History Fridge / AmericanGods

7th May '17 4:34:12 PM Discar
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!! The book



* Gods are created because people believe in them. So all those horror stories and urban legends that are convincing enough to make people believe in them might become real as well.

!!The series

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* Gods are created because people believe in them. So all those horror stories and urban legends that are convincing enough to make people believe in them might become real as well.

!!The series
well.
7th May '17 2:29:58 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''Literature/AmericanGods'', the reason Laura is so blase about killing anyone who poses a threat to [=ShadowPuppy=] is that she's already died, and it seems like it wasn't any big deal to her, so why should it be any big deal to her for making other people have died? Either she went to some sort of heaven despite being an adulteress and being guilty of manslaughter and figures anyone who couldn't make it had to ''really'' have deserved not getting in, went to some sort of purgatory and figured that it wasn't all that bad, went to some sort of hell and got [[BreakTheCutie broken]], or went to oblivion or some sort of waiting room and figured it was no worse than life.
7th May '17 2:28:34 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* "Speaking of Bielebog, have you heard anything from him?" Wednesday knows full well, of course, that Czernobog ''hasn't'' heard from him. But it goes further: Recall that [[spoiler:Bielebog only resurfaces when winter/the storm is over. But the storm was from the heightened conflict between the old and new gods coming to a head -- that is, the series of events that Low-Key and Wednesday fabricated. It's Wednesday's fault that Bielebog has been missing, and he's using that knowledge to convince Czernobog to participate in the war.]] Wow.

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* "Speaking of Bielebog, have you heard anything from him?" Wednesday knows full well, of course, that Czernobog ''hasn't'' heard from him. But it goes further: Recall that [[spoiler:Bielebog only resurfaces when winter/the storm is over. But the storm was from the heightened conflict between the old and new gods coming to a head -- that is, the series of events that Low-Key and Wednesday fabricated. It's Wednesday's fault that Bielebog has been missing, and he's using that knowledge to convince Czernobog to participate in the war.]] Wow.]]
7th May '17 2:28:11 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''Literature/AmericanGods'', the reason Laura is so blase about killing anyone who poses a threat to [=ShadowPuppy=] is that she's already died, and it seems like it wasn't any big deal to her, so why should it be any big deal to her for making other people have died? Either she went to some sort of heaven despite being an adulteress and being guilty of manslaughter and figures anyone who couldn't make it had to ''really'' have deserved not getting in, went to some sort of purgatory and figured that it wasn't all that bad, went to some sort of hell and got [[BreakTheCutie broken]], or went to oblivion or some sort of waiting room and figured it was no worse than life. -JET73L

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* In ''Literature/AmericanGods'', the reason Laura is so blase about killing anyone who poses a threat to [=ShadowPuppy=] is that she's already died, and it seems like it wasn't any big deal to her, so why should it be any big deal to her for making other people have died? Either she went to some sort of heaven despite being an adulteress and being guilty of manslaughter and figures anyone who couldn't make it had to ''really'' have deserved not getting in, went to some sort of purgatory and figured that it wasn't all that bad, went to some sort of hell and got [[BreakTheCutie broken]], or went to oblivion or some sort of waiting room and figured it was no worse than life. -JET73L
7th May '17 2:27:33 PM CaptainCrawdad
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!! The book

'''FridgeBrilliance''':



** Recently, I was reading the ''Literature/ProseEdda'' and came across the part where Odin is on the tree. For the duration the Eagle of Wisdom perches on the topmost branches. Shadow? He gets a crazed hawk whose symbol protects the dead in the afterlife and also works against evil. - Delyse
** Maybe she's not aware of any afterlife but just doesn't care about the difference between a person being alive and being dead, the way a living person does. Imagine if she didn't have a sense of smell and had the ability to stop people getting in her way by turning them anosmic: Intellectually she might recognize that it's inconvenient for them, although not the biggest deal in the world and she wishes they wouldn't be such big babies about it, but beyond that she's fundamentally incapable of fully understanding what smells are and how the body experiences smells and honestly doesn't get why it is a thing people care about at all.

