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10th May '18 9:00:48 AM dmcreif
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* Roland Smith is introduced and dies in the episode "Blue Bell Boy". "Blue Bell Boy" is a nursery rhyme that describes Roland: "He went to the cellar, to draw a little beer / And quickly did return, to say there was none there." Roland is a thief and thinks himself far more capable and important than he actually is. With big dreams of moxy getting ahead, and untrustworthy.
8th May '18 8:21:50 AM dmcreif
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* Gyp Rosetti is in a lot of ways an EvilCounterpart of Chalky (this is noted explicitly in "Two Impostors" wherein Gyp tries to pull NotSoDifferent on Chalky to gain his loyalty). Both come from "poor but honest" backgrounds and have little to nil formal education, and don't like it when people look down on them for these features. They're also both feared and respected by the men they work with, but dominated ([[BondageIsBad literally, in Gyp's case...]]) by strong women at home. However, whereas Chalky ultimately respects education and is only involved in crime to provide a good life/social mobility for his family, Gyp loves being a gangster, and plays out his resentment by sadistically toying with other people.

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* Gyp Rosetti is in a lot of ways an EvilCounterpart of Chalky (this is noted explicitly in "Two Impostors" wherein Gyp tries to pull NotSoDifferent on Chalky to gain his loyalty). Both come from "poor but honest" backgrounds and have little to nil formal education, and don't like it when people look down on them for these features. They're also both feared and respected by the men they work with, but dominated ([[BondageIsBad literally, in Gyp's case...]]) by strong women at home. However, whereas Chalky ultimately respects education and is only involved in crime to provide a good life/social mobility for his family, family and the employees of his organization, Gyp loves being a gangster, and plays out his resentment by sadistically toying with other people.



* The assassins sent to kill Salvatore Maranzano do so by stabbing him repeatedly. Once he falls to the floor, Eli finishes him off by shooting him in the head. It's actually quite fitting that they stabbed him as opposed to just shoot him: Marazano was always preaching about running his organization using old-style Roman methods. And during one his conversations with Nucky, there was mention of Julius Caesar's assassination. It is thus a deliberate irony that an admirer of Caesar went out in an identical fashion - betrayed and stabbed to death by his own partners.

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* The team of assassins sent to kill Salvatore Maranzano do so by stabbing him repeatedly. Once he falls to the floor, Eli finishes him off by shooting him in the head. It's actually quite fitting that they stabbed him as opposed to just shoot all those times first before shooting him: Marazano was always preaching about running his organization using old-style Roman methods. And during one his conversations with Nucky, there was mention of Julius Caesar's assassination. It is thus a deliberate irony that an admirer of Caesar went out in an identical fashion - betrayed and stabbed to death by his own partners.



** A side one for Mafia history buffs: All three of O'Banion's killers were killed within six years of the hit. Frankie Yale was killed in a drive-by shooting in New York City on July 1, 1928, while the two guys depicted as actually doing the shooting, John Scalise and Albert Anselmi, were found beaten and shot to death on a lonely road near Hammond, Indiana on May 8, 1929. Hitmen like them had a very short lifespan.

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** A side one for Mafia history buffs: All three of O'Banion's killers were killed within six years of the hit. Frankie Yale was killed in a drive-by shooting in New York City on July 1, 1928, while the two guys depicted as actually doing the shooting, John Scalise and Albert Anselmi, were found beaten and shot to death on a lonely road near Hammond, Indiana on May 8, 1929. Hitmen like them had a very short lifespan.shelf life.
28th Mar '18 12:21:36 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* Many people misinterpret the scene where Nucky kills the thief Roland Smith. What they tend not to realize is that Nucky killed Roland because Roland was bullshitting him. Nucky saw he had potential, but also knew he was being lied to. Nucky was testing Roland the whole time. When it was revealed Roland lied about not smoking and lied about his age, Nucky knew he was lying about the services he'd offer Nucky as his worker. He knew that Roland would betray him at the first opportunity, and Nucky wasn't ready to deal with another Jimmy-type. Likewise, Nucky knew Owen was hiding something (sleeping with Margaret), but he didn't know exactly what it was at the time. He'd asked Owen in the basement why he was sticking around, and neither of the answers that Owen gave to Nucky satisfied him. So killing Roland was as much about preemptively eliminating a potential liability as it was to send Owen a message: "don't lie to me, or next time, it will be you with a bullet in your head."

