** Tywin Lannister's father was a good man who had his kind nature frequently taken advantage of and who was mocked by even his own bannermen for his perceived weakness. After his father's kindness nearly brought their house to ruin, it was up to Tywin to restore the glory of the Lannister House, no matter how ruthlessly he had to act in order to do so. Tywin also served as Hand to the Mad King, Aerys Targaryen, and had his successful efforts to stabilize the realm rewarded by Aerys treating him as nothing more than a servant whose daughter was unfit to marry into Aerys's family. It doesn't help that Joanna, the love of Tywin's life, fell prey to DeathByChildBirth while delivering his dwarf son, Tyrion, leading to Tywin's hatred of his youngest son.
** Cersei Lannister has spent her entire life horrified that a prophecy about her future would come to pass. She was told, at a young age, that [[spoiler:all of her children would die before she would and that she would be killed by her younger brother]]. This explains both her overprotectiveness of her children and her absolute loathing of Tyrion. Additionally, her twin brother is the love of her life, but Cersei was forced to hide their relationship while being involved in a loveless, political marriage with the alcoholic, and sometimes abusive, King Robert Baratheon.
** Sandor Clegane was mutilated at a young age by his psychopathic, older brother, Gregor, who burned off half of Sandor's face for playing with one of Gregor's discarded toys. Sandor's father and little sister are also implied to have been murdered by Gregor, and Sandor, who grew up witnessing his CompleteMonster of a brother be rewarded for his atrocities with a knighthood, has become convinced that all knights are monsters who kill for the pleasure of it. Sandor believes that neither gods nor nobility exist in the world and that only the strong are able to do as they wish.

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** Tywin Lannister's father was a good man who had his kind nature frequently taken advantage of and who was mocked by even his own bannermen for his perceived weakness. After his father's kindness nearly brought their house to ruin, it was up to Tywin to restore the glory of the Lannister House, no matter how ruthlessly he had to act in order to do so. Tywin also served as Hand to the Mad King, Aerys Targaryen, and had his successful efforts to stabilize the realm rewarded by Aerys treating him as nothing more than a servant whose daughter was unfit to marry into Aerys's family. The best part of him, inspired by his love for his wife, Joanna, is said to have died when she did.
** Cersei Lannister has spent her entire life horrified that a prophecy about her future would come to pass. She was told, at a young age, that [[spoiler:all of her children would die before she would and that she would be killed by her younger brother]]. This explains both her ''extreme'' overprotectiveness of her children and her absolute loathing of Tyrion.
** Sandor Clegane was mutilated at a young age by his psychopathic, older brother, Gregor, who burned off half of Sandor's face for playing with one of Gregor's discarded toys. Sandor's father and little sister are also implied to have been murdered by Gregor, and Sandor, who grew up witnessing his CompleteMonster of a brother be rewarded for his atrocities with a knighthood, has become convinced that all knights are monsters who kill for the pleasure of it. For these reasons Sandor believes that neither gods nor nobility exist in the world and that only the strong are able to do as they wish, so he embraces his BloodKnight tendencies.

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* The StarTrekNovelVerse essentially uses this trope for whole societies. Few cultures in StarTrek are "evil" by nature, but the traumas of their development often forge them into unpleasant antagonistic societies (an idea that may have started in ''StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' as the Founders' StartOfDarkness came from their desire to impose order and safety in a galaxy that persecuted them). Fear and hurt on a civilization-wide level, leading to a culture lashing out in aggression and conflict, is a staple theme, particularly in portrayals of the Cardassians and Klingons. In fact, whole ongoing sagas explore these two societies coming to terms with themselves and their deep-stated fears. The Tholians, Romulans and even Borg have also had their "Freudian excuses" explored. Greatly simplified, for Klingons it's the Hur'q invasion, for Cardassians the climatic catastrophe that nearly starved them, for Tholians oppression by the Shedai, for Romulans the difficulties of the exodus from Vulcan. As for the Borg, see StarTrekDestiny.

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* The StarTrekNovelVerse essentially uses this trope for whole societies. Few cultures in Franchise/StarTrek are "evil" by nature, but the traumas of their development often forge them into unpleasant antagonistic societies (an idea that may have started in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' as the Founders' StartOfDarkness came from their desire to impose order and safety in a galaxy that persecuted them). Fear and hurt on a civilization-wide level, leading to a culture lashing out in aggression and conflict, is a staple theme, particularly in portrayals of the Cardassians and Klingons. In fact, whole ongoing sagas explore these two societies coming to terms with themselves and their deep-stated fears. The Tholians, Romulans and even Borg have also had their "Freudian excuses" explored. Greatly simplified, for Klingons it's the Hur'q invasion, for Cardassians the climatic catastrophe that nearly starved them, for Tholians oppression by the Shedai, for Romulans the difficulties of the exodus from Vulcan. As for the Borg, see StarTrekDestiny.

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** Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish originally came from a small house but was fostered at House Tully for much of his childhood. While there, he was frequently mocked for his family's poor standing. Petyr fell in love with Catelyn Tully, but Catelyn only loved Petyr like a brother. When Petyr, urged on by stories of knights and adventure, attempted to duel for her hand against her then fiancée, Petyr was left scarred but alive at Catelyn's urging. While delusional and recovering from his duel, Petyr was taken advantage of sexually by Lysa Tully, who became pregnant with his child but was forced to abort it at her father's insistence. In retribution for his duel, Petyr was sent back to his poor house and Catelyn cut off all contact with him. These events helped turn Petyr from a young boy who loved stories of knighthood and romance, into a Machiavellian schemer who believes political plots are the only way to gain power.
* The StarTrekNovelVerse essentially uses this trope for whole societies. Few cultures in StarTrek are "evil" by nature, but the traumas of their development often forge them into unpleasant antagonistic societies (an idea that may have started in ''StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' as the Founders' StartOfDarkness came from their desire to impose order and safety in a galaxy that persecuted them). Fear and hurt on a civilization-wide level, leading to a culture lashing out in aggression and conflict, is a staple theme, particularly in portrayals of the Cardassians and Klingons. In fact, whole ongoing sagas explore these two societies coming to terms with themselves and their deep-stated fears. The Tholians, Romulans and even Borg have also had their "Freudian excuses" explored. Greatly simplified, for Klingons it's the Hur'q invasion, for Cardassians the climatic catastrophe that nearly starved them, for Tholians oppression by the Shedai, for Romulans the difficulties of the exodus from Vulcan. As for the Borg, see StarTrekDestiny.