* ''Aunt Nancy''. I had to face-palm when I figured out who it was - ''duh''! Clever, Gaiman.
** Same with Low-Key Lyesmith. I wanted to bang my head against the wall for not noticing sooner.
** The internal screaming when it strikes you that ''{{Literature/Laura}}'' was a famous film adaptation (with an even more famous theme song) about a detective slowly falling in love with the beautiful murder victim whose death he's investigating [[spoiler: only to have the "dead" Laura walk in about halfway through the film, unaware that she's supposed to be dead.]]

* Easter resurrecting Shadow -- she's the goddess of fertility, not much she could do, right? Right - until you remember she's ''also'' the goddess of resurrection.
** You don't even have to have a degree in mythology to see it coming. Resurrected ''by'' Easter, resurrected ''on'' Easter...either way, someone's comin' back from the dead today.

* Why would would [[LouisCypher Low Key Lyesmith]], aka the [[Myth/NorseMythology Norse trickster Loki]] be such a fan of Creator/{{Herodotus}}? Well, why wouldn't one Father of Lies appreciate another! It made this history major giggle, anyway...

* It recently struck me how cruelly-manipulative this innocent statement was: "Speaking of Bielebog, have you heard anything from him?" Wednesday knows full well, of course, that Czernobog ''hasn't'' heard from him. But it goes further: Recall that [[spoiler:Bielebog only resurfaces when winter/the storm is over. But the storm was from the heightened conflict between the old and new gods coming to a head -- that is, the series of events that Low-Key and Wednesday fabricated. It's Wednesday's fault that Bielebog has been missing, and he's using that knowledge to convince Czernobog to participate in the war.]] Wow.
** Damn. Never even thought of it that way! Wednesday is NOT a nice guy...

* FridgeHorror: gods are created because people believe in them. So all those horror stories and urban legends that are convincing enough to make people believe in them...
** Some NightmareRetardant, don't forget Myth/PaulBunyan. Famous and widespread stories aren't enough. The people need to actually believe they exist to an extent. So it is unlikely Freddy exists, but some convincing Creepypastas....
*** For further retardant, consider that while gods are created by the act of imagining them, they're ''sustained'' by prayer and worship. When people get through their day only by the hope that in the end they'll get to sit down in front of the TV and turn their brain off and that kind of thing; feeling intense and repeated emotions about, building a ritualistic habits around, sacrificing to and seeing as something bigger and better and more important than yourself an object gives this object power over you, and I imagine it's precisely this power which if it can be wielded by a sentient being gives that being what we'd call godlike powers, such as the power to manifest physically. It'll be a while until people start building altars to Slenderman's glory.
*** Elmo, on the other hand...

* FridgeBrilliance: why do the Valkyries appear as helicopters? Because the gods are shaped by human belief and ''Music/RideOfTheValkyries'' has become so synonymous [[Film/ApocalypseNow with dramatic scenes involving helicopters]] that, to Americans, Valkyries and helicopters are one and the same.

* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeLogic makes you realize that it is really weird that everyone would call Shadow that, even prison officials, but it makes a lot of sense when his divine identity is revealed and you think of [[IKnowYourTrueName the power of names]]. Something similar but less cool is the case with "Fat Charlie" in the "sequel" ''Literature/AnansiBoys''- in both cases, there's something like a PerceptionFilter that affects other people that [[TomatoInTheMirror they aren't initially aware of]], that makes it so that people can't help but think of Shadow as "Shadow", and can't help but see Fat Charlie as fat even though he's thin.

* FridgeBrilliance: While it is a SignatureStyle for Neil Gaiman characters to be intellectuals, the fact that a lot of deities are very well read makes sense given that gods are traditionally known for their Wisdom, which in practice means that they will have elements of TheProfessor in terms of knowledge. Similarly, the fact that Shadow is a god makes him a justified and literal GodModeSue- among other things, he is [[GeniusBruiser both very strong and very intelligent]], [[BornLucky naturally lucky]], and [[ChickMagnet seemingly irresistible to women]].

* FridgeBrilliance: Shadow has a pretty crappy deal. His wife dies, then he finds out she cheated on him, then her mother blames him for the whole thing, then he gets beat up and humiliated by people he doesn't know. Get this: turns out he's [[spoiler:Wednesday's son, and "Wednesday's child is full of woe"]]. Impressed with Neil Gaiman yet?