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* Many people misinterpret the scene where Nucky kills the thief Roland Smith. What they tend not to realize is that Nucky killed Roland because Roland was bullshitting him. Nucky saw he had potential, but also knew he was being lied to. Nucky was testing Roland the whole time. When it was revealed Roland lied about not smoking and lied about his age, Nucky knew he was lying about the services he'd offer Nucky as his worker. He knew that Roland would betray him at the first opportunity, and Nucky wasn't ready to deal with another Jimmy-type. Likewise, Nucky knew Owen was hiding something (sleeping with Margaret), but he didn't know exactly what it was at the time. He'd asked Owen in the basement why he was sticking around, and neither of the answers that Owen gave to Nucky satisfied him. So killing Roland was as much about preemptively eliminating a potential liability as it was to send Owen a message: "don't lie to me, or next time, it will be you with a bullet in your head."
28th Mar '18 12:20:00 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* Frustrating as it is to see our favorite characters killed off, it makes sense; only the historical characters can survive long enough to make a name for themselves. This series is essentially about the gangsters who didn't make it, who vanished from history's memory.
3rd Dec '16 5:12:59 PM dmcreif
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* Many people misinterpret the scene where Nucky kills the thief Roland Smith. What they tend not to realize is that Nucky killed Roland because Roland was bullshitting him. Nucky saw he had potential, but also knew he was being lied to. Nucky was testing Roland the whole time. When it was revealed Roland lied about not smoking and lied about his age, Nucky knew he was lying about the services he'd offer Nucky as his worker. He knew that Roland would betray him at the first opportunity, and Nucky wasn't ready to deal with another Jimmy-type. Likewise, Nucky knew Owen was hiding something (sleeping with Margaret), but he didn't know exactly what it was at the time. He'd asked Owen in the basement why he was sticking around, and neither of the answers that Owen gave to Nucky satisfied him. So killing Roland was as much about preemptively eliminating a potential liability as it was to send Owen a message: "don't lie to me, or next time, it will be you with a bullet in your head."
5th Nov '16 12:10:31 PM dmcreif
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* When [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAI3iAuxDY Masseria confronts Gyp]] in "Margate Sands", he's unimpressed by Rosetti's actions. At the end of the conversation, Masseria adjusts the clock, then says to Gyp, "''Now'' you know what time it is." Adjusting the clock allows Masseria to convey a few things:
**First, it's his way of telling Gyp that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
**Second, he's conveying that Gyp is on borrowed time now, and it won't be long before Masseria pulls his men and abandons Gyp, which is what happens later in the episode when Masseria makes the deal with Rothstein.
**Third, by adjusting the clock, Masseria is reminding Gyp just who ''really'' is in charge. Gyp's crew may have taken over Atlantic City, but even then, he's still one of Masseria's capos and not his own, independent entity like Nucky was.
4th Nov '16 3:03:18 PM dmcreif
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** The assassins who kill O'Banion are John Scalise and Albert Anselmi. Just five years later, on May 8, 1929, these two men were found beaten and shot to death on a lonely road near Hammond, Indiana. Hitmen like them had a very short lifespan.

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** The assassins who kill O'Banion are **A side one for Mafia history buffs: All three of O'Banion's killers were killed within six years of the hit. Frankie Yale was killed in a drive-by shooting in New York City on July 1, 1928, while the two guys depicted as actually doing the shooting, John Scalise and Albert Anselmi. Just five years later, on May 8, 1929, these two men Anselmi, were found beaten and shot to death on a lonely road near Hammond, Indiana.Indiana on May 8, 1929. Hitmen like them had a very short lifespan.
2nd Nov '16 10:08:31 AM dmcreif
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* Richard is from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1924_(United_States)#Wisconsin_Progressives Wisconsin]], a state with a long history of local liberalism. It shouldn't be a surprise then that he knows the difference between a socialist and a communist, even though he himself has not much interest in politics.
* Gyp is in a lot of ways an EvilCounterpart of Chalky (this is noted explicitly in "Two Impostors" wherein Gyp tries to pull NotSoDifferent on Chalky to gain his loyalty). Both come from "poor but honest" backgrounds and have little to nil formal education, and don't like it when people look down on them for these features. They're also both feared and respected by the men they work with, but dominated ([[BondageIsBad literally, in Gyp's case...]]) by strong women at home. However, whereas Chalky ultimately respects education and is only involved in crime to provide a good life/social mobility for his family, Gyp loves being a gangster, and plays out his resentment by sadistically toying with other people.

