History FreudianExcuse / Literature

5th Feb '17 4:05:01 PM starlight9
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* ''Literature/NightfallSeries'': Subverted. Itís implied that Prince Vladimir has a traumatic past, but itís never used as an excuse, and he is unapologetic about destroying the world.
26th Jan '17 9:46:11 PM PaulA
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* Creator/IsaacAsimov: [[Literature/{{Foundation}} The Mule]] is driven to conquer the galaxy because of a childhood of ostracism and abuse due to his physically deformed stature; he claims in his internal monologue that it is now "his turn." Appropriately, he is stopped by a master psychologist administering instant therapy with a bit of mind control thrown in for good measure. He spends the rest of his life happy -- and out of the way.

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* Creator/IsaacAsimov: [[Literature/{{Foundation}} Creator/IsaacAsimov, ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' series: The Mule]] Mule is driven to conquer the galaxy because of a childhood of ostracism and abuse due to his physically deformed stature; he claims in his internal monologue that it is now "his turn." Appropriately, he is stopped by a master psychologist administering instant therapy with a bit of mind control thrown in for good measure. He spends the rest of his life happy -- and out of the way.
20th Jan '17 5:55:41 AM SimiOfDoom
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* Prince Marek of ''Literature/{{Uprooted}}'' is an extremely nasty individual who tries to rape Agnieszka in his first appearance, then spends the rest of the book strongarming her and the Dragon into making a suicidal and expensive trip into the malicious Wood--but he's doing so in hopes of saving his mother, who was abducted and lost there when he was eight years old. While his motive is sympathetic, nobody really excuses his self-centered actions because he's now a grown man wasting dozens (and eventually thousands) of lives on an unrealistic fantasy.

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* Prince Marek of ''Literature/{{Uprooted}}'' is an extremely nasty individual who tries to rape Agnieszka in his first appearance, then spends the rest of the book strongarming her and the Dragon into making a suicidal and expensive trip into the malicious Wood--but he's doing so in hopes of saving his mother, who was abducted and lost there when he was eight years old. While his motive is sympathetic, nobody really excuses his self-centered actions because he's now a grown man wasting dozens (and eventually thousands) of lives on an unrealistic fantasy.fantasy.
* ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' has the Crippled God, whose fall from the heavens did not do good things to his sanity. The fact that most of the pantheon has periodically gotten together and chained him up for, from his perspective, no real reason didn't help either. Even some of the characters in-series recognize that his wanton destruction of the world is more akin to someone lashing out in hurt and desperation, than an act of evil itself.
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16th Nov '16 5:48:28 PM rjd1922
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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.

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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his 12-year old childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.
20th Sep '16 7:31:47 PM PaulA
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** Still later we have Coydt Van Haaz, the BigBad of ''Empires of Flux and Anchor'', who wants to turn a LadyLand into a NoWomansLand to get back at the priestesses who [[DisproportionateRetribution castrated him]] for a relatively minor offense.

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** Still later we have Coydt Van Haaz, the BigBad of ''Empires of Flux and Anchor'', ''Literature/EmpiresOfFluxAndAnchor'', who wants to turn a LadyLand into a NoWomansLand to get back at the priestesses who [[DisproportionateRetribution castrated him]] for a relatively minor offense.
19th Sep '16 12:46:52 AM PaulA
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** Subverted in one of the ''Dancing Gods'' books, wherein a) the character discussing his tragic early life is on the side of good, and b) it transpires that this tale of a sad past is complete and utter nonsense designed to throw the villain off his game. It works.

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** Subverted in one of the ''Dancing Gods'' ''Literature/RiverOfDancingGods'' books, wherein a) the character discussing his tragic early life is on the side of good, and b) it transpires that this tale of a sad past is complete and utter nonsense designed to throw the villain off his game. It works.
14th Sep '16 1:35:31 AM PaulA
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* Subverted in ''[[Literature/EndersGame Children of the Mind]]'': In a backwards attempt to explain why she is so contrary, Quara reveals to Wang-mu that she was sexually abused at a young age by Quim, her soon-to-be sainted brother. When Wang-mu immediately believes her, she reveals it wasn't true, but points out the hypocrisy of people who would more easily believe the worst in a saint of a man like her brother than believe that some people are inherently, for no real reason, jerks.

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* Subverted in ''[[Literature/EndersGame Children of the Mind]]'': ''Literature/ChildrenOfTheMind'': In a backwards attempt to explain why she is so contrary, Quara reveals to Wang-mu that she was sexually abused at a young age by Quim, her soon-to-be sainted brother. When Wang-mu immediately believes her, she reveals it wasn't true, but points out the hypocrisy of people who would more easily believe the worst in a saint of a man like her brother than believe that some people are inherently, for no real reason, jerks.
4th Jul '16 12:19:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* The mostly sane (he hears voices in his head, but that's alright, one of them is his psychiatrist!) protagonist of Eric Nylund's ''Literature/AGameOfUniverse'' has a more subtle FreudianExcuse for his background. His childhood (born on a hellhole of a planet, dad killed his [[MissingMom mom]] when he was born, dad whored out his brother to miners (a fate he only avoided by being too young at the time), then accidentally killed his brother '''while his brother was trying to rape him''') doesn't mess him up that badly, it's only when this background leads him to panic over a misunderstanding and murder [[TheObiWan his mentor]] does he really start to lose it. (He spends the next few months hiding in a sewer, and then the next few years in a school based on {{Klingon Promotion}}s.)

