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3rd May '16 4:05:25 PM Willbyr
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*** It ''may'' have worked, but that's assuming that people buy the confession. Most of the people who matter (the UFN/Black Knights leadership) would probably assume Schneizel was being forced to confess through geass, and wouldn't believe it. Especially since Lelouch's former comrades had pretty publicly threw their lot in with Schneizel (not that that particular blunder was their fault, Lelouch did himself no favours at the UFN negotiations). And societies change much faster when they go through a major culture shock as opposed to steady reform. In our world, WWII and the Holocaust opened our eyes to the horrors of eugenics and prejudice when taken to their logical conclusion, and a world without that would never have advanced as quickly as ours did on the social justice front. The Code Geass world never had that, and it would have taken living through a tyrant like Lelouch presented himself as to make Britannians in particular understand what a real dictatorship was. They still had rights and privileges under Charles, not so under Lelouch who made them equal to the numbers in their shared oppression. As such, they were far more open to freedom, democracy and equality after going through that. Attempts at reform via Suzaku's method would have taken entire generations, as real life has taught us in regards to American and European democracies. ''NightmareOfNunnally'' makes a reference to this; [[FixFic Euphie survives to become Empress]] and frees all the Areas with the intent to rebuild both the countries conquered and Britannia's reputation. On the plus side, this is far more realistic than Zero Requiem. On the negative side, the challenges presented are also very realistic, since people still don't trust Britannia and the ending makes it clear that very few of these challenges are easily solvable. Maybe the anime's creators were simply trying to provide an ending that would be accepted for its relative optimism and happiness for the future?

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*** It ''may'' have worked, but that's assuming that people buy the confession. Most of the people who matter (the UFN/Black Knights leadership) would probably assume Schneizel was being forced to confess through geass, and wouldn't believe it. Especially since Lelouch's former comrades had pretty publicly threw their lot in with Schneizel (not that that particular blunder was their fault, Lelouch did himself no favours at the UFN negotiations). And societies change much faster when they go through a major culture shock as opposed to steady reform. In our world, WWII and the Holocaust opened our eyes to the horrors of eugenics and prejudice when taken to their logical conclusion, and a world without that would never have advanced as quickly as ours did on the social justice front. The Code Geass world never had that, and it would have taken living through a tyrant like Lelouch presented himself as to make Britannians in particular understand what a real dictatorship was. They still had rights and privileges under Charles, not so under Lelouch who made them equal to the numbers in their shared oppression. As such, they were far more open to freedom, democracy and equality after going through that. Attempts at reform via Suzaku's method would have taken entire generations, as real life has taught us in regards to American and European democracies. ''NightmareOfNunnally'' ''[[Manga/CodeGeassNightmareOfNunnally Nightmare of Nunnally]]'' makes a reference to this; [[FixFic Euphie survives to become Empress]] and frees all the Areas with the intent to rebuild both the countries conquered and Britannia's reputation. On the plus side, this is far more realistic than Zero Requiem. On the negative side, the challenges presented are also very realistic, since people still don't trust Britannia and the ending makes it clear that very few of these challenges are easily solvable. Maybe the anime's creators were simply trying to provide an ending that would be accepted for its relative optimism and happiness for the future?
27th Apr '16 7:30:36 AM KrspaceT
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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage)

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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage)hostage).
* Ironically, Jeremiah and the Purebloods were not all that wrong in blaming Suzaku for Clovis's death. Suzaku being shot right in front of Lelouch would have definitely made him angrier than he would have without it, and he definitely unintentionally set up the events to give Lelouch Geass. Then Lelouch got to make his big debut as Zero to rescue Suzaku from them. Without Suzaku, the events at the start of the season could not have happened, at least as quickly.
5th Apr '16 8:56:44 PM GuiRitter
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*** That could certainly be considered foreshadowing for problems to come. Headaches could hardly be considered a devistating blow. And, It isn't surprising that Lelouch would not ask for help. He is a very confident person, after all. In any case, when you really think about it, this little mishap adds more to the story than just a plot ticket.

