History Fridge / CodeGeass

5th May '17 4:27:46 PM KrspaceT
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* Each of Charles's children, at least the main ones, have a bit of him in them.
** Clovis has his Hidden Depths. Both were introduced as one note bad guys, however [[spoiler: over time revelations and insight makes them more than what they appear]]. Clovis has an entire Fridge bit of this above while Charles has [[spoiler: his ultimate agenda]]
** Cornelia has his single minded goal: Unlike most of his children Cornelia doesn't have any grand ideals. She conquers because she believes in Britannia, not for some grand plan of world peace or utopia or revenge. Charles [[spoiler: wants Ragnarok Connection to make the better world. His goals and plans all lead to this in some way or another, from what he wants conquered to what he and V.V work on]].
** Charles and Euphemia share one goal [[spoiler: Peace]]. He just goes for it in a way she wouldn't think of.
** He and Lelouch are both fond of being overdramatic in achieving their own goals. As ''[[CodeGeassMegiddo Megiddo put it]]'', Charles is a[[spoiler: man who's waging a world war just to keep an audience occupied]]
** Charles and Nunnally achieved something that, in series, is notably remarkable involving Geass [[spoiler: Charles was able to control Geass in both his eyes as 'Perfect Geass', while Nunnally was able to break the effect of Charles's geass that locked her eyes away with her own willpower]].
** Charles and Schneizel have a similar view to the Social Darwinism of the Britannian Empire [[spoiler: they don't themselves believe in it, though with Charles it's a cover while Schneizel lacks the ambition the concept generally entails]].
26th Mar '17 1:13:34 PM nombretomado
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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage).

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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage).
2nd Oct '16 2:51:25 PM lavendermintrose
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** There's also the audio drama that shows how Clovis originally decided to take that position. He clearly has no inclination towards war and politics, and no desire to involve himself in it, but in the Britannian royal family, if you're not a soldier, you're trash. Cornelia and Schneizel are incredibly rude to him and he just takes it. Then he tells them that he has accepted the position of viceroy of Area 11, and they're shocked and they don't think he can do it. He tells them he wants to do it to make Lelouch's "final resting place" peaceful for him, for the younger brother who never knew how much Clovis cared for him. Euphemia tells Clovis that Lelouch sent her a letter and mentioned making friends with a boy his age in Japan. Clovis says that he thinks he should be gentle to the Elevens in that case, since Lelouch had a friend among them. Bot Cornelia and Schneizel tell him that he can't let himself be soft, and that a viceroy should be ruthless. So he's a weak-willed person who has essentially been told that his actual skills and talents are worthless, and the only thing he could do that would be worthwhile would be to become a ruthless tyrant. Keep in mind that he is a sheltered Britannian royal who probably has never been exposed to ideas other than what the empire wants everyone to believe. While it's true that everyone has choices in live, and no one ''has'' to order a massacre, it's also true that if every single piece of information a person receives points to one conclusion, it's incredibly unlikely that they would be able to think of an alternative on their own. The ability to think on that level is what sets people like Lelouch and Schneizel apart from the rest of humanity - and Euphie is also a lot closer to it than most people give her credit for. But for the rest of them? If you look at how their information is being manipulated, you realize that they don't need to be condemned, they need sympathy.
30th Sep '16 7:06:31 AM UltimateSpinDash
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* Remember that Rollo's geass stops his heart. Now just what would have happened to him if he ever reached the stage where his geass is stuck in the ON position. Chances are it would not be very pleasant. And what if there are other geasses out there that put similar strain on the user.