* FridgeBrilliance: I actually just figured this out from reading the book and then the character page: Czernobog and [[spoiler:Hinzelmann]] are foils. Both are {{Cool Old Guy}}s. Both are powered by sacrifice. Both have a duality theme going on (Czernobog: light and dark, [[spoiler:Hinzelmann]]: age and battered youth). One is a GrumpyOldMan who, [[AxCrazy violent tendencies aside]], [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold isn't so bad once you get to know him]], the other is a BitchInSheepsClothing and a StepfordSmiler. But what really got me thinking was the VegetarianVampire blurb under Czernobog's entry on the character sheet: "after his followers dried up, he worked at a slaughterhouse rather than becoming a SerialKiller." Now with that in mind, what did [[spoiler: Hinzelmann]] [[SerialKiller do?]] - @/{{g3m1n1}}

* FridgeBrilliance: Why does Czernobog like checkers so much? It's an abstract battle between black and white.

* When Czernobog and Anansi are arguing over what to listen to on the radio, it is mentioned that Czernobog prefers classical music, especially gloomy pieces. In the film Fantasia the sequence set to the very gloomy "Night on Bald Mountain" features Czernobog awakening.

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* Names:
** Recently, I was reading the ''Literature/ProseEdda'' and came across the part where Odin is on the tree. For the duration the Eagle of Wisdom perches on the topmost branches. Shadow? He gets a crazed hawk whose symbol protects the dead in the afterlife and also works against evil. - Delyse
** Maybe she's not aware of any afterlife but just doesn't care about the difference between a person being alive and being dead, the way a living person does. Imagine if she didn't have a sense of smell and had the ability to stop people getting in her way by turning them anosmic: Intellectually she might recognize that it's inconvenient for them, although not the biggest deal in the world and she wishes they wouldn't be such big babies about it, but beyond that she's fundamentally incapable of fully understanding what smells are and how the body experiences smells and honestly doesn't get why it is a thing people care about at all.

*
''Aunt Nancy''. Nancy'': Anansi I had to face-palm when I figured out who it was - ''duh''! Clever, Gaiman.
** Same with Low-Key Lyesmith. I wanted to bang my head against Loki, the wall for not noticing sooner.
** The internal screaming when it strikes you that ''{{Literature/Laura}}'' was
liar (ie, a famous film adaptation (with an even more famous theme song) about a detective slowly falling in love with the beautiful murder victim whose death he's investigating [[spoiler: only to have the "dead" Laura walk in about halfway through the film, unaware that she's supposed to be dead.]]

smith of lies)
* Easter resurrecting Shadow -- she's Shadow. Easter is the goddess of fertility, not much she could do, right? Right - until you remember she's ''also'' the goddess resurrection. The Christian holiday of Easter also celebrates Jesus' resurrection.
** You don't even have to have a degree in mythology to see it coming. Resurrected ''by'' Easter, resurrected ''on'' Easter...either way, someone's comin' back from the dead today.

* Why would would [[LouisCypher Low Key Lyesmith]], aka the [[Myth/NorseMythology Norse trickster Loki]] be such a fan of Creator/{{Herodotus}}? Well, why wouldn't one Father Due to immense amount of Lies appreciate another! It made this history major giggle, anyway...

creative license that Herodotus took with his history, he's known ruefully among historians as "the father of lies."
* It recently struck me how cruelly-manipulative this innocent statement was: "Speaking of Bielebog, have you heard anything from him?" Wednesday knows full well, of course, that Czernobog ''hasn't'' heard from him. But it goes further: Recall that [[spoiler:Bielebog only resurfaces when winter/the storm is over. But the storm was from the heightened conflict between the old and new gods coming to a head -- that is, the series of events that Low-Key and Wednesday fabricated. It's Wednesday's fault that Bielebog has been missing, and he's using that knowledge to convince Czernobog to participate in the war.]] Wow.
** Damn. Never even thought of it that way! Wednesday is NOT a nice guy...

