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22nd Nov '15 6:16:52 PM MinisterOfSinister
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forgot to finish.
** Then there's the small matter of the shields he erected that poison any non-Chaos units which enter it. First of all, poison is yet ''another'' method of killing someone that doesn't involve spilling blood. Second of all, Khorne expects you to [[VillainousValor be proactive and meet your enemies head-on]]; hiding behind defences like a civilian and [[OrcusOnHisThrone waiting for them to come to you]], in the Blood God's view, is the ''coward's'' way of fighting. Whoever won the
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** Then there's the small matter of the shields he erected that poison any non-Chaos units which enter it. First of all, poison is yet ''another'' method of killing someone that doesn't involve spilling blood. Second of all, Khorne expects you to [[VillainousValor be proactive and meet your enemies head-on]]; hiding behind defences like a civilian and [[OrcusOnHisThrone waiting for them to come to you]], in the Blood God's view, is the ''coward's'' way of fighting. Whoever won the Kaurava conflict, it's pretty clear Khorne was rooting for them when they came to the Peninsula of Iseult.
22nd Nov '15 6:14:25 PM MinisterOfSinister
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** Then there's the small matter of the shields he erected that poison any non-Chaos units which enter it. First of all, poison is yet ''another'' method of killing someone that doesn't involve spilling blood. Second of all, Khorne expects you to [[VillainousValor be proactive and meet your enemies head-on]]; hiding behind defences like a civilian and [[OrcusOnHisThrone waiting for them to come to you]], in the Blood God's view, is the ''coward's'' way of fighting. Whoever won the
19th Nov '15 11:43:48 PM dvorak
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** He also delivers a blistering rant about how much he hates being a Blood Raven after a late-game mission. No wonder he ends up as [[spoiler: one of the guys trying to destroy the universe.]]
29th Aug '15 11:15:14 AM Discar
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Stripping out natter, first person, removing disproven entries, and pulling a few to headscratchers.
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* More FridgeBrilliance hit me while reading up on the Blood Ravens on Lexicanum, which says their battle doctrine relies on knowing what the enemy is going to do ahead of time and then hitting them at [[ForMassiveDamage just the right moment with just the right combination of forces]]. That suits their psyker-heavy fluff, sure, but doesn't it sound just a bit like an RTS gamer playing their favourite scenarios over and over again? ** That is the point. Check the Literature/BloodRavens page; their tactics are supposed to be similar to an RTS player's. * One of the characters that [[TheScrappy most annoyed me]] in ''[[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Dawn of War II]]'' was Avitus, the [[TokenEvilTeammate violent, cruel]] BigGuy of your squad. But I grinded my teeth and ignored it, figuring it was part of all the GRIMDARK of the setting I've been hearing so much about. Then, as I was rifling through the MoodDissonance and CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming pages, the stuff written there helped me realize- everytime Avitus was acting in a particularly mean or spiteful fashion, the other squad sergeants angrily reprimanded him. His cruelty helped bring out the other Marines' inherent kindness and decency, which probably wouldn't show if it didn't resonate against his nastiness. ** With Retribution it is generally accepted that Avitus is [[spoiler: the canon Chaos Rising traitor. Relic was foreshadowing it the whole time.]] * I suddenly realised that according to the Latin-based conventions of the human language in WH:40000, the name Avitus can be interpreted as A-vita = Non-life/anti-life. Basically, it means "Killer"! Now, that's an appropriate name for the bastard!-{{Tropers/Gess}} * When playing the ''Chaos Rising'' I decided to give Chaos a try, but it turned out eventually that BeingEvilSucks and that the majority of infernal powers were more of a liability than an edge, draining life force out of my men, costing me squad members or even entire squads, or having such long cooldowns I couldn't rely on them in the tactical sense. All in all an utter dissappointment. I felt betrayed. Ripped off. I initially blamed Relic for giving the new feature poor consideration, but then it hit me: I've stroke a DealWithTheDevil, well, what exactly did silly me expect - fulfillment?-{{Tropers/Gess}} ** Forgive me if this seems a bit harsh, but... this seems less like a case of FridgeBrilliance and more like you not knowing how to play Chaos. *** Still works as if you're not careful the ruinous powers will screw you over in-universe and in gameplay.