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*** That could certainly be considered foreshadowing for problems to come. Headaches could hardly be considered a devistating devastating blow. And, It isn't surprising that Lelouch would not ask for help. He is a very confident person, after all. In any case, when you really think about it, this little mishap adds more to the story than just a plot ticket.



** It really seemed like Euphie running up to the microphone was supposed to directly follow Lelouch proclaiming to her "I will now stain your hands with blood, Euphemia li Britannia!" (cue Lelouch's iris turning into the Geass symbol) implying he was initially supposed to just make her commit genocide out of resentment (her being an Imperial Family member and "stealing" from him, like he percieved Cornelia and Schnizel to have done in the past) as well as practicality, and that the creators simply changed their minds and shoehorned in the "it was all an accident!" part in order to build more sympathy for Lelouch, so he wasn't an out-and-out monster, which was quite irksome given that the entire point of Lelouch's character is that sympathy for him comes entirely from his cause rather than any percieved moral infallibility like with other heroes. That would have made the part where the Emperor is laughing manically before cutting to Schnizel's shocked face upon seeing Diethard's broadcast - implying that Lelouch has surpassed Schnizel in Charles eyes (he seems to think very little of Schneizel from that point on) or that since he favours Lelouch's mother over Schnizel's, and now that the former has finally lived up to Marianne's ruthlessness, he's ecstatic - much more poignant. It does come off as a bit of an AssPull.

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** It really seemed like Euphie running up to the microphone was supposed to directly follow Lelouch proclaiming to her "I will now stain your hands with blood, Euphemia li Britannia!" (cue Lelouch's iris turning into the Geass symbol) implying he was initially supposed to just make her commit genocide out of resentment (her being an Imperial Family member and "stealing" from him, like he percieved perceived Cornelia and Schnizel Schneizel to have done in the past) as well as practicality, and that the creators simply changed their minds and shoehorned in the "it was all an accident!" part in order to build more sympathy for Lelouch, so he wasn't an out-and-out monster, which was quite irksome given that the entire point of Lelouch's character is that sympathy for him comes entirely from his cause rather than any percieved perceived moral infallibility like with other heroes. That would have made the part where the Emperor is laughing manically before cutting to Schnizel's Schneizel's shocked face upon seeing Diethard's broadcast - implying that Lelouch has surpassed Schnizel Schneizel in Charles eyes (he seems to think very little of Schneizel from that point on) or that since he favours Lelouch's mother over Schnizel's, Schneizel's, and now that the former has finally lived up to Marianne's ruthlessness, he's ecstatic - much more poignant. It does come off as a bit of an AssPull.
26th Mar '16 2:56:12 AM matteste
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* As, bad as it is to say, it probably is for the best [[spoiler:Euphemia's plans didn't work out]]. With the way Britannia was, it probably would not have lasted. At some point, even if Cornelia wouldn't of, someone would have destroyed the SAZ, or it would quickly become overcrowded with people wanting their rights back. On a less horror general note, and a more singular note, [[BewareTheNiceOnes Euphie was probably the most dangerous person to Lelouch's plans]]. If she had, by some miracle, managed to keep her plan working, rebellion would have fizzled out.

