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1st May '16 10:12:29 PM HiddenWindshield
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** Each of the four classic elements were associated with a particular season: water with winter, earth with spring, fire with summer, and air with autumn. Each "Book" of ATLA occurred during the corresponding season: The winter solstice (the middle of winter) occurred in the middle of book 1 (water); Roku said the comet would come at the end of summer, and the comet came at the end of book 3 (Fire).
29th Apr '16 4:18:53 PM nombretomado
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* Somewhere up-page, someone made a joke about ''CaptainPlanet'', but let's run with that for a second:

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* Somewhere up-page, someone made a joke about ''CaptainPlanet'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet|and the Planeteers}}'', but let's run with that for a second:
11th Mar '16 8:11:13 AM Ifreann
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** Iroh describes air as the element of freedom. What does Aang do when he first firebends? Allows it too much freedom.
23rd Feb '16 2:33:12 PM EDP
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* Guru Pathik implies that some had already performed Metalbending in the past, but why was that skill lost? They couldn't figure how to teach it. ''That'' is Toph's greatest achievement: she managed to teach it to less awesome benders.
20th Feb '16 10:56:16 PM akanesarumara
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* If there was any person in the world who was capable of inventing Metalbending, previously thought impossible, it was Toph, who has used seismic sense basically all her life. No other Earthbender would have gained a look as thorough at metal as her and notices the tiny impurities of Earth left in it, ready to be abused.
20th Feb '16 9:10:26 AM HakkyounoTenshi
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** Legend of Korra implies that Zuko became Aang's best (human) friend.
13th Feb '16 1:09:40 PM ShorinBJ
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* At first Fire nation's abduction of Benders from other nations seems simply like a systematized way of [[KickTheDog Kicking The Dog]] and showing was bastards they were. Once one comes to understand how the Avatar's cycle of reincarnation works in the series that it suddenly made complete sense: the {{Evil Overlord}}s are trying to effectively contain a threat to their schemes ''before it is even born''!

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* At first Fire nation's abduction of Benders from other nations seems simply like a systematized way of [[KickTheDog Kicking The Dog]] and showing was what bastards they were. Once one comes to understand how the Avatar's cycle of reincarnation works in the series that it suddenly made complete sense: the {{Evil Overlord}}s are trying to effectively contain a threat to their schemes ''before it is even born''!



* It's interesting what was planned for Azula's character and what wasn't. In the very beginning of season 2 she seems like a 'older sister' archetype (even though she's younger). The perfect, older sibling who wins all of daddy's approval, the one thing Zuko ever wanted. It's great how much they developed her, from being the epitome of everything Zuko needed, to her own, flawed character. She and Ozai both have an obsession with control and perfection. When she unhinges, we see her going into a more 'animalistic' instinctive nature. Killing a "weak" sibling (we always knew Azula was fine with Zuko dying, even early in season 3, something she might even actively pursue herself) and displaying more of her real nature. They really play with the idea of her being a sociopath throughout the series. Zuko couldn't beat her in her normal state. Anything else than the breakdown would have been undermining her character, if Zuko had just merely defeated her, it wouldn't have been enough. If she'd 'reformed' or been humiliated, it wouldn't have been enough. She had to die or 'break down' until she couldn't be her former self. Because any other Zeus Ex Machina or decision wouldn't have been a fair treatment of her character.
* Referencing Azula's VillainousBreakdown, her first appearance where she does some crazy firebending and then is all perfectionisty upset about her hair? Definitely foreshadows the hair-chopping AxCrazy in the finale. Also, her line when Li and Lo tell her about it: "Almost perfect isn't good enough!" Azula has spent her life being perfect. Her fire bending is perfect (nobody else bends blue flames like she does, and she can do lightning), she is a perfect leader, and perfectly executes her coup. When her record becomes "almost perfect" with Ty Lee and Mai's betrayal, she loses it, and she has a terrible success record through the rest of the show (fails to kill Zuko, her reign as Fire Lord is a disaster, she loses to Katara, she ends up in an insane asylum). When she's not perfect, she's ... nothing. Without the veneer of perfection that she maintained through most of the show, she's just an abused kid who missed out on what she really wanted (her mother's love), and no more. She isn't the fire bender prodigy who never lost a match (loses to both Zuko and Katara), she isn't the amazing leader who conquered Ba Sing Se in 2 days due to force of personality (she's over-paranoid and not quite in touch with reality during her reign as Fire Lord), and she isn't even the girl who had perfect control over her life (Mai and Ty Lee betray her). That one line foreshadowed, long before Azula lost it, that she had to be perfect or nothing. She didn't have any middle ground.
* Azula was born lucky, and Zuko was lucky to be born. Such a true line, but not in the way one would think. While Ozai meant it as a put-down for Zuko, the reality is that this is Zuko's greatest strength and Azula's greatest weakness. Yes, life is constantly kicking Zuko to the curb and spitting on him for good measure, but as a result of his suffering he has learned how to deal with failure: he picks himself up and keeps on going, no matter how many times he has to do so. Being TheDeterminator is practically his defining character trait. Azula, on the other hand, was too used to things simply going her way: she's a prodigy, she was constantly outperforming her brother, earning the praise of her father and the whole Fire Nation, and just generally kicking ass. But as soon as things went wrong for her - not just a little wrong, but hugely, disastrously wrong, like losing her only friends and getting KickedUpstairs by the very father who "favors" her - she has no idea how to deal with it emotionally, and she completely falls apart. In the end, it's Zuko's fortitude and Azula's lack thereof are what put Zuko on the throne and left Azula a broken, sobbing wreck.

