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* All the ghosts pretty much owe their death to Constance (at least the ghosts from 80s-present day and the entire Harmon family, due to Tate and Michael, her Anti-Christ grandson. So why haven't ANY of them so much as gotten violent with her or simply tried to terrify her? They're afraid they will kill her. She is so awful that not even literal monsters like the Infantata want her around any longer than she has to be.
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* All the ghosts from the 80s-to-present ghosts, Harmon family included, pretty much owe their death deaths to Constance (at least the ghosts from 80s-present day Constance, by proxy thanks to her son and the entire Harmon family, due to Tate and Michael, her Anti-Christ grandson. So why haven't ANY have ''none of them them'' so much as gotten violent with her or simply tried to terrify her? They're afraid they will kill her. She is so awful that not even literal monsters like the Infantata want her around any longer than she has to be.
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* Late in episode 3 after a miscarriage scare, Vivien offers a guest, one of the girls who visited the abortionist who built the house in the 1920s, a cup of the mint and verbena tea she was making. As any pregnant woman, mother, prenatal specialist, or armchair apothecary knows, the verbena plant known by that name is a highly effective abortifacent in large doses, and pregnant women are warned to keep away from even minuscule amounts of it. -Tropers/{{JET73L}}
** Actually Verbena in tea is also used to help stimulate milk flow in pregnant women. It is also a kind of alternative medicine promoted for its effect on health. Given that Vivien is quite gung ho about using natural remedies, it makes sense she would be drinking it.
** Actually Verbena in tea is also used to help stimulate milk flow in pregnant women. It is also a kind of alternative medicine promoted for its effect on health. Given that Vivien is quite gung ho about using natural remedies, it makes sense she would be drinking it.
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* Late in episode 3 after a miscarriage scare, Vivien offers a guest, one of the girls who visited the abortionist who built the house in the 1920s, a cup of the mint and verbena tea she was making. As any pregnant woman, mother, prenatal specialist, or armchair apothecary knows, the verbena plant known by that name is a highly effective abortifacent in large doses, and pregnant women are warned to keep away from even minuscule amounts of it. -Tropers/{{JET73L}}\n** Actually Verbena in tea is also used to help stimulate milk flow in pregnant women. It is also a kind of alternative medicine promoted for its effect on health. Given that Vivien is quite gung ho about using natural remedies, it makes sense she would be drinking it.
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** Probably one more Tate in the house.
** Not necessarily. A lot of people during that time grew up in quite formal and distant households. Children were to be seen but not heard. Doesn't mean Thaddeus would have grown up to become a ''killer''.
** Not necessarily. A lot of people during that time grew up in quite formal and distant households. Children were to be seen but not heard. Doesn't mean Thaddeus would have grown up to become a ''killer''.
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** and metaphorically these ghosts all cannot pass into the other world and are trapped among the living, like miscarriages.
** The photos of children in the opening credits seem disturbing to you? They should -- they're in the style of mid-19th century child photographs, which required the subjects to stay still so long that they were generally done post-mortem.
** The photos of children in the opening credits seem disturbing to you? They should -- they're in the style of mid-19th century child photographs, which required the subjects to stay still so long that they were generally done post-mortem.
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** Plus trying to poison Violet, not warning the Harmons more and defending Tate even after he shot up a whole school.
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** Her behavior as an enabler for her husband, for Tate has finalized in her being an enabler for the ultimate form of evil...
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* The stillborn baby will never age past the newborn stage. He will never develop cognitively, never gain fine motor control, probably never even learn to focus his eyes enough for the world to ever make sense.
** Not necessarily: Moira appears older than she was at the time of her death (half the time, anyway), so it might be possible for ghosts to age under certain circumstances.
** Not necessarily: Moira appears older than she was at the time of her death (half the time, anyway), so it might be possible for ghosts to age under certain circumstances.
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** Not necessarily: Moira appears older than she was at the time of her death (half the time, anyway), so it might be possible for ghosts to age under certain circumstances.sense.
** Not necessarily: Moira appears older than she was at the time of her death (half the time, anyway), so it might be possible for ghosts to age under certain circumstances.
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* The stillborn baby will never age past the newborn stage. He will never develop cognitively, never gain fine motor control, probably never even learn to focus his eyes enough for the world to ever make sense.
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** Not necessarily: Moira appears older than she was at the time of her death (half the time, anyway), so it might be possible for ghosts to age under certain circumstances.
