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2nd Jan '17 4:16:07 PM Bulby08
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* Yon Rha said he had a source who claimed that one waterbender who remained in the Southern Water Tribe. The very implications of this mean that there was someone willing to sell out a young girl ''no older than 9'' to the Fire Nation. What's worse, is that it's likely a ''citizen of the Water Tribe'', who likely did it for money.
23rd Dec '16 11:18:17 PM Saendra
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** [[CompletelyMissedThePoint Flying pigs are primal Metalbenders?]]

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** [[CompletelyMissedThePoint [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Flying pigs are primal Metalbenders?]]
23rd Dec '16 11:17:34 PM Saendra
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** [[CompletelyMissedThePoint Flying pigs are primal Metalbenders?]]
5th Dec '16 9:46:50 AM BreadBull
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** Perhaps not. Avatar Kyoshi, also an earthbender, lived to be 230. Perhaps Bumi can do the same, or at the very least stay around for another 50 or so years until Aang dies.
2nd Dec '16 7:15:05 PM korben600
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** Not to put a damper on this, but Katara is self-taught. Most of her skills she made up, or learned on the way to the Northern Watertribe. It's more accurate that they are both redefining their bending styles.
1st Dec '16 9:58:40 PM Bulby08
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* At the beginning of Aang and Ozai's fight, Ozai claims to have "all the power in the world." By the end of the fight he says to Aang "You have all the power in the world, but you're still weak."

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* At *At the beginning of Aang and Ozai's fight, Ozai claims to have "all the power in the world." By the end of the fight he says to Aang "You have all the power in the world, but you're still weak."
1st Dec '16 9:58:38 PM Bulby08
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*At the beginning of Aang and Ozai's fight, Ozai claims to have "all the power in the world." By the end of the fight he says to Aang "You have all the power in the world, but you're still weak."
26th Nov '16 5:59:59 PM Bulby08
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* Katara's status as the Last Waterbender of the Southern Water Tribe mirrors that of Aang, the Last Airbender of the Air Nomads. Both are responsible for continuing to preserve their nation's respective Bending Arts, the Southern Waterbending Style, and Airbending.
29th Oct '16 2:42:06 AM ABE.Crudele
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* After Firelord Sozin betrayed Roku he started the tradition of killing dragons for fame and glory despite having a dragon mount before and during the betrayal. Roku also had a dragon and it was basically his symbol, so it is possible that Sozin started the tradition of hunting dragons because they reminded him of Roku and the friendship he had to destroy in order to fulfill his dream of conquest.

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* After Firelord Fire Lord Sozin betrayed Roku he started the tradition of killing dragons for fame and glory despite having a dragon mount before and during the betrayal. Roku also had a dragon and it was basically his symbol, so it is possible that Sozin started the tradition of hunting dragons because they reminded him of Roku and the friendship he had to destroy in order to fulfill his dream of conquest.



** Keep in mind that Azula lost her sanity when she became Firelord, so her Firebending became more erratic and unpredictable. Zuko perfected his Firebending with Aang so he was much stronger in terms of power and technique.

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** Keep in mind that Azula lost her sanity when she became Firelord, Fire Lord, so her Firebending became more erratic and unpredictable. Zuko perfected his Firebending with Aang so he was much stronger in terms of power and technique.



** Fire bending seems like it would be the most useless one to have in real life, because you really can't use it for much besides combat, and it would be difficult to use without burning something. This would explain why the fire nation is so war-like. But if you think deeper, you realize that there's much more to it than that, even beyond the basic uses of fire like cooking and warming. Fire can be used in any number of industrial processes, metal forging, engines, ships, factories, etc. And the fire-nation does just that. In the flashbacks with Sozin and Roku, Sozin mentions that the fire-nation has been going through an extremely prosperous era, it's because they were having an industrial revolution! Some fire-bender must have created a steam-engine of some sort. This also means that they will likely never leave steam power, because they have total control over it. Fire-benders basically have an infinite supply of coal shooting out of their hands, so it makes complete sense that the new series will take place in a steam-punk themed city. It's why fire-benders have so much engineering and technology, while the rest of the tribes are relatively primitive.
** Water bending is the most obvious one, you can use it to move boats around, and maybe even use it to catch some fish. Their location makes sense because someone who had control over ice and water would want to live somewhere that they were never far from it. But the water tribesí presence at the north and south poles also gives the gang an excuse to travel over the entire world, before the show ever has to stop in one point for too long.
** Also, the Fire and Air. The fire nation is taking over the entire world, growing larger and larger - you know, like a metaphor for fire spreading? Also, the Air Nomads have four different temples scattered around the world, like real wind scatters.