* FridgeHorror: gods are created because people believe in them. So all those horror stories and urban legends that are convincing enough to make people believe in them...
** Some NightmareRetardant, don't forget Myth/PaulBunyan. Famous and widespread stories aren't enough. The people need to actually believe they exist to an extent. So it is unlikely Freddy exists, but some convincing Creepypastas....
*** For further retardant, consider that while gods are created by the act of imagining them, they're ''sustained'' by prayer and worship. When people get through their day only by the hope that in the end they'll get to sit down in front of the TV and turn their brain off and that kind of thing; feeling intense and repeated emotions about, building a ritualistic habits around, sacrificing to and seeing as something bigger and better and more important than yourself an object gives this object power over you, and I imagine it's precisely this power which if it can be wielded by a sentient being gives that being what we'd call godlike powers, such as the power to manifest physically. It'll be a while until people start building altars to Slenderman's glory.
*** Elmo, on the other hand...

* FridgeBrilliance: why
Why do the Valkyries appear as helicopters? Because the gods are shaped by human belief and ''Music/RideOfTheValkyries'' has become so synonymous [[Film/ApocalypseNow with dramatic scenes involving helicopters]] that, to Americans, Valkyries and helicopters are one and the same.

same.
* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeLogic makes you realize that it is really weird that everyone would call Everyone calls Shadow that, even prison officials, but it makes a lot of sense when his divine identity is revealed and you think of given the [[IKnowYourTrueName the established power of names]]. Something similar but less cool This is the case also seen with "Fat Charlie" in the "sequel" ''Literature/AnansiBoys''- in ''Literature/AnansiBoys''. In both cases, there's something like a PerceptionFilter that affects other people that [[TomatoInTheMirror they aren't initially aware of]], that makes it so that people can't help but think of Shadow as "Shadow", and can't help but see Fat Charlie as fat "Fat Charlie" even though he's thin.

thin.
* FridgeBrilliance: While it is a SignatureStyle for Neil Gaiman characters to be intellectuals, the fact that a lot of deities are very well read makes sense given that gods are traditionally known for their Wisdom, which in practice means that they will have elements of TheProfessor in terms of knowledge. Similarly, the fact that Shadow is a god makes him a justified and literal GodModeSue- among other things, he is [[GeniusBruiser both very strong and very intelligent]], [[BornLucky naturally lucky]], and [[ChickMagnet seemingly irresistible to women]].

* FridgeBrilliance:
Shadow has a pretty crappy deal. His wife dies, then he finds out she cheated on him, then her mother blames him for the whole thing, then he gets beat up and humiliated by people he doesn't know. Get this: turns out he's [[spoiler:Wednesday's son, and "Wednesday's child is full of woe"]]. Impressed with Neil Gaiman yet?

* FridgeBrilliance: I actually just figured this out
woe"]] is a line from reading the book and then the character page: Czernobog and [[spoiler:Hinzelmann]] are foils. Both are {{Cool Old Guy}}s. Both are powered by sacrifice. Both have a duality theme going on (Czernobog: light and dark, [[spoiler:Hinzelmann]]: age and battered youth). One is a GrumpyOldMan who, [[AxCrazy violent tendencies aside]], [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold isn't so bad once you get to know him]], the other is a BitchInSheepsClothing and a StepfordSmiler. But what really got me thinking was the VegetarianVampire blurb under Czernobog's entry on the character sheet: "after his followers dried up, he worked at a slaughterhouse rather than becoming a SerialKiller." Now with that in mind, what did [[spoiler: Hinzelmann]] [[SerialKiller do?]] - @/{{g3m1n1}}

[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday%27s_Child traditional nursery rhyme]].
* FridgeBrilliance: Why does Czernobog like checkers so much? It's an abstract battle between black and white.

white.
* When Czernobog and Anansi are arguing over what to listen to on the radio, it is mentioned that Czernobog prefers classical music, especially gloomy pieces. In the film Fantasia ''Film/{{Fantasia}}'', the sequence set to the very gloomy "Night on Bald Mountain" features Czernobog awakening.
awakening.




* FridgeBrilliance: When you realize that the word "Wednesday" is derived from "Odin's Day", and learn that Mr. Wednesday is Odin.

