History Fridge / FeetOfClay

29th May '16 10:19:14 PM MitchellTF
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** [[WildMassGuessing You may have to pay them a wage equivalent to the cost of film.]]

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** [[WildMassGuessing You may have to pay them a wage equivalent to the cost of film.]]]]
** Because the imps never complained.
14th May '16 4:24:55 PM CharlesPhipps
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** You may have to pay them a wage equivalent to the cost of film.

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** [[WildMassGuessing You may have to pay them a wage equivalent to the cost of film.]]
14th May '16 4:24:38 PM CharlesPhipps
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* If slavery is illegal in Ankh-Morpork, and this novel establishes that you can be a magically-created lifeform that's incapable of speech and still be protected from enslavement by this stricture, then why are imps (which could ''always'' talk) still being bought and sold for use in {{Magitek}} cameras, tape recorders and [=PDA=]s in so many books to follow?

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* If slavery is illegal in Ankh-Morpork, and this novel establishes that you can be a magically-created lifeform that's incapable of speech and still be protected from enslavement by this stricture, then why are imps (which could ''always'' talk) still being bought and sold for use in {{Magitek}} cameras, tape recorders and [=PDA=]s in so many books to follow?follow?
** You may have to pay them a wage equivalent to the cost of film.
19th Dec '15 11:08:38 AM Discar
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11th Dec '15 12:55:25 PM Discar
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* The effect of Carrot putting his receipt for Dorfl the golem in Dorfl's head is obvious when you look at the ExactWords of the receipt: "I Gerhardt Sock give the barer '''full and totarl ownorship of the Golem Dorfl''' in xchange for One Dolar and '''anythinge it doz now is his responisbility''' and nuthing to doe with me." Dorfl was given new words to obey, words telling him that ''he owned himself'' and that ''he was responsible for his own actions''. This sudden introduction to the concept of philosophical agency is a Disc-shattering revelation to someone who's been unable to do anything but take orders from a master for his entire ''centuries-long'' existence, so it's no wonder [[GoMadFromTheRevelation Dorfl went a little crazy]] and raised a ruckus.
** Yet it also adds a heartwarming element to his later actions (and sums up TheAntiNihilist trope perfectly): You own yourself, and your only obligation is to take responsibility for all your actions. Therefore, Dorfl chooses to take actions for which he will be ''proud'' to take responsibility - capturing villains, saving lives, freeing his fellow golems, and existing 'To Protect And Serve'.
--> '''Dorfl:a ''' I Could Take No Notice Of That Command, But I Obey Out Of Earned Respect.

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* The effect of Carrot putting his receipt for Dorfl the golem in Dorfl's head is obvious when you look at the ExactWords of the receipt: "I Gerhardt Sock give the barer '''full and totarl ownorship of the Golem Dorfl''' in xchange for One Dolar and '''anythinge it doz now is his responisbility''' and nuthing to doe with me." Dorfl was given new words to obey, words telling him that ''he owned himself'' and that ''he was responsible for his own actions''. This sudden introduction to the concept of philosophical agency is a Disc-shattering revelation to someone who's been unable to do anything but take orders from a master for his entire ''centuries-long'' existence, so it's no wonder [[GoMadFromTheRevelation Dorfl went a little crazy]] and raised a ruckus.
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ruckus. Yet it also adds a heartwarming element to his later actions (and sums up TheAntiNihilist trope perfectly): You own yourself, and your only obligation is to take responsibility for all your actions. Therefore, Dorfl chooses to take actions for which he will be ''proud'' to take responsibility - capturing villains, saving lives, freeing his fellow golems, and existing 'To Protect And Serve'.
--> '''Dorfl:a '''Dorfl: ''' I Could Take No Notice Of That Command, But I Obey Out Of Earned Respect.



* Vetinari admits to Drumknott that he had the poisoned candle trick figured out ages before anyone else... meaning that he is directly responsible for the deaths of William and old Mrs. Easy, and could have spared them at any time if he hadn't been so patronizingly intent on letting Vimes "have his fun". But there is no indication that he knows or cares about their deaths, while the fact that Dragon and Carry didn't know or care about the deaths of little people inadvertently caught up in their schemes is used to illustrate how monstrous they ultimately are.
** Not necessarily--Mildred Easy is sent for to go home the day before the funeral, presumably because her family members are already dead or taken ill, meaning that she'd taken the poisoned [[spoiler:candles]] to them at some point before that. Her absence from the palace is only revealed as Detritus and Vimes question the servants in a scene immediately following Vimes being summoned back because Vetinari's condition has worsened. Since Vetinari doesn't actually allow himself to continue to be poisoned once he figures out the source, he clearly hasn't by that point, meaning that in all likelihood, Mrs. Easy and William died before he knew.
11th Dec '15 11:03:48 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Sooner than that, though--''Discworld/GoingPostal'' establishes that every free Golem gets one day off per week.
26th Jul '15 8:43:51 PM Sharlee
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* The four dwarf constables who react to Cheery's skirt are stated to have just come off patrol on King's Way. If you check one of the published maps of Ankh-Morpork, you'll find that King's Way and Park Lane are connected, meaning that the dwarfs who were acting so intolerant of Cheery are the ''same'' dwarfs which Mr. Catterail wrote his bigoted letter to the Watch about. Sexism meets racism.
26th Jul '15 10:29:56 AM Sharlee
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* The Rats Chamber in the Patrician's Palace features a painted ceiling, in which rats dance in a ring with their tails intertwined at the center. Go read ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'', and then re-think the implications of ''that'' image being displayed in a room where ruthless conspirators meet. [[spoiler: Have mind-controlling Rat Kings secretly ruled Ankh-Morpork in the past? Is '''that''' why its previous kings and Patricians kept going insane?]]

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* The Rats Chamber in the Patrician's Palace features a painted ceiling, in which rats dance in a ring with their tails intertwined at the center. Go read ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'', and then re-think the implications of ''that'' image being displayed in a room where ruthless conspirators meet. meet to plot domination over the city. [[spoiler: Have mind-controlling Rat Kings secretly ruled Ankh-Morpork in the past? Is '''that''' why its previous kings and Patricians kept going insane?]]
insane, and why they always allowed the city to remain such a rats'-paradise hellhole?]]
26th Jul '15 10:28:40 AM Sharlee
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* The Rats Chamber in the Patrician's Palace features a painted ceiling, in which rats dance in a ring with their tails intertwined at the center. Go read ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'', and then re-think the implications of ''that'' image being displayed in a room where ruthless conspirators meet. [[spoiler: Did a mind-controlling ''Rat King'' secretly rule Ankh-Morpork at some time in the past? Is '''that''' why its previous Patricians kept going insane?]]

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* The Rats Chamber in the Patrician's Palace features a painted ceiling, in which rats dance in a ring with their tails intertwined at the center. Go read ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'', and then re-think the implications of ''that'' image being displayed in a room where ruthless conspirators meet. [[spoiler: Did a Have mind-controlling ''Rat King'' Rat Kings secretly rule ruled Ankh-Morpork at some time in the past? Is '''that''' why its previous kings and Patricians kept going insane?]]
26th Jul '15 10:27:41 AM Sharlee
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* The Rats Chamber in the Patrician's Palace features a painted ceiling, in which rats dance in a ring with their tails intertwined at the center. Go read ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'', and then re-think the implications of ''that'' image being displayed in a room where ruthless conspirators meet. [[spoiler: Did a mind-controlling ''Rat King'' secretly rule Ankh-Morpork at some time in the past? Is '''that''' why its previous Patricians kept going insane?]]
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