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* Remember that Rollo's geass stops his heart. Now just what would have happened to him if he ever reached the stage where his geass is stuck in the ON position. Chances are it would not be very pleasant. And what if there are other geasses out there that put similar strain on the user.user.
** If I remember correctly, V.V. calls Rolo a failed experiment at one point. I always believed that was because the nature of Rolo's Geass, or rather it's flaw, would prevent it from going evolving (assuming that a Geass must go runaway for at least a brief period before it can encompass both eyes).
1st Jul '16 8:36:12 PM Mccainoffensive
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** It could also be argued that this outcome was foreshadowed from the very beginning of the show. In the first OP, after the music ends, we see a chessboard with what is clearly the black king piece laying on its side, the chess sign for surrender/resignation. Since the Zero costume is intended to resemble the black king, it's hard not to at least acknowledge the symbolism.
3rd May '16 4:05:25 PM Willbyr
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*** It ''may'' have worked, but that's assuming that people buy the confession. Most of the people who matter (the UFN/Black Knights leadership) would probably assume Schneizel was being forced to confess through geass, and wouldn't believe it. Especially since Lelouch's former comrades had pretty publicly threw their lot in with Schneizel (not that that particular blunder was their fault, Lelouch did himself no favours at the UFN negotiations). And societies change much faster when they go through a major culture shock as opposed to steady reform. In our world, WWII and the Holocaust opened our eyes to the horrors of eugenics and prejudice when taken to their logical conclusion, and a world without that would never have advanced as quickly as ours did on the social justice front. The Code Geass world never had that, and it would have taken living through a tyrant like Lelouch presented himself as to make Britannians in particular understand what a real dictatorship was. They still had rights and privileges under Charles, not so under Lelouch who made them equal to the numbers in their shared oppression. As such, they were far more open to freedom, democracy and equality after going through that. Attempts at reform via Suzaku's method would have taken entire generations, as real life has taught us in regards to American and European democracies. ''NightmareOfNunnally'' makes a reference to this; [[FixFic Euphie survives to become Empress]] and frees all the Areas with the intent to rebuild both the countries conquered and Britannia's reputation. On the plus side, this is far more realistic than Zero Requiem. On the negative side, the challenges presented are also very realistic, since people still don't trust Britannia and the ending makes it clear that very few of these challenges are easily solvable. Maybe the anime's creators were simply trying to provide an ending that would be accepted for its relative optimism and happiness for the future?

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*** It ''may'' have worked, but that's assuming that people buy the confession. Most of the people who matter (the UFN/Black Knights leadership) would probably assume Schneizel was being forced to confess through geass, and wouldn't believe it. Especially since Lelouch's former comrades had pretty publicly threw their lot in with Schneizel (not that that particular blunder was their fault, Lelouch did himself no favours at the UFN negotiations). And societies change much faster when they go through a major culture shock as opposed to steady reform. In our world, WWII and the Holocaust opened our eyes to the horrors of eugenics and prejudice when taken to their logical conclusion, and a world without that would never have advanced as quickly as ours did on the social justice front. The Code Geass world never had that, and it would have taken living through a tyrant like Lelouch presented himself as to make Britannians in particular understand what a real dictatorship was. They still had rights and privileges under Charles, not so under Lelouch who made them equal to the numbers in their shared oppression. As such, they were far more open to freedom, democracy and equality after going through that. Attempts at reform via Suzaku's method would have taken entire generations, as real life has taught us in regards to American and European democracies. ''NightmareOfNunnally'' ''[[Manga/CodeGeassNightmareOfNunnally Nightmare of Nunnally]]'' makes a reference to this; [[FixFic Euphie survives to become Empress]] and frees all the Areas with the intent to rebuild both the countries conquered and Britannia's reputation. On the plus side, this is far more realistic than Zero Requiem. On the negative side, the challenges presented are also very realistic, since people still don't trust Britannia and the ending makes it clear that very few of these challenges are easily solvable. Maybe the anime's creators were simply trying to provide an ending that would be accepted for its relative optimism and happiness for the future?
27th Apr '16 7:30:36 AM KrspaceT
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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage)

