History Fridge / DanganRonpa3

16th Feb '18 1:15:54 PM Pwright
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** It isn't even necessary that all of the bracelets work: the first NG code to be broken was "Witness violence between participants", which given the tense situation and enmity between some of the characters was pretty much guaranteed to happen first thing after waking up - and this specific poisoning might have been done remotely by the mastermind while everyone else's focus was on aforementioned violence. After this, the participants would not dare breaking their own NG codes (sound familiar?) - especially since the mastermind WANTED one of the participants to survive (the fact that this person was dragged into the killing game in the first place is a whole another problem); it would also explain how the NG code would be triggered by [[spoiler: Ryota using his talent]] - not at all. Which makes even more sense when you consider it might have originally been designated for Hagakure and this psychological trick would have worked just as well for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention Tengan wouldn't even need a working bracelet since he was the mastermind.]] The rest of the bracelets would need to work as outlined above by using biodata and cameras.

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** It isn't even necessary that all of the bracelets work: the first NG code to be broken was "Witness violence between participants", which given the tense situation and enmity between some of the characters was pretty much guaranteed to happen first thing after waking up - and this specific poisoning might have been done remotely by the mastermind while everyone else's focus was on aforementioned violence. After this, the participants would not dare breaking their own NG codes (sound familiar?) ([[VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors sound familiar?]]) - especially since the mastermind WANTED one of the participants to survive (the fact that this person was dragged into the killing game in the first place is a whole another problem); it would also explain how the NG code would be triggered by [[spoiler: Ryota using his talent]] - not at all. Which makes even more sense when you consider it might have originally been designated for Hagakure and this psychological trick would have worked just as well for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention Tengan wouldn't even need a working bracelet since he was the mastermind.]] The rest of the bracelets would need to work as outlined above by using biodata and cameras.
16th Feb '18 1:12:13 PM Pwright
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** Considering [[spoiler: Tengan wanted Ryota alive]], any sane person would wonder why Ryota was put in the killing game in the first place; though this can be explained when you assume the mastermind actually IS insane.


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** It isn't even necessary that all of the bracelets work: the first NG code to be broken was "Witness violence between participants", which given the tense situation and enmity between some of the characters was pretty much guaranteed to happen first thing after waking up - and this specific poisoning might have been done remotely by the mastermind while everyone else's focus was on aforementioned violence. After this, the participants would not dare breaking their own NG codes (sound familiar?) - especially since the mastermind WANTED one of the participants to survive (the fact that this person was dragged into the killing game in the first place is a whole another problem); it would also explain how the NG code would be triggered by [[spoiler: Ryota using his talent]] - not at all. Which makes even more sense when you consider it might have originally been designated for Hagakure and this psychological trick would have worked just as well for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention Tengan wouldn't even need a working bracelet since he was the mastermind.]] The rest of the bracelets would need to work as outlined above by using biodata and cameras.
14th Feb '18 1:13:38 PM Apocrypha
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** For similar reasons Andou, Kimura, and Izayoi deaths. There has to be a great demand for doctors, not to mention that kimura can make all sorts of concoctions, such as truth serum or drugs to increase your strength; she could likely produce substances to help with the mass insanity and effects of despair. Andou is able to make treats that have effects such as altering your mind, and even created a serum that would bring out the true nature of someones heart in the analogy manga; her and Kimura combining their abilities would have enabled them to subdue the remaining forces of dispair and deal with the mass hysteria that the incident caused. Izayoi may specialize in making weapons, but seeing how destroyed civilization is at this point, any "Ultimate" with the ability to build stuff would be very welcome.

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** For similar reasons Andou, Kimura, and Izayoi deaths. There has to be a great demand for doctors, not to mention that kimura can make all sorts of concoctions, such as truth serum or drugs to increase your strength; she could likely produce substances to help with the mass insanity and effects of despair. Andou is able to make treats that have effects such as altering your mind, and even created a serum that would bring out the true nature of someones heart in the analogy manga; her and Kimura combining their abilities would have enabled them to subdue the remaining forces of dispair despair and deal with the mass hysteria that the incident caused. Izayoi may specialize in making weapons, but seeing how destroyed civilization is at this point, any "Ultimate" with the ability to build stuff would be very welcome.