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* Richard Harrow is from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1924_(United_States)#Wisconsin_Progressives Wisconsin]], a state with a long history of local liberalism. It shouldn't be a surprise then that he knows the difference between a socialist and a communist, even though he himself has not much interest in politics.
* Gyp Rosetti is in a lot of ways an EvilCounterpart of Chalky (this is noted explicitly in "Two Impostors" wherein Gyp tries to pull NotSoDifferent on Chalky to gain his loyalty). Both come from "poor but honest" backgrounds and have little to nil formal education, and don't like it when people look down on them for these features. They're also both feared and respected by the men they work with, but dominated ([[BondageIsBad literally, in Gyp's case...]]) by strong women at home. However, whereas Chalky ultimately respects education and is only involved in crime to provide a good life/social mobility for his family, Gyp loves being a gangster, and plays out his resentment by sadistically toying with other people.
30th Oct '16 10:53:59 AM dmcreif
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* Richard comparing himself to the Tin Woodsman works more than one level. Like the Tin Woodsman, he has a prosthetic. But furthermore, the Woodsman claimed that now that he has no heart, he doesn't feel emotions. Richard similarly claims to be emotionless after his injury; he says he felt nothing towards his sister anymore, and that people cannot be really connected to each other. But the Woodsman wasn't really without emotion; he was actually the kindest character in the book. Richard too finds his humanity again during the series.

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* Richard comparing Harrow compares himself to the Tin Woodsman works more than one level. Like the Tin Woodsman, he has a prosthetic. But furthermore, the Woodsman claimed that now that he has no heart, he doesn't feel emotions. Richard similarly claims to be emotionless after his injury; he says he felt nothing towards his sister anymore, and that people cannot be really connected to each other. But the Woodsman wasn't really without emotion; he was actually the kindest character in the book. Richard too finds his humanity again during the series.




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*The assassins sent to kill Salvatore Maranzano do so by stabbing him repeatedly. Once he falls to the floor, Eli finishes him off by shooting him in the head. It's actually quite fitting that they stabbed him as opposed to just shoot him: Marazano was always preaching about running his organization using old-style Roman methods. And during one his conversations with Nucky, there was mention of Julius Caesar's assassination. It is thus a deliberate irony that an admirer of Caesar went out in an identical fashion - betrayed and stabbed to death by his own partners.



* Two things from Dean O'Banion's murder are noticeable in hindsight and they're somewhat disturbing:
** When Frankie Yale walks in, he says, "What do you got that says 'you're sorry, and won't ever do it again'?" Yale is talking about murdering O'Banion here. To O'Banion himself. And it means two things: for one, Yale is a ProfessionalKiller who has no personal beef with O'Banion, and won't ever do it again because he can't murder the same person twice. Two, in real life, O'Banion was killed after overstepping his bounds, pissing off the wrong people and alienating too many of his friends/allies. So Yale's basically mocking O'Banion's own situation and saying that no apologies are going to get O'Banion out of it, all without O'Banion realizing it.
** Chrysanthemums would mean [[ValuesDissonance something completely different]] to O'Banion and Yale. To Illinois native O'Banion, chrysanthemums are cheerful flowers, so he offers them for Yale's wife. To someone born in southern Europe[[note]]Longobucco, Italy to be specific, in Yale's case[[/note]], like Yale, chrysanthemums mean ''death''. Fittingly, Yale deposits a chrysanthemum [[DueToTheDead over O'Banion's body]] after killing him.

