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2nd Dec '16 1:34:48 AM Bassball_Batman
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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
2nd Dec '16 1:33:49 AM Bassball_Batman
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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as their murder-restraint ethics, the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism their murder-restraint ethics, ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
2nd Dec '16 1:18:19 AM Bassball_Batman
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* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus one other boss that appears in the first two games: Phantom (the Cynic), Leviathan (the Apathetic), Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), and Harpuia (the Conflicted).

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as their murder-restraint ethics, the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus one other boss that appears in the first two games: games:
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Phantom (the Cynic), Leviathan (the Apathetic), Leviathan (the Cynic), Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), and Harpuia (the Conflicted).Conflicted).
** This is another odd case of an Optimist fading to the background and the X-like Conflicted character being more center-stage within the [[ValuesDissonance ethics clash]] with the Cynic.
21st Oct '16 12:02:24 PM Bassball_Batman
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* GearsOfWar 2: Marcus (the Realist), Dom and Cole (the Optimist), Baird (the Cynic), Dizzy (the Apathetic).

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* GearsOfWar 2: ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar 2'': Marcus (the Realist), Dom and Cole (the Optimist), Baird (the Cynic), Dizzy (the Apathetic).


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* VideoGame/MegaManX'' -- the Maverick Hunters, Commander, Mission Operator, and mechanic in X5-X8:
** Cynic: Zero -- the AntiHero, TheUnfettered, with a killer-instinct.
** Realist: Signas -- the mediator who always admires X's pacifism, but always realistic about the need to fight for peace and justice.
** Optimist: Douglas (X5-6), Axl (X7-8) -- the former as idealistic and confident, although this is not expanded on; the latter seeks to rectify the wrongs of his former affiliation and believes he can take on the world.
** Apathetic: Alia -- the Mission Operator, Computer Specialist and Navigator in the series, less in-story involvement otherwise.
** Conflicted: X -- Willing to fight for peace and justice at first, but a pacifist paranoid of breaking the first robotics rule (not to harm a human), then temporarily retires and reluctant to let Axl become a hunter.
21st Oct '16 10:38:45 AM Bassball_Batman
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* The two main protagonists of ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' and ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'' fit this trope.
** Ragna the Bloodedge (Apathetic)
** Sol Badguy (Realist)
** Jin Kisaragi (Cynic)
** Ky Kiske (Optimist)



* ''VideoGame/SlyCooper'': Sly (the Apathetic/Realist), Bentley (the Cynic), Murray (the Optimist), Carmelita (the Conflicted).



* ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' - Jalil (the Cynic), David (the Optimist), April (the Realist), Christopher (the Conflicted), and Senna (something of the Apathetic).

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* ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' - -- Jalil (the Cynic), David (the Optimist), April (the Realist), Christopher (the Conflicted), and Senna (something of the Apathetic).Apathetic).
* All of the opposing and antithetical factions in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'':
** The Optimist: The Minutemen, as their original goal was to protect settlements out of good will but they were nearly wiped out after a string of bad luck. They can make a comeback and they are even more idealistic than ever despite all the shit they've been dragged through. They're flexible on policy when it comes to the Synths.
** The Cynic: The Institute, as they believe that it is futile to allow the Commonwealth to continue existing and want to start anew in a new society underground. However, the same people they claim to want to help fear them due to many of their own actions. To them, the Synth is JustAMachine.
** The Apathetic: The Railroad views the Synths as living, thinking beings worthy of respect, and wants to liberate all Synths from the Institute. The problem is that this is their ''ONLY'' goal and they don't really care about anyone else in the Commonwealth.
** The Realist: The Brotherhood of Steel. Ten years after [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} the war with the Enclave]], the original teachings of Elder Lyons have been lost since his death [[spoiler:and the death of his daughter, Sarah Lyons]]. Arthur Maxson is in charge and wants to try and expand into the Commonwealth to oppose the Institute. To them, Synths are abominations against technology and to be destroyed down to the last.
** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]], and [[TheAlcoholic Old Longfellow]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]], [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]], and [[TheCreon Porter Gage]]).



* The two main protagonists of ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' and ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'' fit this trope.
** Ragna the Bloodedge (Apathetic)
** Sol Badguy (Realist)
** Jin Kisaragi (Cynic)
** Ky Kiske (Optimist)



* The first KnightsOfTheOldRepublic: Carth's a Cynic. Mission is ''very'' much an Optimist. Canderous is Apathetic (a Mandalorian on a boatload of Jedi and Republic sympathizers, and has nothing better to do). Bastila ''looks'' like a Realist, but is actually Conflicted. Juhani appears Conflicted, but bends more Realist. Zaalbar is also Conflicted (you can influence him to the Dark Side pretty easily). The droids are Apathetic (T3 hasn't lived long enough to develop a personality; HK-47 just wants to shoot things for the meatbag in charge). Jolee likes to ride the line between Cynic and Apathetic.

