History FreudianExcuse / Literature

28th Aug '17 5:44:19 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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** Oh, it's worse than that: [[spoiler: Snape's only friend and love interest growing up was Lily Evans, but his poor lifestyle choices (hanging with would-be-Death Eaters and supporting their racist cause, even though that cause is racist against people like Lily) ended up pushing her away from him. Who'd she end up marrying? ''James Potter''. Harry is not only James' son, but the son of James ''and the woman Snape loved'', something Snape is always reminded of when looking at Harry (who has his father's face, but his mother's eyes.) To Snape's credit, Harry being Lily's son is also the reason he protects him, despite his bullying of him. Furthermore, he never blamed James for Lily, but blamed himself. This probably meant that even if Lily wasn't in the picture, Snape would still be TheResenter to James. ]]
** Invoked and consciously averted with Voldemort. His upbringing as an orphan was far from ideal, but others (most notably Harry himself) were brought up in worse conditions without using it as an excuse to become Wizard Hitler. And it's pretty clear he was just born a sociopath. In fact, he was the ''cause'' of most of the misery in the orphanage.

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** Oh, it's worse than that: [[spoiler: Snape was a very unpopular kid growing up, with his only real friend being Lily Evans, Harry's mother (who he had a crush on). He also hung out with a group of kids who would grow up to be Death Eaters, and absorbed their racist views- resulting in Lily breaking off their friendship when he called her a "mudblood". Lily later went on to marry James Potter, once Snape's only friend and love interest growing up was Lily Evans, but his poor lifestyle choices (hanging with would-be-Death Eaters and supporting their racist cause, even though that cause is racist against people like Lily) ended up pushing her away from him. Who'd she end up marrying? ''James Potter''. Harry is not only chief bully. Harry, having inherited James' son, looks but the son of James ''and the woman Lily's eyes, constantly reminds Snape loved'', something Snape is always reminded of when looking at Harry (who has his father's face, but his mother's eyes.) how he lost her. To Snape's credit, Harry being Lily's son is also the reason he protects him, despite his bullying of him. Furthermore, he never blamed James for Lily, but blamed himself. This probably meant that even if Lily wasn't in the picture, Snape would still be TheResenter to James. And ''then'', with nowhere else to go, he ended up becoming a Death Eater and overhearing part of a prophecy about a kid who'd grow up to defeat the Dark Lord- which Voldemort interpreted as referring to Lily's kid and deciding to kill her along with her family. Snape plead with him to spare her, but he ended up killing her when she wouldn't get out of his way and let him kill her one-year-old baby.]]
** Invoked and consciously averted with Voldemort. His upbringing as an orphan He was far from ideal, but others (most notably Harry himself) were conceived when his mother, a StalkerWithACrush, used a love potion on her crush. She was heartbroken when he left her and died in childbirth, leaving Tom to be raised at an orphanage. Though it's suggested that he might be TheSociopath partially because there was no love involved in his conception, his actual past is never brought up in worse conditions without using it as being an excuse to become Wizard Hitler. And it's pretty clear for what he did. The orphanage was just born a sociopath. In fact, he not pleasant, yes- but ''he was the ''cause'' of most of the misery worst thing in the orphanage. it'', having learned early how to manipulate magic in order to hurt others.


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** Filch is partially so mean to Hogwarts students because he's jealous- he himself is a [[MuggleBornOfMages Squib]].
11th Aug '17 8:14:36 PM TheJ0ker
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* ''Literature/{{Mavericks}} main protagonist, Jessica Napier, has her {{Jerkass}} tendencies implied to stem from her [[{{Tykebomb}} less than ideal]] childhood, her [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes mostly loving]] [[EvilMatriarch but still villainous mother]] and Blackburn in general being a ViceCity that keeps kicking her in the teeth.
5th Aug '17 4:29:46 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/{{Domina}}'':
** Quite a few of the main characters have lost parents or otherwise had tragedies in their lives that shape their thinking. In a subversion, this is so common that no one actually cares. When you live in a WretchedHive, you're ''expected'' to have lost family members and friends in acts of senseless violence. Orphans are more common than people with even a single living parent.
** Subverted with Alex, who tries to spin off out a unique and interesting backstory... only for Kelly to tell him to knock it off. Turns out that other than growing up in an orphanage, his childhood was quiet and peaceful.
--->'''Alex:''' Saints ''above'' vampire, can't you just let me have my cool origin story?
** Subverted in another direction when it turns out that [[spoiler:Alex and Kelly are siblings, and the only reason that Alex had a peaceful childhood is because their mother sent him away from their father. Pity she couldn't do the same for Kelly, who grew up a drug-addled maniac who tortured people for fun. Necessarius managed to get her off the drugs, but she eventually had to return to her old culture--and the drugs--to take control of the culture and possibly do something constructive with it]].
4th Aug '17 6:33:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his 12-year old childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.