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* As, bad as it is to say, it probably is for the best [[spoiler:Euphemia's plans didn't work out]]. With the way Britannia was, it probably would not have lasted. At some point, even if Cornelia wouldn't of, someone would have destroyed the SAZ, or it would quickly become overcrowded with people wanting their rights back. On a less horror general note, and a more singular note, [[BewareTheNiceOnes Euphie was probably the most dangerous person to Lelouch's plans]]. If she had, by some miracle, managed to keep her plan working, rebellion would have fizzled out.out.
* Remember that Rollo's geass stops his heart. Now just what would have happened to him if he ever reached the stage where his geass is stuck in the ON position. Chances are it would not be very pleasant. And what if there are other geasses out there that put similar strain on the user.
2nd Nov '15 7:40:54 AM FF32
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* I was browsing at the CG wikia and looking at the map of the second part of the series and I saw the Middle Eastern Federation was painted as red and also Indonesia and the Phillipines, so I realized that the Black Rebellion was actually a heavy blow to the Britannian Empire, even if it was a failure, because the Empire lost territory (because, judging by the map before the UFN, it looked like the Empire was practically a VillainSue). With two royals dead and one missing and if the securing of the new areas wasn't going as good as expected because they had to redirect supplies to Japan, the control over those areas was feeble. It could be said that the UFN accepted the governments in exile, but the area corresponding to Persia is not alligned with the UFN, which leads the question of why didn't they join the UFN? Because the Britannian threat wasn't relevant. Then Britannia, after the Black Rebellion, redirected its efforts to the EU (the provider of supplies and technology to guerrillas over the world), conquering most of the ill-defended Africa (UnfortunateImplication for the EU? I am of the opinion that an African colonized by the EU had only a slightly better condition than a Number) while advancing in Europe with Schneizel's strategy of negotiating with states directly (serious, how could they conquer Russia in one year without making an accord?) and [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower Suzaku]], while arranging the purchase of China to not have the problem of mobilizing the entire army to retake the once conquered areas. As for the Toromo Agency in Cambodia, it could be argued that it's just the United States of Cambodia didn't care with their presence and the jungle would be a good cover for the research. Tropers/NotJMKeynes.

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* I was browsing at the CG wikia and looking at the map of the second part of the series and I saw the Middle Eastern Federation was painted as red and also Indonesia and the Phillipines, so I realized that the Black Rebellion was actually a heavy blow to the Britannian Empire, even if it was a failure, because the Empire lost territory (because, judging by the map before the UFN, it looked like the Empire was practically a VillainSue). With two royals dead and one missing and if the securing of the new areas wasn't going as good as expected because they had to redirect supplies to Japan, the control over those areas was feeble. It could be said that the UFN accepted the governments in exile, but the area corresponding to Persia is not alligned with the UFN, which leads the question of why didn't they join the UFN? Because the Britannian threat wasn't relevant. Then Britannia, after the Black Rebellion, redirected its efforts to the EU (the provider of supplies and technology to guerrillas over the world), conquering most of the ill-defended Africa (UnfortunateImplication (UnfortunateImplications for the EU? I am of the opinion that an African colonized by the EU had only a slightly better condition than a Number) while advancing in Europe with Schneizel's strategy of negotiating with states directly (serious, how could they conquer Russia in one year without making an accord?) and [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower Suzaku]], while arranging the purchase of China to not have the problem of mobilizing the entire army to retake the once conquered areas. As for the Toromo Agency in Cambodia, it could be argued that it's just the United States of Cambodia didn't care with their presence and the jungle would be a good cover for the research. Tropers/NotJMKeynes.
16th Jun '15 8:17:59 AM dotchan
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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage)
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1st Jun '15 6:11:24 AM StFan
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* When Mao from ''CodeGeass'' not only survived [[spoiler:getting shot up by heavy caliber rounds]], but [[spoiler:was up and around in ''less than a week'',]] I assumed the writers were just [[AssPull bringing him back]] because they [[spoiler:had killed him off too early]] so as to [[spoiler:bring forth TheReveal about Suzaku killing his father]], but then R2 rolled around and it turned out that [[spoiler:Geass was basically a method of ''transferring immortality'', and only those with Geass can take immortality away from immortals, meaning that alterations must be occuring to the body of the Geass user to ''prepare'' them for said immortality, making them more resilient and faster to heal!]] What was an AssPull turned out to be extremely effective ForeShadowing, making that scene much better in context. -- @/{{Narvi}}
** And another thing about Mao: there's a lot of debate about why so many episodes are concentrated on him and not the war of liberation. His detractors blame him for hijacking the story and even many of his fans agree that he's just thrown in for filler (or the closest thing an AnimeFirst series has to filler, anyway), except... that if you really think about him and the situations he's in, it's really necessary to devote all those episodes to him. Think about it: the basic premise of ''CodeGeass'' is that all the characters have things to hide and everyone needs to pretend to be someone they're not at least once. Mao is a mind-reader, and so he knows what all the other characters are hiding and could easily reveal anyone's secrets anytime he wants. As such, at the time he's an even greater threat to Lelouch than the evil Britannians and so Lelouch can't very well get back to the main action until Mao's removed. -- @/{{2writeis2life}}