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* It's interesting what was planned for Azula's character and what wasn't. In the very beginning of season 2 she seems like a 'older sister' archetype (even though she's younger). The perfect, older sibling who wins all of daddy's Daddy's approval, the one thing Zuko ever wanted. It's great how much they developed her, from being the epitome of everything Zuko needed, to her own, flawed character. She and Ozai both have an obsession with control and perfection. When she unhinges, we see her going into a more 'animalistic' instinctive nature. Killing a "weak" sibling (we always knew Azula was fine with Zuko dying, even early in season 3, something she might even actively pursue herself) and displaying more of her real nature. They really play with the idea of her being a sociopath throughout the series. Zuko couldn't beat her in her normal state. Anything else than the breakdown would have been undermining her character, if Zuko had just merely defeated her, it wouldn't have been enough. If she'd 'reformed' or been humiliated, it wouldn't have been enough. She had to die or 'break down' until she couldn't be her former self. Because any other Zeus Ex Machina DeusExMachina or decision wouldn't have been a fair treatment of her character.
* Referencing Azula's VillainousBreakdown, her first full appearance where she does some crazy firebending and then is all perfectionisty upset about her hair? Definitely foreshadows the hair-chopping AxCrazy in the finale. Also, her line when Li and Lo tell her about it: "Almost perfect isn't good enough!" Azula has spent her life being perfect. Her fire bending firebending is perfect (nobody else bends blue flames like she does, and she can do lightning), she is a perfect leader, and perfectly executes her coup. When her record becomes "almost perfect" with Ty Lee and Mai's betrayal, she loses it, and she has a terrible success record through the rest of the show (fails to kill Zuko, her reign as Fire Lord is a disaster, she loses to Katara, she ends up in an insane asylum). When she's not perfect, she's ... she's...nothing. Without the veneer of perfection that she maintained through most of the show, she's just an abused kid who missed out on what she really wanted (her mother's love), and no more. She isn't the fire bender firebender prodigy who never lost a match (loses to both Zuko and Katara), she isn't the amazing leader who conquered Ba Sing Se in 2 days due to force of personality (she's over-paranoid and not quite in touch with reality during her reign as Fire Lord), and she isn't even the girl who had perfect control over her life (Mai and Ty Lee betray her). That one line foreshadowed, long before Azula lost it, that she had to be perfect or nothing. She didn't have any middle ground.
* Azula was born lucky, and Zuko was lucky to be born. Such a true line, but not in the way one would think. While Ozai meant it as a put-down putdown for Zuko, the reality is that this is Zuko's greatest strength and Azula's greatest weakness. Yes, life is constantly kicking Zuko to the curb and spitting on him for good measure, but as a result of his suffering he has learned how to deal with failure: he picks himself up and keeps on going, no matter how many times he has to do so. Being TheDeterminator is practically his defining character trait. Azula, on the other hand, was too used to things simply going her way: she's a prodigy, she was constantly outperforming her brother, earning the praise of her father and the whole Fire Nation, and just generally kicking ass. But as soon as things went wrong for her - not just a little wrong, but hugely, disastrously wrong, like losing her only friends and getting KickedUpstairs by the very father who "favors" her - she has no idea how to deal with it emotionally, and she completely falls apart. In the end, it's Zuko's fortitude and Azula's lack thereof are what put Zuko on the throne and left Azula a broken, sobbing wreck.



