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* Sure, Snake shuts down Earth is a badass act to say screw you to the president, but with this one act, Snake possibly kills millions of people. Picture this: where are electronics most vital? Hospitals where people are in ICU or getting treated, as well other stuff to help people like pacemakers or iron lungs. What the ''fucking'' hell, Snake?
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* Sure, Snake shuts down Earth is as a badass act to say screw you to the president, but with this one act, Snake possibly kills millions of people. Picture this: where are electronics most vital? Hospitals where people are in ICU or getting treated, as well other stuff to help people like pacemakers or iron lungs. What the ''fucking'' hell, Snake?
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** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He thinks putting it out of its misery would be better. The above entry mentions that the world will hunt him down for his actions, but after all the horrors he's endured, he probably StoppedCaring long ago and would rather die than continue to live in this trainwreck of a world anymore.
!! FridgeLogic:
* Cuervo Jones leads the Shining Path, which has apparently united the entirety of South America and is preparing to invade the United States. So, why is he in LA? And why has he been there long enough to take control of it?
* Malloy choosing to take Utopia's control unit instead of Snake's was a GenreSavvy move. Thing is, why not just take both? It would have revealed Snake's hologram ploy a few minutes earlier, but Malloy didn't know that.
* Most government buildings have Faraday Cages and are completely protected from [=EMPs=], at best you would turn the lights off for a few minutes and then the generators would kick in. Second, why was their no failsafe for this doomsday device nor a secondary controller in-case the first one gets damaged? Lastly, why didn't they just invade L.A? In ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'' they try, but the gangs threaten to kill the president, displaying a severed finger as proof. In ''Escape from LA'' the president makes it clear that he doesn't care if Utopia lives or dies and would actually prefer her killed; [[spoiler: he's even disappointed when she survives, remarking that Snake "didn't finish the mission."]]
** The President didn't care about Utopia. However, Cuervo Jones had the Sword of Damocles and could have shut down all of America if angered and even threatens to do so during his broadcast if he sees any US military forces approach LA.
** The government could have easily sent a bomber (let's say a B-2) to nuke the place from 40000+ feet, well out of Cuervo or anyone else's sight.
* Not important, but where are movies produced now that LA is out of the picture?
** [[FridgeBrilliance Perhaps the President saw all those movies as heathen propaganda.]]
* Banning premarital sex is one thing, but smoking or red meat? Are those the kind of things a die-hard Southern conservative, steeped in proud traditions of tobacco-growing and barbecue, is likely to prohibit?
** I always figured the President didn't really care about any of that and just wanted to control people.
** Whoever said he had to follow his own rules? Dictators often indulge in the things their subjects are prohibited.
** DoubleStandard mixed with MyRulesAreNotYourRules (and a dash of {{Hypocrisy}}). In fact they [[FridgeBrilliance possibly allude to this]] with the "no foul language" rule as cited by Malloy. Malloy breaks this rule himself and even the president breaks it by ''taking the Lord's name in vain!"''
* If the "virus" Snake was infected with [[spoiler: was just a bluff, why did MissionControl keep monitoring the timer so carefully all through the movie? Even if they were only interested in when the time ran out because that's when Snake would quit working for them, all that would've meant was that it was time to shove ''another'' BoxedCrook into the same scenario, not that they were beaten outright.]]
** For that matter, the whole [[spoiler: fast acting flu thing]] is pretty stupid. Yeah, let's send in this badass black-ops/infiltration specialists to do our job for us [[spoiler: while we make sure that he's far from his best physically and mentally]]. Just for that, they deserved the shut-down at the end.
** The virus aspect makes no sense because Creator/KurtRussell (who was helping with script ideas) changed the ending before it was filmed. I get the sense that had things gone off as originally planned, it would have ended similarly to EFNY (Snake actually gets the cure and causes the President to screw himself over in some way). The fact that Snake dramatically looks at his watch counting down to zero before they tell him it was a ruse means he either knew they were bluffing all along (which is why he doesn't show up in-person, just via hologram) or just thought he was dead anyway.
* At the end of the film, Snake [[spoiler:uses the Sword of Damocles to shut down the entire world's supply of electricity, killing at least millions of people. The code to do so is "[[NumberOfTheBeast 666]]." Even operating on logic along the lines of "We assume no one with malicious intent will get their hands on the device," how much sense does it make for the code to be such an easy-to-remember number? Not only is it an extremely well-known biblical reference (which means that many people in the now-theocratic America probably know of it-- is that Fridge Brilliance or Logic?), but it's only ''three digits.'' Currently, nations across the world have stricter verification systems for nuclear codes whose use wouldn't end the world like in the movie (or at least aren't designed to)]].