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* The first KnightsOfTheOldRepublic: ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'': Carth's a Cynic. Mission is ''very'' much an Optimist. Canderous is Apathetic (a Mandalorian on a boatload of Jedi and Republic sympathizers, and has nothing better to do). Bastila ''looks'' like a Realist, but is actually Conflicted. Juhani appears Conflicted, but bends more Realist. Zaalbar is also Conflicted (you can influence him to the Dark Side pretty easily). The droids are Apathetic (T3 hasn't lived long enough to develop a personality; HK-47 just wants to shoot things for the meatbag in charge). Jolee likes to ride the line between Cynic and Apathetic.



** ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'': pessimistic Nick (the Cynic), naive Ellis (the Optimist), Coach as leader (the Realist), and Rochelle, the only neutral character (the Apathetic

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** ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'': pessimistic Nick (the Cynic), naive Ellis (the Optimist), Coach as leader (the Realist), and Rochelle, the only neutral character (the ApatheticApathetic).



* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus [[BigBad their master]] in the first game: [[spoiler:[[KnightTemplar Copy-X]]]] (the Cynic), Phantom (the Apathetic, although pragmatic), Harpuia (the Conflicted), Fefnir (the Optimist), and Leviathan (the Realist).
* ''[[VideoGame/MetroidPrime Metroid Prime 3: Corruption]]'': Samus (the Conflicted, sometimes the Realist), Ghor (the Cynic, sometimes Conflicted), Gandrayda (the Optimist), and Rundas (the Apathetic and pragmatist).

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* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus [[BigBad their master]] one other boss that appears in the first game: [[spoiler:[[KnightTemplar Copy-X]]]] two games: Phantom (the Cynic), Phantom Leviathan (the Apathetic, although pragmatic), Harpuia (the Conflicted), Apathetic), Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), and Leviathan Harpuia (the Realist).
Conflicted).
* ''[[VideoGame/MetroidPrime Metroid Prime 3: Corruption]]'': Rundas (the Cynic), Samus (the Conflicted, sometimes the Realist), Ghor (the Cynic, Realist, sometimes Conflicted), Gandrayda (the Optimist), and Rundas Ghor (the Conflicted, sometimes Apathetic).
* The boys in ''{{VisualNovel/Nameless}}'': Lance (the Cynic), Red (the Optimist), Tei (the Realist), Yuri
(the Apathetic -- he does care but either expects things to work themselves out or acts without consulting the others) and pragmatist).Yeonho (the Conflicted).



* ''VideoGame/SlyCooper'': Sly (the Apathetic/Realist), Bentley (the Cynic), Murray (the Optimist), Carmelita (the Conflicted).
* The ''VideoGame/StarFox'' team. There's Falco (Cynic), Slippy (Optimist), Peppy (Realist) and Fox (Conflicted). When Krystal replaces Peppy in later games, she fills the Conflicted spot with Fox becoming more of a Realist.



* The playable characters of the ''{{Touhou}}'' Project: Reimu (the Cynic), Marisa (the Realist), Sanae (the Optimist), and Sakuya and Youmu taking turns being the Apathetic.
* The ''VideoGame/StarFox'' team. There's Falco (Cynic), Slippy (Optimist), Peppy (Realist) and Fox (Conflicted). When Krystal replaces Peppy in later games, she fills the Conflicted spot with Fox becoming more of a Realist.
* The boys in ''{{VisualNovel/Nameless}}'': Lance (the Cynic), Red (the Optimist), Tei (the Realist), Yuri (the Apathetic -- he does care but either expects things to work themselves out or acts without consulting the others) and Yeonho (the Conflicted).



** The Realist: Marko, Pavle, Katia
** The Cynic: Roman, Bruno, Emilia
** The Optimist: Zlata, Boris, Cveta
** The Apathetic: Marin, Arica, Anton
* All of the opposing and antithetical factions in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'':
** The Optimist: The Minutemen, as their original goal was to protect settlements out of good will but they were nearly wiped out after a string of bad luck. They can make a comeback and they are even more idealistic than ever despite all the shit they've been dragged through. They're flexible on policy when it comes to the Synths.
** The Cynic: The Institute, as they believe that it is futile to allow the Commonwealth to continue existing and want to start anew in a new society underground. However, the same people they claim to want to help fear them due to many of their own actions. To them, the Synth is JustAMachine.
** The Apathetic: The Railroad views the Synths as living, thinking beings worthy of respect, and wants to liberate all Synths from the Institute. The problem is that this is their ''ONLY'' goal and they don't really care about anyone else in the Commonwealth.
** The Realist: The Brotherhood of Steel. Ten years after [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} the war with the Enclave]], the original teachings of Elder Lyons have been lost since his death [[spoiler:and the death of his daughter, Sarah Lyons]]. Arthur Maxson is in charge and wants to try and expand into the Commonwealth to oppose the Institute. To them, Synths are abominations against technology and to be destroyed down to the last.
** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]], and [[TheAlcoholic Old Longfellow]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]], [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]], and [[TheCreon Porter Gage]]).