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** Fire bending seems like it would be the most useless one to have in real life, because you really can't use it for much besides combat, and it would be difficult to use without burning something. This would explain why the fire nation Fire Nation is so war-like. But if you think deeper, you realize that there's much more to it than that, even beyond the basic uses of fire like cooking and warming. Fire can be used in any number of industrial processes, metal forging, engines, ships, factories, etc. And the fire-nation does just that. In the flashbacks with Sozin and Roku, Sozin mentions that the fire-nation has been going through an extremely prosperous era, it's because they were having an industrial revolution! Some fire-bender firebender must have created a steam-engine of some sort. This also means that they will likely never leave steam power, because they have total control over it. Fire-benders Firebenders basically have an infinite supply of coal shooting out of their hands, so it makes complete sense that the new series will take place in a steam-punk themed city. It's why fire-benders firebenders have so much engineering and technology, while the rest of the tribes are relatively primitive.
** Water bending Waterbending is the most obvious one, you can use it to move boats around, and maybe even use it to catch some fish. Their location makes sense because someone who had control over ice and water would want to live somewhere that they were never far from it. But the water tribesí Water Tribesí presence at the north and south poles also gives the gang an excuse to travel over the entire world, before the show ever has to stop in one point for too long.
** Also, the Fire and Air. The fire nation Fire Nation is taking over the entire world, growing larger and larger - you know, like a metaphor for fire spreading? Also, the Air Nomads have four different temples scattered around the world, like real wind scatters.



* At first Fire nation's abduction of Benders from other nations seems simply like a systematized way of [[KickTheDog Kicking The Dog]] and showing what bastards they were. Once one comes to understand how the Avatar's cycle of reincarnation works in the series that it suddenly made complete sense: the {{Evil Overlord}}s are trying to effectively contain a threat to their schemes ''before it is even born''!

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* At first Fire nation's Nation's abduction of Benders from other nations seems simply like a systematized way of [[KickTheDog Kicking The Dog]] and showing what bastards they were. Once one comes to understand how the Avatar's cycle of reincarnation works in the series that it suddenly made complete sense: the {{Evil Overlord}}s are trying to effectively contain a threat to their schemes ''before it is even born''!



** Keeping the other bending cultures alive would also greatly benefit the Fire Nation in the long run. They could easily kill a young Avatar, hastening the cycle until the Fire Nation got the Avatar again. Then they could easily indoctrinate him/her and force their captive Water and Earthbenders to teach the Avatar their skills. The Fire Nation winds up with a powerful weapon that they can still theoretically control as a fully realized Avatar is impossible (a Firelord should be able to defeat a rogue Avatar with only 3 elements). After that Avatar, the cycle will break but by then the Fire Nation should rule the world with or without Sozin's comet. The eugenic potential also does not seem to escape them with Ursa's grandfather in mind. Try not to think too hard about an Avatar mentored by Fire Lord Azula and married to one of Azula's children.

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** Keeping the other bending cultures alive would also greatly benefit the Fire Nation in the long run. They could easily kill a young Avatar, hastening the cycle until the Fire Nation got the Avatar again. Then they could easily indoctrinate him/her and force their captive Water and Earthbenders to teach the Avatar their skills. The Fire Nation winds up with a powerful weapon that they can still theoretically control as a fully realized Avatar is impossible (a Firelord Fire Lord should be able to defeat a rogue Avatar with only 3 elements). After that Avatar, the cycle will break but by then the Fire Nation should rule the world with or without Sozin's comet. The eugenic potential also does not seem to escape them with Ursa's grandfather in mind. Try not to think too hard about an Avatar mentored by Fire Lord Azula and married to one of Azula's children.