** It actually makes sense that [[spoiler: the code for the Sword of Damocles is the [[NumberOfTheBeast Number Of The Beast]]. At the end, it's shown that the President's ego is so overinflated that he twists one of the most famous verses in the Bible [[AGodAmI to put himself in God's place.]] If he's so egomaniacal to consider himself close to God, it can be assumed that he would believe that he has the power to end the world, just like a god. Setting the code to 666 is a show of how insanely megalomaniacal he is. Security? He doesn't care about security.]]
* Bangkok is mentioned in the movie as being US territory. This kind of flies in the face of Real Life: during the colonial land-grab of the nineteenth century, both the world's acknowledged superpowers (Britain and France) carefully refrained from attacking the country, even though it would have been a logical bridge between India/Burma and Malaya (both British possessions) and the French had annexed virtually everything to the East. Even the Japanese trod with care here during World War II, despite having grabbed everything to all sides. The reason is that any superpower contemplating Thailand would immediately concede (a) that it would take more trouble and resources than it was worth to conquer; and (b) once you'd conquered it, were you going to be able to hold on to it? Thailand remains the only state in the region to have stayed independent in the face of colonial land-grabbing and Japanese expansionism. If the Americans couldn't hold Vietnam with all the resources they poured into it - they're never going to get Thailand...
** Maybe Thailand joined the U.S. voluntarily? We know very little about the state of that part of the world in this Verse; perhaps one of the nearby nations went even more batshit insane and militant than the U.S., and were going to ''nuke'' Thailand unless they found a superpower to join for protection.
** We know nothing ''anywhere'' else in the world in the context of the two movies. The three big facts are 1) the US is a dictatorship, 2) the South American nations have been conquered/united under a terrorist banner, and 3) the latter is about to attempt an invasion of the former in a war that is treated with the same anticipation as World War III. The rest of Asia, Europe, the UK, Australia and Africa all go unmentioned.
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!! FridgeLogic:
* Cuervo Jones leads the Shining Path, which has apparently united the entirety of South America and is preparing to invade the United States. So, why is he in LA? And why has he been there long enough to take control of it?
* Malloy choosing to take Utopia's control unit instead of Snake's was a GenreSavvy move. Thing is, why not just take both? It would have revealed Snake's hologram ploy a few minutes earlier, but Malloy didn't know that.
* Most government buildings have Faraday Cages and are completely protected from [=EMPs=], at best you would turn the lights off for a few minutes and then the generators would kick in. Second, why was their no failsafe for this doomsday device nor a secondary controller in-case the first one gets damaged? Lastly, why didn't they just invade L.A? In ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'' they try, but the gangs threaten to kill the president, displaying a severed finger as proof. In ''Escape from LA'' the president makes it clear that he doesn't care if Utopia lives or dies and would actually prefer her killed; [[spoiler: he's even disappointed when she survives, remarking that Snake "didn't finish the mission."]]
** The President didn't care about Utopia. However, Cuervo Jones had the Sword of Damocles and could have shut down all of America if angered and even threatens to do so during his broadcast if he sees any US military forces approach LA.
** The government could have easily sent a bomber (let's say a B-2) to nuke the place from 40000+ feet, well out of Cuervo or anyone else's sight.
* Not important, but where are movies produced now that LA is out of the picture?
** [[FridgeBrilliance Perhaps the President saw all those movies as heathen propaganda.]]
* Banning premarital sex is one thing, but smoking or red meat? Are those the kind of things a die-hard Southern conservative, steeped in proud traditions of tobacco-growing and barbecue, is likely to prohibit?
** I always figured the President didn't really care about any of that and just wanted to control people.
** Whoever said he had to follow his own rules? Dictators often indulge in the things their subjects are prohibited.
** DoubleStandard mixed with MyRulesAreNotYourRules (and a dash of {{Hypocrisy}}). In fact they [[FridgeBrilliance possibly allude to this]] with the "no foul language" rule as cited by Malloy. Malloy breaks this rule himself and even the president breaks it by ''taking the Lord's name in vain!"''