** It's actually worse than that. Munakata has no way of knowing the whole truth of what happened and technically never really found out that [[spoiler: Juzo lied to him]]; he just connected the dots between [[spoiler: Junko plunging the world into despair and Juzo claiming that she was innocent of causing the first killing game, and came to the conclusion that he had to have lied.]] [[spoiler: That makes it worse because that knowledge is open to multiple interpretations. Juzo could have been on her side all along, Junko could have been so intelligent that she was able to cover her tracks and trick him into genuinely thinking that she was innocent, he could have had his memories erased or altered or been brainwashed to forget discovering her, or she could have plunged Juzo into despair so that he willingly sided with her.]] [[spoiler: From what Munakata says while he stabs him, it seems like he is going with the option of his friend having fallen into dispair against his will [[spoiler: like Chisa had]], but the fact is that he doesn't completely know that Juzo actually had anything to do with covering for Junko, he just suspects it, and then decides to murder his best friend out of paranoia.]] Munakata does get a bit of leeway in that he had pretty much had a full-on mental break-down at this point, but the fact remains that he was willing to kill his friend despite not totally knowing for sure if Juzo actually had [[spoiler: purposely covered for Junko]] or if he had been forced into it against his will and/or knowlege.

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** It's actually worse than that. Munakata has no way of knowing the whole truth of what happened and technically never really found out that [[spoiler: Juzo lied to him]]; he just connected the dots between [[spoiler: Junko plunging the world into despair and Juzo claiming that she was innocent of causing the first killing game, and came to the conclusion that he had to have lied.]] [[spoiler: That makes it worse because that knowledge is open to multiple interpretations. Juzo could have been on her side all along, Junko could have been so intelligent that she was able to cover her tracks and trick him into genuinely thinking that she was innocent, he could have had his memories erased or altered or been brainwashed to forget discovering her, or she could have plunged Juzo into despair so that he willingly sided with her.]] [[spoiler: From what Munakata says while he stabs him, it seems like he is going with the option of his friend having fallen into dispair despair against his will [[spoiler: like Chisa had]], had, but the fact is that he doesn't completely know that Juzo actually had anything to do with covering for Junko, he just suspects it, and then decides to murder his best friend out of paranoia.]] Munakata does get a bit of leeway in that he had pretty much had a full-on mental break-down at this point, but the fact remains that he was willing to kill his friend despite not totally knowing for sure if Juzo actually had [[spoiler: purposely covered for Junko]] or if he had been forced into it against his will and/or knowlege.
6th Feb '18 3:41:24 PM fabcats1
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** It's actually worse than that. Munakata has no way of knowing the whole truth of what happened and technically never really found out that [[spoiler: Juzo lied to him]]; he just connected the dots between [[spoiler: Junko plunging the world into despair and Juzo claiming that she was innocent of causing the first killing game, and came to the conclusion that he had to have lied.]] [[spoiler: That makes it worse because that knowledge is open to multiple interpretations. Juzo could have been on her side all along, Junko could have been so intelligent that she was able to cover her tracks and trick him into genuinely thinking that she was innocent, he could have had his memories erased or altered or been brainwashed to forget discovering her, or she could have plunged Juzo into despair so that he willingly sided with her.]] [[spoiler: From what Munakata says while he stabs him, it seems like he is going with the option of his friend having fallen into dispair against his will [[spoiler: like Chisa had]], but the fact is that he doesn't completely know that Juzo actually had anything to do with covering for Junko, he just suspects it, and then decides to murder his best friend out of paranoia.]] Munakata does get a bit of leeway in that he had pretty much had a full-on mental break-down at this point, but the fact remains that he was willing to kill his friend despite not totally knowing for sure if Juzo actually had [[spoiler: purposely covered for Junko]] or if he had been forced into it against his will and/or knowlege.