* The Fire Nation seems stupid for capturing and not killing the waterbenders, in case they escaped with a grudge. Especially since Zuko didn't stake out the Water Tribe in his search for the Avatar. However, they thought the Avatar was a waterbender and were just letting Zuko roam around the world searching for a nonexistent(or so they believed) airbender to keep him out of their hair. That way, the Avatar wouldn't be born into the Earth Kingdom, a huge and not-as-easily weeded out place as the Water Tribes. At least, until the waterbenders died of old age, which I think Ozai was betting on happening after he won the war. Also, even though they don't have the waterbenders from the south pole, even if the avatar was there, it isn't likely they can master earth and fire, there is absolutely no chance of them mastering air, and so they aren't much of a threat to the Fire Nation. There's also a bit more fridge brilliance to this considering Aang's successor as Avatar, Korra. She could already bend three of the four elements much younger than any previous Avatar, Aang included, only having trouble with Airbending because it was opposite to her personality. Ozai's plan was pretty much doomed to failure from the start.

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* The Fire Nation seems stupid for capturing and not killing the waterbenders, in case they escaped with a grudge. Especially since Zuko didn't stake out the Water Tribe Tribes in his search for the Avatar. However, they thought the Avatar was a waterbender and were just letting Zuko roam around the world searching for a nonexistent(or so they believed) airbender to keep him out of their hair. That way, the Avatar wouldn't be born into the Earth Kingdom, a huge and not-as-easily weeded out place as the Water Tribes. At least, until the waterbenders died of old age, which I think Ozai was betting on happening after he won the war. Also, even though they don't have the waterbenders from the south pole, even if the avatar was there, it isn't likely they can master earth and fire, there is absolutely no chance of them mastering air, and so they aren't much of a threat to the Fire Nation. There's also a bit more fridge brilliance to this considering Aang's successor as Avatar, Korra. She could already bend three of the four elements much younger than any previous Avatar, Aang included, only having trouble with Airbending because it was opposite to her personality. Ozai's plan was pretty much doomed to failure from the start.



* Fire Nation troops don't usually fight in formation. This is particularly noticeable in the assault on the Northern Water Tribe. If you replaced the Fire Nation troops with, say, WWII soldiers and replaced the tanks with WWII tanks, they'd look very similar to the FN's loose formations, with squads of troops moving among the tanks. And that makes sense, because firebending would render most pre-gunpowder formations useless anyway, and every firebender (which makes up the majority of the FN's army) would be capable of long-ranged attacks at will - exactly like modern firearm-equipped infantry. The Fire Nation has, quite literally, pioneered combined arms tactics on a parallel with modern mechanized armies. The fire nation's entire army parallels Germany during this period. Their favourite method of attacking is a quick strike before retreating (blitzkrieg), had utilized awesome but impractical weaponry (a giant fleet of zeppelins, a gigantic, almost looney-tunes esque drill) and moved to heavily industrializing the mainland for the war effort.
* The Fire Nation military was the most gender equal of all the four nations, but all the women seen were young women. There were no older women seen among the Fire Nation generals, and no older Fire Nation women seen in the Order of the White Lotus. And in the flashback to Roku and Sozin's youth, the women that were seen were all in more traditional roles. This suggests that the gender equality seen in the present is a ''recent'' phenomenon, possibly spurred by the exigencies of war to make up for manpower shortages (how else could the Fire Nation prosecute a 100 year war against the vastly larger Earth Kingdom?). Which would mean that it had to be one of the three Firelords (Sozin, Azulon, and/or Ozai) who introduced gender equality into the Avatar world. Warlike nations usually have greater gender equality, if only for economic reasons. Western gender equality has been greatly helped by war, although in that case it promoted more women into industrial positions than as soldiers. A good long world takeover campaign would almost necessitate encouraging women to take traditionally masculine roles simply to have enough soldiers and industrial producers.
** That makes sense, the water tribe was probably less populated than the Fire Nation and the Air nomads were nomads, but the Earth kingdom has the advantage of being living terraformers, and having a larger amount of land (just land period, in terms of agriculturally useful land they probably dominate) than any other kingdom. The Earth kingdom probably had a massive population advantage over the Fire Kingdom throughout the war.