* If the "virus" Snake was infected with [[spoiler: was just a bluff, why did MissionControl keep monitoring the timer so carefully all through the movie? Even if they were only interested in when the time ran out because that's when Snake would quit working for them, all that would've meant was that it was time to shove ''another'' BoxedCrook into the same scenario, not that they were beaten outright.]]
** For that matter, the whole [[spoiler: fast acting flu thing]] is pretty stupid. Yeah, let's send in this badass black-ops/infiltration specialists to do our job for us [[spoiler: while we make sure that he's far from his best physically and mentally]]. Just for that, they deserved the shut-down at the end.
** The virus aspect makes no sense because Creator/KurtRussell (who was helping with script ideas) changed the ending before it was filmed. I get the sense that had things gone off as originally planned, it would have ended similarly to EFNY (Snake actually gets the cure and causes the President to screw himself over in some way). The fact that Snake dramatically looks at his watch counting down to zero before they tell him it was a ruse means he either knew they were bluffing all along (which is why he doesn't show up in-person, just via hologram) or just thought he was dead anyway.
* At the end of the film, Snake [[spoiler:uses the Sword of Damocles to shut down the entire world's supply of electricity, killing at least millions of people. The code to do so is "[[NumberOfTheBeast 666]]." Even operating on logic along the lines of "We assume no one with malicious intent will get their hands on the device," how much sense does it make for the code to be such an easy-to-remember number? Not only is it an extremely well-known biblical reference (which means that many people in the now-theocratic America probably know of it-- is that Fridge Brilliance or Logic?), but it's only ''three digits.'' Currently, nations across the world have stricter verification systems for nuclear codes whose use wouldn't end the world like in the movie (or at least aren't designed to)]].
** It actually makes sense that [[spoiler: the code for the Sword of Damocles is the [[NumberOfTheBeast Number Of The Beast]]. At the end, it's shown that the President's ego is so overinflated that he twists one of the most famous verses in the Bible [[AGodAmI to put himself in God's place.]] If he's so egomaniacal to consider himself close to God, it can be assumed that he would believe that he has the power to end the world, just like a god. Setting the code to 666 is a show of how insanely megalomaniacal he is. Security? He doesn't care about security.]]
* Bangkok is mentioned in the movie as being US territory. This kind of flies in the face of Real Life: during the colonial land-grab of the nineteenth century, both the world's acknowledged superpowers (Britain and France) carefully refrained from attacking the country, even though it would have been a logical bridge between India/Burma and Malaya (both British possessions) and the French had annexed virtually everything to the East. Even the Japanese trod with care here during World War II, despite having grabbed everything to all sides. The reason is that any superpower contemplating Thailand would immediately concede (a) that it would take more trouble and resources than it was worth to conquer; and (b) once you'd conquered it, were you going to be able to hold on to it? Thailand remains the only state in the region to have stayed independent in the face of colonial land-grabbing and Japanese expansionism. If the Americans couldn't hold Vietnam with all the resources they poured into it - they're never going to get Thailand...
** Maybe Thailand joined the U.S. voluntarily? We know very little about the state of that part of the world in this Verse; perhaps one of the nearby nations went even more batshit insane and militant than the U.S., and were going to ''nuke'' Thailand unless they found a superpower to join for protection.
** We know nothing ''anywhere'' else in the world in the context of the two movies. The three big facts are 1) the US is a dictatorship, 2) the South American nations have been conquered/united under a terrorist banner, and 3) the latter is about to attempt an invasion of the former in a war that is treated with the same anticipation as World War III. The rest of Asia, Europe, the UK, Australia and Africa all go unmentioned.