** Not necessarily: Moira appears older than she was at the time of her death (half the time, anyway), so it might be possible for ghosts to age under certain circumstances.
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* Why did Constance Langdon specifically request Violet eat the [[spoiler: poisoned]] cupcake. Well, she probably wasn't too keen on Violet hanging out with Tate in the beginning... she is rather possessive of her good son. This was right after a phone call in which Ben told her that he was going to stop treating Tate because of his inappropriateness towards Violet.
* A lot of reviewers didn't get why Vivien would eat the brain and pancreas. Other than being an allusion to a famous horror film [[spoiler: it was probably for the anti-christ and the anti-christ baby inside her was craving it so she ate it too.]]
* A lot of reviewers didn't get why Vivien would eat the brain and pancreas. Other than being an allusion to a famous horror film [[spoiler: it was probably for the anti-christ and the anti-christ baby inside her was craving it so she ate it too.]]
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* Why did Constance Langdon specifically request Violet eat the [[spoiler: poisoned]] poisoned cupcake. Well, she probably wasn't too keen on Violet hanging out with Tate in the beginning... she is rather possessive of her good son. This was right after a phone call in which Ben told her that he was going to stop treating Tate because of his inappropriateness towards Violet.
* A lot of reviewers didn't get why Vivien would eat the brain and pancreas. Other than being an allusion to a famous horrorfilm [[spoiler: film, it was probably for the anti-christ and the anti-christ baby inside her was craving it so she ate it too.]]
* A lot of reviewers didn't get why Vivien would eat the brain and pancreas. Other than being an allusion to a famous horror
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* All the ghosts pretty much owe their death to Constance (at least the ghosts from 80s-present day and the entire [[spoiler: Harmon family, due to Tate and Michael, her Anti-Christ grandson]]. So why haven't ANY of them so much as gotten violent with her or simply tried to terrify her? They're afraid they will kill her. She is so awful that not even literal monsters like the Infantata want her around any longer than she has to be.
* Tate's constant references to Kurt Cobain and grunge-style clothes make more sense after the revelation that [[spoiler: he has been dead since 1994 and therefore his cultural knowledge would be pretty rooted in the early '90s culture]].
* Why does Tate suddenly want Violet to stop cutting herself? [[spoiler: Because she's dead and can heal almost instantly. By stopping her from cutting he is lowering the risk of her discovering the truth.]]
* Late in episode 3 after a miscarriage scare, Vivien offers a guest, [[spoiler: one of the girls who visited the abortionist who built the house in the 1920s]], a cup of the mint and verbena tea she was making. As any pregnant woman, mother, prenatal specialist, or armchair apothecary knows, [[spoiler: the verbena plant known by that name is a highly effective abortifacent in large doses, and pregnant women are warned to keep away from even miniscule amounts of it]]. -Tropers/{{JET73L}}
* Tate's constant references to Kurt Cobain and grunge-style clothes make more sense after the revelation that [[spoiler: he has been dead since 1994 and therefore his cultural knowledge would be pretty rooted in the early '90s culture]].
* Why does Tate suddenly want Violet to stop cutting herself? [[spoiler: Because she's dead and can heal almost instantly. By stopping her from cutting he is lowering the risk of her discovering the truth.]]
* Late in episode 3 after a miscarriage scare, Vivien offers a guest, [[spoiler: one of the girls who visited the abortionist who built the house in the 1920s]], a cup of the mint and verbena tea she was making. As any pregnant woman, mother, prenatal specialist, or armchair apothecary knows, [[spoiler: the verbena plant known by that name is a highly effective abortifacent in large doses, and pregnant women are warned to keep away from even miniscule amounts of it]]. -Tropers/{{JET73L}}
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* All the ghosts pretty much owe their death to Constance (at least the ghosts from 80s-present day and the entire [[spoiler: Harmon family, due to Tate and Michael, her Anti-Christ grandson]].grandson. So why haven't ANY of them so much as gotten violent with her or simply tried to terrify her? They're afraid they will kill her. She is so awful that not even literal monsters like the Infantata want her around any longer than she has to be.
* Tate's constant references to Kurt Cobain and grunge-style clothes make more sense after the revelation that[[spoiler: he has been dead since 1994 and therefore his cultural knowledge would be pretty rooted in the early '90s culture]].
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* Why does Tate suddenly want Violet to stop cutting herself?[[spoiler: Because she's dead and can heal almost instantly. By stopping her from cutting he is lowering the risk of her discovering the truth.]]