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* Fire Nation troops don't usually fight in formation. This is particularly noticeable in the assault on the Northern Water Tribe. If you replaced the Fire Nation troops with, say, WWII soldiers and replaced the tanks with WWII tanks, they'd look very similar to the FN's loose formations, with squads of troops moving among the tanks. And that makes sense, because firebending would render most pre-gunpowder formations useless anyway, and every firebender (which makes up the majority of the FN's army) would be capable of long-ranged attacks at will - exactly like modern firearm-equipped infantry. The Fire Nation has, quite literally, pioneered combined arms tactics on a parallel with modern mechanized armies. The fire nation's Fire Nation's entire army parallels Germany during this period. Their favourite method of attacking is a quick strike before retreating (blitzkrieg), had utilized awesome but impractical weaponry (a giant fleet of zeppelins, a gigantic, almost looney-tunes esque drill) and moved to heavily industrializing the mainland for the war effort.
* The Fire Nation military was the most gender equal of all the four nations, but all the women seen were young women. There were no older women seen among the Fire Nation generals, and no older Fire Nation women seen in the Order of the White Lotus. And in the flashback to Roku and Sozin's youth, the women that were seen were all in more traditional roles. This suggests that the gender equality seen in the present is a ''recent'' phenomenon, possibly spurred by the exigencies of war to make up for manpower shortages (how else could the Fire Nation prosecute a 100 year war against the vastly larger Earth Kingdom?). Which would mean that it had to be one of the three Firelords Fire Lords (Sozin, Azulon, and/or Ozai) who introduced gender equality into the Avatar world. Warlike nations usually have greater gender equality, if only for economic reasons. Western gender equality has been greatly helped by war, although in that case it promoted more women into industrial positions than as soldiers. A good long world takeover campaign would almost necessitate encouraging women to take traditionally masculine roles simply to have enough soldiers and industrial producers.
** That makes sense, the water tribe Water Tribe was probably less populated than the Fire Nation and the Air nomads Nomads were nomads, but the Earth kingdom Kingdom has the advantage of being living terraformers, and having a larger amount of land (just land period, in terms of agriculturally useful land they probably dominate) than any other kingdom. The Earth kingdom Kingdom probably had a massive population advantage over the Fire Kingdom throughout the war.



* Fire nation had pride in its benders, and might be losing touch with nature. However, look at what they were doing. All of their machines could be firebender operated. However, they were paving the way for non-benders to have equal power as their benders. Why dedicate a bender who could be used for fighting (gunpowder isn't around yet so Benders still have superiority in fighting) to keeping your vehicle moving when you could have anyone do it by using coal engines?

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* Fire nation Nation had pride in its benders, and might be losing touch with nature. However, look at what they were doing. All of their machines could be firebender operated. However, they were paving the way for non-benders to have equal power as their benders. Why dedicate a bender who could be used for fighting (gunpowder isn't around yet so Benders still have superiority in fighting) to keeping your vehicle moving when you could have anyone do it by using coal engines?



** It goes further than that, just look one generation above. You have a son who desperately wants approval from a father figure they haven't seen in years, with he and his sister's mother being gone since they were young children because of the Firelord. Now, is that Sokka and Katara, or Zuko and Azula?

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** It goes further than that, just look one generation above. You have a son who desperately wants approval from a father figure they haven't seen in years, with he and his sister's mother being gone since they were young children because of the Firelord.Fire Lord. Now, is that Sokka and Katara, or Zuko and Azula?