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* The mostly sane (he hears voices in his head, but that's alright, one of them is his psychiatrist!) protagonist of Eric Nylund's ''Literature/AGameOfUniverse'' has a more subtle FreudianExcuse for his background. His childhood (born on a hellhole of a planet, dad killed his [[MissingMom mom]] when he was born, dad whored out his brother to miners (a fate he only avoided by being too young at the time), then accidentally killed his brother '''while his brother was trying to rape him''') doesn't mess him up that badly, it's only when this background leads him to panic over a misunderstanding and murder [[TheObiWan [[TheMentor his mentor]] does he really start to lose it. (He spends the next few months hiding in a sewer, and then the next few years in a school based on {{Klingon Promotion}}s.)
20th Jun '16 3:42:23 PM roxana
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* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' Luke Castellan, once we learn his backstory in the fifth book. His mother tried to host the Oracle when Luke was a baby and it went horribly wrong. She ended up driven insane, being [[TheOphelia not quite there at the best of times]], and at random moments she'd have visions of her son's fate. His father was [[DisappearedDad never there]]. He eventually ran away from home, and took up with Thalia and Annabeth. They had a horribly eventful trip to camp, during which Thalia was turned into a tree. He was later given a quest 'to keep him busy', and it resulted in him being permanently scarred. Yikes. No wonder he's given up on the world.

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* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' Luke Castellan, once we learn his backstory in the fifth book. His mother tried to host the Oracle when Luke was a baby and it went horribly wrong. She ended up driven insane, being [[TheOphelia not quite there at the best of times]], and at random moments she'd have visions of her son's fate. His father was [[DisappearedDad never there]]. He eventually ran away from home, and took up with Thalia and Annabeth. They had a horribly eventful trip to camp, during which Thalia was turned into a tree. He was later given a quest 'to keep him busy', and it resulted in him being permanently scarred. Yikes. No wonder he's given up on the world. Sadly Hermes actually loves his son. He arranged the quest to let Luke be a real hero before his doom came down on him. It worked about as well as trying to beat fate ever does in Greek mythololgy.
14th Jun '16 6:05:48 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' has ''Luke Castellan'', who for the first four books is just portrayed as a douche and a ManipulativeBastard, before the fifth and final book tells the pretty sad tale of his past. Ok, so he doesn't know his father, who left him with a insane, abusive mother who threatened him and never let him leave the house. Then, at just nine years old, he's forced to run away and live on the streets, in dangerous, cold New York. After that, he finally meets his father, who essentially tells him he wants nothing to do with him and won't help him. (Justified in that it's dangerous for the gods to intervene with their children, but Luke didn't know that). Shortly afterwards, one of his only friends is turned into a freakin' '''TREE'''. Then the gods give him a quest "just to keep him busy", which involves him getting permanently disfigured. At this point he's naturally annoyed at the gods and joins the Titans. And then, once one of his few real friends comes back to life, she tries to ''kill'' him. Damn. And when he finally decides to do a HeelFaceTurn to save one of his friends (and consequently the world), he has to die for it. And while he's lying on the ground, the friend he just saved tells him she ''never'' loved him. Ouch.

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* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' has ''Luke Castellan'', who for the first four books is just portrayed as a douche and a ManipulativeBastard, before Luke Castellan, once we learn his backstory in the fifth book. His mother tried to host the Oracle when Luke was a baby and final book tells the pretty sad tale of his past. Ok, so he doesn't know his father, who left him with a it went horribly wrong. She ended up driven insane, abusive mother who threatened him being [[TheOphelia not quite there at the best of times]], and at random moments she'd have visions of her son's fate. His father was [[DisappearedDad never let him leave the house. Then, at just nine years old, he's forced to run there]]. He eventually ran away from home, and live on the streets, in dangerous, cold New York. After that, he finally meets his father, who essentially tells him he wants nothing to do took up with him Thalia and won't help him. (Justified in that it's dangerous for the gods Annabeth. They had a horribly eventful trip to intervene with their children, but Luke didn't know that). Shortly afterwards, one of his only friends is camp, during which Thalia was turned into a freakin' '''TREE'''. Then the gods give him tree. He was later given a quest "just to 'to keep him busy", which involves busy', and it resulted in him getting being permanently disfigured. At this point scarred. Yikes. No wonder he's naturally annoyed at the gods and joins the Titans. And then, once one of his few real friends comes back to life, she tries to ''kill'' him. Damn. And when he finally decides to do a HeelFaceTurn to save one of his friends (and consequently the world), he has to die for it. And while he's lying given up on the ground, the friend he just saved tells him she ''never'' loved him. Ouch.world.
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