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* Besides Authurian myth, Lelouch also shares many similarities with OdaNobunaga: not the favored son to take over the clan duties, rises up suddenly when he kills the retainer most likely to have succeeded in taking over Japan (at the time), is hated and feared by everyone (including his own retainers)--like Nobunaga, Lelouch is associated with being a demon--and ultimately killed by a trusted underling. This makes Suzaku a CompositeCharacter of Akechi Mitsuhide (the man who kills Nobunaga), Toyotomi Hideyoshi (at least in the eyes of the public, he's a nobody who rises to prominence and unifies Japan), and Tokugawa Ieyasu (the ultimate "winner" of the Sengoku era who spent his childhood as an Oda hostage)hostage).
* Ironically, Jeremiah and the Purebloods were not all that wrong in blaming Suzaku for Clovis's death. Suzaku being shot right in front of Lelouch would have definitely made him angrier than he would have without it, and he definitely unintentionally set up the events to give Lelouch Geass. Then Lelouch got to make his big debut as Zero to rescue Suzaku from them. Without Suzaku, the events at the start of the season could not have happened, at least as quickly.
5th Apr '16 8:56:44 PM GuiRitter
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*** That could certainly be considered foreshadowing for problems to come. Headaches could hardly be considered a devistating blow. And, It isn't surprising that Lelouch would not ask for help. He is a very confident person, after all. In any case, when you really think about it, this little mishap adds more to the story than just a plot ticket.

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*** That could certainly be considered foreshadowing for problems to come. Headaches could hardly be considered a devistating devastating blow. And, It isn't surprising that Lelouch would not ask for help. He is a very confident person, after all. In any case, when you really think about it, this little mishap adds more to the story than just a plot ticket.



** It really seemed like Euphie running up to the microphone was supposed to directly follow Lelouch proclaiming to her "I will now stain your hands with blood, Euphemia li Britannia!" (cue Lelouch's iris turning into the Geass symbol) implying he was initially supposed to just make her commit genocide out of resentment (her being an Imperial Family member and "stealing" from him, like he percieved Cornelia and Schnizel to have done in the past) as well as practicality, and that the creators simply changed their minds and shoehorned in the "it was all an accident!" part in order to build more sympathy for Lelouch, so he wasn't an out-and-out monster, which was quite irksome given that the entire point of Lelouch's character is that sympathy for him comes entirely from his cause rather than any percieved moral infallibility like with other heroes. That would have made the part where the Emperor is laughing manically before cutting to Schnizel's shocked face upon seeing Diethard's broadcast - implying that Lelouch has surpassed Schnizel in Charles eyes (he seems to think very little of Schneizel from that point on) or that since he favours Lelouch's mother over Schnizel's, and now that the former has finally lived up to Marianne's ruthlessness, he's ecstatic - much more poignant. It does come off as a bit of an AssPull.

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** It really seemed like Euphie running up to the microphone was supposed to directly follow Lelouch proclaiming to her "I will now stain your hands with blood, Euphemia li Britannia!" (cue Lelouch's iris turning into the Geass symbol) implying he was initially supposed to just make her commit genocide out of resentment (her being an Imperial Family member and "stealing" from him, like he percieved perceived Cornelia and Schnizel Schneizel to have done in the past) as well as practicality, and that the creators simply changed their minds and shoehorned in the "it was all an accident!" part in order to build more sympathy for Lelouch, so he wasn't an out-and-out monster, which was quite irksome given that the entire point of Lelouch's character is that sympathy for him comes entirely from his cause rather than any percieved perceived moral infallibility like with other heroes. That would have made the part where the Emperor is laughing manically before cutting to Schnizel's Schneizel's shocked face upon seeing Diethard's broadcast - implying that Lelouch has surpassed Schnizel Schneizel in Charles eyes (he seems to think very little of Schneizel from that point on) or that since he favours Lelouch's mother over Schnizel's, Schneizel's, and now that the former has finally lived up to Marianne's ruthlessness, he's ecstatic - much more poignant. It does come off as a bit of an AssPull.
26th Mar '16 2:56:12 AM matteste
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* As, bad as it is to say, it probably is for the best [[spoiler:Euphemia's plans didn't work out]]. With the way Britannia was, it probably would not have lasted. At some point, even if Cornelia wouldn't of, someone would have destroyed the SAZ, or it would quickly become overcrowded with people wanting their rights back. On a less horror general note, and a more singular note, [[BewareTheNiceOnes Euphie was probably the most dangerous person to Lelouch's plans]]. If she had, by some miracle, managed to keep her plan working, rebellion would have fizzled out.