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* Two A few things from happen during Dean O'Banion's murder that are not noticeable in hindsight and they're somewhat disturbing:
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** When Frankie Yale walks in, he says, "What do you got that says 'you're sorry, and won't ever do it again'?" Yale is talking about murdering O'Banion here. To O'Banion himself. And it means two things: for things:
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one, Yale is a ProfessionalKiller who has no personal beef with O'Banion, and won't ever do it again because he can't murder the same person twice. Two, twice.
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in real life, O'Banion was killed after overstepping his bounds, for basically pissing off the wrong people and alienating too many of his friends/allies. friends and allies, ranging from stealing liquor from other bootleggers, to hijacking their trucks while en route, trying to frame Torrio and Capone for a murder, or simply "trolling" the Outfit-affiliated Genna brothers [[ForTheEvulz for no apparent practical reason]]. And the final straw was when, a week before his murder, O'Banion conned Angelo Genna out of a large sum of money. So Yale's Yale is basically mocking O'Banion's own situation and saying that no apologies are going to get O'Banion out of it, won't save O'Banion's life this time, all without O'Banion realizing it.
** Chrysanthemums would mean [[ValuesDissonance something completely different]] to O'Banion and Yale. To Illinois native O'Banion, chrysanthemums are cheerful flowers, so he offers them for Yale's wife. To someone born in southern Europe[[note]]Longobucco, Italy to be specific, in Yale's case[[/note]], like Yale, chrysanthemums mean ''death''. Fittingly, And that's why Yale deposits a chrysanthemum [[DueToTheDead over O'Banion's body]] after killing him.him.
**The assassins who kill O'Banion are John Scalise and Albert Anselmi. Just five years later, on May 8, 1929, these two men were found beaten and shot to death on a lonely road near Hammond, Indiana. Hitmen like them had a very short lifespan.



* For Mafia history buffs, the fictionalized versions of real gangsters can invoke this, when one recalls specific crimes some of them were known for.
** The comical scene where Bugsy Siegel sings "My Girl's Pussy" in "Friendless Child" takes a very dark tone when you realize that by this point (1930), Bugsy Siegel has committed at least one rape (as of 1926).

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* For Mafia history buffs, the fictionalized versions of real gangsters can invoke this, when one recalls specific crimes some of them were known for. \n** The For example, the comical scene where Bugsy Siegel sings "My Girl's Pussy" in "Friendless Child" takes a very dark tone when you realize that by this point (1930), Bugsy Siegel has committed at least one rape (as of 1926).
16th Sep '16 10:22:23 AM dmcreif
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* "What do you have for something you are sorry, and won't do it again?" - Frankie Yale is talking about murdering O'Banion here. To O'Banion himself. It's true: Yale is a ProfessionalKiller who has no personal beef with O'Banion, and won't do it again because he can't murder the same person twice. Also, in real life O'Banion was killed after overstepping his bounds, pissing off the wrong people and alienating too many of his friends/allies. So Yale's bit of teasing has a double meaning, and he's basically mocking O'Banion's own situation and saying how no apologies are going to get O'Banion out of it, all without O'Banion realizing it.
* Chrysanthemums would mean [[ValuesDissonance something completely different]] to O'Banion and Yale. To American-born O'Banion, chrysanthemums are cheerful flowers, so he offers them for Yale's wife. To someone born in southern Europe, like Yale, chrysanthemums mean ''death''. Fittingly, Yale deposits a chrysanthemum [[DueToTheDead over Dean's body]] after killing him.

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* Two things from Dean O'Banion's murder are noticeable in hindsight and they're somewhat disturbing:
**When Frankie Yale walks in, he says,
"What do you have for something you are got that says 'you're sorry, and won't ever do it again?" - Frankie again'?" Yale is talking about murdering O'Banion here. To O'Banion himself. It's true: And it means two things: for one, Yale is a ProfessionalKiller who has no personal beef with O'Banion, and won't ever do it again because he can't murder the same person twice. Also, Two, in real life life, O'Banion was killed after overstepping his bounds, pissing off the wrong people and alienating too many of his friends/allies. So Yale's bit of teasing has a double meaning, and he's basically mocking O'Banion's own situation and saying how that no apologies are going to get O'Banion out of it, all without O'Banion realizing it.
* Chrysanthemums **Chrysanthemums would mean [[ValuesDissonance something completely different]] to O'Banion and Yale. To American-born Illinois native O'Banion, chrysanthemums are cheerful flowers, so he offers them for Yale's wife. To someone born in southern Europe, Europe[[note]]Longobucco, Italy to be specific, in Yale's case[[/note]], like Yale, chrysanthemums mean ''death''. Fittingly, Yale deposits a chrysanthemum [[DueToTheDead over Dean's O'Banion's body]] after killing him.



** The comical scene where Benny Siegel sings "My Girl's Pussy" in "Friendless Child" takes a very dark tone when you realize that by this point (1930), Bugsy Siegel has committed at least one rape (as of 1926).

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** The comical scene where Benny Bugsy Siegel sings "My Girl's Pussy" in "Friendless Child" takes a very dark tone when you realize that by this point (1930), Bugsy Siegel has committed at least one rape (as of 1926).
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