* FridgeHorror: When you realize the power of blood sacrifice means the mindless, brutal, pollution-breathed car gods are ''the most powerful gods to ever exist''.
** What about the gods of airplanes?
*** Airplanes don't cause as many deaths. In fact, if you go with percentages, airplanes are much safer than cars.
** Sacrifices have to be intended, though, not just accidents. You have to ''mean'' to sacrifice something, and most people in crashes aren't planning to kill themselves or someone else in the name of the car gods. [[spoiler:That's why the whole shuffle with getting the big battle dedicated to Wednesday and Lye-smith; if it was 'just' a battle, it wouldn't have meant anything to them.]]
*** But if one little car cult pops up... and so much as says "these and all such future deaths were a sacrifice for our transportation" while referring to the accidents....(I'm not exaggerating, people have formed stranger cults. Not more than a decade ago, a man, for no reason whatsoever, invented a steam powered bike. It quickly gathered a small cult on the local level)
*** Every God seems to have different requirements for what constitutes a "sacrifice." (For example, Anansi, he be likin' them to be telling tales about how smart he is.) When someone drives too fast or recklessly, when they joyride or drag-race or when someone drives drunk they are engaging in the thrills of "car-culture." And anyone who dies as a result of that "worship" of car culture could be considered a sacrifice to the car gods.

* FridgeBrilliance: Reading the novel several times, I always found the chapter with Salim and the ifrit ambiguous about whether the ifrit just used Salim and threw him under the bus (remember, the taxi driver who dies shortly after their meeting is implied to be Salim killed in the ifrit's place or as an ifrit if he was fully made one) or there was something more on his part. But actually, that's the whole point, we ''aren't'' supposed to know for sure one way or the other, as jinns/ifrits operate on a ''completely'' different moral code than humans and anyways it is said that even the best of them (because yeah there's better and worse ones out there) can be worse than an average human.

* FridgeBrilliance: Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.

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\n* FridgeBrilliance: When you realize that the word "Wednesday" is derived from "Odin's Day", and learn that Mr. Wednesday is Odin.

* FridgeHorror: When you realize the power of blood sacrifice means the mindless, brutal, pollution-breathed car gods are ''the most powerful gods to ever exist''.
** What about the gods of airplanes?
*** Airplanes don't cause as many deaths. In fact, if you go with percentages, airplanes are much safer than cars.
** Sacrifices have to be intended, though, not just accidents. You have to ''mean'' to sacrifice something, and most people in crashes aren't planning to kill themselves or someone else in the name of the car gods. [[spoiler:That's why the whole shuffle with getting the big battle dedicated to Wednesday and Lye-smith; if it was 'just' a battle, it wouldn't have meant anything to them.]]
*** But if one little car cult pops up... and so much as says "these and all such future deaths were a sacrifice for our transportation" while referring to the accidents....(I'm not exaggerating, people have formed stranger cults. Not more than a decade ago, a man, for no reason whatsoever, invented a steam powered bike. It quickly gathered a small cult on the local level)
*** Every God seems to have different requirements for what constitutes a "sacrifice." (For example, Anansi, he be likin' them to be telling tales about how smart he is.) When someone drives too fast or recklessly, when they joyride or drag-race or when someone drives drunk they are engaging in the thrills of "car-culture." And anyone who dies as a result of that "worship" of car culture could be considered a sacrifice to the car gods.

* FridgeBrilliance: Reading the novel several times, I always found the chapter with Salim and the ifrit ambiguous about whether the ifrit just used Salim and threw him under the bus (remember, the taxi driver who dies shortly after their meeting is implied to be Salim killed in the ifrit's place or as an ifrit if he was fully made one) or there was something more on his part. But actually, that's the whole point, we ''aren't'' supposed to know for sure one way or the other, as jinns/ifrits operate on a ''completely'' different moral code than humans and anyways it is said that even the best of them (because yeah there's better and worse ones out there) can be worse than an average human.

* FridgeBrilliance:
Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.applicable.

'''FridgeHorror''':
* Gods are created because people believe in them. So all those horror stories and urban legends that are convincing enough to make people believe in them might become real as well.