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** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He thinks putting it out of its misery would be better. The above entry mentions that the world will hunt him down for his actions, but after all the horrors he's endured, he probably StoppedCaring long ago and would rather die than continue to live in this trainwreck of a world anymore. \n\n!! FridgeLogic:\n\n* Cuervo Jones leads the Shining Path, which has apparently united the entirety of South America and is preparing to invade the United States. So, why is he in LA? And why has he been there long enough to take control of it?\n* Malloy choosing to take Utopia's control unit instead of Snake's was a GenreSavvy move. Thing is, why not just take both? It would have revealed Snake's hologram ploy a few minutes earlier, but Malloy didn't know that.\n* Most government buildings have Faraday Cages and are completely protected from [=EMPs=], at best you would turn the lights off for a few minutes and then the generators would kick in. Second, why was their no failsafe for this doomsday device nor a secondary controller in-case the first one gets damaged? Lastly, why didn't they just invade L.A? In ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'' they try, but the gangs threaten to kill the president, displaying a severed finger as proof. In ''Escape from LA'' the president makes it clear that he doesn't care if Utopia lives or dies and would actually prefer her killed; [[spoiler: he's even disappointed when she survives, remarking that Snake "didn't finish the mission."]]\n** The President didn't care about Utopia. However, Cuervo Jones had the Sword of Damocles and could have shut down all of America if angered and even threatens to do so during his broadcast if he sees any US military forces approach LA.\n** The government could have easily sent a bomber (let's say a B-2) to nuke the place from 40000+ feet, well out of Cuervo or anyone else's sight.\n* Not important, but where are movies produced now that LA is out of the picture?\n** [[FridgeBrilliance Perhaps the President saw all those movies as heathen propaganda.]]\n* Banning premarital sex is one thing, but smoking or red meat? Are those the kind of things a die-hard Southern conservative, steeped in proud traditions of tobacco-growing and barbecue, is likely to prohibit?\n** I always figured the President didn't really care about any of that and just wanted to control people.\n** Whoever said he had to follow his own rules? Dictators often indulge in the things their subjects are prohibited.\n** DoubleStandard mixed with MyRulesAreNotYourRules (and a dash of {{Hypocrisy}}). In fact they [[FridgeBrilliance possibly allude to this]] with the "no foul language" rule as cited by Malloy. Malloy breaks this rule himself and even the president breaks it by ''taking the Lord's name in vain!"''\n* If the "virus" Snake was infected with [[spoiler: was just a bluff, why did MissionControl keep monitoring the timer so carefully all through the movie? Even if they were only interested in when the time ran out because that's when Snake would quit working for them, all that would've meant was that it was time to shove ''another'' BoxedCrook into the same scenario, not that they were beaten outright.]]\n** For that matter, the whole [[spoiler: fast acting flu thing]] is pretty stupid. Yeah, let's send in this badass black-ops/infiltration specialists to do our job for us [[spoiler: while we make sure that he's far from his best physically and mentally]]. Just for that, they deserved the shut-down at the end.\n** The virus aspect makes no sense because Creator/KurtRussell (who was helping with script ideas) changed the ending before it was filmed. I get the sense that had things gone off as originally planned, it would have ended similarly to EFNY (Snake actually gets the cure and causes the President to screw himself over in some way). The fact that Snake dramatically looks at his watch counting down to zero before they tell him it was a ruse means he either knew they were bluffing all along (which is why he doesn't show up in-person, just via hologram) or just thought he was dead anyway.\n* At the end of the film, Snake [[spoiler:uses the Sword of Damocles to shut down the entire world's supply of electricity, killing at least millions of people. The code to do so is "[[NumberOfTheBeast 666]]." Even operating on logic along the lines of "We assume no one with malicious intent will get their hands on the device," how much sense does it make for the code to be such an easy-to-remember number? Not only is it an extremely well-known biblical reference (which means that many people in the now-theocratic America probably know of it-- is that Fridge Brilliance or Logic?), but it's only ''three digits.'' Currently, nations across the world have stricter verification systems for nuclear codes whose use wouldn't end the world like in the movie (or at least aren't designed to)]].\n** It actually makes sense that [[spoiler: the code for the Sword of Damocles is the [[NumberOfTheBeast Number Of The Beast]]. At the end, it's shown that the President's ego is so overinflated that he twists one of the most famous verses in the Bible [[AGodAmI to put himself in God's place.]] If he's so egomaniacal to consider himself close to God, it can be assumed that he would believe that he has the power to end the world, just like a god. Setting the code to 666 is a show of how insanely megalomaniacal he is. Security? He doesn't care about security.]]\n* Bangkok is mentioned in the movie as being US territory. This kind of flies in the face of Real Life: during the colonial land-grab of the nineteenth century, both the world's acknowledged superpowers (Britain and France) carefully refrained from attacking the country, even though it would have been a logical bridge between India/Burma and Malaya (both British possessions) and the French had annexed virtually everything to the East. Even the Japanese trod with care here during World War II, despite having grabbed everything to all sides. The reason is that any superpower contemplating Thailand would immediately concede (a) that it would take more trouble and resources than it was worth to conquer; and (b) once you'd conquered it, were you going to be able to hold on to it? Thailand remains the only state in the region to have stayed independent in the face of colonial land-grabbing and Japanese expansionism. If the Americans couldn't hold Vietnam with all the resources they poured into it - they're never going to get Thailand...\n** Maybe Thailand joined the U.S. voluntarily? We know very little about the state of that part of the world in this Verse; perhaps one of the nearby nations went even more batshit insane and militant than the U.S., and were going to ''nuke'' Thailand unless they found a superpower to join for protection.\n** We know nothing ''anywhere'' else in the world in the context of the two movies. The three big facts are 1) the US is a dictatorship, 2) the South American nations have been conquered/united under a terrorist banner, and 3) the latter is about to attempt an invasion of the former in a war that is treated with the same anticipation as World War III. The rest of Asia, Europe, the UK, Australia and Africa all go unmentioned.\n----
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* It is painfully apparent that Snake is a man who [[MisanthropeSupreme has lost all faith in humanity]].