** There's a small parallel between Zuko and Azula in that regard. Zuko temporarily had the "sickness" when he gave up capturing Appa after Lake Laogai, and went into deep turmoil since Iroh's ArmorPiercingQuestion made him rethink what ''he'' wanted, not what his father did. Azula likewise had a similar breakdown when she realized that being the firelord wasn't what she wanted and the betrayal of her friends made her question herself as well. Unlike Zuko though, Azula's Parental figure Ozai did nothing to help her, instead discarded her to what amounts to being a regent. Zuko, with the help of Iroh, passed his test of character, while Azula failed.

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** There's a small parallel between Zuko and Azula in that regard. Zuko temporarily had the "sickness" when he gave up capturing Appa after Lake Laogai, and went into deep turmoil since Iroh's ArmorPiercingQuestion made him rethink what ''he'' wanted, not what his father did. Azula likewise had a similar breakdown when she realized that being the firelord Fire Lord wasn't what she wanted and the betrayal of her friends made her question herself as well. Unlike Zuko though, Azula's Parental figure Ozai did nothing to help her, instead discarded her to what amounts to being a regent. Zuko, with the help of Iroh, passed his test of character, while Azula failed.



* In Season 1, Katara tells Aang she's sure that he ended up frozen for a hundred years for a reason. What reason would destiny have for wanting to put the Avatar on ice for a century? Well, imagine what would have happened if Aang (or, if he had been killed, the new Avatar) had grown up and faced Firelord Sozin. Even if he had won, ''there would have been no one fit to succeed Sozin as Firelord.'' Azulon wasn't much better than his dad, and certainly would have continued the war if he thought his father had been killed by the Avatar. True peace couldn't be achieved until someone could lead the Fire Nation back to its original path and atone for Sozin's killing of Roku. So Aang had to wait until Zuko showed up, because only together could they restore balance.

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* In Season 1, Katara tells Aang she's sure that he ended up frozen for a hundred years for a reason. What reason would destiny have for wanting to put the Avatar on ice for a century? Well, imagine what would have happened if Aang (or, if he had been killed, the new Avatar) had grown up and faced Firelord Fire Lord Sozin. Even if he had won, ''there would have been no one fit to succeed Sozin as Firelord.Fire Lord.'' Azulon wasn't much better than his dad, and certainly would have continued the war if he thought his father had been killed by the Avatar. True peace couldn't be achieved until someone could lead the Fire Nation back to its original path and atone for Sozin's killing of Roku. So Aang had to wait until Zuko showed up, because only together could they restore balance.



* The firebender attack on the northern water tribe is very reminiscent of the Spanish Armada in themes, attacking a geographically small area with a truly excessive number of ships which are pretty well defended by hit and run attacks by the numerically smaller, but more powerful individually enemies. What really clinches the comparison though, is the fact that [[spoiler: in real life the only thing that actually damages the fleet enough to leave is a storm that decimates their ships, in the show it's a ocean spirit, but saying the spirit of the ocean wrecked your vessels is pretty much saying "we got beat by a storm"]]
** Also, another thing to consider, Zhao may have been one of the only ones to actually know of his plan to kill the moon spirit, because Iroh expressed disbelief at the idea of killing what amounts to a god, and other soldiers may object to it like he did, Zhao probably kept his plan to himself to keep unity. By the way, consider another, unrelated question, why did the Fire Nation never invade the Northern Water tribe again? Clearly they had the numbers to keep invading, there were dozens of ships left, but the rest of the series focuses on the Fire Nation's Earth Kingdom campaign. The reason is that because Zhao died, nobody had any clue what his original plan was for beating the Northern Water tribe. From their perspective, they were on the verge of winning, and the moon went out and the ocean killed a quarter of their fleet. The Fire Nation likely assumed it was a defense mechanism and never tried to attack again because they believed as soon as they were close to winning they would get hammered again. Even if they knew that this was likely a once in a lifetime occurrence (and sidenote, the firebender on the front lines were the ones most likely to have been told the plan, in case they got to the temple before Zhao, and the episode makes it very clear every one of them was taken out) they couldn't risk losing that many ships (or airships, the monster would bat them out of the sky) again (remember, the only reason the monster stopped was because the moon came back, had the moon stayed dead, there is no telling how long the monster would've raged for. So, what does the fire nation do? Ignore the event like it never happened, and devote all of it's resources to conquering the earth kingdom, which looks like a far more appealing target.
** Another sidenote, another reason the Fire Kingdom never attacked the Water Tribes again is that they didn't have any reason to. The Northern Water tribe is built on the ice cap, there are no natural resources worth taking (unlike the Earth Kingdom, which has iron, agriculture etc.) and the main reason they attacked it at all was because Zhao wanted to kill the moon spirit (which turns out to be a stupid idea). Basically it's the level of effort of fight an unstoppable juggernaut vs the reward of...fish?(btw, even without the Water Kaiju, the city is made of ice and snow, uncaptured waterbenders could disappear into walls and floors. The Fire Nation has enough problems with holding the Earth Kingdom, good luck trying to hold the Northern Water Tribe, let alone conquer it.) And the extremely difficult task of killing or extremely expensive task of imprisoning waterbenders from the battle(the bloodbender episode proves that it is really hard to hold waterbenders alive as water is everywhere, so they have to dry out every inch of the prison, which takes time, effort, and money the Fire Nation doesn't care to waste).

