History Franchise / ShinMegamiTensei

16th Jul '16 12:22:21 PM nombretomado
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** Eventually averted with ''{{Catherine}}'', ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and ''[[{{VideoGame/Persona4}} Persona 4: Golden]]''. Despite having similar themes/characters/gameplay elements/staff/etc as previously dolled-up {{spinoff}} games, they were all released outside Japan without the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' moniker tacked on.

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** Eventually averted with ''{{Catherine}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'', ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and ''[[{{VideoGame/Persona4}} Persona 4: Golden]]''. Despite having similar themes/characters/gameplay elements/staff/etc as previously dolled-up {{spinoff}} games, they were all released outside Japan without the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' moniker tacked on.
12th Jul '16 11:42:56 PM rmctagg09
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* DragonsAreDivine: The main ''SMT'' franchise and its numerous spinoffs count many draconic deities among its number, including Otohime and Huang Long.
12th Jul '16 7:36:15 PM ashlay
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* BigBad
** YHVH, the avatar of the Great Will aka {{God}}, in the main ''SMT'' continuity. The leader of the [[OrderVsChaos LAW]] faction, YHVH is a LightIsNotGood KnightTemplar usually responsible for whatever CrapsackWorld you find yourself in.
* BigBadEnsemble:
** YHVH is a JerkassGod due to some unspecified glitch in reality (whatever that means). More recent games have shown that this glitch is really messing everything up and changing both YHVH and his Chaos counterpart, Lucifer's, personalities at a whim. Sometime after Nocturne, both have become much more ambiguous.
** Nyarlathotep in the ''Persona'' continuity, a GodOfEvil OmnicidalManiac who's usually the ManBehindTheMan of the latest [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt world ending]] plot.

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* BigBad
BigBad:
** YHVH, the avatar of the Great Will aka {{God}}, in In the main ''SMT'' continuity. The series and some spinoffs: YHVH, a {{Jerkass|God}} representation of {{God}} created out of the human desire for order and control [[GoneHorriblyRight no matter the cost]]. Besides being leader of the [[OrderVsChaos LAW]] faction, YHVH is a LightIsNotGood KnightTemplar usually responsible for whatever CrapsackWorld you find yourself in.
* BigBadEnsemble:
** YHVH is a JerkassGod due to some unspecified glitch in reality (whatever that means). More recent games have shown that this glitch is really messing everything up and changing both YHVH and his Chaos counterpart, Lucifer's, personalities at a whim. Sometime after Nocturne, both have become much more ambiguous.
** Nyarlathotep in
In the ''Persona'' continuity, continuity: [[TheHeartless the collective darkness]] in mankind's hearts, which inevitably forms into a GodOfEvil OmnicidalManiac who's usually the ManBehindTheMan of the latest [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt world ending]] plot.plot.
* BigGood:
** In the main ''SMT'' games [[spoiler:The Great Will, the ''actual'' {{God}} of the ''SMT'' [[TheVerse 'verse]]]], a [[GodIsGood benevolent force]] that sets up [[TheHero heroes]] from behind the scenes to give humanity a chance to fix whatever insanity YHVH or other BigBad has caused.
** In the ''Persona'' continuity: Philemon, the AllPowerfulBystander boss of Igor and one responsible for granitng Wild Card powers. [[JustifiedSavePoint He's also the one letting you save your game]].
1st Jul '16 12:40:40 AM matteste
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* ''That's Catch 22'' (2005)
21st Jun '16 7:35:24 AM Materioptikon
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** Even "bright and bubbly" ''VideoGame/Persona4'' has it as a major element; it's just less obvious than in some other titles (fitting with the game's theme). Everyone appears fine on the surface, but underneath the veneer they're all in crisis by the time the protagonist gets involved. [[note]]In order: Yosuke is the "least" broken and he's still dealing with crushing ennui as a result of his move to Inaba (and it's implied he had trouble making long-term friends even before then); the relationship between Chie and Yukiko, and its unspoken roles, is thisclose to becoming utterly toxic for both parties; Kanji is utterly bewildered by the disconnect between his talents and the perception of "manly" pursuits in his culture and has no idea what to make of his identity as a result; Rise is self-admittedly on the verge of psychological breakdown due to her shame over the creepier elements of the idol industry and whether that encompasses the whole of her identity; and Naoto has her toes dangling on the edge of the DespairEventHorizon as a result of not being taken seriously in her job and is riddled with doubt about whether she ever ''can'' be accepted as both a woman and a detective.[[/note]]

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** Even "bright and bubbly" ''VideoGame/Persona4'' has it as a major element; it's just less obvious than in some other titles (fitting with the game's theme). Everyone appears fine on the surface, but underneath the veneer they're all in crisis by the time the protagonist gets involved. [[note]]In order: Yosuke is the "least" broken and he's still dealing with crushing ennui as a result of his move to Inaba (and it's implied he had trouble making long-term friends even before then); the relationship between Chie and Yukiko, and its unspoken roles, is thisclose this close to becoming utterly toxic for both parties; Kanji is utterly bewildered by the disconnect between his talents and the perception of "manly" pursuits in his culture and has no idea what to make of his identity as a result; Rise is self-admittedly on the verge of psychological breakdown due to her shame over the creepier elements of the idol industry and whether that encompasses the whole of her identity; and Naoto has her toes dangling on the edge of the DespairEventHorizon as a result of not being taken seriously in her job and is riddled with doubt about whether she ever ''can'' be accepted as both a woman and a detective.[[/note]]
20th Jun '16 10:04:21 PM Materioptikon
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* UltimateEvil: The Great Will, the being or beings that even YHVH is only an avatar of, is both the creator and overseer of the Amala Multiverse. It has yet to be seen and is the source of all the troubles in the multiverse as well. It is also heavily implied to be directly connected to, or even be a part of both the Expanse and the collective unconscious meaning regardless of timeline or universe, it's influence is everywhere.
** Subverted as of IV [[spoiler: where he is revealed to be good]] There are implications all around that The Great Will's effect is [[spoiler: more of an indirect symptom of an omniversal-level problem]]. Unfortunately, whatever "glitch in reality" that's affecting him/it is affecting the Law/Chaos conflict, too.....if it isn't the outlying cause.