** In the year 1997, the government was kind of corrupt and [[SleazyPolitician run by a man who didn't show much appreciation for the people who saved his skin]], and crimes rates have gotten so bad the government abandoned its largest city and turned it into a penal colony. [[FromBadToWorse By 2013]], America [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica is a theocratic hellhole]] run by a [[PresidentEvil maniac with a God complex]] who wants to bring about the end times himself. Snake has witnessed an America that has ''really'' fallen far from it title of "The Land of the Free".
** The revolutionaries who oppose this madman are just power-hungry wannabe dictators. Even if Snake could leave decayed America, there isn't any side he could join that is objectively good.
** He's experienced and witnessed a whole lot crap in his life, he's been betrayed by so many people, and he's seen so many decent people undeservedly die.
** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He just thinks it would be better to just put it out of its misery. The above entry mentions that the world is going to hunt him down for his actions, but after all the horrors he's endured, he probably StoppedCaring long ago.
** In the year 1997, the government was kind of corrupt and [[SleazyPolitician run by a man who didn't show much appreciation for the people who saved his skin]], and crimes rates have gotten so bad the government abandoned its largest city and turned it into a penal colony. [[FromBadToWorse By 2013]], America [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica is a theocratic hellhole]] run by a [[PresidentEvil maniac with a God complex]] who wants to bring about the end times himself. Snake has witnessed an America that has ''really'' fallen far from it title of "The Land of the Free".
** The revolutionaries who oppose this madman are just power-hungry wannabe dictators. Even if Snake could leave decayed America, there isn't any side he could join that is objectively good.
** He's experienced and witnessed a whole lot crap in his life, he's been betrayed by so many people, and he's seen so many decent people undeservedly die.
** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He just thinks it would be better to just put it out of its misery. The above entry mentions that the world is going to hunt him down for his actions, but after all the horrors he's endured, he probably StoppedCaring long ago.
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* It Snake's motivation for shutting the world down is painfully apparent that obvious: Snake is a man who [[MisanthropeSupreme has lost all faith in humanity]].
** Inthe year 1997, the government was kind of corrupt and [[SleazyPolitician run by a man who didn't show much appreciation for the people who saved his skin]], and crimes rates have gotten so bad the government abandoned its largest city and turned it into a penal colony. [[FromBadToWorse By 2013]], America [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica is a theocratic hellhole]] run by a [[PresidentEvil maniac with a God complex]] who wants to bring about the end times himself. Snake has witnessed an America that has ''really'' fallen far from it its title of "The Land of the Free".
**Free." The revolutionaries who oppose this madman are just power-hungry wannabe dictators. dictators [[FullCircleRevolution who would be as bad or worse]]. Even if Snake could leave decayed America, there isn't any side he could join that is objectively good.good or wouldn't try to screw him over.
**He's On a personal level, [[TraumaCongaLine he's experienced and witnessed a whole lot crap in his life, life]]: he's been betrayed by so many people, and he's seen so many decent people undeservedly die.
die. In this movie, a girl he genuinely cared about was shot and killed before his eyes, and a deranged surgeon nearly took his remaining eye.
** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. Hejust thinks it would be better to just put putting it out of its misery. misery would be better. The above entry mentions that the world is going to will hunt him down for his actions, but after all the horrors he's endured, he probably StoppedCaring long ago.ago and would rather die than continue to live in this trainwreck of a world anymore.