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* The firebender Fire Nation attack on the northern water tribe Northern Water Tribe is very reminiscent of the Spanish Armada in themes, attacking a geographically small area with a truly excessive number of ships which are pretty well defended by hit and run attacks by the numerically smaller, but more powerful individually enemies. What really clinches the comparison though, is the fact that [[spoiler: in real life the only thing that actually damages the fleet enough to leave is a storm that decimates their ships, in the show it's a ocean spirit, but saying the spirit of the ocean wrecked your vessels is pretty much saying "we got beat by a storm"]]
** Also, another thing to consider, Zhao may have been one of the only ones to actually know of his plan to kill the moon spirit, because Iroh expressed disbelief at the idea of killing what amounts to a god, and other soldiers may object to it like he did, Zhao probably kept his plan to himself to keep unity. By the way, consider another, unrelated question, why did the Fire Nation never invade the Northern Water tribe Tribe again? Clearly they had the numbers to keep invading, there were dozens of ships left, but the rest of the series focuses on the Fire Nation's Earth Kingdom campaign. The reason is that because Zhao died, nobody had any clue what his original plan was for beating the Northern Water tribe.Tribe. From their perspective, they were on the verge of winning, and the moon went out and the ocean killed a quarter of their fleet. The Fire Nation likely assumed it was a defense mechanism and never tried to attack again because they believed as soon as they were close to winning they would get hammered again. Even if they knew that this was likely a once in a lifetime occurrence (and sidenote, the firebender on the front lines were the ones most likely to have been told the plan, in case they got to the temple before Zhao, and the episode makes it very clear every one of them was taken out) they couldn't risk losing that many ships (or airships, the monster would bat them out of the sky) again (remember, the only reason the monster stopped was because the moon came back, had the moon stayed dead, there is no telling how long the monster would've raged for. So, what does the fire nation Fire Nation do? Ignore the event like it never happened, and devote all of it's resources to conquering the earth kingdom, Earth Kingdom, which looks like a far more appealing target.
** Another sidenote, another reason the Fire Kingdom never attacked the Water Tribes again is that they didn't have any reason to. The Northern Water tribe Tribe is built on the ice cap, there are no natural resources worth taking (unlike the Earth Kingdom, which has iron, agriculture etc.) and the main reason they attacked it at all was because Zhao wanted to kill the moon spirit (which turns out to be a stupid idea). Basically it's the level of effort of fight an unstoppable juggernaut vs the reward of...fish?(btw, even without the Water Kaiju, the city is made of ice and snow, uncaptured waterbenders could disappear into walls and floors. The Fire Nation has enough problems with holding the Earth Kingdom, good luck trying to hold the Northern Water Tribe, let alone conquer it.) And the extremely difficult task of killing or extremely expensive task of imprisoning waterbenders from the battle(the bloodbender episode proves that it is really hard to hold waterbenders alive as water is everywhere, so they have to dry out every inch of the prison, which takes time, effort, and money the Fire Nation doesn't care to waste).