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* When Mao from ''CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'' not only survived [[spoiler:getting shot up by heavy caliber rounds]], but [[spoiler:was up and around in ''less than a week'',]] I assumed the writers were just [[AssPull bringing him back]] because they [[spoiler:had killed him off too early]] so as to [[spoiler:bring forth TheReveal about Suzaku killing his father]], but then R2 rolled around and it turned out that [[spoiler:Geass was basically a method of ''transferring immortality'', and only those with Geass can take immortality away from immortals, meaning that alterations must be occuring to the body of the Geass user to ''prepare'' them for said immortality, making them more resilient and faster to heal!]] What was an AssPull turned out to be extremely effective ForeShadowing, making that scene much better in context. -- @/{{Narvi}}
** And another thing about Mao: there's a lot of debate about why so many episodes are concentrated on him and not the war of liberation. His detractors blame him for hijacking the story and even many of his fans agree that he's just thrown in for filler (or the closest thing an AnimeFirst series has to filler, anyway), except... that if you really think about him and the situations he's in, it's really necessary to devote all those episodes to him. Think about it: the basic premise of ''CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is that all the characters have things to hide and everyone needs to pretend to be someone they're not at least once. Mao is a mind-reader, and so he knows what all the other characters are hiding and could easily reveal anyone's secrets anytime he wants. As such, at the time he's an even greater threat to Lelouch than the evil Britannians and so Lelouch can't very well get back to the main action until Mao's removed. -- @/{{2writeis2life}}



** For all that I love ''CodeGeass'', I used to feel like Lelouch was (or at least started out as) something of a Light Yagami rip-off. They're both teenage geniuses who suddenly gain great power and try to use it to change the world. But, on further thought, Light and Lelouch have some crucial differences. Lelouch, even from when he's a little kid, vows that he will one day destroy Britannia, and in fact gaining Geass only ''speeds up'' his plans to topple the Empire. Light never seriously thought he would be able to do anything to change the "rotten" world he lives in until he discovers the Death Note. But there's one thing that completely sets Lelouch vi Britannia and Light Yagami apart: their pasts. Lelouch is a prince, not an OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent like Light, and his motives (at least initially) are revenge (for his mother's murder) and to create a better world for his sister. His motivation is very much rooted in his family and his past. Light, however, is utterly normal. He has a normal family, with two parents and a younger sister (he may get his "justice" thing from his police chief dad, but it's not an uncommon thing to believe in) - in fact, he basically has the ideal "Nuclear Family". He never had any involvement in the evil he sought to purge from the world, other than seeing it in the news. Besides his abnormally large brain, Light is the Everyman up until he finds the Death Note - which raises the question in the ordinary people who watch ''Manga/DeathNote'': "What would ''{{you|Bastard}}'' do if you ever found something like the Death Note?" Which is completely not the point of Code Geass at all. -@/{{Munkiman}}

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** For all that I love ''CodeGeass'', ''Anime/CodeGeass'', I used to feel like Lelouch was (or at least started out as) something of a Light Yagami rip-off. They're both teenage geniuses who suddenly gain great power and try to use it to change the world. But, on further thought, Light and Lelouch have some crucial differences. Lelouch, even from when he's a little kid, vows that he will one day destroy Britannia, and in fact gaining Geass only ''speeds up'' his plans to topple the Empire. Light never seriously thought he would be able to do anything to change the "rotten" world he lives in until he discovers the Death Note. But there's one thing that completely sets Lelouch vi Britannia and Light Yagami apart: their pasts. Lelouch is a prince, not an OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent like Light, and his motives (at least initially) are revenge (for his mother's murder) and to create a better world for his sister. His motivation is very much rooted in his family and his past. Light, however, is utterly normal. He has a normal family, with two parents and a younger sister (he may get his "justice" thing from his police chief dad, but it's not an uncommon thing to believe in) - in fact, he basically has the ideal "Nuclear Family". He never had any involvement in the evil he sought to purge from the world, other than seeing it in the news. Besides his abnormally large brain, Light is the Everyman up until he finds the Death Note - which raises the question in the ordinary people who watch ''Manga/DeathNote'': "What would ''{{you|Bastard}}'' do if you ever found something like the Death Note?" Which is completely not the point of Code Geass at all. -@/{{Munkiman}}



