History Fridge / FinalFantasyXII

20th May '17 1:27:12 PM nombretomado
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*** Finally, there is one thing that often missed about the game. Some players have complained that the main characters did not take part in the most "interesting" parts of the story: there are epic battles and political maneuvering, but Ashe & co are wandering the countryside and are seldom linked with the "heavy" stuff. But this is the whole point of the story: most of what the main characters do will be regarded as insignificant by historians, but it is these apparently insignificant deeds that will have changed the tide of history. Now, an important point of the plot of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' and ''VagrantStory'' was that events recorded in historical chronicles (like battles, the rise of kings and emperors, etc...) are not always as important as you would believe. There is a good chance that Ashe will be remembered for infiltrating the ''Bahamut'' and killing Vayne, an impressive feat, yes, but the really relevant deed -- refusing to avenge her husband and her kingdom and destroying the Sun Cryst -- will probably be neglected by historians and eventually forgotten. Basically, this means that the games of the Ivalice verse share a common Aesop. Damn, this game is deep. -Nixou-

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*** Finally, there is one thing that often missed about the game. Some players have complained that the main characters did not take part in the most "interesting" parts of the story: there are epic battles and political maneuvering, but Ashe & co are wandering the countryside and are seldom linked with the "heavy" stuff. But this is the whole point of the story: most of what the main characters do will be regarded as insignificant by historians, but it is these apparently insignificant deeds that will have changed the tide of history. Now, an important point of the plot of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' and ''VagrantStory'' ''VideoGame/VagrantStory'' was that events recorded in historical chronicles (like battles, the rise of kings and emperors, etc...) are not always as important as you would believe. There is a good chance that Ashe will be remembered for infiltrating the ''Bahamut'' and killing Vayne, an impressive feat, yes, but the really relevant deed -- refusing to avenge her husband and her kingdom and destroying the Sun Cryst -- will probably be neglected by historians and eventually forgotten. Basically, this means that the games of the Ivalice verse share a common Aesop. Damn, this game is deep. -Nixou-
21st Apr '17 10:08:21 PM nombretomado
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*** May I direct you [[{{Suikoden}} thisaway]]? --{{Vulpy}}

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*** May I direct you [[{{Suikoden}} [[VideoGame/{{Suikoden}} thisaway]]? --{{Vulpy}}
8th Mar '17 11:48:16 AM mlsmithca
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*** Finally, there is one thing that often missed about the game. Some players have complained that the main characters did not take part in the most "interesting" parts of the story: there are epic battles and political maneuvering, but Ashe & co are wandering the countryside and are seldom linked with the "heavy" stuff. But this is the whole point of the story: most of what the main characters do will be regarded as insignificant by historians, but it is these apparently insignificant deeds that will have changed the tide of history. Now, an important point of the plot of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' and ''VagrantStory'' was that events recorded in historical chronicles (like battles, the rise of kings and emperors, etc...) are not always as important as you would believe. There is a good chance that Ashe will be remembered for infiltrating the ''Bahamut'' and killing Vayne, an impressive feat, yes, but the really relevant deed -- refusing to avenge her husband and her kingdom and destroying the Sun Cryst -- will probably be neglected by historians and eventually forgotten. Basically, this means that the games of the Ivalice verse share a common Aesop. Damn, [[SoCoolItsAwesome this game is deep]]. -Nixou-

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*** Finally, there is one thing that often missed about the game. Some players have complained that the main characters did not take part in the most "interesting" parts of the story: there are epic battles and political maneuvering, but Ashe & co are wandering the countryside and are seldom linked with the "heavy" stuff. But this is the whole point of the story: most of what the main characters do will be regarded as insignificant by historians, but it is these apparently insignificant deeds that will have changed the tide of history. Now, an important point of the plot of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' and ''VagrantStory'' was that events recorded in historical chronicles (like battles, the rise of kings and emperors, etc...) are not always as important as you would believe. There is a good chance that Ashe will be remembered for infiltrating the ''Bahamut'' and killing Vayne, an impressive feat, yes, but the really relevant deed -- refusing to avenge her husband and her kingdom and destroying the Sun Cryst -- will probably be neglected by historians and eventually forgotten. Basically, this means that the games of the Ivalice verse share a common Aesop. Damn, [[SoCoolItsAwesome this game is deep]].deep. -Nixou-
16th Oct '16 9:54:22 AM nombretomado
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*** Another point for GreyAndGrayMorality: all the summons you get in this game are ''evil'', either as the future villains of FinalFantasyTactics or [[{{Expy}} expies]] of past games' [[BigBad Big Bads]] ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Shemhazai]], but she still fits the pattern). The good-aligned summons you've used in past games, like Bahamut, Leviathan, and Alexander? They're still present, but they're the namesakes of ''the enemy's'' warships, not yours.

