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25th Aug '16 10:15:28 AM Ggb81
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** By the time she got into the city, Aang and Sokka had left. Inside, she developed the plan both to capture the Ba Sing Se and kill the avatar. And the Kyoshi Warriors didn't know about the invasion, but they did know the group was headed to Ba Sing Se.
25th Aug '16 7:51:04 AM MrDeath
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* Azula tortured Suki. After Azula captures the Kyoshi warriors, she takes their clothes and goes to Ba Sing Se where Team Avatar is planning the invasion. But how did Azula know that the group was in Ba Sing Se? If you think she found out during "The Drill", remember that her primary goal at that point was to capture the avatar, and unless she knew he was in Ba Sing Se, she had no reason to check on the drill. She was obviously coming to a dead end since she had to revert back to looking for Appa, and even this failed since he and Aang had been separated. When she found out the Kyoshi warriors knew Aang, she had a source of information. It's not like the Kyoshi warriors would have just given Aang up though. They were tortured, AND it was bad enough that someone folded. Suki wasn't necessarily the one who gave in, but she was definitely tortured by Azula as evidenced by the "favorite prisoner" line in "The Day of Black Sun". Since Azula is a psychopath and sadist, she likely did it herself [[TortureForFunAndInformation just for fun.]]

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* Azula tortured Suki. After Azula captures the Kyoshi warriors, she takes their clothes and goes to Ba Sing Se where Team Avatar is planning the invasion. But how did Azula know that the group was in Ba Sing Se? If you think she found finds out during "The Drill", remember that her primary goal at that this point was is to capture the avatar, and unless she knew he was knows he's in Ba Sing Se, she had has no reason to check on the drill. She was She's obviously coming to a dead end since she she's had to revert back to looking for Appa, and even this failed fails since he and Aang had have been separated. When she found finds out the Kyoshi warriors knew know Aang, she had has a source of information. It's not like the Kyoshi warriors would have just given Aang up though. They were tortured, AND it was bad enough that someone folded. Suki wasn't necessarily the one who gave in, but she was definitely tortured by Azula as evidenced by the "favorite prisoner" line in "The Day of Black Sun". Since Azula is a psychopath and sadist, she likely did it herself [[TortureForFunAndInformation just for fun.]]




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** Azula wasn't in Ba Sing Se looking for the Avatar; if she was, she could have easily found him since he kept putting out fliers with his name and address on them. And did the Kyoshi Warriors even know that Aang was planning an invasion?
24th Aug '16 8:13:06 PM korben600
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* The firebender attack on the northern water tribe is very reminiscent of the Spanish Armada in themes, attacking a geographically small area with a truly excessive number of ships which are pretty well defended by hit and run attacks by the numerically smaller, but more powerful individually enemies. What really clinches the comparison though, is the fact that [[spoiler: in real life the only thing that actually damages the fleet enough to leave is a storm that decimates their ships, in the show it's a ocean spirit, but saying the spirit of the ocean wrecked your vessels is pretty much saying "we got beat by a storm"]]
** Also, another thing to consider, Zhao may have been one of the only ones to actually know of his plan to kill the moon spirit, because Iroh expressed disbelief at the idea of killing what amounts to a god, and other soldiers may object to it like he did, Zhao probably kept his plan to himself to keep unity. By the way, consider another, unrelated question, why did the Fire Nation never invade the Northern Water tribe again? Clearly they had the numbers to keep invading, there were dozens of ships left, but the rest of the series focuses on the Fire Nation's earth kingdom campaign. The reason is that because Zhao died, nobody had any clue what his original plan was for beating the Northern Water tribe. From their perspective, they were on the verge of winning, and the moon went out and the ocean killed a quarter of their fleet. The Fire Nation likely assumed it was a defense mechanism and never tried to attack again because they believed as soon as they were close to winning they would get hammered again. Even if they knew that this was likely a once in a lifetime occurrence (and sidenote, the firebender on the front lines were the ones most likely to have been told the plan, in case they got to the temple before Zhao, and the episode makes it very clear every one of them was taken out) they couldn't risk losing that many ships (or airships, the monster would bat them out of the sky) again (remember, the only reason the monster stopped was because the moon came back, had the moon stayed dead, there is no telling how long the monster would've raged for. So, what does the fire nation do? Ignore the event like it never happened, and devote all of it's resources to conquering the earth kingdom, which looks like a far more appealing target.
** Another sidenote, another reason the Fire Kingdom never attacked the Water Tribes again is that they didn't have any reason to. The Northern Water tribe is built on the ice cap, there are no natural resources worth taking (unlike the Earth Kingdom, which has iron, agriculture etc.) and the main reason they attacked it at all was because Zhao wanted to kill the moon spirit (which turns out to be a stupid idea). Basically it's the level of effort of fight an unstoppable juggernaut vs the reward of...fish?(btw, even without the Water Kaiju, the city is made of ice and snow, uncaptured waterbenders could disappear into walls and floors. The Fire Nation has enough problems with holding the Earth Kingdom, good luck trying to hold the Northern Water Tribe, let alone conquer it.) And the extremely difficult task of killing or extremely expensive task of imprisoning waterbenders from the battle(the bloodbender episode proves that it is really hard to hold waterbenders alive as water is everywhere, so they have to dry out every inch of the prison, which takes time, effort, and money the Fire Nation doesn't care to waste).
24th Aug '16 10:21:13 AM Ggb81
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* Azula tortured Suki. After Azula captures the Kyoshi warriors, she takes their clothes and goes to Ba Sing Se where Team Avatar is planning the invasion. But how did Azula know that the group was in Ba Sing Se? If you think she finds out during "The Drill", remember that her primary goal at this point is to capture the avatar, and unless she knows he's in Ba Sing Se, she has no reason to check on the drill. She's obviously coming to a dead end since she's had to revert back to looking for Appa, and even this fails since he and Aang have been separated. When she finds out the Kyoshi warriors know Aang, she has a source of information. It's not like the Kyoshi warriors would have just given Aang up though. They were tortured, AND it was bad enough that someone folded. Suki wasn't necessarily the one who gave in, but she was definitely tortured by Azula as evidenced by the "favorite prisoner" line in "The Day of Black Sun". Since Azula is a psychopath and sadist, she likely did it herself [[TortureForFunAndInformation just for fun.]]