** Let's examine ''Manga/DeathNote'' and ''CodeGeass'': ''Manga/DeathNote'' is a dark anime, in which most of the scenes and characters are dark and toned, and it contains a CrapsackWorld, but also a protagonist who subscribes to LightIsNotGood. ''CodeGeass'', on the other hand, seems much more straightforward and even optimistic, uses a lot of bright colors in its characters and scenery, and comes with a protagonist who subscribes (at least initially) to DarkIsNotEvil. ''CodeGeass'' has a hopeful BittersweetEnding while ''Manga/DeathNote'' has a ShootTheShaggyDog style DownerEnding. The two shows could easily be seen as counterparts. -- @/{{2writeis2life}}

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** Let's examine ''Manga/DeathNote'' and ''CodeGeass'': ''Code Geass'': ''Manga/DeathNote'' is a dark anime, in which most of the scenes and characters are dark and toned, and it contains a CrapsackWorld, but also a protagonist who subscribes to LightIsNotGood. ''CodeGeass'', ''Code Geass'', on the other hand, seems much more straightforward and even optimistic, uses a lot of bright colors in its characters and scenery, and comes with a protagonist who subscribes (at least initially) to DarkIsNotEvil. ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' has a hopeful BittersweetEnding while ''Manga/DeathNote'' has a ShootTheShaggyDog style DownerEnding. The two shows could easily be seen as counterparts. -- @/{{2writeis2life}}



* Due to DisappointingLastLevel and poor planning and explanations, ''CodeGeass'' seemed more like a ShootTheShaggyDog-style EsotericHappyEnding itself. Lelouch goes with a plan with no guaranteed chance of success, and without himself to keep things from falling apart, and the road there involves doing things below even the lowest of his baseline standards during the bulk of the series. And he went with this plan because he had no one to turn to who really valued life to help him out, especially with Nunnally apparently dead. And guess who turned up an episode after he started the plan? --@/{{azul120}}

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* Due to DisappointingLastLevel and poor planning and explanations, ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' seemed more like a ShootTheShaggyDog-style EsotericHappyEnding itself. Lelouch goes with a plan with no guaranteed chance of success, and without himself to keep things from falling apart, and the road there involves doing things below even the lowest of his baseline standards during the bulk of the series. And he went with this plan because he had no one to turn to who really valued life to help him out, especially with Nunnally apparently dead. And guess who turned up an episode after he started the plan? --@/{{azul120}}



** And another one:the ending seems stupid with [[spoiler:too many KarmaHoudini characters getting their EsotericHappyEnding despite making mistakes they should have paid for like Lelouch and Suzaku--both willingly at that--did]]. I myself dislike that much too. Then I thought of something: CodeGeass is a ''subtle parody''. And here it's parodying [[spoiler:happy endings by making one happen when by all accounts it shouldn't]]; just [[spoiler:listen closely to the music, it's too freaking happy for what had just happened to Lelouch the SilentScapegoat]]. It may not make what happened to [[spoiler:Lelouch or Suzaku]] that much more likeable, but who says it needs to be? - @/MasterKnight

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** And another one:the ending seems stupid with [[spoiler:too many KarmaHoudini characters getting their EsotericHappyEnding despite making mistakes they should have paid for like Lelouch and Suzaku--both willingly at that--did]]. I myself dislike that much too. Then I thought of something: CodeGeass ''Code Geass'' is a ''subtle parody''. And here it's parodying [[spoiler:happy endings by making one happen when by all accounts it shouldn't]]; just [[spoiler:listen closely to the music, it's too freaking happy for what had just happened to Lelouch the SilentScapegoat]]. It may not make what happened to [[spoiler:Lelouch or Suzaku]] that much more likeable, but who says it needs to be? - @/MasterKnight