!!The series
2nd May '17 2:44:01 PM Gamezfan
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* Fridgebrilliance: Shadow is the American Baldur. Laura is his wife, who happens to be undead. Guess who Balder's wife in norse myth is? Hel, the goddess of the dead!
1st May '17 5:40:45 AM fbiuzz
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* FridgeBrilliance: Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.

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* FridgeBrilliance: *Fridgebrilliance: Shadow is the American Baldur. Laura is his wife, who happens to be undead. Guess who Balder's wife in norse myth is? Hel, the goddess of the dead!
*FridgeBrilliance:
Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.
1st May '17 5:40:45 AM fbiuzz
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* Fridgebrilliance: Shadow is the American Baldur. Laura is his wife, who happens to be undead. Guess who Balder's wife in norse myth is? Hel, the goddess of the dead!
* FridgeBrilliance: Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.

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* Fridgebrilliance: *Fridgebrilliance: Shadow is the American Baldur. Laura is his wife, who happens to be undead. Guess who Balder's wife in norse myth is? Hel, the goddess of the dead!
* FridgeBrilliance: *FridgeBrilliance: Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.
30th Apr '17 9:25:39 AM akanesarumara
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* FridgeBrilliance: Reading the novel several times, I always found the chapter with Salim and the ifrit ambiguous about whether the ifrit just used Salim and threw him under the bus (remember, the taxi driver who dies shortly after their meeting is implied to be Salim killed in the ifrit's place or as an ifrit if he was fully made one) or there was something more on his part. But actually, that's the whole point, we ''aren't'' supposed to know for sure one way or the other, as jinns/ifrits operate on a ''completely'' different moral code than humans and anyways it is said that even the best of them (because yeah there's better and worse ones out there) can be worse than an average human.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Reading the novel several times, I always found the chapter with Salim and the ifrit ambiguous about whether the ifrit just used Salim and threw him under the bus (remember, the taxi driver who dies shortly after their meeting is implied to be Salim killed in the ifrit's place or as an ifrit if he was fully made one) or there was something more on his part. But actually, that's the whole point, we ''aren't'' supposed to know for sure one way or the other, as jinns/ifrits operate on a ''completely'' different moral code than humans and anyways it is said that even the best of them (because yeah there's better and worse ones out there) can be worse than an average human.human.

* FridgeBrilliance: Mad Sweeney ''was'' supposed to have given Shadow that special gold coin. Remember how it brought back Laura? [[spoiler: That was to be Shadow's original ticket back from the dead after he did Mr. Wednesday's vigil, before he gave it away, as well as the Sun itself, belonging to Shadow as Balder by right.]] Zorya Polunochnaya explicitly says that her silver Liberty dollar (the Moon) can only give a much smaller protection, and indeed, it never brings anyone back from the dead, only keeps them alive and calls help if applicable.
30th Apr '17 9:09:38 AM akanesarumara
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*** Every God seems to have different requirements for what constitutes a "sacrifice." (For example, Anansi, he be likin' them to be telling tales about how smart he is.) When someone drives too fast or recklessly, when they joyride or drag-race or when someone drives drunk they are engaging in the thrills of "car-culture." And anyone who dies as a result of that "worship" of car culture could be considered a sacrifice to the car gods.

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*** Every God seems to have different requirements for what constitutes a "sacrifice." (For example, Anansi, he be likin' them to be telling tales about how smart he is.) When someone drives too fast or recklessly, when they joyride or drag-race or when someone drives drunk they are engaging in the thrills of "car-culture." And anyone who dies as a result of that "worship" of car culture could be considered a sacrifice to the car gods.gods.

* FridgeBrilliance: Reading the novel several times, I always found the chapter with Salim and the ifrit ambiguous about whether the ifrit just used Salim and threw him under the bus (remember, the taxi driver who dies shortly after their meeting is implied to be Salim killed in the ifrit's place or as an ifrit if he was fully made one) or there was something more on his part. But actually, that's the whole point, we ''aren't'' supposed to know for sure one way or the other, as jinns/ifrits operate on a ''completely'' different moral code than humans and anyways it is said that even the best of them (because yeah there's better and worse ones out there) can be worse than an average human.
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