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* The fact that Munakata never reached Juzo before the former's death has lots of unsettling implications for Munakata's mental health. Juzo died thinking that Munakata hated him and had abandoned him, but [[spoiler: still loved him and was relived to know that Munakata would make it out alive.]] Munakata clearly regrets his attempted murder of his loyal friend and, giving how messed up he clearly is after losing everything, he quite possibly thinks that Juzo died angry and cursing him for his betrayal, when that wasn't the case at all. While he was sad about being abandoned to die alone, he also died content and happy because he finally managed to do something right and felt that he had atoned for the fact that he [[spoiler: was more or less complicit in destroying the world. He also still loved Munakata dearly and totally forgave him for causing his death.]] But all Munakata knows is that he clearly betrayed his friend, and that Juzo was clearly destroyed by that betrayal. He notes that Juzo died with a big smile on his face, but can only speculate as to what his last moments were like and hope that he wasn't smiling because he lost the will to live and wouldn't have to deal with the state of the world anymore. Seeing how messed up he already is by the the time that he is seen wandering off after the end...the idea of Munakata thinking those sort of thoughts and what they could do to his already fracture mental state is not pleasant.
1st Feb '18 9:07:13 AM fabcats1
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*** Similarly, Episode 6 reveals the [[spoiler:ultimate therapist]] was dead before the game even began. That is NOT what you'd want to hear when the world has gone mad to the point of mass self-destruction.



* Similarly to the first point above, Episode 6 reveals the [[spoiler:ultimate therapist]] was dead before the game even began. That is NOT what you'd want to hear when the world has gone mad to the point of mass self-destruction.
** For similar reasons Andou, Kimura, and Izayoi deaths. There has to be a great demand for doctors, not to mention that kimura can make all sorts of concoctions, such as truth serum or drugs to increase your strength; she could likely produce substances to help with the mass insanity and effects of despair. Andou is able to make treats that have effects such as altering your mind, and even created a serum that would bring out the true nature of someones heart in the analogy manga; her and Kimura combining their abilities would have enabled them to subdue the remaining forces of dispair and deal with the mass hysteria that the incident caused. Izayoi may specialize in making weapons, but seeing how destroyed civilization is at this point, any "Ultimate" with the ability to build stuff would be very welcome.