* It seems a little weird to me that Zuko just went on quests with everyone is such an alsmost formulaic way (it's even lampshaded by Toph.) But it actually makes perfect sense that Zuko accompany everyone on quests that played huge parts in building up to the climaxes of their respective character arcs, because his arc was the first to be resolved! When you think about it, Zuko's arc is pretty much done in Day of the Black Sun when he has his epic CallingTheOldManOut moment and goes to join Aang. Not that important things don't happen to him post-DOTBS, but his main character development from Point A to Point B was pretty much concluded. Even more important when you remember that Zuko spent years (including most of the show) traveling with a StaticCharacter CoolOldGuy who played the exact same role in his life - helping him along with his character development because Iroh's own had already been done!
* Why was firebending so dangerous for Aang? Precisely because he started as an airbender, and air enhances fire! So firebending would ''seem'' easy for him at the start, making it even more likely for him to get himself into trouble with it. However, the opposite was not true for Ruko, as he learned airbending first after firebending, and found it easy. And that is probably because mastering firebending requires mastery of ''controlling breath'', and breath is air. In a similar vein, Aang found waterbending easy, probably because since gases and liquids are both fluids, many techniques he mastered for controlling air probably applied with only minimal modification to controlling water. The order Jeong Jeong wanted Aang to master the elements (air then water then earth then fire) directly mirrors the Avatar cycle itself, and the pattern is a general one for all Avatars (the element immediately after that Avatar's birth element shares enough in common that the Avatar will find learning it very easy, and so will always learn it second after the birth element, the next element will be in some way opposite and therefore counterintuitive and difficult to master, and the final element will be complementary but deceptive and/or dangerous in some way, and so should be mastered last.)

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* It seems a little weird to me that Zuko just went on quests with everyone is such an alsmost almost formulaic way (it's even lampshaded by Toph.) But it actually makes perfect sense that Zuko accompany everyone on quests that played huge parts in building up to the climaxes of their respective character arcs, because his arc was the first to be resolved! When you think about it, Zuko's arc is pretty much done in Day of the Black Sun when he has his epic CallingTheOldManOut moment and goes to join Aang. Not that important things don't happen to him post-DOTBS, but his main character development from Point A to Point B was pretty much concluded. Even more important when you remember that Zuko spent years (including most of the show) traveling with a StaticCharacter CoolOldGuy who played the exact same role in his life - helping him along with his character development because Iroh's own had already been done!
* Why was firebending so dangerous for Aang? Precisely because he started as an airbender, and air enhances fire! So firebending would ''seem'' easy for him at the start, making it even more likely for him to get himself into trouble with it. However, the opposite was not true for Ruko, Roku, as he learned airbending first after firebending, and found it easy. And that is probably because mastering firebending requires mastery of ''controlling breath'', and breath is air. In a similar vein, Aang found waterbending easy, probably because since gases and liquids are both fluids, many techniques he mastered for controlling air probably applied with only minimal modification to controlling water. The order Jeong Jeong wanted Aang to master the elements (air then water then earth then fire) directly mirrors the Avatar cycle itself, and the pattern is a general one for all Avatars (the element immediately after that Avatar's birth element shares enough in common that the Avatar will find learning it very easy, and so will always learn it second after the birth element, the next element will be in some way opposite and therefore counterintuitive and difficult to master, and the final element will be complementary but deceptive and/or dangerous in some way, and so should be mastered last.)
13th Feb '16 1:02:31 PM ShorinBJ
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** This is true on a more technical level. In an earlier episode we see Iroh being uncharacteristically stern regarding Zuko's firebending, stressing that he needs to breathe. If you see his fights you can see that he moves to much and rarely does anything besides big fireballs. Per his personality, Zuko always tries for direct and powerful, despite having issues with the basics. ''Obviously'' this affects his technique. At his duel with Zhao, he finally improves. Look closely how he fights. He uses simpler movements against Zhao's unnecessary display of power. All thoughout Season 2 Zuko goes Back to Basics in his firebending, and by the Season Finale he's a much more credible threat to the Avatar than ever, making use of impressive techniques. Once he learns the "Fire is Life" approach, and with his revisited technique, [[TookALevelInBadass by Season 3 Finale he's finally one of the most powerful firebenders in the show.]]