** It's also important because it highlights (along with the rest of the episode) just how ''terrified'' everyone is of the Fire Nation and the war, especially because of Sozin's rationale (given later in "The Avatar And The Firelord") that the war, or rather the occupation, would enrich and improve the other nations. Zuko remembers to throw this in Ozai's face during his defection.

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** It's also important because it highlights (along with the rest of the episode) just how ''terrified'' everyone is of the Fire Nation and the war, especially because of Sozin's rationale (given later in "The Avatar And The Firelord") Fire Lord") that the war, or rather the occupation, would enrich and improve the other nations. Zuko remembers to throw this in Ozai's face during his defection.



* Iroh teaches Zuko about the four elements and how they operate in balance, and how different approaches to different bending arts can be implemented. Zuko comments that "all this four elements talk sounds like Avatar stuff." While Iroh's explanation on how the four elements and the four nations operate in harmony makes sense, it becomes even more relevant in hindsight when it is revealed in "The Avatar and the Firelord" that [[spoiler: Zuko is the descendant of Avatar Roku]] and Iroh tells him he has the power to bring balance to the world - which leads ultimately to Zuko's final turn to the good guys. Even in the middle of the second season, they were already laying the groundwork for the revelation of [[spoiler: Zuko's ancestry.]]

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* Iroh teaches Zuko about the four elements and how they operate in balance, and how different approaches to different bending arts can be implemented. Zuko comments that "all this four elements talk sounds like Avatar stuff." While Iroh's explanation on how the four elements and the four nations operate in harmony makes sense, it becomes even more relevant in hindsight when it is revealed in "The Avatar and the Firelord" Fire Lord" that [[spoiler: Zuko is the descendant of Avatar Roku]] and Iroh tells him he has the power to bring balance to the world - which leads ultimately to Zuko's final turn to the good guys. Even in the middle of the second season, they were already laying the groundwork for the revelation of [[spoiler: Zuko's ancestry.]]



** Furthermore: Roku's trip through time in "The Avatar and the Firelord" shows that being the Avatar didn't exactly hurt his chances in love, yet he was able to control the Avatar State perfectly to the point of accessing it at bursts. At first this would make it appear that Pathik was talking out of his ass when he said Aang needed to let go of Katara. However, looking back at said Avatar State bursts, they were Roku's most powerful, decisive striking moments in the entire flashback. He neither looked nor acted the part of a man who was distracted by romance, bitterness, belongings, or anything else, but rather one who was fully focused on the task at hand, with '''nothing else in mind'''. Roku didn't disprove anything Pathik said, nor was the Guru just kinda right; his story was in fact the first sign of just how on the money Pathik truly was the entire time.

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** Furthermore: Roku's trip through time in "The Avatar and the Firelord" Fire Lord" shows that being the Avatar didn't exactly hurt his chances in love, yet he was able to control the Avatar State perfectly to the point of accessing it at bursts. At first this would make it appear that Pathik was talking out of his ass when he said Aang needed to let go of Katara. However, looking back at said Avatar State bursts, they were Roku's most powerful, decisive striking moments in the entire flashback. He neither looked nor acted the part of a man who was distracted by romance, bitterness, belongings, or anything else, but rather one who was fully focused on the task at hand, with '''nothing else in mind'''. Roku didn't disprove anything Pathik said, nor was the Guru just kinda right; his story was in fact the first sign of just how on the money Pathik truly was the entire time.



* When talking about killing Ozai, Zuko refers to him as the Firelord and deliberately distances himself. His amusing slip up (calling Ozai the 'Fatherlord') suddenly becomes a TearJerker.

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* When talking about killing Ozai, Zuko refers to him as the Firelord Fire Lord and deliberately distances himself. His amusing slip up (calling Ozai the 'Fatherlord') suddenly becomes a TearJerker.