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** In the year 1997, the government was kind of corrupt and [[SleazyPolitician run by a man who didn't show much appreciation for the people who saved his skin]], and crimes rates have gotten so bad the government abandoned its largest city and turned it into a penal colony. [[FromBadToWorse By 2013]], America [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica is a theocratic hellhole]] run by a [[PresidentEvil maniac with a God complex]] who wants to bring about the end times himself. Snake has witnessed an America that has ''really'' tumbled down a cliff fallen far from it title of "The Land of the Free".
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** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He just thinks it would be better to just put it out of its misery. The above entry mentions that the world is going to hunt him down for his actions, but after all the horrors he's endured, he probably StoppedCaring long ago.
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* It is painfully apparent that Snake is a man who [[MisanthropeSupreme has lost all faith in humanity]].
** In the year 1997, the government was kind of corrupt and [[SleazyPolitician run by a man who didn't show much appreciation for the people who saved his skin]], and crimes rates have gotten so bad the government abandoned its largest city and turned it into a penal colony. [[FromBadToWorse By 2013]], America [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica is a theocratic hellhole]] run by a [[PresidentEvil maniac with a God complex]] who wants to bring about the end times himself. Snake has witnessed an America that has ''really'' tumbled down a cliff from "The Land of the Free".
** The revolutionaries who oppose this madman are just power-hungry wannabe dictators. Even if Snake could leave decayed America, there isn't any side he could join that is objectively good.
** He's experienced and witnessed a whole lot crap in his life, he's been betrayed by so many people, and he's seen so many decent people undeservedly die.
** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He just thinks it would be better to just put it out of its misery.
** In the year 1997, the government was kind of corrupt and [[SleazyPolitician run by a man who didn't show much appreciation for the people who saved his skin]], and crimes rates have gotten so bad the government abandoned its largest city and turned it into a penal colony. [[FromBadToWorse By 2013]], America [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica is a theocratic hellhole]] run by a [[PresidentEvil maniac with a God complex]] who wants to bring about the end times himself. Snake has witnessed an America that has ''really'' tumbled down a cliff from "The Land of the Free".
** The revolutionaries who oppose this madman are just power-hungry wannabe dictators. Even if Snake could leave decayed America, there isn't any side he could join that is objectively good.
** He's experienced and witnessed a whole lot crap in his life, he's been betrayed by so many people, and he's seen so many decent people undeservedly die.
** As horrible as Snake's decision, [[CrapsackWorld the world hasn't given him a single thing to hope for]]. He just thinks it would be better to just put it out of its misery.
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* Why does Snake insist on using Hershe's original name (Carjack) despite repeated demands that he stop? Because as far as he's concerned, the one who betrayed him in Cleveland (a betrayal he's clearly bitter about) was '''Carjack Malone''', not Hershe Las Palmas.
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* When Malloy reminds Snake of what appears to be the list of rules for living in the New Moral America, one of them is "no foul language." Malloy personally breaks this rule at least once, and most notably the president himself takes the Lord's name in vain - something you'd think a fascist theocrat who ''criminalized atheism'' would take very seriously... [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem were it]] [[MyRulesAreNotYourRules someone else]] [[{{Hypocrisy}} doing it.]]
* When Malloy reminds Snake of what appears to be the list of rules for living in the New Moral America, one of them is "no foul language." Malloy personally breaks this rule at least once, and most notably the president himself takes the Lord's name in vain - something you'd think a fascist theocrat who ''criminalized atheism'' would take very seriously... [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem were it]] [[MyRulesAreNotYourRules someone else]] [[{{Hypocrisy}} doing it.]]
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** DoubleStandard mixed with MyRulesAreNotYourRules (and a dash of {{Hypocrisy}}). In fact they [[FridgeBrilliance possibly allude to this]] with the "no foul language" rule as cited by Malloy. Malloy breaks this rule himself and even the president breaks it by ''taking the Lord's name in vain!"''
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* Cuervo Jones leads the Shining Path, which has apparently united the entirety of South America. So... what's he doing in LA, instead of down in Mexico making the final preparations for his invasion? And why has he been there so long to essentially become its kingpin?
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* Cuervo Jones leads the Shining Path, which has apparently united the entirety of South America. So... what's he doing in LA, instead of down in Mexico making America and is preparing to invade the final preparations for his invasion? United States. So, why is he in LA? And why has he been there so long enough to essentially become its kingpin?take control of it?
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* Cuervo Jones leads the Shining Path, which has apparently united the entirety of South America. So... what's he doing in LA, instead of down in Mexico making the final preparations for his invasion? And why has he been there so long to essentially become its kingpin?
