History Franchise / ShinMegamiTensei

23rd Jun '17 8:39:52 AM rmctagg09
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* AudienceShift: The ''Demi-Kids'' and ''Persona'' subseries' where specifically made to appeal to a different audience than the mainline ''Shin Megami Tensei''. While the mainline games are made for an older audience, the Demi-kids series was effectively Atlus take on ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' and was specifically made to appeal to kids. Persona meanwhile was meant to have a more wider appeal and was designed to feel more familiar and relateable to the audience as opposed to the more fantastical and philosophical aspects of the mainline series.

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* AudienceShift: The ''Demi-Kids'' and ''Persona'' subseries' where specifically made to appeal to a different audience than the mainline ''Shin Megami Tensei''. While the mainline games are made for an older audience, the Demi-kids ''Demi-Kids'' series was effectively Atlus Atlus' take on ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' and was specifically made to appeal to kids. Persona ''Persona'' meanwhile was meant to have a more wider appeal and was designed to feel more familiar and relateable to the audience as opposed to the more fantastical and philosophical aspects of the mainline series.
23rd Jun '17 2:31:31 AM matteste
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* AudienceShift: The ''Demi-Kids'' and ''Persona'' subseries' where specifically made to appeal to a different audience than the mainline ''Shin Megami Tensei''. While the mainline games are made for an older audience, the Demi-kids series was effectively Atlus take on ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' and was specifically made to appeal to kids. Persona meanwhile was meant to have a more wider appeal and was designed to feel more familiar and relateable to the audience as opposed to the more fantastical and philosophical aspects of the mainline series.
16th Jun '17 1:59:30 AM ergeis
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* NeverLiveItDown: The series has the reputation as the game where you kill God, when the truth is only a handful of games did that.
15th Jun '17 2:16:05 PM omegafire17
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* NevrLiveItDown: The series has the reputation as the game where you kill God when the truth is only a handful of games did that.

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* NevrLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown: The series has the reputation as the game where you kill God God, when the truth is only a handful of games did that.
14th Jun '17 2:48:20 AM ergeis
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* NevrLiveItDown: The series has the reputation as the game where you kill God when the truth is only a handful of games did that.
7th Jun '17 12:21:56 AM matteste
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*** ''Shin Megami Tensei: Deep Strange Journey'' (2017)

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*** ''Shin Megami Tensei: Deep Strange Journey'' Journey Redux'' (2017)
2nd Jun '17 4:02:13 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous: While both Law and Chaos have their good points, their representatives never have morally pure ways of achieving their goals, and will gladly use methods that have massive repercussions on the world, up to and including the mass murder of those who oppose them and brainwashing humanity into fitting their ideal mold. Players not fond of either side can [[OmnicidalNeutral kick both sides' asses]] to [[TakeAThirdOption establish a world of balance]]; some times this is treated as the GoldenEnding and others it is NotSoDifferent from the other two options. In ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', Krishna points out that law and chaos aren't ''inherently'' bad so much as their representatives, [[spoiler:both of which work for YHVH to create the illusion of conflict, with Lucifer set up as a straw villain to make the Law side look better]].

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* BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous: While both Law and Chaos have their good points, their representatives never have morally pure ways of achieving their goals, and will gladly use methods that have massive repercussions on the world, up to and including the mass murder of those who oppose them and brainwashing humanity into fitting their ideal mold. Players not fond of either side can [[OmnicidalNeutral kick both sides' asses]] to [[TakeAThirdOption establish a world of balance]]; some times this is treated as the GoldenEnding and others it is NotSoDifferent from the other two options. In ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', Krishna points out that law and chaos aren't ''inherently'' bad so much as their representatives, [[spoiler:both of which work for YHVH to create the illusion of conflict, with Lucifer set up as a [[FalseFlagOperation straw villain villain]] to make the Law side look better]].
2nd Jun '17 4:01:33 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous: While both Law and Chaos have their good points, their representatives never have morally pure ways of achieving their goals, and will gladly use methods that have massive repercussions on the world, up to and including the mass murder of those who oppose them and brainwashing humanity into fitting their ideal mold. Players not fond of either side can [[OmnicidalNeutral kick both sides' asses]] to [[TakeAThirdOption establish a world of balance]]; some times this is treated as the GoldenEnding and others it is NotSoDifferent from the other two options.

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* BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous: While both Law and Chaos have their good points, their representatives never have morally pure ways of achieving their goals, and will gladly use methods that have massive repercussions on the world, up to and including the mass murder of those who oppose them and brainwashing humanity into fitting their ideal mold. Players not fond of either side can [[OmnicidalNeutral kick both sides' asses]] to [[TakeAThirdOption establish a world of balance]]; some times this is treated as the GoldenEnding and others it is NotSoDifferent from the other two options. In ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', Krishna points out that law and chaos aren't ''inherently'' bad so much as their representatives, [[spoiler:both of which work for YHVH to create the illusion of conflict, with Lucifer set up as a straw villain to make the Law side look better]].
20th May '17 6:06:35 AM CalamityRaven26
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* GreyAndGrayMorality: One of the biggest draws of the franchise is it's ''incredibly'' grey conflict. All three alignments - Law, Neutral and Chaos - all have their positive and negative representatives, alongside their good and bad aspects. Law and Chaos at it's worst tend to be ''very'' forceful [[WithUsOrAgainstUs in regards to their ideology]], but [[VillainHasAPoint they consistently raise good points in regards to their ideals]], especially when you consider the normally-optimistic Neutral endings to prolong the conflict until either Law or Chaos wins. The only exception to this rule is ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', since that game takes place in a unique universe where [[spoiler:Law and Chaos are puppets of YHVH - and even then, it ''also'' indefinitely proves that it can be just as extreme as Law and Chaos.]] At the end of the day, the game encourages you to choose the path you agree with the most, above all else.

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* GreyAndGrayMorality: One of the biggest draws of the franchise is it's ''incredibly'' grey conflict. All three alignments - Law, Neutral and Chaos - all have their positive and negative representatives, alongside their good and bad aspects. Law and Chaos at it's worst tend to be ''very'' forceful [[WithUsOrAgainstUs in regards to their ideology]], but [[VillainHasAPoint they consistently raise good points in regards to their ideals]], especially when you consider the normally-optimistic Neutral endings to prolong the conflict until either Law or Chaos wins. The only exception to this rule is ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', since that game takes place in a unique universe where [[spoiler:Law and Chaos are puppets of YHVH - and even then, it ''also'' indefinitely proves that it Neutral can be just as extreme as Law and Chaos.]] At the end of the day, the game encourages you to choose the path you agree with the most, above all else.
19th May '17 2:21:53 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE'' (2015/2016) [[note]]Formerly known as ''Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem''. A {{Crossover}} where Atlus basically made a [=MegaTen=] spinoff using the mythology of Creator/IntelligentSystems's ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' franchise.[[/note]]

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* ''VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE'' (2015/2016) (2015) [[note]]Formerly known as ''Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem''. A {{Crossover}} where Atlus basically made a [=MegaTen=] spinoff using the mythology of Creator/IntelligentSystems's ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' franchise.[[/note]]
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