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* More FridgeBrilliance hit me while reading Read up on the Blood Ravens on Lexicanum, which Lexicanum. It says their battle doctrine relies on knowing what the enemy is going to do ahead of time and then hitting them at [[ForMassiveDamage just the right moment with just the right combination of forces]]. That suits their psyker-heavy fluff, sure, but doesn't it sound just a bit like an RTS gamer playing their favourite scenarios over and over again? ** That is the point. Check the Literature/BloodRavens page; their tactics are supposed to be similar to an RTS player's. * One of the characters that [[TheScrappy most annoyed me]] in ''[[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Dawn of War II]]'' was Avitus, the [[TokenEvilTeammate violent, cruel]] BigGuy of your squad. But I grinded my teeth and ignored it, figuring it was part of all the GRIMDARK of the setting I've been hearing so much about. Then, as I was rifling through the MoodDissonance and CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming pages, the stuff written there helped me realize- everytime every time Avitus was acting in a particularly mean or spiteful fashion, the other squad sergeants angrily reprimanded him. His cruelty helped bring out the other Marines' inherent kindness and decency, which probably wouldn't show if it didn't resonate against his nastiness. ** nastiness. With Retribution it is generally accepted that Avitus is [[spoiler: the canon Chaos Rising traitor. Relic was foreshadowing it the whole time.]] * I suddenly realised that according According to the Latin-based conventions of the human language in WH:40000, the name Avitus can be interpreted as A-vita = Non-life/anti-life. Basically, it means "Killer"! "Killer." Now, that's an appropriate name for the bastard!-{{Tropers/Gess}} * When playing the ''Chaos Rising'' I decided to give Chaos a try, but it turned out eventually that BeingEvilSucks and that the majority of infernal powers were more of a liability than an edge, draining life force out of my men, costing me squad members or even entire squads, or having such long cooldowns I couldn't rely on them in the tactical sense. All in all an utter dissappointment. I felt betrayed. Ripped off. I initially blamed Relic for giving the new feature poor consideration, but then it hit me: I've stroke a DealWithTheDevil, well, what exactly did silly me expect - fulfillment?-{{Tropers/Gess}} ** Forgive me if this seems a bit harsh, but... this seems less like a case of FridgeBrilliance and more like you not knowing how to play Chaos. *** Still works as if you're not careful the ruinous powers will screw you over in-universe and in gameplay.bastard.

* Carron's defeat is inevitable when you take into account all his boasts about his temples dedicated to Khorne. Khorne emphatically does ''not'' want his followers to build temples to him, [[http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne#Worship_of_Khorne as time spent building stuff is time not spent spilling blood.]] Carron, having unknowingly lost the support of the god he worships right from the start, is doomed.
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* Carron: ** Carron's defeat is inevitable when you take into account all his boasts about his temples dedicated to Khorne. Khorne emphatically does ''not'' want his followers to build temples to him, [[http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne#Worship_of_Khorne as time spent building stuff is time not spent spilling blood.]] Carron, having unknowingly lost the support of the god he worships right from the start, is doomed.

** Let's just cut the middleman and say that Carron is one of Khorne's '''''worst''''' worshippers ever.

** Let's just cut [[AC:FridgeHorror]] * The ending to the middleman Space Marine Campaign in ''Retribution'' [[spoiler: has Diomedes and say Angelos finishing the purge of heresy on the chapter, and Angelos ascending as the new chapter master in front of a crowd of Marines. Considering how high the Blood Raven casualties have been over the course of ''Dawn of War II'', that Carron is one may very well be all that's left of Khorne's '''''worst''''' worshippers ever.the chapter.]]

