina... [[spoiler: [[DoomedByCanon the cycle had]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption to have happened again]]-- at least one time where Lucina went back to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, fell in love with MU, but MU STILL got Possessed by Grima, Killed Chrom, and set forth the BadFuture AGAIN.]]



*** This issue may be answered with future DLC, which presumably involves [[spoiler: Krom's army traveling to the BadFuture timeline and saving ''that'' universe, allowing everyone from both realities to live happily ever after.]]

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*** This issue may be answered with future DLC, which presumably involves [[spoiler: Krom's army traveling to the BadFuture timeline and saving ''that'' universe, allowing everyone from both realities to live happily ever after.]]
10th Apr '17 7:36:06 AM OmegaRadiance
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*** Even worse here: If what Panne said about the Laguz is true, combine that with the above and it's possible that ''every non-human creature barring the female Divine Manaketes and actual animals were wiped out in some purge'', and if you think about it, who else started a religious purge? [[spoiler:''Chrom's Father who tried to wipe out the Plegians'']] and [[spoiler:''Lekain of VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius who committed the Serenes Forest Massacre'']]. Considering how they are overzealous and religious fanatics, it's completely plausible that ''[[spoiler:Chrom's Father]] is the one who wiped out the Laguz, Taguel, and the other Manaketes''...



* Panne's B Support with the Avatar raises the possibility that all the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Laguz from Tellius]] may be dead by the time of Awakening...
** Hopefully not all - Henry mentions in an event tile that he once saw a man transform into a raven. However, if what Panne's saying is true, there may not be as many Laguz as there used to be. Imagine how much worse their relations with Beorc/Humans must be at this point.
*** However, considering that ''[[SoleSurvivor Pan]][[HumansAreBastards ne]]'' is the one saying it, she may just be throwing out assumptions based on what happened to the Taguel and nothing serious probably happened to the Laguz.
*** [[ProudWarriorRaceGirl Panne]] is a [[KillerRabbit Taguel]] right? You know, the [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shapeshifters]] who transform with stones who ''aren't dragons''? Now remember ''why'' the dragons had to seal their power in dragonstones in the first place? They were weakening and their own power was driving them mad (which is what happened to all the [[AlasPoorVillain Earth]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Dragons]] barring Medeus and Loptyr). Panne never outright stated that she met Laguz, but she references them when she said that there were others like her (cat wearers, bird wearers, etc.), meaning others who transformed, ''possibly using stones''. Henry himself said he saw a man transform into a raven, but how he did is never mentioned. And if the theory about the Laguz evolving into the Taguel is true, then ''the Laguz suffered a fate similar to the Manaketes''. Manaketes were called such ''AFTER'' they assumed human forms, and before that they were simply called dragons. Worse, Panne said her kind were enslaved by humans, ''just like the Laguz''-no wonder Taguel had to start sealing their power into stones! Seems the peace established between the laguz and the beorc crumbled into dust sometime after the ones who helped accomplish it were long dead. Ouch.
22nd Mar '17 8:20:14 AM PhilEdP
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** During the events of Mystery of the Emblem, [[spoiler:Hardin destroyed Altea]], which is why when [[spoiler:Marth becomes the emperor of Archanea]], he moves to its palace.

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** During the events of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Mystery of the Emblem, Emblem]], [[spoiler:Hardin destroyed Altea]], which is why when [[spoiler:Marth becomes the emperor of Archanea]], he moves to its palace.palace. One can only imagine what else may have happened afterwards, though.
22nd Mar '17 8:14:09 AM PhilEdP
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**During the events of Mystery of the Emblem, [[spoiler:Hardin destroyed Altea]], which is why when [[spoiler:Marth becomes the emperor of Archanea]], he moves to its palace.
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