* The technological breakthroughs of ''CodeGeass'' over the course of the series can seem a bit... rushed and even farfetched, at times. Technology shouldn't improve at such a rate, especially not knightmares (7 years for the 4th and 5th generations, 2 years for 7, 8, and 9th generation frames). However, it becomes brilliant when you consider 2 factors: ''CodeGeass'' takes place during a period of astounding technological growth in our world (the Cold War era), and: [[spoiler:Schneizel ''planned this out the entire time''. He ''wanted'' to build Damocles, and so poured countless resources into developing the relevant technologies. The float systems, shielding, knightmares, and even the FLEIJAs become awesome when you realize that they were all meant to be used together from day one]].
** For those people who watched ''CodeGeass'' before they watched shows like the Gundam Franchise and [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Evangelion]], I would suggest watching those series next, followed by rewatching ''CodeGeass''. I won't get into the Eva references, since those have been done to death on this site, but take a look at ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam''. In particular, take a good look at the Zabi Family, particularly Degwin Sodo Zabi (Charles zi Britannia), Gihren Zabi (Schneizel), Dozle Zabi (who is likeable like Odysseus, but has a reputation akin to Cornelia), Kycilia Zabi (Cornelia herself!), and Garma Zabi (who is obviously Clovis). Meanwhile, Lelouch vi Britannia is based off of Casval Rem Deikun, and both have a famous alias: Zero and Char Aznable (hell, Char even means "four", fitting with the number theme). He also uses the alias Lelouch Lamperouge (possibly inspired by Char's alias Edward Mass), and is known to some as "The Black Prince" (The Red Comet, of course!). Then his sister Nunnally vi Britannia is based off of Char's sister Artesia Sum Deikun (Nunnally Lamperouge = Sayla Mass). Nunnally may also have some connection (being inspired by or inspiring) to Mineva Lao Zabi (Audrey Burne). Marianne vi Britannia, who was described as loving and a general saint by those that knew her (and was later assassinated) could have some inspiration drawn from Zeon Zum Deikun, who was a philosopher and a pacifist. Basically, ''CodeGeass'' takes the entire plotline of Char's vengeance against the family of dictators and translates it to a Japan/Britannia battlefield, with the added twist that they're all part the same family now! They even have the same habit of using those nonsensical honorifics in their names. Hell, Lelouch killed Clovis first, just as Char did to Garma! Charles is much like Degwin, both seeming like ruthless tyrants while, in reality, being tired of war. Charles simply had a very Gendo-esque way of ending it! Gihren inspired Schneizel (from the pseudo-German name right down to the superweapon), mixed in with Charles' speech-giving powers. Both even tried to take over near the end. Sadly, Cornelia's attempt to shoot Schneizel near the end was far less successful than Kycilia's assassination of Gihren. In addition, the idea of these characters being royalty (and exiled royalty) rather than just pseudo-noble dictators was taken from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'', with Lelouch being much like the infamous CharClone, Zechs, who is an exiled Prince with blood on his hands (also note that Milliardo and Zechs are both Number based, like Zero, as was the theme in ''Wing'')! Which would make Nunnally based on Relena! ... [[YourHeadAsplode Wow]]... In short, no matter how [[AssPull completely out of the blue]] many plot points may seem, its obvious that they had been using previous Gundam series as inspiration the whole damn time. Perhaps people would have been far more able to discover the motives and suspected actions of many characters if they simply watched the series that came before and followed what the equivalent character did (or tried to do).