* While Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders. Also, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures and inability to save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that eventually led to her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left totally unprotected and is barely even sane enough to function out of her crippling loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been mad at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get repaired before they died.]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and a strong sense of loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.
** Taking that even farther, from the beginning of the Future Arc, it's clear that The Future Federation is physically and militarily fighting the Remnants of Despair and the goal seems to be total annihilation of the enemy; it's quite likely that Gozu has been forced to kill people. Given his character, it's pretty reasonable to assume that, even if it was during a war and to protect his allies, that he wasn't particularly thrilled with having to kill. Just think about it. You are a very loyal person who dislikes unnecessary violence and will go to great lengths to protect other people. Then, imagine that you are confronted by all your fallen comrades, many of who you likely witnessed die or failed to save, and that they are angry at you and blaming you for their deaths. And, on top of that, they are mad at you for not avenging them and protecting the rest of the Future Federation at all costs, even if it means killing your own friends. And it's also very likely that Chisa and Bandai are in there, as well, and are angry about their deaths and hate you for not only not protecting them, but not caring enough about their deaths to get your hands dirty and stop the Killing Game. Add on also being haunted by the enemies that you had to kill...dang. The possibilities of what Great Gozu saw before his own death are rather horrifying, and it's only made worse by the fact that he was likely THE most good member of the Federation and that he didn't deserve to die such a torturous death.
** The fact that Great Gozu stabbed out his own eyes before he died also has some pretty unsettling implications. First; he just wanted to get rid of the image of whatever it was that was tormenting him. The second option is even worse;[[spoiler: he realized what was going on and was trying to put out his eyes to stop the brainwashing because he wanted to live, but ended up getting driven to suicide anyway.]] Option two also possibly has an even darker side to it when you stop and consider Gozu's nature the the situation of the Future Foundation right before his death. Before the second sleeping phase, Gozu had to save Makoto and Aoi from Sakakura and Munakata and everything had pretty much gone to heck, with everyone suspecting each other and focusing on their own survival. Gozu seemed to totally trust Makoto and had faith in his ability to figure out some way to get the Future Federation out of the mess they were in. He also clearly planned to protect Makoto, Aoi, and anyone else who ended up in danger, from being murdered because of the Foundation's paranoia. If he was able to realize what was really going on [[spoiler: during his brainwashing video, then it's quite possible that Gozu was able to remember what had happened before-hand. In that case, he would have realized that he couldn't die because then Makoto and Aoi would have no one one else, aside from Kirigiri, on their side and would likely be killed. He also clearly wanted to protect everyone and have them all make it out alive, and any chance of talking sense into the other members would be totally gone if he died. If Great Gozu was able to remember what was really going on right before he died, that would mean that he knew that his comrades would be in danger without him around to protect him, remembered how everyone turned on each other, and was trying to stop himself from being killed because of his desire to protect his allies.]] [[spoiler: Can you imagine not only the utter horror of the brainwashing video situation, but trying to stop yourself from being forced into suicide while knowing that people that you had promised to protect were in danger, going so far as to stab out your own eyes so that you could still take care of them, but still dying despite your efforts? Imagine the horror that you would feel in your last seconds of life knowing that, not only were you dead, but that now the allies that you were trying to protect were in danger and could be MURDERED and that you were totally helpless to do anything for them... and you figured out what was really killing people, but were unable to tell anyone about it, which would mean that more people would probably die?]]

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* While Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders. Also, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures and inability to save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that anyone, eventually led to culminating in her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left totally unprotected and is barely even sane enough to function loved out of paranoia, which only degraded her crippling loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been mad at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get repaired before they died.]] sanity further]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and a strong sense of loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.
** Taking that even farther, from the beginning of the Future Arc, it's clear that The Future Federation is physically and militarily fighting the Remnants of Despair and the goal seems to be total annihilation of the enemy; it's quite likely that Gozu has been forced to kill people. Given his character, it's pretty reasonable to assume that, even if it was during a war and to protect his allies, that he wasn't particularly thrilled with having to kill. Just **Just think about it. You are a very loyal person who dislikes unnecessary violence and will go to great lengths to protect other people. Then, imagine that you are confronted by all your fallen comrades, many of who you likely witnessed die or failed to save, and that they are angry at you and blaming you for their deaths. And, on top of that, they are mad at you for not avenging them and protecting the rest of the Future Federation at all costs, even if it means killing your own friends. And it's also very likely that Chisa and Bandai are in there, as well, and well. And they are angry about their deaths and hate you for not only not protecting them, but not caring enough about their deaths to get your hands dirty and stop the Killing Game. Add on also being haunted by the enemies that you had to kill...Game...dang. The possibilities of what Great Gozu saw before his own death are rather horrifying, and it's only made worse by the fact that he was likely THE most good member one of the Federation few truly good people among a group of traumatized extremists and that he certainly didn't deserve to die such a torturous death.
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** The fact that Great Gozu he stabbed out his own eyes before he died also has some pretty unsettling implications. First; First, he just wanted to get rid of the image of whatever it was that was tormenting him. The second option is even worse;[[spoiler: he realized what was going on and was trying to put out his eyes to stop the brainwashing because he wanted to live, but ended up getting driven to suicide anyway.]] Option two also possibly has an even darker side to it when you stop and consider Gozu's nature the the situation of the Future Foundation right before his death. what happened beforehand. Before the second sleeping phase, Gozu had to save Makoto and Aoi from Sakakura and Munakata and everything had pretty much gone to heck, with everyone suspecting each other and focusing on their own survival. Gozu seemed to totally trust Makoto and had faith in his ability to figure out some way to get the Future Federation out of the mess they were in. He also clearly planned to protect Makoto, Aoi, and anyone else who ended up in danger, from being murdered because of the Foundation's paranoia. If he was able to realize what was really going on [[spoiler: during his brainwashing video, then it's quite possible that Gozu was able to remember what had happened before-hand. In that case, he would have realized that if he couldn't die because then died, Makoto and Aoi would have no one one else, aside from Kirigiri, on their side and would likely be killed. He also clearly wanted to protect everyone and have them all make it out alive, and any chance of talking sense into the other members would be totally gone if he died. If Great Gozu was able to remember realize what was really going on right before happening to him as he died, killed himself, that would mean that he knew that his comrades would be in danger without him around to protect him, possibly remembered how everyone turned what was going on each other, and was trying to stop himself from being killed because of his desire to protect his allies.]] [[spoiler: Can you imagine not only the utter horror of the brainwashing video situation, but trying to stop yourself from being forced into suicide committing succeed against your will, all while knowing that people that you had promised to protect were would be in danger, going so far as to stab danger if you died? To the point of actually gouging out your own eyes so that you could still take care of them, with a knife, but still dying despite your efforts? Imagine the horror sheer terror and fear that you would feel in your last seconds of life knowing that, not only were you dead, but that now the allies that you were trying to protect were in danger and could be MURDERED and that you were totally helpless to do anything for them... and you figured out what was really killing people, but were unable to tell anyone about it, which would mean that more people would probably die?]]
9th Jan '18 8:09:42 PM fabcats1
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* Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders and, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures, as well as a sense of self-hate and hopelessness over being unable to do anything or save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that eventually led to her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left unprotected and barely even sane enough to function out of loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been made at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get resolved.]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.