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* Azula tortured Suki. After Azula captures the Kyoshi warriors, she takes their clothes and goes to Ba Sing Se where Team Avatar is planning the invasion. But how did Azula know that the group was in Ba Sing Se? If you think she finds found out during "The Drill", remember that her primary goal at this that point is was to capture the avatar, and unless she knows he's knew he was in Ba Sing Se, she has had no reason to check on the drill. She's She was obviously coming to a dead end since she's she had to revert back to looking for Appa, and even this fails failed since he and Aang have had been separated. When she finds found out the Kyoshi warriors know knew Aang, she has had a source of information. It's not like the Kyoshi warriors would have just given Aang up though. They were tortured, AND it was bad enough that someone folded. Suki wasn't necessarily the one who gave in, but she was definitely tortured by Azula as evidenced by the "favorite prisoner" line in "The Day of Black Sun". Since Azula is a psychopath and sadist, she likely did it herself [[TortureForFunAndInformation just for fun.]]
24th Aug '16 10:18:46 AM Ggb81
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* Azula tortured Suki. After Azula captures the Kyoshi warriors, she takes their clothes and goes to Ba Sing Se where Team Avatar is planning the invasion. But how did Azula know that the group was in Ba Sing Se? If you think she finds out during "The Drill", remember that her primary goal at this point is to capture the avatar, and unless she knows he's in Ba Sing Se, she has no reason to check on the drill. She's obviously coming to a dead end since she's had to revert back to looking for Appa, and even this fails since he and Aang have been separated. When she finds out the Kyoshi warriors know Aang, she has a source of information. It's not like the Kyoshi warriors would have just given Aang up though. They were tortured, AND it was bad enough that someone folded. Suki wasn't necessarily the one who gave in, but she was definitely tortured by Azula as evidenced by the "favorite prisoner" line in "The Day of Black Sun". Since Azula is a psychopath and sadist, she likely did it herself [[TortureForFunAndInformation just for fun.]]
**She probably used ElectricTorture.
**Mai and Ty Lee were around when all of this was happening. How much they were involved is up to the viewer, but they definitely would have at least known was going on. So if they weren't afraid of Azula already...
11th Aug '16 7:27:59 AM MrDeath
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* The cycle of the Avatars come from the following benders, Water, Earth, Fire and Air. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Knowing that Aang is the last Airbender]], who will be the Avatar after the next Firebender Avatar?
10th Aug '16 4:00:41 PM MattBoo
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* The cycle of the Avatars come from the following benders, Water, Earth, Fire and Air. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Knowing that Aang is the last Airbender]], who will be the Avatar after the next Firebender Avatar?
30th Jul '16 2:20:23 AM rufusluciusivan
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* Hama's flashback shows that she wasn't the only Waterbender captured and imprisoned. Yet, when she escapes, she's alone. Given her personality and her obsession with keeping the Southern Water Tribe's culture alive, we can assume that she would have broken them out of prison too if she could. So, given the fact that the prison has been described as hellish, it's probable that by the time Hama escaped, she was the only prisoner still alive. It really puts her StartOfDarkness into another perspective. Not only was she imprisoned and mistreated, she may even has to watch her friends die.

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* Hama's flashback shows that she wasn't the only Waterbender captured and imprisoned. Yet, when she escapes, she's alone. Given her personality and her obsession with keeping the Southern Water Tribe's culture alive, we can assume that she would have broken them out of prison too if she could. So, given the fact that the prison has been described as hellish, it's probable that by the time Hama escaped, she was the only prisoner still alive. It really puts her StartOfDarkness into another perspective. Not only was she imprisoned and mistreated, she may even has had to watch her friends die.
30th Jul '16 2:19:22 AM rufusluciusivan
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* Hama's flashback shows that she wasn't the only Waterbender captured and imprisoned. Yet, when she escapes, she's alone. Given her personality and her obsession with keeping the Southern Water Tribe's culture alive, we can assume that she would have broken them out of prison too if she could. So, given the fact that the prison has been described as hellish, it's probable that by the time Hama escaped, she was the only prisoner still alive. It really puts her StartInDarkness into another perspective. Not only was she imprisoned and mistreated, she may even has to watch her friends die.

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* Hama's flashback shows that she wasn't the only Waterbender captured and imprisoned. Yet, when she escapes, she's alone. Given her personality and her obsession with keeping the Southern Water Tribe's culture alive, we can assume that she would have broken them out of prison too if she could. So, given the fact that the prison has been described as hellish, it's probable that by the time Hama escaped, she was the only prisoner still alive. It really puts her StartInDarkness StartOfDarkness into another perspective. Not only was she imprisoned and mistreated, she may even has to watch her friends die.
30th Jul '16 2:18:11 AM rufusluciusivan
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* Hama's flashback shows that she wasn't the only Waterbender captured and imprisoned. Yet, when she escapes, she's alone. Given her personality and her obsession with keeping the Southern Water Tribe's culture alive, we can assume that she would have broken them out of prison too if she could. So, given the fact that the prison has been described as hellish, it's probable that by the time Hama escaped, she was the only prisoner still alive. It really puts her StartInDarkness into another perspective. Not only was she imprisoned and mistreated, she may even has to watch her friends die.
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