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* Late in episode 3 after a miscarriage scare, Vivien offers a guest,[[spoiler: one of the girls who visited the abortionist who built the house in the 1920s]], 1920s, a cup of the mint and verbena tea she was making. As any pregnant woman, mother, prenatal specialist, or armchair apothecary knows, [[spoiler: the verbena plant known by that name is a highly effective abortifacent in large doses, and pregnant women are warned to keep away from even miniscule minuscule amounts of it]].it. -Tropers/{{JET73L}}
* Tate's constant references to Kurt Cobain and grunge-style clothes make more sense after the revelation that
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* Late in episode 3 after a miscarriage scare, Vivien offers a guest,
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* During her talk with [[spoiler:Ghost Vivien]] in "Afterbirth", Moira brings up a point about how Nora was unstable and her being a mother would have only worsened it. So, what would have happened if her and Charles's baby wasn't kidnapped?
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* During her talk with [[spoiler:Ghost Vivien]] Ghost Vivien in "Afterbirth", Moira brings up a point about how Nora was unstable and her being a mother would have only worsened it. So, what would have happened if her and Charles's baby wasn't kidnapped?
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* In the beginning of the season, Vivien has just had a miscarriage and it's what propels the whole plot forward. It's the first dip into the theme of children and the world of death and living. The whole series is wrapped around the idea of 'child death' (you can even see so in the credits) and loss of children, resurrection of children. It begins with a miscarriage and [[spoiler: ends with one when Vivien gives birth to twins and the anti-christ lives and goes into the real world, with Constance, and the other dies and lives with Vivien, finally giving her a child... but in order to have that baby she had to give her own life as well. Which, Nora also did, she killed the Infantata but then herself and her husband. The Murder House was a place of abortions under her husband, Charles.]] The whole show is about miscarriage - a place between living/creation and death, and the stillness-trap in between. The [[spoiler: anti-christ]] is how the show ends and it is made of life and death.
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* In the beginning of the season, Vivien has just had a miscarriage and it's what propels the whole plot forward. It's the first dip into the theme of children and the world of death and living. The whole series is wrapped around the idea of 'child death' (you can even see so in the credits) and loss of children, resurrection of children. It begins with a miscarriage and [[spoiler: ends with one when Vivien gives birth to twins and the anti-christ lives and goes into the real world, with Constance, and the other dies and lives with Vivien, finally giving her a child... but in order to have that baby she had to give her own life as well. Which, Nora also did, she killed the Infantata but then herself and her husband. The Murder House was a place of abortions under her husband, Charles.]] The whole show is about miscarriage - a place between living/creation and death, and the stillness-trap in between. The [[spoiler: anti-christ]] anti-christ is how the show ends and it is made of life and death.
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* Tate is a [[spoiler: sociopath]] right? Guess who he inherited it from? Constance. She has several red flags to being one too. First her [[spoiler: murdering Moira and tormenting her as a ghost]], second [[spoiler: making Addie where a mask to hide her face during Halloween which ended up distorting her view of things around her, if Constance hadn't mourned her so much it could have even been seen as on purpose.]] she didn't watch her that night either. It's common for sociopaths to have multiple children and even a case study of a woman losing six to violence that she hadn't performed herself but stood and watched as they were killed (just to have more). Constance may not be a full sociopath but she definitely has some traces of being one.
** Plus trying to [[spoiler: poison]] Violet, not warning the Harmons more and defending Tate [[spoiler: even after he shot up a whole school]].
* In the final scene Constance gives a speech about how all her life she had a feeling she was bound for greatness, at first through her dream to be a famous actress and then tragedy 'prepared her'. It seems strange right? But compared to how [[spoiler: the Dahlia and her ex-boy toy]] took their deaths happily knowing they'd be famous it starts to make sense... maybe Constance means because her son is [[spoiler: the anti-christ]] which she knows. Even if it sets the world in flames ("destined for greatness") it will make her famous too.
** Her behavior as an enabler for her husband, for [[spoiler: Tate]] has finalized in her being an enabler for the ultimate form of evil...
* At the end of the season [[spoiler: The Harmons, Moira and the other good ghosts decide to scare people from living in the house to protect them from the evil ghosts.]] The house will eventually be sold to a property developer, and we don't know what will happen to them. At best, they're released. At worst, they're going to spend eternity on an empty plot of land or in an apartment building that will eventually be demolished when people refuse to stay there more than a couple of nights.