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* While Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders and, orders. Also, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures, as well as a sense of self-hate failures and hopelessness over being unable inability to do anything or save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that eventually led to her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left totally unprotected and is barely even sane enough to function out of her crippling loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been made mad at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get resolved.repaired before they died.]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and a strong sense of loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.


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** The fact that Great Gozu stabbed out his own eyes before he died also has some pretty unsettling implications. First; he just wanted to get rid of the image of whatever it was that was tormenting him. The second option is even worse;[[spoiler: he realized what was going on and was trying to put out his eyes to stop the brainwashing because he wanted to live, but ended up getting driven to suicide anyway.]] Option two also possibly has an even darker side to it when you stop and consider Gozu's nature the the situation of the Future Foundation right before his death. Before the second sleeping phase, Gozu had to save Makoto and Aoi from Sakakura and Munakata and everything had pretty much gone to heck, with everyone suspecting each other and focusing on their own survival. Gozu seemed to totally trust Makoto and had faith in his ability to figure out some way to get the Future Federation out of the mess they were in. He also clearly planned to protect Makoto, Aoi, and anyone else who ended up in danger, from being murdered because of the Foundation's paranoia. If he was able to realize what was really going on [[spoiler: during his brainwashing video, then it's quite possible that Gozu was able to remember what had happened before-hand. In that case, he would have realized that he couldn't die because then Makoto and Aoi would have no one one else, aside from Kirigiri, on their side and would likely be killed. He also clearly wanted to protect everyone and have them all make it out alive, and any chance of talking sense into the other members would be totally gone if he died. If Great Gozu was able to remember what was really going on right before he died, that would mean that he knew that his comrades would be in danger without him around to protect him, remembered how everyone turned on each other, and was trying to stop himself from being killed because of his desire to protect his allies.]] [[spoiler: Can you imagine not only the utter horror of the brainwashing video situation, but trying to stop yourself from being forced into suicide while knowing that people that you had promised to protect were in danger, going so far as to stab out your own eyes so that you could still take care of them, but still dying despite your efforts? Imagine the horror that you would feel in your last seconds of life knowing that, not only were you dead, but that now the allies that you were trying to protect were in danger and could be MURDERED and that you were totally helpless to do anything for them... and you figured out what was really killing people, but were unable to tell anyone about it, which would mean that more people would probably die?]]
9th Jan '18 7:43:18 PM fabcats1
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* Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[Spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders and, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures, as well as a sense of self-hate and hopelessness over being unable to do anything or save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that eventually led to her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left unprotected and barely even sane enough to function out of loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been made at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get resolved.]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.