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* The technological breakthroughs of ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' over the course of the series can seem a bit... rushed and even farfetched, at times. Technology shouldn't improve at such a rate, especially not knightmares (7 years for the 4th and 5th generations, 2 years for 7, 8, and 9th generation frames). However, it becomes brilliant when you consider 2 factors: ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' takes place during a period of astounding technological growth in our world (the Cold War era), and: [[spoiler:Schneizel ''planned this out the entire time''. He ''wanted'' to build Damocles, and so poured countless resources into developing the relevant technologies. The float systems, shielding, knightmares, and even the FLEIJAs become awesome when you realize that they were all meant to be used together from day one]].
** For those people who watched ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' before they watched shows like the Gundam Franchise and [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Evangelion]], I would suggest watching those series next, followed by rewatching ''CodeGeass''.''Anime/CodeGeass''. I won't get into the Eva references, since those have been done to death on this site, but take a look at ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam''. In particular, take a good look at the Zabi Family, particularly Degwin Sodo Zabi (Charles zi Britannia), Gihren Zabi (Schneizel), Dozle Zabi (who is likeable like Odysseus, but has a reputation akin to Cornelia), Kycilia Zabi (Cornelia herself!), and Garma Zabi (who is obviously Clovis). Meanwhile, Lelouch vi Britannia is based off of Casval Rem Deikun, and both have a famous alias: Zero and Char Aznable (hell, Char even means "four", fitting with the number theme). He also uses the alias Lelouch Lamperouge (possibly inspired by Char's alias Edward Mass), and is known to some as "The Black Prince" (The Red Comet, of course!). Then his sister Nunnally vi Britannia is based off of Char's sister Artesia Sum Deikun (Nunnally Lamperouge = Sayla Mass). Nunnally may also have some connection (being inspired by or inspiring) to Mineva Lao Zabi (Audrey Burne). Marianne vi Britannia, who was described as loving and a general saint by those that knew her (and was later assassinated) could have some inspiration drawn from Zeon Zum Deikun, who was a philosopher and a pacifist. Basically, ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' takes the entire plotline of Char's vengeance against the family of dictators and translates it to a Japan/Britannia battlefield, with the added twist that they're all part the same family now! They even have the same habit of using those nonsensical honorifics in their names. Hell, Lelouch killed Clovis first, just as Char did to Garma! Charles is much like Degwin, both seeming like ruthless tyrants while, in reality, being tired of war. Charles simply had a very Gendo-esque way of ending it! Gihren inspired Schneizel (from the pseudo-German name right down to the superweapon), mixed in with Charles' speech-giving powers. Both even tried to take over near the end. Sadly, Cornelia's attempt to shoot Schneizel near the end was far less successful than Kycilia's assassination of Gihren. In addition, the idea of these characters being royalty (and exiled royalty) rather than just pseudo-noble dictators was taken from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'', with Lelouch being much like the infamous CharClone, Zechs, who is an exiled Prince with blood on his hands (also note that Milliardo and Zechs are both Number based, like Zero, as was the theme in ''Wing'')! Which would make Nunnally based on Relena! ... [[YourHeadAsplode Wow]]... In short, no matter how [[AssPull completely out of the blue]] many plot points may seem, its obvious that they had been using previous Gundam series as inspiration the whole damn time. Perhaps people would have been far more able to discover the motives and suspected actions of many characters if they simply watched the series that came before and followed what the equivalent character did (or tried to do).



* The main argument against building a military mecha in the real world is the vulnerability of the legs, right? Well, ''CodeGeass'' brilliantly dodges the issue by making the mecha in question so [[LightningBruiser friggin' nimble]] via RollerbladeGood that it's nigh impossible to accurately target the legs in combat. Of course, real-world mechas wouldn't engage in close combat but still.

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* The main argument against building a military mecha in the real world is the vulnerability of the legs, right? Well, ''CodeGeass'' ''Code Geass'' brilliantly dodges the issue by making the mecha in question so [[LightningBruiser friggin' nimble]] via RollerbladeGood that it's nigh impossible to accurately target the legs in combat. Of course, real-world mechas wouldn't engage in close combat but still.



* ''CodeGeass'': The Guren's main weapon system is pretty nightmarish once you remember that, besides blowing up an enemy's machine, it first microwaves the pilot alive.

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* ''CodeGeass'': The Guren's main weapon system is pretty nightmarish once you remember that, besides blowing up an enemy's machine, it first microwaves the pilot alive.