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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his 12-year old childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]].terms. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.
27th May '17 10:56:58 AM nombretomado
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* ''[[MillenniumTrilogy The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo]]'': After SerialKiller [[spoiler: Martin Vanger]]'s death, Mikael mentions how, given his ''extremely'' DarkAndTroubledPast, the boy "never had a chance". Cue [[BerserkButton absolute outrage]] from [[DarkActionGirl Lisbet]], claiming that [[SubvertedTrope childhood trauma doesn't excuse his actions as an adult]]. The fact that she herself experienced a TraumaCongaLine of her own as a girl and that [[spoiler: Harriet Vanger]], despite going through the same upbringing as [[spoiler: Martin]] yet emerged a functional human being, certainly backs her argument.

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* ''[[MillenniumTrilogy ''[[Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo]]'': After SerialKiller [[spoiler: Martin Vanger]]'s death, Mikael mentions how, given his ''extremely'' DarkAndTroubledPast, the boy "never had a chance". Cue [[BerserkButton absolute outrage]] from [[DarkActionGirl Lisbet]], claiming that [[SubvertedTrope childhood trauma doesn't excuse his actions as an adult]]. The fact that she herself experienced a TraumaCongaLine of her own as a girl and that [[spoiler: Harriet Vanger]], despite going through the same upbringing as [[spoiler: Martin]] yet emerged a functional human being, certainly backs her argument.
3rd May '17 2:34:43 PM kquinn0830
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** Invoked and consciously averted with Voldemort. His upbringing as an orphan was far from ideal, but others (most notably Harry himself) were brought up in worse conditions without using it as an excuse to become Wizard Hitler. And it's pretty clear he was just born a sociopath.

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** Invoked and consciously averted with Voldemort. His upbringing as an orphan was far from ideal, but others (most notably Harry himself) were brought up in worse conditions without using it as an excuse to become Wizard Hitler. And it's pretty clear he was just born a sociopath. In fact, he was the ''cause'' of most of the misery in the orphanage.
5th Feb '17 4:05:01 PM starlight9
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* ''Literature/NightfallSeries'': Subverted. Itís implied that Prince Vladimir has a traumatic past, but itís never used as an excuse, and he is unapologetic about destroying the world.
26th Jan '17 9:46:11 PM PaulA
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* Creator/IsaacAsimov: [[Literature/{{Foundation}} The Mule]] is driven to conquer the galaxy because of a childhood of ostracism and abuse due to his physically deformed stature; he claims in his internal monologue that it is now "his turn." Appropriately, he is stopped by a master psychologist administering instant therapy with a bit of mind control thrown in for good measure. He spends the rest of his life happy -- and out of the way.

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* Creator/IsaacAsimov: [[Literature/{{Foundation}} Creator/IsaacAsimov, ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' series: The Mule]] Mule is driven to conquer the galaxy because of a childhood of ostracism and abuse due to his physically deformed stature; he claims in his internal monologue that it is now "his turn." Appropriately, he is stopped by a master psychologist administering instant therapy with a bit of mind control thrown in for good measure. He spends the rest of his life happy -- and out of the way.
20th Jan '17 5:55:41 AM SimiOfDoom
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* Prince Marek of ''Literature/{{Uprooted}}'' is an extremely nasty individual who tries to rape Agnieszka in his first appearance, then spends the rest of the book strongarming her and the Dragon into making a suicidal and expensive trip into the malicious Wood--but he's doing so in hopes of saving his mother, who was abducted and lost there when he was eight years old. While his motive is sympathetic, nobody really excuses his self-centered actions because he's now a grown man wasting dozens (and eventually thousands) of lives on an unrealistic fantasy.

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* Prince Marek of ''Literature/{{Uprooted}}'' is an extremely nasty individual who tries to rape Agnieszka in his first appearance, then spends the rest of the book strongarming her and the Dragon into making a suicidal and expensive trip into the malicious Wood--but he's doing so in hopes of saving his mother, who was abducted and lost there when he was eight years old. While his motive is sympathetic, nobody really excuses his self-centered actions because he's now a grown man wasting dozens (and eventually thousands) of lives on an unrealistic fantasy.fantasy.
* ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' has the Crippled God, whose fall from the heavens did not do good things to his sanity. The fact that most of the pantheon has periodically gotten together and chained him up for, from his perspective, no real reason didn't help either. Even some of the characters in-series recognize that his wanton destruction of the world is more akin to someone lashing out in hurt and desperation, than an act of evil itself.
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16th Nov '16 5:48:28 PM rjd1922
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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.

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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his 12-year old childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.
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