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*** Another point for GreyAndGrayMorality: all the summons you get in this game are ''evil'', either as the future villains of FinalFantasyTactics ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' or [[{{Expy}} expies]] of past games' [[BigBad Big Bads]] ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Shemhazai]], but she still fits the pattern). The good-aligned summons you've used in past games, like Bahamut, Leviathan, and Alexander? They're still present, but they're the namesakes of ''the enemy's'' warships, not yours.
24th Apr '16 10:18:13 PM NickTheSwing
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* We know that Final Fantasy Tactics comes after Final Fantasy XII. We also know this means most of the other sentient races go extinct and humanity loses airship technology. We ''also'' know that Bhujerba is a continent floating in the sky reachable only by airship. When humanity loses the ability to make use of airships and the mining on Bhjerba was already getting at the material keeping them up there...[[ColonyDrop what]] ''[[EverybodysDeadDave happens]]'' [[NoEndorHolocaust to]] Bhujerba?
23rd Jan '16 6:23:44 AM frogwidget
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* Listen again to Vayne Solidor's introductory speech to Dalmasca. It's full of obvious Narm but the line that sticks out is "Here I will pay my debt! I swear it now!" [[spoiler: By the end of the game the Archadian Senate is dissolved leaving Larsa and Vayne in a position of absolute power, Larsa and Al-Cid are in positions to broker for peace between the empires, the Sun-Cryst is destroyed and Vayne dies against the party over Dalmasca in a battle that severely hinders the Archadian military. Whether intentionally or by a hell of a coincidence, Vayne fulfills his promise.]]
22nd Dec '15 9:00:13 PM Gingerkitteh
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*** What exactly are you handing over when you spend License Points? Evidence that you've been performing community service such as destroying creatures that would normally threaten the general populace. In return, you're actually ''being trained'' in the correct use of the items / skills the License applies to! How else would you know how to cast that Blizzard spell you just bought? To an untrained person, it would appear to be gibberish or they wouldn't know the proper method for accessing their MP reserves for the various spells. For instance, converting MP into ice would be quite a different process to converting it into fire, with possibly disastrous consequences for those lacking the training but trying anyway.
22nd Dec '15 8:41:12 PM Gingerkitteh
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*** Equally, the Occuria may have realised this fact about Vaan, which may have been what prompted them to send him images of Reks. Keep in mind that he and Ashe weren't the only ones hurt by the Empire. The Occuria might have sent him images to keep him from thinking clearly. Arguably, they may have been able to project images towards ''anyone'' who felt strongly enough against the Empire. Regardless, I agree that Vaan's presence certainly influenced Ashe by the end - remember how he refuses to kill Gabranth in retribution for Reks? In response to this note, I've personally put up Vaan as the Most Triumphant Example for Spaner in the Works, as well as an entry for FFXII in that same page. In light of these revelations, Vaan's Character Derailment in later games is certainly tragic. - CaellachTigerEye

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*** Equally, the Occuria may have realised this fact about Vaan, which may have been what prompted them to send him images of Reks. Keep in mind that he and Ashe weren't the only ones hurt by the Empire. The Occuria might have sent him images to keep him from thinking clearly. Arguably, they may have been able to project images towards ''anyone'' who felt strongly enough against the Empire. Regardless, I agree that Vaan's presence certainly influenced Ashe by the end - remember how he refuses to kill Gabranth in retribution for Reks? In response to this note, I've personally put up Vaan as the Most Triumphant Example for Spaner Spanner in the Works, as well as an entry for FFXII in that same page. In light of these revelations, Vaan's Character Derailment in later games is certainly tragic. - CaellachTigerEye
22nd Dec '15 8:37:14 PM Gingerkitteh
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** The Ink stain that we see right next to the judge on the logo? This is ''Venat'' people: they showed us the BigBad is hidden in plain side: s/he is the first thing you see when you begin to play. -Nixou-

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** The Ink stain that we see right next to the judge on the logo? This is ''Venat'' people: they showed us the BigBad is hidden in plain side: sight: s/he is the first thing you see when you begin to play. -Nixou-
7th Dec '15 8:15:45 PM karategal
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* FridgeBrilliance: The crashing of the hoverbike - at first seemingly a random plot device, but careful consideration leads to the first hint of the nethicite's nature.
* FridgeBrilliance: FFT actually shows how Vayne's and Venat's wishes have been fulfilled. People have said that because Ashe and co. ended the Occuria's control on history, it has caused the decline of magic, the rise of St. Ajora's ignorant religion and allowed the Lucavi to eventually attempt to cause the world's destruction; but this isnít the only thing it did: it also was what allowed Ramaza to do his actions in the first place. Ramza, a mortal, without the help of the Occuria or other gods, is able to change history on his own because Ashe and the rest ended the control of the Occuria on humanity. The whole story of ''FFT'' in relation to ''FF12'' shows how the reign of history has been put back into the hands of man.

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* FridgeBrilliance: The crashing of the hoverbike - -- at first seemingly a random plot device, but careful consideration leads to the first hint of the nethicite's nature.
* FridgeBrilliance: FFT actually shows how Vayne's and Venat's wishes have been fulfilled. People have said that because Ashe and co. ended the Occuria's control on history, it has caused the decline of magic, the rise of St. Ajora's ignorant religion and allowed the Lucavi to eventually attempt to cause the world's destruction; but this isnít the only thing it did: it also was what allowed Ramaza to do his actions in the first place. Ramza, a mortal, without the help of the Occuria or other gods, is able to change history on his own because Ashe and the rest ended the control of the Occuria on humanity. The whole story of ''FFT'' in relation to ''FF12'' ''[=FF12=]'' shows how the reign of history has been put back into the hands of man.
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