History FreudianExcuse / Literature

27th May '17 10:56:58 AM nombretomado
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* ''[[MillenniumTrilogy The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo]]'': After SerialKiller [[spoiler: Martin Vanger]]'s death, Mikael mentions how, given his ''extremely'' DarkAndTroubledPast, the boy "never had a chance". Cue [[BerserkButton absolute outrage]] from [[DarkActionGirl Lisbet]], claiming that [[SubvertedTrope childhood trauma doesn't excuse his actions as an adult]]. The fact that she herself experienced a TraumaCongaLine of her own as a girl and that [[spoiler: Harriet Vanger]], despite going through the same upbringing as [[spoiler: Martin]] yet emerged a functional human being, certainly backs her argument.

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* ''[[MillenniumTrilogy ''[[Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo]]'': After SerialKiller [[spoiler: Martin Vanger]]'s death, Mikael mentions how, given his ''extremely'' DarkAndTroubledPast, the boy "never had a chance". Cue [[BerserkButton absolute outrage]] from [[DarkActionGirl Lisbet]], claiming that [[SubvertedTrope childhood trauma doesn't excuse his actions as an adult]]. The fact that she herself experienced a TraumaCongaLine of her own as a girl and that [[spoiler: Harriet Vanger]], despite going through the same upbringing as [[spoiler: Martin]] yet emerged a functional human being, certainly backs her argument.
3rd May '17 2:34:43 PM kquinn0830
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** Invoked and consciously averted with Voldemort. His upbringing as an orphan was far from ideal, but others (most notably Harry himself) were brought up in worse conditions without using it as an excuse to become Wizard Hitler. And it's pretty clear he was just born a sociopath.

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** Invoked and consciously averted with Voldemort. His upbringing as an orphan was far from ideal, but others (most notably Harry himself) were brought up in worse conditions without using it as an excuse to become Wizard Hitler. And it's pretty clear he was just born a sociopath. In fact, he was the ''cause'' of most of the misery in the orphanage.
5th Feb '17 4:05:01 PM starlight9
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* ''Literature/NightfallSeries'': Subverted. Itís implied that Prince Vladimir has a traumatic past, but itís never used as an excuse, and he is unapologetic about destroying the world.
26th Jan '17 9:46:11 PM PaulA
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* Creator/IsaacAsimov: [[Literature/{{Foundation}} The Mule]] is driven to conquer the galaxy because of a childhood of ostracism and abuse due to his physically deformed stature; he claims in his internal monologue that it is now "his turn." Appropriately, he is stopped by a master psychologist administering instant therapy with a bit of mind control thrown in for good measure. He spends the rest of his life happy -- and out of the way.

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* Creator/IsaacAsimov: [[Literature/{{Foundation}} Creator/IsaacAsimov, ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' series: The Mule]] Mule is driven to conquer the galaxy because of a childhood of ostracism and abuse due to his physically deformed stature; he claims in his internal monologue that it is now "his turn." Appropriately, he is stopped by a master psychologist administering instant therapy with a bit of mind control thrown in for good measure. He spends the rest of his life happy -- and out of the way.
20th Jan '17 5:55:41 AM SimiOfDoom
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* Prince Marek of ''Literature/{{Uprooted}}'' is an extremely nasty individual who tries to rape Agnieszka in his first appearance, then spends the rest of the book strongarming her and the Dragon into making a suicidal and expensive trip into the malicious Wood--but he's doing so in hopes of saving his mother, who was abducted and lost there when he was eight years old. While his motive is sympathetic, nobody really excuses his self-centered actions because he's now a grown man wasting dozens (and eventually thousands) of lives on an unrealistic fantasy.

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* Prince Marek of ''Literature/{{Uprooted}}'' is an extremely nasty individual who tries to rape Agnieszka in his first appearance, then spends the rest of the book strongarming her and the Dragon into making a suicidal and expensive trip into the malicious Wood--but he's doing so in hopes of saving his mother, who was abducted and lost there when he was eight years old. While his motive is sympathetic, nobody really excuses his self-centered actions because he's now a grown man wasting dozens (and eventually thousands) of lives on an unrealistic fantasy.fantasy.
* ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' has the Crippled God, whose fall from the heavens did not do good things to his sanity. The fact that most of the pantheon has periodically gotten together and chained him up for, from his perspective, no real reason didn't help either. Even some of the characters in-series recognize that his wanton destruction of the world is more akin to someone lashing out in hurt and desperation, than an act of evil itself.
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16th Nov '16 5:48:28 PM rjd1922
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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.

