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31st Dec '16 10:32:05 AM Bassball_Batman
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** Realist: Fefnir -- mostly just a competitive BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian for the fun of it, a lot like Leviathan, but a more encouraging character.

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** Realist: Fefnir -- mostly just a competitive BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian [[ItAmusedMe for the fun of it, it]], a lot like Leviathan, but a more encouraging character.



** Apathetic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] enough to retire [[LaResistance Resistance soldiers]] in the second game out of sheer boredom.

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** Apathetic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] enough to retire SociopathicHero [[NeverSayDie retiring]] hundreds of [[LaResistance Resistance soldiers]] in the second game out of sheer boredom.
31st Dec '16 8:07:33 AM Bassball_Batman
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** Cynic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; the most [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], ruthless AntiHero of them all, especially in the second game.
** Realist: Phantom -- not shown to think about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]) in the first game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic Anti-Hero measures of explosive-detonation (like a Cynic).

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** Cynic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; the most [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], ruthless AntiHero of them all, especially in the second game.
** Realist:
Phantom -- not shown out of fierce loyalty to think Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]), seldom thinks about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty and, therefore, resorts easily to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]) in the first game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic Anti-Hero measures of explosive-detonation (like explosive-detonation, for instance the factory in the first game.
** Realist: Fefnir -- mostly just
a Cynic).competitive BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian for the fun of it, a lot like Leviathan, but a more encouraging character.



** Apathetic: Fefnir -- competitive and can be an Anti-Hero much like Leviathan, but mostly just a BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian for the fun of it.

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** Apathetic: Fefnir Leviathan -- competitive and can be an Anti-Hero much like Leviathan, but mostly just a BloodKnight into defense preoccupied with her pride as a Guardian WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] enough to retire [[LaResistance Resistance soldiers]] in the fun second game out of it.sheer boredom.
5th Dec '16 2:34:41 PM Bassball_Batman
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** The Apathetic: The Railroad views the Synths as living, thinking beings worthy of respect, and wants to liberate all Synths from the Institute. The problem is that this is their ''ONLY'' goal and they don't really care about anyone else in the Commonwealth.

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** The Apathetic: The Railroad views the Synths as living, thinking beings worthy of respect, and wants to liberate all Synths from the Institute. The problem is that this is their ''ONLY'' '''''only''''' goal and they don't really care about anyone else in the Commonwealth.
5th Dec '16 1:03:31 PM Bassball_Batman
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Merrill]] (sweet and naive, wants to help her people) and [[WarriorPrince Sebastian]] (deeply religious) as Idealists, [[TeamMom Aveline]] (protector, group conscience) and [[TheStoryteller Varric]] (savvy, level-headed merchant prince) as Realists, [[PhlebotinumRebel Fenris]] (traumatized, bitter, and snarky warrior) as Cynic, and [[PirateGirl Isabela]] (flighty hedonist) as Apathetic. [[ByronicHero Anders]] straddles the line between Cynic and Idealist, being a WellIntentionedExtremist who combines self-sacrificing loyalty to his ideals with hostility and ruthlessness. [[PlayerCharacter Hawke]] themselves takes the role of the Conflicted, a SadClown who tries to maintain the peace in Kirkwall and amongst their companions, but often lets their desire for stability prevent them from being more proactive.

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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'':
** Cynic: [[PhlebotinumRebel Fenris]] -- traumatized, bitter, and snarky warrior
** Realists: [[TeamMom Aveline]] and [[TheStoryteller Varric]] -- the former as protector and group conscience; the latter as savvy, level-headed merchant prince
** Optimists: the two Idealists
[[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Merrill]] (sweet and naive, wants to help her people) and [[WarriorPrince Sebastian]] (deeply religious) as Idealists, [[TeamMom Aveline]] (protector, group conscience) -- the former sweet and [[TheStoryteller Varric]] (savvy, level-headed merchant prince) as Realists, [[PhlebotinumRebel Fenris]] (traumatized, bitter, and snarky warrior) as Cynic, and naive, wanting to help her people; the latter deeply religious.
** Apathetic:
[[PirateGirl Isabela]] (flighty hedonist) as Apathetic. -- flighty hedonist
** Conflicted: [[PlayerCharacter Hawke]] oneself takes this role -- a SadClown who tries to maintain the peace in Kirkwall and amongst the companions, but often lets desire for stability prevent him/her from being more proactive.
**
[[ByronicHero Anders]] straddles the line between Cynic and Idealist, being a WellIntentionedExtremist who combines self-sacrificing loyalty to his ideals with hostility and ruthlessness. [[PlayerCharacter Hawke]] themselves takes the role of the Conflicted, a SadClown who tries to maintain the peace in Kirkwall and amongst their companions, but often lets their desire for stability prevent them from being more proactive.ruthlessness.



** Cynic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; the most [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]] and least merciful AntiHero of them all, especially in the second game.