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* Maelstrom, Mediochre's dragon-slaying ArchEnemy in ''Literature/TheGoodTheBadAndTheMediochre'', is so obsessed with killing dragons because his [[DoomedHometown village]] was destroyed by one. However, Charlotte does note that, tragic though it is, that doesn't excuse [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld over three centuries]] of monomaniacal, murderous douchebaggery.
*Given the BlackAndGrayMorality of ASongOfIceAndFire, such excuses are not uncommon.
**Tywin Lannister's father was a good man who had his kind nature frequently taken advantage of and who was mocked by even his own bannermen for his perceived weakness. After his father's kindness nearly brought their house to ruin, it was up to Tywin to restore the glory of the Lannister House, no matter how ruthlessly he had to act in order to do so. Tywin also served as Hand to the Mad King, Aerys Targaryen, and had his successful efforts to stabilize the realm rewarded by Aerys treating him as nothing more than a servant whose daughter was unfit to marry into Aerys's family. It doesn't help that Joanna, the love of Tywin's life, fell prey to DeathByChildBirth while delivering his dwarf son, Tyrion, leading to Tywin's hatred of his youngest son.
**Cersei Lannister has spent her entire life horrified that a prophecy about her future would come to pass. She was told, at a young age, that [[spoiler:all of her children would die before she would and that she would be killed by her younger brother]]. This explains both her overprotectiveness of her children and her absolute loathing of Tyrion. Additionally, her twin brother is the love of her life, but Cersei was forced to hide their relationship while being involved in a loveless, political marriage with the alcoholic, and sometimes abusive, King Robert Baratheon.
**Sandor Clegane was mutilated at a young age by his psychopathic, older brother, Gregor, who burned off half of Sandor's face for playing with one of Gregor's discarded toys. Sandor's father and little sister are also implied to have been murdered by Gregor, and Sandor, who grew up witnessing his CompleteMonster of a brother be rewarded for his atrocities with a knighthood, has become convinced that all knights are monsters who kill for the pleasure of it. Sandor believes that neither gods nor nobility exist in the world and that only the strong are able to do as they wish.
**Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish originally came from a small house but was fostered at House Tully for much of his childhood. While there, he was frequently mocked for his family's poor standing. Petyr fell in love with Catelyn Tully, but Catelyn only loved Petyr like a brother. When Petyr, urged on by stories of knights and adventure, attempted to duel for her hand against her then fiancée, Petyr was left scarred but alive at Catelyn's urging. While delusional and recovering from his duel, Petyr was taken advantage of sexually by Lysa Tully, who became pregnant with his child but was forced to abort it at her father's insistence. In retribution for his duel, Petyr was sent back to his poor house and Catelyn cut off all contact with him. These events helped turn Petyr from a young boy who loved stories of knighthood and romance, into a Machiavellian schemer who believes political plots are the only way to gain power.

16th Jan '13 7:23:24 AM Candi

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* ''PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' has ''Luke Castellan'', who for the first four books is just portrayed as a douche and a ManipulativeBastard, before the fifth and final book tells the pretty sad tale of his past. Ok, so he doesn't know his father, who left him with a insane, abusive mother who threatened him and never let him leave the house. Then, at just nine years old, he's forced to run away and live on the streets, in dangerous, cold New York. After that, he finally meets his father, who essentially tells him he wants nothing to do with him and won't help him. (Justified in that it's dangerous for the gods to intervene with their children, but Luke didn't know that). Shortly afterwards, one of his only friends is turned into a freakin' '''TREE'''. Then the gods give him a quest "just to keep him busy", which involves him getting permanently disfigured. At this point he's naturallyy annoyed at the gods and joins the Titans. And then, once one of his few real friends comes back to life, she tries to ''kill'' him. Damn. And when he finally decides to do a Heelfaceturn to save one of his friends (and consequently the world), he has to die for it. And while he's lying on the ground, the friend he just saved tells him she ''never'' loved him. Ouch.

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* ''PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' has ''Luke Castellan'', who for the first four books is just portrayed as a douche and a ManipulativeBastard, before the fifth and final book tells the pretty sad tale of his past. Ok, so he doesn't know his father, who left him with a insane, abusive mother who threatened him and never let him leave the house. Then, at just nine years old, he's forced to run away and live on the streets, in dangerous, cold New York. After that, he finally meets his father, who essentially tells him he wants nothing to do with him and won't help him. (Justified in that it's dangerous for the gods to intervene with their children, but Luke didn't know that). Shortly afterwards, one of his only friends is turned into a freakin' '''TREE'''. Then the gods give him a quest "just to keep him busy", which involves him getting permanently disfigured. At this point he's naturally annoyed at the gods and joins the Titans. And then, once one of his few real friends comes back to life, she tries to ''kill'' him. Damn. And when he finally decides to do a HeelFaceTurn to save one of his friends (and consequently the world), he has to die for it. And while he's lying on the ground, the friend he just saved tells him she ''never'' loved him. Ouch.

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