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** This is true on a more technical level. In an earlier episode we see Iroh being uncharacteristically stern regarding Zuko's firebending, stressing that he needs to breathe. If you see his fights you can see that he moves to too much and rarely does anything besides big fireballs. Per his personality, Zuko always tries for direct and powerful, despite having issues with the basics. ''Obviously'' this affects his technique. At his duel with Zhao, he finally improves. Look closely how he fights. He uses simpler movements against Zhao's unnecessary display of power. All thoughout Season 2 Zuko goes Back to Basics in his firebending, and by the Season Finale he's a much more credible threat to the Avatar than ever, making use of impressive techniques. Once he learns the "Fire is Life" approach, and with his revisited technique, [[TookALevelInBadass by Season 3 Finale he's finally one of the most powerful firebenders in the show.]]



*** Also, they're peaceful because if they actually wanted to kill someone they'd just have to suck the air from their lungs: the world ''need'' them peaceful because if they weren't ''nothing'' could stop them. Kind of explain the losses taken by the Fire Nation during the Airbenders' genocide: some of the airbenders must have gone desperate enough to try and take down as many Firebenders they could, and as soon as one of them started sucking air from the attackers' lungs...
*** Forget sucking the air out of someone's lungs - [[http://www.atomicarchive.com/Effects/effects4.shtml overpressure]] is all you need. Normal atmospheric pressure is 16 pounds per square inch (psi). It requires as little as 3psi of overpressure to cause serious injuries or fatalities. Even given the general MadeOfIron nature of people in the Avatar universe an angry airbender would be a killing machine, one capable of ignoring armour or cover. The Fire Nation may have chosen to attack the Air Nomads during the arrival of Sozin's Comet simply because without it they couldn't have actually won.
*** To put it simply, if it had been the Airbenders who aimed from World conquest, it probably wouldn't have taken 100 years. All they have to do is either use the above methods listed, or, on a larger scale, possibly use their airbending to creating tornados and all sorts of destruction. And the fact that they frequently ride gliders or flying bisons mean they could easier stay out of harms reach. Especially if they're experienced in flying in those conditions.
*** The Chinese term "qi" means both life force and air; thus, the ability to bend air comes with the ability to control your life spirit. This could explain why there are virtually no non-bender Air Nomads. It also betrays a darker side of airbending to mirror bloodbending, that is, the bending of the life force within a person, i.e., soulbending. And this is what [[spoiler: Aang does to Ozai in the finale]].