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** Cynic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; the most [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]] and least merciful Unfettered]], ruthless AntiHero of them all, especially in the second game.
5th Dec '16 12:45:09 PM Bassball_Batman
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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], X's [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for taking the high road]] brings out his Optimist side, contrasting Zero (Cynic), in which case TriggerHappy Axl is the middle ground (Realist) between the two.

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], X's [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for taking the high road]] brings out shows his Optimist side, contrasting Zero (Cynic), in which case TriggerHappy Axl is the middle ground middle-ground (Realist) between the two.



** Realist: Phantom -- not shown to think about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]) in the first game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic Anti-Hero measures of detonating explosives (like a Cynic).

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** Realist: Phantom -- not shown to think about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]) in the first game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic Anti-Hero measures of detonating explosives explosive-detonation (like a Cynic).
5th Dec '16 12:40:01 PM Bassball_Batman
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** Realist: Phantom -- not shown to think about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]) in the first game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic AntiHero measures of detonating explosives (like a Cynic).
** Optimist: Burble Hekelot -- does his job of protecting a Neo Arcadian forest very faithfully; driven least by selfish, prideful motives and farthest from AntiHero of all of them, besides Harpuia.
** Apathetic: Fefnir -- competitive and can be an AntiHero much like Leviathan, but mostly JustAlongForTheRide and a BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian mostly for the fun of it.

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** Realist: Phantom -- not shown to think about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]]) in the first game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic AntiHero Anti-Hero measures of detonating explosives (like a Cynic).
** Optimist: Burble Hekelot -- does his job of protecting a Neo Arcadian forest very faithfully; driven least by selfish, prideful motives and farthest from AntiHero Anti-Hero of all of them, besides Harpuia.
** Apathetic: Fefnir -- competitive and can be an AntiHero Anti-Hero much like Leviathan, but mostly JustAlongForTheRide and just a BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian mostly for the fun of it.
5th Dec '16 12:14:36 PM Bassball_Batman
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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus one other boss that appears in the first two games:
** Phantom (the Apathetic), Leviathan (the Cynic), Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), and Harpuia (the Conflicted).
** This is another odd case of an Optimist fading to the background and the X-like Conflicted character being more center-stage within the [[ValuesDissonance ethics clash]] with the Cynic.

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], the X's [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] taking the high road]] brings out X's his Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but side, contrasting Zero (Cynic), in which case TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
is the middle ground (Realist) between the two.
* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among Counting the 1st game's Four Guardians, plus one other boss that appears Guardians and the four bosses in the 2nd's "Chase Elpizo" mission (three of them the same, totaling five).
** Cynic: Leviathan -- preoccupied with her pride as a WorthyOpponent to any "Maverick" and [[DontYouDarePityMe not being condescended upon]] for being a female reploid, rather than X's legacy as she should focus on; the most [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]] and least merciful AntiHero of them all, especially in the second game.
** Realist: Phantom -- not shown to think about anything besides antipathy toward "Mavericks" and his fierce loyalty to Master X ([[spoiler:a copy, rather]])
in the first two games:
game, but his sense of honor (like an Optimist) drives him to the drastic AntiHero measures of detonating explosives (like a Cynic).
** Phantom (the Apathetic), Leviathan (the Cynic), Optimist: Burble Hekelot -- does his job of protecting a Neo Arcadian forest very faithfully; driven least by selfish, prideful motives and farthest from AntiHero of all of them, besides Harpuia.
** Apathetic:
Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), -- competitive and can be an AntiHero much like Leviathan, but mostly JustAlongForTheRide and a BloodKnight into defense as a Guardian mostly for the fun of it.
** Conflicted:
Harpuia (the Conflicted).
** This is another odd case
-- sense of honor and most merciful of all like an Optimist fading to (and does Guardian tasks for only the background and right reasons, contrasting Leviathan), yet still not easily trusting of anyone on the X-like Conflicted character being opposite side of the conflict; often pondering when to lean more center-stage within the [[ValuesDissonance ethics clash]] with the Cynic.to Cynic or Optimist in many situations.
2nd Dec '16 1:34:48 AM Bassball_Batman
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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism their murder-restraint ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
2nd Dec '16 1:33:49 AM Bassball_Batman
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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as their murder-restraint ethics, the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism their murder-restraint ethics, ethics]], the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
2nd Dec '16 1:18:19 AM Bassball_Batman
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* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus one other boss that appears in the first two games: Phantom (the Cynic), Leviathan (the Apathetic), Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), and Harpuia (the Conflicted).

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** Counting only the three Hunters as far as their murder-restraint ethics, the [[HonorBeforeReason honor code for believing in humans]] brings out X's Optimist side to contrast Zero, showing diplomatic but TriggerHappy Axl for his more overall Realist outlook.
* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' -- Among the Four Guardians, plus one other boss that appears in the first two games: games:
**
Phantom (the Cynic), Leviathan (the Apathetic), Leviathan (the Cynic), Fefnir (the Realist), Herculius Anchortus (the Optimist), and Harpuia (the Conflicted).Conflicted).
** This is another odd case of an Optimist fading to the background and the X-like Conflicted character being more center-stage within the [[ValuesDissonance ethics clash]] with the Cynic.
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