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* Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[Spoiler:clearly [[spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders and, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures, as well as a sense of self-hate and hopelessness over being unable to do anything or save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that eventually led to her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left unprotected and barely even sane enough to function out of loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been made at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get resolved.]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.
9th Jan '18 6:43:54 PM fabcats1
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* Munakata's ArmorPiercingQuestion to The Great Gozu in episode 2 seems simple enough; "Don't you recall how many of our fellows we lost to the fight against despair? How will you be able to face them again after you refused to stamp out despair at all costs?"; the reveal that [[spoiler:everyone who was killed by the attacker was actually brainwashed into a despair-induced insanity so bad that they killed themselves]] makes that question much more disturbing in hindsight. Everyone else who died [[Spoiler:clearly had a reason that they would be driven to suicide. Chisa was already a brainwashed Remnant of Despair, so she was more or less just following orders and, if any small part of the original Chisa was inside her, she also could have killed herself out of despair at the things she had done and the horrors she had witnessed. Seiko may be the Ultimate Pharmacist, but she clearly holds a lot of guilt over her fatal past failures, as well as a sense of self-hate and hopelessness over being unable to do anything or save anyone during the Final Killing game. Ruruka was clearly mentally unstable and anxious to the point of being unable to trust anyone and that eventually led to her murdering the man she loved. Following Izayoi's death, she is left unprotected and barely even sane enough to function out of loneliness and fear. That's not even counting the fact that her boyfriend hadn't been made at her for killing him and died still loving her and that she and Seiko's destroyed relationship didn't get resolved.]] So what would make a GentleGiant bodyguard with a high value of life and loyalty go crazy enough with despair to want to kill himself? The future Federation is the only organization battling The Remnants of Despair and their allies and they have clearly suffered high casualties. When you think about how loyal Great Gozu is to his comrades and his protective nature...chances are that, similar to Makoto, Gozu's brainwashing video was of all of his dead friends and allies from the Future Federation.
** Taking that even farther, from the beginning of the Future Arc, it's clear that The Future Federation is physically and militarily fighting the Remnants of Despair and the goal seems to be total annihilation of the enemy; it's quite likely that Gozu has been forced to kill people. Given his character, it's pretty reasonable to assume that, even if it was during a war and to protect his allies, that he wasn't particularly thrilled with having to kill. Just think about it. You are a very loyal person who dislikes unnecessary violence and will go to great lengths to protect other people. Then, imagine that you are confronted by all your fallen comrades, many of who you likely witnessed die or failed to save, and that they are angry at you and blaming you for their deaths. And, on top of that, they are mad at you for not avenging them and protecting the rest of the Future Federation at all costs, even if it means killing your own friends. And it's also very likely that Chisa and Bandai are in there, as well, and are angry about their deaths and hate you for not only not protecting them, but not caring enough about their deaths to get your hands dirty and stop the Killing Game. Add on also being haunted by the enemies that you had to kill...dang. The possibilities of what Great Gozu saw before his own death are rather horrifying, and it's only made worse by the fact that he was likely THE most good member of the Federation and that he didn't deserve to die such a torturous death.
3rd Jan '18 12:06:58 AM ZoeyPosthuman
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*** Considering her reactions to Junko's attacks and insults, some certain interaction on the roof, and the number of rooms for the 78th class being 15 yet the number of people being 16, we can pretty much guess.
3rd Jan '18 12:02:23 AM ZoeyPosthuman
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** Bonus points: how exactly do you think the Ultimate Chef killed his mother?
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