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** The Realist: Realists: Marko, Pavle, Katia
** The Cynic: Cynics: Roman, Bruno, Emilia
** The Optimist: Optimists: Zlata, Boris, Cveta
** The Apathetic: Apathetics: Marin, Arica, Anton
* All The playable characters of the opposing ''{{Touhou}}'' Project: Reimu (the Cynic), Marisa (the Realist), Sanae (the Optimist), and antithetical factions in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'':
** The Optimist: The Minutemen, as their original goal was to protect settlements out of good will but they were nearly wiped out after a string of bad luck. They can make a comeback
Sakuya and they are even more idealistic than ever despite all Youmu taking turns being the shit they've been dragged through. They're flexible on policy when it comes to the Synths.
** The Cynic: The Institute, as they believe that it is futile to allow the Commonwealth to continue existing and want to start anew in a new society underground. However, the same people they claim to want to help fear them due to many of their own actions. To them, the Synth is JustAMachine.
** The Apathetic: The Railroad views the Synths as living, thinking beings worthy of respect, and wants to liberate all Synths from the Institute. The problem is that this is their ''ONLY'' goal and they don't really care about anyone else in the Commonwealth.
** The Realist: The Brotherhood of Steel. Ten years after [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} the war with the Enclave]], the original teachings of Elder Lyons have been lost since his death [[spoiler:and the death of his daughter, Sarah Lyons]]. Arthur Maxson is in charge and wants to try and expand into the Commonwealth to oppose the Institute. To them, Synths are abominations against technology and to be destroyed down to the last.
** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]], and [[TheAlcoholic Old Longfellow]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]], [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]], and [[TheCreon Porter Gage]]).
Apathetic.
6th Oct '16 8:25:42 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Everworld}}'' - Jalil (the Cynic), David (the Optimist), April (the Realist), Christopher (the Conflicted), and Senna (something of the Apathetic).

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* ''{{Everworld}}'' ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' - Jalil (the Cynic), David (the Optimist), April (the Realist), Christopher (the Conflicted), and Senna (something of the Apathetic).
30th Aug '16 9:29:17 PM RomanBowler
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** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]], and [[TheAlcoholic Old Longfellow]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]], and [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]]).

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** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]], and [[TheAlcoholic Old Longfellow]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]], and [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]]).Ada]], and [[TheCreon Porter Gage]]).
19th May '16 1:18:13 PM RomanBowler
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** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]] and [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]] and [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]]).

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** Then there's your companions: the Optimists ([[TheParagon Preston]], [[ThePollyanna Curie]] and [[HardboiledDetective Nick Valentine]]), the Realists ([[BeingGoodSucks Piper]], [[BunnyEarsLawyer Hancock]] and [[TheAtoner Deacon]]), the Cynics ([[DarkActionGirl Cait]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]] and [[TokenEvilTeammate X6-88]]), X6-88]], and [[TheAlcoholic Old Longfellow]]), the Apathetics ([[CanineCompanion Dogmeat]], [[BattleButler Codsworth]] and [[HeartbrokenBadass MacCready]]) and the Conflicted ([[spoiler:[[TomatoInTheMirror Paladin Danse]]]] Danse]]]], [[DumbMuscle Strong]], and [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ada]]).
23rd Apr '16 11:42:57 AM tommibalogun_27
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* The ''VideoGame/SlyCooper'': Sly (the Apathetic/Realist), Bentley (the Cynic), Murray (the Optimist), Carmelita (the Conflicted).

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* The ''VideoGame/SlyCooper'': Sly (the Apathetic/Realist), Bentley (the Cynic), Murray (the Optimist), Carmelita (the Conflicted).
23rd Apr '16 11:42:16 AM tommibalogun_27
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''{{VisualNovel/Ever17}}'' female cast: You (the Optimist), Tsugumi (the Cynic), Sora (the Realist), and Sara/Coco (the Apathetics).

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*''{{VisualNovel/Ever17}}'' female cast: You (the Optimist), Tsugumi (the Cynic), Sora (the Realist), and Sara/Coco (the Apathetics).
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