* Hang on. The Eldar's plan was to stall the Tyranid invasion on a few planets on the Eastern Fringe, because the swarm's next target would be Craftworld Ulthw itself...which is orbiting the Eye of Terror on the ''other side of the galaxy''. A possible AuthorsSavingThrow in ''Chaos Rising'': When you go down to kill the Avatar, the Eldar make mention that there is a "ruined Craftworld" buried on Typhon that was uncovered by the Tyranid invasion. ** It should be noted that the Eldar usually take the long view on events. So it's likely that they were thinking about a few centuries down the road. That's right, the Eldar planned on screwing over an entire sector because the Tyranids were going to attack one of their Craftworlds in a century or so. The Eldars are dicks like that. ** It is possible the Eldar lied about protecting their Craftworld; as Tarkus notes, the Eldar lie whenever it suits their agenda. In this case, the "invasion of Ulthw" was a lie to coverup the relics on Typhon, by convincing the Space Marines that they had thwarted the Eldar. This is doubly true when you realize that the Eldar probably know parts of the Blood Raven chapter are actually traitors; they would probably treat Spirit Stones as Scooby Snacks for demons. ** ''Chaos Rising'' does address this, somewhat. The Tyranid attack on Typhon Primaris uncovered Eldar ruins buried beneath the surface. The Eldar wanted to protect something long hidden there, and if that something was a webway gate that they were unable to seal, that could spell disaster should the Tyranids get through it. ** ''Retribution'' finally gives a straight answer. [[spoiler: There was indeed a ruined Craftworld underneath Typhon. The Eldar are trying to access the ruins and retrieve buried Soulstones before they're eaten by Tyranids, Chaos finds them first, or the Inquisition decides to [[{{Earth Shattering Kaboom}} blow the planet]]. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero They fail due to your actions in all the campaigns.]]]] *** Also, [[spoiler: Taldeer's original prophecy, which gets this whole ball rolling back in ''Dark Crusade'', was a prophecy about Necrons, not Tyranids, laying waste to Craftworld Ulthwe. The most logical assumption is either Idranel misspoke of the Tyranids causing all the damage, or she misinterpreted the prophecy.]] * Exactly what are the chapter relics from a dozen or more different Space Marine chapters doing, spread around on the recruiting worlds of the Blood Ravens? Logically, the invading Orks, Eldar and Tyranids wouldn't be bringing those with them from where they came from, which meant they picked them up somewhere on the recruiting worlds during the campaign. [[KleptomaniacHero Makes you wonder if that 'raven' should be a 'magpie', doesn't it?]] ** The Blood Ravens are certainly not above looting dead marines from other chapters. One fairly early armor you can find in DOW II (I forget the name) was originally from a Grey Knight Justicar who died during the Kronus campaign. The Blood Ravens were said to have taken it to prevent it from falling into the "traitorous Imperial Guard hands". ** I assumed everyone was a scavenger to a degree because of the {{used future}} *** Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{ImpossibleThief}} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another. [[AC:FridgeHorror]] * The ending to the Space Marine Campaign in ''Retribution'' [[spoiler: has Diomedes and Angelos finishing the purge of heresy on the chapter, and Angelos ascending as the new chapter master in front of a crowd of Marines. Considering how high the Blood Raven casualties have been over the course of ''Dawn of War II'', that may very well be all that's left of the chapter.]] ** Man, if that group has Tarkus and Cyrus in it, [[spoiler: how many more marines do you even need?]] ** There's always whoever went with FC and Thaddeus. Maybe at least 2 or 3 companies left.
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* Hang on. The Eldar's plan was to stall On the Tyranid invasion on a few planets on the Eastern Fringe, because the swarm's next target would be Craftworld Ulthw itself...which is orbiting the Eye of Terror on the ''other side of the galaxy''. A possible AuthorsSavingThrow in ''Chaos Rising'': When you go down to kill the Avatar, the Eldar make mention that there is a "ruined Craftworld" buried on Typhon that was uncovered by the Tyranid invasion. ** It should be noted that the Eldar usually take the long view on events. So it's likely that they were thinking about a few centuries down the road. That's right, the Eldar planned on screwing over an entire sector because the Tyranids were going to attack one of their Craftworlds in a century or so. The Eldars are dicks like that. ** It is possible the Eldar lied about protecting their Craftworld; as Tarkus notes, the Eldar lie whenever it suits their agenda. In this case, the "invasion of Ulthw" was a lie to coverup the relics on Typhon, by convincing the Space Marines that they had thwarted the Eldar. This is doubly true when you realize that the Eldar probably know parts of the Blood Raven chapter are actually traitors; they would probably treat Spirit Stones as Scooby Snacks for demons. ** ''Chaos Rising'' does address this, somewhat. The Tyranid attack on Typhon Primaris uncovered Eldar ruins buried beneath the surface. The Eldar wanted to protect something long hidden there, and if that something was a webway gate that they were unable to seal, that could spell disaster should the Tyranids get through it. ** ''Retribution'' finally gives a straight answer. [[spoiler: There was indeed a ruined Craftworld underneath Typhon. The Eldar are trying to access the ruins and retrieve buried Soulstones before they're eaten by Tyranids, Chaos finds them first, or the Inquisition decides to [[{{Earth Shattering Kaboom}} blow the planet]]. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero They fail due to your actions in all the campaigns.]]]] *** Also, [[spoiler: Taldeer's original prophecy, which gets this whole ball rolling back in ''Dark Crusade'', was a prophecy about Necrons, not Tyranids, laying waste to Craftworld Ulthwe. The most logical assumption is either Idranel misspoke of the Tyranids causing all the damage, or she misinterpreted the prophecy.]] * Exactly what are the chapter relics from a dozen or more different Space Marine chapters doing, spread around on the recruiting worlds of the Blood Ravens? Logically, the invading Orks, Eldar and Tyranids wouldn't be bringing those with them from where they came from, which meant they picked them up somewhere on the recruiting worlds during the campaign. [[KleptomaniacHero Makes you wonder if that 'raven' should be a 'magpie', doesn't it?]] ** The Blood Ravens are certainly not above looting dead marines from other chapters. One fairly early armor you can find in DOW II (I forget the name) was originally from a Grey Knight Justicar who died during the Kronus campaign. The Blood Ravens were said to have taken it to prevent it from falling into the "traitorous Imperial Guard hands". ** I assumed everyone was a scavenger to a degree because of the {{used future}} *** Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{ImpossibleThief}} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another. [[AC:FridgeHorror]] * The ending to the Space Marine Campaign in ''Retribution'' [[spoiler: has Diomedes and Angelos finishing the purge of heresy on the chapter, and Angelos ascending as the new chapter master in front of a crowd of Marines. Considering how high the Blood Raven casualties have been over the course of ''Dawn of War II'', that may very well be all that's left of the chapter.]] ** Man, if that group has Tarkus and Cyrus in it, [[spoiler: how many more marines do you even need?]] ** There's always whoever went with FC and Thaddeus. Maybe at least 2 or 3 companies left.[[Headscratchers/DawnOfWar headscratchers]] page.
29th Aug '15 7:12:41 AM shroobot3000
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** Man, if that group has Tarkus and Cyrus in it, [[spoiler: how many more marines do you even need?]]
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** Man, if that group has Tarkus and Cyrus in it, [[spoiler: how many more marines do you even need?]]need?]] **There's always whoever went with FC and Thaddeus. Maybe at least 2 or 3 companies left.
29th Aug '15 7:05:36 AM shroobot3000
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*** Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{ImpossibleThief} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another.
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*** Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{ImpossibleThief} [[{{ImpossibleThief}} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another.
29th Aug '15 7:04:35 AM shroobot3000
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*** Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{UptoEleven}} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another.
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*** Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{UptoEleven}} [[{{ImpossibleThief} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another.
29th Aug '15 7:03:04 AM shroobot3000
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***Scavenger is one thing, but stealing from [[{{UptoEleven}} Primarchs and Abbadon]] is another.
19th May '15 1:48:36 PM shroobot3000
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** Forgive me if this seems a bit harsh, but... this seems less like a case of FridgeBrilliance and more like you not knowing how to play Chaos.
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** Forgive me if this seems a bit harsh, but... this seems less like a case of FridgeBrilliance and more like you not knowing how to play Chaos. Chaos. *** Still works as if you're not careful the ruinous powers will screw you over in-universe and in gameplay.
13th Apr '15 1:24:02 PM nombretomado
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* One of the characters that [[TheScrappy most annoyed me]] in DawnOfWar II was Avitus, the [[TokenEvilTeammate violent, cruel]] BigGuy of your squad. But I grinded my teeth and ignored it, figuring it was part of all the GRIMDARK of the setting I've been hearing so much about. Then, as I was rifling through the MoodDissonance and CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming pages, the stuff written there helped me realize- everytime Avitus was acting in a particularly mean or spiteful fashion, the other squad sergeants angrily reprimanded him. His cruelty helped bring out the other Marines' inherent kindness and decency, which probably wouldn't show if it didn't resonate against his nastiness.
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* One of the characters that [[TheScrappy most annoyed me]] in DawnOfWar II ''[[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Dawn of War II]]'' was Avitus, the [[TokenEvilTeammate violent, cruel]] BigGuy of your squad. But I grinded my teeth and ignored it, figuring it was part of all the GRIMDARK of the setting I've been hearing so much about. Then, as I was rifling through the MoodDissonance and CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming pages, the stuff written there helped me realize- everytime Avitus was acting in a particularly mean or spiteful fashion, the other squad sergeants angrily reprimanded him. His cruelty helped bring out the other Marines' inherent kindness and decency, which probably wouldn't show if it didn't resonate against his nastiness.
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