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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''- Humbert's reason for being a pedophile is very Freudian (at age 16 he was interrupted having sex with his 12-year old childhood sweetheart who died shortly afterward) and he [[GenreSavvy thinks about it in these terms]]. However, the author's point was that this is a poor excuse for his terrible actions.
20th Sep '16 7:31:47 PM PaulA
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** Still later we have Coydt Van Haaz, the BigBad of ''Empires of Flux and Anchor'', who wants to turn a LadyLand into a NoWomansLand to get back at the priestesses who [[DisproportionateRetribution castrated him]] for a relatively minor offense.

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** Still later we have Coydt Van Haaz, the BigBad of ''Empires of Flux and Anchor'', ''Literature/EmpiresOfFluxAndAnchor'', who wants to turn a LadyLand into a NoWomansLand to get back at the priestesses who [[DisproportionateRetribution castrated him]] for a relatively minor offense.
19th Sep '16 12:46:52 AM PaulA
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** Subverted in one of the ''Dancing Gods'' books, wherein a) the character discussing his tragic early life is on the side of good, and b) it transpires that this tale of a sad past is complete and utter nonsense designed to throw the villain off his game. It works.

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** Subverted in one of the ''Dancing Gods'' ''Literature/RiverOfDancingGods'' books, wherein a) the character discussing his tragic early life is on the side of good, and b) it transpires that this tale of a sad past is complete and utter nonsense designed to throw the villain off his game. It works.
14th Sep '16 1:35:31 AM PaulA
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* Subverted in ''[[Literature/EndersGame Children of the Mind]]'': In a backwards attempt to explain why she is so contrary, Quara reveals to Wang-mu that she was sexually abused at a young age by Quim, her soon-to-be sainted brother. When Wang-mu immediately believes her, she reveals it wasn't true, but points out the hypocrisy of people who would more easily believe the worst in a saint of a man like her brother than believe that some people are inherently, for no real reason, jerks.

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* Subverted in ''[[Literature/EndersGame Children of the Mind]]'': ''Literature/ChildrenOfTheMind'': In a backwards attempt to explain why she is so contrary, Quara reveals to Wang-mu that she was sexually abused at a young age by Quim, her soon-to-be sainted brother. When Wang-mu immediately believes her, she reveals it wasn't true, but points out the hypocrisy of people who would more easily believe the worst in a saint of a man like her brother than believe that some people are inherently, for no real reason, jerks.
4th Jul '16 12:19:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* The mostly sane (he hears voices in his head, but that's alright, one of them is his psychiatrist!) protagonist of Eric Nylund's ''Literature/AGameOfUniverse'' has a more subtle FreudianExcuse for his background. His childhood (born on a hellhole of a planet, dad killed his [[MissingMom mom]] when he was born, dad whored out his brother to miners (a fate he only avoided by being too young at the time), then accidentally killed his brother '''while his brother was trying to rape him''') doesn't mess him up that badly, it's only when this background leads him to panic over a misunderstanding and murder [[TheObiWan his mentor]] does he really start to lose it. (He spends the next few months hiding in a sewer, and then the next few years in a school based on {{Klingon Promotion}}s.)

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* The mostly sane (he hears voices in his head, but that's alright, one of them is his psychiatrist!) protagonist of Eric Nylund's ''Literature/AGameOfUniverse'' has a more subtle FreudianExcuse for his background. His childhood (born on a hellhole of a planet, dad killed his [[MissingMom mom]] when he was born, dad whored out his brother to miners (a fate he only avoided by being too young at the time), then accidentally killed his brother '''while his brother was trying to rape him''') doesn't mess him up that badly, it's only when this background leads him to panic over a misunderstanding and murder [[TheObiWan [[TheMentor his mentor]] does he really start to lose it. (He spends the next few months hiding in a sewer, and then the next few years in a school based on {{Klingon Promotion}}s.)
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