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* UltimateEvil: The Great Will, the being or beings that even YHVH is only an avatar of, is both the creator and overseer of the Amala Multiverse. It has yet to be seen and is the source of all the troubles in the multiverse as well. It is also heavily implied to be directly connected to, or even be a part of both the Expanse and the collective unconscious meaning regardless of timeline or universe, it's its influence is everywhere.
** Subverted as of IV [[spoiler: where he is revealed to be good]] There are implications all around that The Great Will's effect is [[spoiler: more of an indirect symptom of an omniversal-level problem]]. Unfortunately, whatever "glitch in reality" that's affecting him/it is affecting the Law/Chaos conflict, too.....too... if it isn't the outlying cause.


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* VerbalJudo: A key part of demon negotiation.
18th Jun '16 7:01:46 PM TheSwordsman
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** YHVH, aka {{God}}, in the main ''SMT'' continuity. The leader of the [[OrderVsChaos LAW]] faction, YHVH is a LightIsNotGood KnightTemplar usually responsible for whatever CrapsackWorld you find yourself in.

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** YHVH, the avatar of the Great Will aka {{God}}, in the main ''SMT'' continuity. The leader of the [[OrderVsChaos LAW]] faction, YHVH is a LightIsNotGood KnightTemplar usually responsible for whatever CrapsackWorld you find yourself in.



** Subverted as of IV. There are implications all around that The Great Will's effect is [[spoiler: more of an indirect symptom of an omniversal-level problem]]. Unfortunately, whatever "glitch in reality" that's affecting him/her/it is affecting the Law/Chaos conflict, too.....if it isn't the outlying cause.

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** Subverted as of IV. IV [[spoiler: where he is revealed to be good]] There are implications all around that The Great Will's effect is [[spoiler: more of an indirect symptom of an omniversal-level problem]]. Unfortunately, whatever "glitch in reality" that's affecting him/her/it him/it is affecting the Law/Chaos conflict, too.....if it isn't the outlying cause.
16th Jun '16 8:54:56 PM Ramidel
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** Law has bounced back and forth between meaning "a world subjugated to God's will" and a straight-up WorldOfSilence that doesn't carry such theological implications. YHVH is now just as likely to be seen as separate from Law as he is the source of it, or else function as a GreaterScopeVillain who's above and beyond Law. And then there's ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' where God is doing the best he can to ''avoid'' subjugating humanity ([[HumansAreTheRealMonsters who are not making it easy for him]]).

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** Law has bounced back and forth between meaning "a world subjugated to God's will" and a straight-up WorldOfSilence that doesn't carry such theological implications. YHVH is now just as likely to be seen as separate from Law as he is the source of it, or else function as a GreaterScopeVillain who's above and beyond Law. And then there's ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' where God is doing the best he He can to ''avoid'' subjugating humanity ([[HumansAreTheRealMonsters who (who are not making it easy for him]]).Him).
16th Jun '16 8:53:06 PM Ramidel
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** The original Neutral ending was a pro-human path that led to the destruction of both God and Lucifer (or their chief agents) and most of humanity in exchange for freeing the survivors from the meddling of higher powers (at least for a while). Later games, however, the series has softpedaled the omnicidal aspects and played up the humanist part, so "neutral" endings sometimes involve the restoration of the pre-apocalyptic state (so far as that's possible).

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** The original Neutral ending was a pro-human path that led to the destruction of both God and Lucifer (or their chief agents) and most of humanity in exchange for freeing the survivors from the meddling of higher powers (at least for a while). Later games, however, the series has have softpedaled the omnicidal aspects and played up the humanist part, so "neutral" endings sometimes involve the restoration of the pre-apocalyptic state (so far as that's possible).possible).
** Law has bounced back and forth between meaning "a world subjugated to God's will" and a straight-up WorldOfSilence that doesn't carry such theological implications. YHVH is now just as likely to be seen as separate from Law as he is the source of it, or else function as a GreaterScopeVillain who's above and beyond Law. And then there's ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' where God is doing the best he can to ''avoid'' subjugating humanity ([[HumansAreTheRealMonsters who are not making it easy for him]]).
14th Jun '16 1:28:51 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Law is "''order'' is good because otherwise there is the ''freedom'' to do horrible and hurtful things." Chaos is "''freedom'' is good because otherwise individual strength will be undermined and ''ordered'' away." Both sides generally have very forceful ways of doing it, from killing whoever's in the way to twisting the masses' minds to suit their needs.

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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Law is "''order'' is good because otherwise there is the ''freedom'' to do horrible and hurtful things." Chaos is "''freedom'' is good because otherwise individual strength will be undermined and ''ordered'' away." Both sides generally have very forceful ways of doing it, from killing whoever's in the way to twisting the masses' minds to suit their needs.
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