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*** Also, they're peaceful because if they actually wanted to kill someone they'd just have to suck the air from their lungs: the world ''need'' ''needs'' them peaceful because if they weren't ''nothing'' could stop them. Kind of explain explains the losses taken by the Fire Nation during the Airbenders' genocide: some of the airbenders must have gone desperate enough to try and take down as many Firebenders they could, and as soon as one of them started sucking air from the attackers' lungs...
*** Forget sucking the air out of someone's lungs - [[http://www.atomicarchive.com/Effects/effects4.shtml overpressure]] is all you need. Normal atmospheric pressure is 16 pounds per square inch (psi). It requires as little as 3psi of overpressure to cause serious injuries or fatalities. Even given the general MadeOfIron nature of people in the Avatar universe an angry airbender would be a killing machine, one capable of ignoring armour or cover. The Fire Nation may have chosen to attack the Air Nomads during the arrival of Sozin's Comet simply because without it they couldn't have actually won.
won; certainly, you'd expect them to use the comet to take out the greatest threat.
*** To put it simply, if it had been the Airbenders who aimed from World conquest, it probably wouldn't have taken 100 years. All they have to do is either use the above methods listed, or, on a larger scale, possibly use their airbending to creating tornados and all sorts of destruction. And the fact that they frequently ride gliders or flying bisons mean they could easier more easily stay out of harms harm's reach. Especially if they're experienced in flying in those conditions.
*** The Chinese term "qi" means both life force and air; thus, the ability to bend air comes with the ability to control your life spirit. This could explain why there are virtually no non-bender Air Nomads. It also betrays a darker side of airbending to mirror bloodbending, that is, the bending of the life force within a person, i.e., soulbending. And this is what [[spoiler: Aang [[spoiler:Aang does to Ozai in the finale]].
5th Feb '16 1:31:54 PM Razor021792
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* Azula was born lucky, and Zuko was lucky to be born. Such a true line, but not in the way one would think. While it was meant as a put-down against Zuko from Ozai, the reality is that this is Zuko's greatest strength and Azula's greatest weakness. Yes, life is constantly putting Zuko down, but as a result he has learned how to deal with failure: he picks himself up and keeps on going, no matter how many times he has to do so. Azula, on the other hand, was used to things simply going her way: she's a prodigy, she was constantly outperforming her brother, earning the praise of her father, and generally kicking ass. But as soon as things went wrong for her - not just a little wrong, but hugely, disastrously wrong, like losing your only friends and getting KickedUpstairs by her Dad - she has no idea how to emotionally deal with it, and she completely falls apart. In the end, it's Zuko's fortitude and Azula's lack thereof are what put Zuko on the throne and put Azula in the nuthouse.

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* Azula was born lucky, and Zuko was lucky to be born. Such a true line, but not in the way one would think. While it was Ozai meant it as a put-down against Zuko from Ozai, for Zuko, the reality is that this is Zuko's greatest strength and Azula's greatest weakness. Yes, life is constantly putting kicking Zuko down, to the curb and spitting on him for good measure, but as a result of his suffering he has learned how to deal with failure: he picks himself up and keeps on going, no matter how many times he has to do so. Being TheDeterminator is practically his defining character trait. Azula, on the other hand, was too used to things simply going her way: she's a prodigy, she was constantly outperforming her brother, earning the praise of her father, father and the whole Fire Nation, and just generally kicking ass. But as soon as things went wrong for her - not just a little wrong, but hugely, disastrously wrong, like losing your her only friends and getting KickedUpstairs by the very father who "favors" her Dad - she has no idea how to emotionally deal with it, it emotionally, and she completely falls apart. In the end, it's Zuko's fortitude and Azula's lack thereof are what put Zuko on the throne and put left Azula in the nuthouse.a broken, sobbing wreck.
15th Jan '16 10:25:11 AM Beryllium
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* On the topic of Zuko, a kind of form of Fridge Tearjerker; when he finally finds Iroh in the third season, he is [[TearsOfRemorse crying]] and tearfully apologizing for [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone betraying him.]] When Iroh suddenly grabs him, Zuko seems to let out a little yelp...the last time Zuko apologized to a family member for a perceived slight, said family member burned and horribly scarred his face. [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zuko has no idea how families are supposed to work.]] Given he expected Iroh to be "furious" with him, in that second, did Zuko think Iroh was going to hurt him?

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* On the topic of Zuko, a kind of form of Fridge Tearjerker; {{Tearjerker}}; when he finally finds Iroh in the third season, he Zuko is [[TearsOfRemorse crying]] and tearfully apologizing for [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone betraying him.]] When Iroh suddenly grabs him, Zuko seems to let out a little yelp...the last time Zuko apologized to a family member for a perceived slight, said family member burned and horribly scarred his face. [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zuko has no idea how families are supposed to work.]] Given he expected Iroh to be "furious" with him, in that second, did Zuko think Iroh was going to hurt him?
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