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* As, bad as it is to say, it probably is for the best [[spoiler:Euphemia's plans didn't work out]]. With the way Britannia was, it probably would not have lasted. At some point, even if Cornelia wouldn't of, someone would have destroyed the SAZ, or it would quickly become overcrowded with people wanting their rights back. On a less horror general note, and a more singular note, [[BewareTheNiceOnes Euphie was probably the most dangerous person to Lelouch's plans]]. If she had, by some miracle, managed to keep her plan working, rebellion would have fizzled out.out.
* Remember that Rollo's geass stops his heart. Now just what would have happened to him if he ever reached the stage where his geass is stuck in the ON position. Chances are it would not be very pleasant. And what if there are other geasses out there that put similar strain on the user.
2nd Nov '15 7:40:54 AM FF32
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* I was browsing at the CG wikia and looking at the map of the second part of the series and I saw the Middle Eastern Federation was painted as red and also Indonesia and the Phillipines, so I realized that the Black Rebellion was actually a heavy blow to the Britannian Empire, even if it was a failure, because the Empire lost territory (because, judging by the map before the UFN, it looked like the Empire was practically a VillainSue). With two royals dead and one missing and if the securing of the new areas wasn't going as good as expected because they had to redirect supplies to Japan, the control over those areas was feeble. It could be said that the UFN accepted the governments in exile, but the area corresponding to Persia is not alligned with the UFN, which leads the question of why didn't they join the UFN? Because the Britannian threat wasn't relevant. Then Britannia, after the Black Rebellion, redirected its efforts to the EU (the provider of supplies and technology to guerrillas over the world), conquering most of the ill-defended Africa (UnfortunateImplication for the EU? I am of the opinion that an African colonized by the EU had only a slightly better condition than a Number) while advancing in Europe with Schneizel's strategy of negotiating with states directly (serious, how could they conquer Russia in one year without making an accord?) and [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower Suzaku]], while arranging the purchase of China to not have the problem of mobilizing the entire army to retake the once conquered areas. As for the Toromo Agency in Cambodia, it could be argued that it's just the United States of Cambodia didn't care with their presence and the jungle would be a good cover for the research. Tropers/NotJMKeynes.

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* I was browsing at the CG wikia and looking at the map of the second part of the series and I saw the Middle Eastern Federation was painted as red and also Indonesia and the Phillipines, so I realized that the Black Rebellion was actually a heavy blow to the Britannian Empire, even if it was a failure, because the Empire lost territory (because, judging by the map before the UFN, it looked like the Empire was practically a VillainSue). With two royals dead and one missing and if the securing of the new areas wasn't going as good as expected because they had to redirect supplies to Japan, the control over those areas was feeble. It could be said that the UFN accepted the governments in exile, but the area corresponding to Persia is not alligned with the UFN, which leads the question of why didn't they join the UFN? Because the Britannian threat wasn't relevant. Then Britannia, after the Black Rebellion, redirected its efforts to the EU (the provider of supplies and technology to guerrillas over the world), conquering most of the ill-defended Africa (UnfortunateImplication (UnfortunateImplications for the EU? I am of the opinion that an African colonized by the EU had only a slightly better condition than a Number) while advancing in Europe with Schneizel's strategy of negotiating with states directly (serious, how could they conquer Russia in one year without making an accord?) and [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower Suzaku]], while arranging the purchase of China to not have the problem of mobilizing the entire army to retake the once conquered areas. As for the Toromo Agency in Cambodia, it could be argued that it's just the United States of Cambodia didn't care with their presence and the jungle would be a good cover for the research. Tropers/NotJMKeynes.
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