** Plus trying to [[spoiler: poison]] Violet, not warning the Harmons more and defending Tate [[spoiler: even after he shot up a whole school]].
* In the final scene Constance gives a speech about how all her life she had a feeling she was bound for greatness, at first through her dream to be a famous actress and then tragedy 'prepared her'. It seems strange right? But compared to how [[spoiler: the Dahlia and her ex-boy toy]] took their deaths happily knowing they'd be famous it starts to make sense... maybe Constance means because her son is [[spoiler: the anti-christ]] which she knows. Even if it sets the world in flames ("destined for greatness") it will make her famous too.
** Her behavior as an enabler for her husband, for [[spoiler: Tate]] has finalized in her being an enabler for the ultimate form of evil...
* At the end of the season [[spoiler: The Harmons, Moira and the other good ghosts decide to scare people from living in the house to protect them from the evil ghosts.]] The house will eventually be sold to a property developer, and we don't know what will happen to them. At best, they're released. At worst, they're going to spend eternity on an empty plot of land or in an apartment building that will eventually be demolished when people refuse to stay there more than a couple of nights.
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* Tate is a [[spoiler: sociopath]] sociopath right? Guess who he inherited it from? Constance. She has several red flags to being one too. First her [[spoiler: murdering Moira and tormenting her as a ghost]], ghost, second [[spoiler: making Addie where a mask to hide her face during Halloween which ended up distorting her view of things around her, if Constance hadn't mourned her so much it could have even been seen as on purpose.]] purpose. she didn't watch her that night either. It's common for sociopaths to have multiple children and even a case study of a woman losing six to violence that she hadn't performed herself but stood and watched as they were killed (just to have more). Constance may not be a full sociopath but she definitely has some traces of being one.
** Plus trying to[[spoiler: poison]] poison Violet, not warning the Harmons more and defending Tate [[spoiler: even after he shot up a whole school]].
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* In the final scene Constance gives a speech about how all her life she had a feeling she was bound for greatness, at first through her dream to be a famous actress and then tragedy 'prepared her'. It seems strange right? But compared to how[[spoiler: the Dahlia and her ex-boy toy]] toy took their deaths happily knowing they'd be famous it starts to make sense... maybe Constance means because her son is [[spoiler: the anti-christ]] anti-christ which she knows. Even if it sets the world in flames ("destined for greatness") it will make her famous too.
** Her behavior as an enabler for her husband, for[[spoiler: Tate]] Tate has finalized in her being an enabler for the ultimate form of evil...
* At the end of the season[[spoiler: The Harmons, Moira and the other good ghosts decide to scare people from living in the house to protect them from the evil ghosts.]] ghosts. The house will eventually be sold to a property developer, and we don't know what will happen to them. At best, they're released. At worst, they're going to spend eternity on an empty plot of land or in an apartment building that will eventually be demolished when people refuse to stay there more than a couple of nights.
** Plus trying to
* In the final scene Constance gives a speech about how all her life she had a feeling she was bound for greatness, at first through her dream to be a famous actress and then tragedy 'prepared her'. It seems strange right? But compared to how
** Her behavior as an enabler for her husband, for
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** Actually Verbena in tea is also used to help stimulate milk flow in pregnant woman.women. It is also a kind of alternative medicine promoted for its effect on health. Given that Vivien is quite gung ho about using natural remedies, it makes sense she would be drinking it.
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* Tate feigns interest in yaoi and offers to have sex with Patrick, but Tate's murder-by-poker-rape is incredibly homophobic. Why did he do something so horrible, even for him? To try to curry favor with the genuinely homophobic Constance.
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* Tate feigns interest in yaoi and offers to have sex with Patrick, but Tate's murder-by-poker-rape is incredibly homophobic. Why did he do something so horrible, even for him? To try to curry favor with the genuinely homophobic Constance.Constance.
* The stillborn baby will never age past the newborn stage. He will never develop cognitively, never gain fine motor control, probably never even learn to focus his eyes enough for the world to ever make sense.
* The stillborn baby will never age past the newborn stage. He will never develop cognitively, never gain fine motor control, probably never even learn to focus his eyes enough for the world to ever make sense.
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** Not necessarily. A lot of people during that time grew up in quite formal and distant households. Children were to be seen but not heard. Doesn't mean Thaddeus would have grown up to become a ''killer''.