* In the GrandFinale, Azula is ranting at the mirror that "trust is for fools. Fear is the only reliable way". Azula, who believes in fear, is bested by Katara, who had accompanied the Firelord's son, and a former hated enemy, to the Firebender infested capital of the Fire Nation all alone. Trust in your friends won the day.

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* In the GrandFinale, Azula is ranting at the mirror that "trust is for fools. Fear is the only reliable way". Azula, who believes in fear, is bested by Katara, who had accompanied the Firelord's Fire Lord's son, and a former hated enemy, to the Firebender infested capital of the Fire Nation all alone. Trust in your friends won the day.



* Aang killing the Firelord in the ''wrong'' way (basically any way that would have made Ozai the least bit of a martyr in the eyes of anyone in the Fire Nation who sympathized with him) would ''not'' have helped the world, but instead trigger a civil war within the Fire Nation, creating even ''more'' chaos and suffering in the world. So discrediting Ozai's warmongering by defeating him, neutralizing him and ''sparing his life'' may in fact have been the ''only'' way for the Avatar to restore the balance of the world.

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* Aang killing the Firelord Fire Lord in the ''wrong'' way (basically any way that would have made Ozai the least bit of a martyr in the eyes of anyone in the Fire Nation who sympathized with him) would ''not'' have helped the world, but instead trigger a civil war within the Fire Nation, creating even ''more'' chaos and suffering in the world. So discrediting Ozai's warmongering by defeating him, neutralizing him and ''sparing his life'' may in fact have been the ''only'' way for the Avatar to restore the balance of the world.



* Aang was convinced that he was forced to kill the Firelord. There is an old Buddhist saying that goes "If you see the Buddha (an idea about Nirvana) in the road (the path to Nirvana), kill him (destroy the idea)". In the end, that's exactly what Aang did. He killed the idea of the Firelord.

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* Aang was convinced that he was forced to kill the Firelord.Fire Lord. There is an old Buddhist saying that goes "If you see the Buddha (an idea about Nirvana) in the road (the path to Nirvana), kill him (destroy the idea)". In the end, that's exactly what Aang did. He killed the idea of the Firelord.Fire Lord.



* Remember those two guards who saw Aang and sent a messenger hawk to warn the Firelord. Combustion Man intercepted the message, and the world still believes the Avatar is dead. But wait, who's to say the guards didn't spread the word the next time they went to town or realized their message was intercepted? As a trained assassin, Combustion Man would not hesitate to kill the two guards.

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* Remember those two guards who saw Aang and sent a messenger hawk to warn the Firelord.Fire Lord. Combustion Man intercepted the message, and the world still believes the Avatar is dead. But wait, who's to say the guards didn't spread the word the next time they went to town or realized their message was intercepted? As a trained assassin, Combustion Man would not hesitate to kill the two guards.
28th Oct '16 5:41:04 PM korben600
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** That makes sense, the water tribe was probably less populated than the Fire Nation and the Air nomads were nomads, but the Earth kingdom has the advantage of being living terraformers, and having a larger amount of land (just land period, in terms of agriculturally useful land they probably dominate) than any other kingdom. The Earth kingdom probably had a massive population advantage over the Fire Kingdom throughout the war.


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*** Actually, the idea that there is a mental illness that is strong in the royal family makes sense. We don't know who Sozin married, and whether or not she was distantly related to him, or if Azulon's spouse was related as well, but we do know with reasonable certainty that Ursa wasn't related to the Fire Nation royal family, so an inheritable illness could've been negated by her infusion of new genes. However, that may not have been enough, as Azula shows sign of this "Fire Madness" and appears to be almost as bad as her father. Zuko could've just lucked out and not gotten because of his mother, which actually contradicts the "Azula was born lucky, I was lucky to be born" comment. He could've been literally born lucky as opposed to his sister. Luckily, there is fridge hope here, as Zuko ended up with Mei, who, while in a powerful family, would be far enough from the royal family tree for their children to be safe. The only thing that messes with this theory is the fact that Iroh seems sane, but his son was also killed, so we don't know if Lu Ten would've displayed any symptoms.
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