* So Lelouch blows up the majority of the world's sakuradite reserves to win the Second Battle of Tokyo, right? Well, considering that sakuradite is the CodeGeass world's equivalent of petroleum, wouldn't that pretty much spell global economic collapse and the end of civilization? After all, from the looks of it, having easy superconductors results in the CodeGeass lack chemical propellants and internal combustion engines...

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* So Lelouch blows up the majority of the world's sakuradite reserves to win the Second Battle of Tokyo, right? Well, considering that sakuradite is the CodeGeass ''Code Geass'' world's equivalent of petroleum, wouldn't that pretty much spell global economic collapse and the end of civilization? After all, from the looks of it, having easy superconductors results in the CodeGeass lack world lacking chemical propellants and internal combustion engines...



*** The recent CodeGeassAkitoTheExiled OVA shows a number of additional solar panels in another city controlled by Britannia and, what might be far more interesting, the presence of huge wind turbines around the European capital of Paris. This confirms that Sakuradite is not the only important source of energy available, so presumably wind power and solar power will see a lot of extra investment in order to compensate.

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*** The recent CodeGeassAkitoTheExiled ''Anime/CodeGeassAkitoTheExiled'' OVA shows a number of additional solar panels in another city controlled by Britannia and, what might be far more interesting, the presence of huge wind turbines around the European capital of Paris. This confirms that Sakuradite is not the only important source of energy available, so presumably wind power and solar power will see a lot of extra investment in order to compensate.
19th May '15 9:53:29 PM Cinereous
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* In R2 Episode 11, while Diethard is pushing hard to convince Lelouch to have the Chinese Empress [[ArrangedMarriage marry a member of the Black Knights]] to solidify the alliance, the ones who object are Kaguya, C.C., Chiba, and Rakshata (well, OK, [[ItAmusedMe in a sense for her]]). All women, but that's not the brilliant part. Lelouch is very surprised to see that even C.C. is objecting to the marriage, having figured it wouldn't bother someone as jaded as her. The brilliance comes in after we learn C.C.'s backstory and her [[LoveHungry experience with false love]] explaining why someone like her wouldn't be comfortable with such a marriage.
18th Apr '15 7:01:07 PM kome360
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* Why ThereAreNoTherapists for Nina? Simple: why Schneizel would a pay or suggest therapist for her?

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* Why ThereAreNoTherapists for Nina? Simple: why would Schneizel would ever let a pay or suggest therapist for her?near his warhead-producing MadScientist?
24th Mar '15 12:10:12 PM azul120
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*** The original proverb Lelouch said was "Only those who are prepared to fire should be fired at." In other words, the converse of the English claim that the only ones who should kill are those who are willing to be killed. Whereas the latter is more honorable, the former is by far the more rational (the belief that the only ones who should be killed are those who are willing to kill others). The Japanese version of the quote better emphasizes that everything he's been doing was supposed to be for everyone else's sake; fighting and killing so that no one'd be taken advantage of ever again. [[spoiler:It also better drives home the self-inflicted KarmicDeath he devised in the ending (he took others' lives until he was essentially the only person alive who'd gotten away with murdering other human beings, sans Suzaku and the Black Knights and everyone else who fought trying to defend their liberty, whom he had supposedly '''prepared to execute right there during the end''') as both a rational and just ending (the entire idea was to get rid of all those who'd rather kill or fight back than obey his idea of justice and let everyone else be a KarmaHoudini, so that there's no one left to blame). He could have been a true tyrant and, in Suzaku's words, betrayed the entire world the way it betrayed him if he'd remained in power, but he always wanted the world to change for the better[[note]](although he didn't exactly realize what that justice he sought was until later on in R2, when he decided he should value others' lives first; around when he thought Nunnally'd died)[[/note]], and he couldn't just stop acting like a vengeful EvilOverlord, [[DeathIsTheOnlyOption which is why Zero had to kill him]]. Furthermore, if Lelouch doesn't die, the ending loses all its emotional weight.]]
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