History ForWantOfANail / VideoGames

6th Oct '15 5:55:10 AM KingGrimlock
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* This is a major plot point in ''[[VideoGame/DarkCloud Dark Chronicle]]''. Emperor Griffon has destroyed the "orgin point" of several important places, which [[GadgeteerGenius Max]] and [[MagicKnight Monica]] have to fix.
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* This is a major plot point in ''[[VideoGame/DarkCloud Dark Chronicle]]''. Emperor Griffon has destroyed the "orgin "origin point" of several important places, which [[GadgeteerGenius Max]] and [[MagicKnight Monica]] have to fix.
23rd Sep '15 10:49:37 AM alexwong
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* In the FireEmblemJugdral timeline, the BigBad has a QuirkyMinibossSquad named the Dark Warlords. Well, in the second game of said saga (''Thracia 776''), some of the Warlords are people ''from your own chara roster'', who end up on the enemy side under different circumstances: getting killed in battle, not being recruited, or not being saved when they catch the DistressBall. These charas are: [[spoiler: Tanya's father Dagdar, Mareeta's father Galzus, the thief Lifis, Manfloy's granddaughter Sara, and TeamMom Evayle.]]
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* In the FireEmblemJugdral timeline, the BigBad has a QuirkyMinibossSquad named the Dark Warlords. Well, in the second game of said saga (''Thracia 776''), some of the Warlords are people ''from your own chara roster'', who end up on the enemy side under different circumstances: getting killed in battle, not being recruited, or not being saved when they catch the DistressBall. These charas characters are: [[spoiler: Tanya's father Dagdar, Mareeta's father Galzus, the thief Lifis, Manfloy's granddaughter Sara, and TeamMom Evayle.]]
6th Sep '15 10:39:28 AM Blazer
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** ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsReversal'' also explores this concept, thanks to the OriginalGeneration characters being {{Time Travel}}lers. The divergence point is the climax of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWingEndlessWaltz'', where Heero Yuy fails to penetrate the Brussels Presidential Bunker with the Wing Gundam Zero's "[[{{BFG}} Twin Buster Rifle]]". The originals' accidental time travel to the past leads to the formation of the "[[HeroesUnlimited Round Knights]]", and when they get to the critical moment where everything went wrong, [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Garrod Ran]] uses his Gundam Double X and its "[[{{BFG}} Twin Satellite Cannon]]" to back Heero up, averting the nightmare of the original timeline. This results in not only the heroes surviving, but {{Retcon}}s the more depressing ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'' and ''[[Anime/MartianSuccessorNadesico Martian Successor Nadesico: The Prince of Darkness]]'' out of existence, since the advanced technology the originals brought back allows the machines from those films to be created years earlier and piloted by the younger, non-screwed up versions of their original pilots.
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** ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsReversal'' also explores this concept, thanks to the OriginalGeneration characters being {{Time Travel}}lers. The divergence point is the climax of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWingEndlessWaltz'', where Heero Yuy fails to penetrate the Brussels Presidential Bunker with the Wing Gundam Zero's "[[{{BFG}} Twin Buster Rifle]]". The originals' accidental time travel to the past leads to the formation of the "[[HeroesUnlimited Round Knights]]", and when they get to the critical moment where everything went wrong, [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Garrod Ran]] uses his Gundam Double X and its "[[{{BFG}} Twin Satellite Cannon]]" to back Heero up, averting the nightmare of the original timeline. This results in not only the heroes surviving, but {{Retcon}}s the more depressing ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'', ''[[Anime/MartianSuccessorNadesico Martian Successor Nadesico: The Prince of Darkness]]'' and ''Anime/{{Zambot 3}} out of existence, since the advanced technology the originals brought back allows the machines from those films to be created years earlier and piloted by the younger, non-screwed up versions of their original pilots.pilots as well as preventing the heroes of the latter series from dying as they did in the original series.

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** ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsReversal'' also explores this concept, thanks * The ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' video game "Tomo to Kimi to Koko de" you can pull off a better ending by completing side-stories or performing actions, leading to the OriginalGeneration characters only canonical character dying being {{Time Travel}}lers. The divergence point is Flay Allster. On the climax of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWingEndlessWaltz'', other hand, ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsW'' ends up giving the ''best'' ending by saying "This is what happens if ''Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray'' got too involved in these events?" where Heero Yuy fails to penetrate the Brussels Presidential Bunker with the Wing Gundam Zero's "[[{{BFG}} Twin Buster Rifle]]". The originals' accidental time travel to the past leads to the formation of the "[[HeroesUnlimited Round Knights]]", and when they get to the critical moment where everything went wrong, [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Garrod Ran]] uses his Gundam Double X and its "[[{{BFG}} Twin Satellite Cannon]]" to back Heero up, averting the nightmare of the original timeline. This results in not only the heroes surviving, but {{Retcon}}s the more depressing ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'' and ''[[Anime/MartianSuccessorNadesico Martian Successor Nadesico: The Prince of Darkness]]'' out of existence, since the advanced technology the originals brought back allows the machines from those films to be created years earlier and piloted by the younger, non-screwed up versions of their original pilots.''no one dies''.
23rd Aug '15 4:19:35 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[VideoGame/GundamVsSeries Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs Zeta Gundam]]'' has several WhatIf storylines, but the one that best fits this trope is the Project Zeta story, where Garma Zabi surviving his fate from [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam the original series]], which leads to other characters killed by Amuro and the Gundam surviving, and eventually to [[TheEmpire Zeon]] winning the One Year War. But then it veers sharply into InSpiteOfANail, as the rest of the storyline is just ''First Gundam'''s events played out with older characters and ''ZetaGundam''-era [[HumongousMecha mecha]], even when several of those events already occurred even in the altered timeline.
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* ''[[VideoGame/GundamVsSeries Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs Zeta Gundam]]'' has several WhatIf storylines, but the one that best fits this trope is the Project Zeta story, where Garma Zabi surviving his fate from [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam the original series]], which leads to other characters killed by Amuro and the Gundam surviving, and eventually to [[TheEmpire Zeon]] winning the One Year War. But then it veers sharply into InSpiteOfANail, as the rest of the storyline is just ''First Gundam'''s events played out with older characters and ''ZetaGundam''-era ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam''-era [[HumongousMecha mecha]], even when several of those events already occurred even in the altered timeline.
21st Aug '15 6:25:21 PM nombretomado
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** There are a couple of other noteworthy alternate story paths; each of the three big heroes (Kamille, Amuro, and Char) has a storyline where they end up with [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Titans]], with varying degrees of believability [[note]]For Kamille, [[LaResistance the AEUG]] caused the deaths of his parents so he wants revenge; Amuro and Lalah (who is still alive here) joined the Newtype labs, which were later absorbed by the Titans; Char's plot ties into Project Zeta, as he joins the Titans as Quattro Bajeena after he kills Garma[[/note]]. There's also a route that re-creates ''CharsCounterattack'' six years early and is a KillEmAll DownerEnding.
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** There are a couple of other noteworthy alternate story paths; each of the three big heroes (Kamille, Amuro, and Char) has a storyline where they end up with [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Titans]], with varying degrees of believability [[note]]For Kamille, [[LaResistance the AEUG]] caused the deaths of his parents so he wants revenge; Amuro and Lalah (who is still alive here) joined the Newtype labs, which were later absorbed by the Titans; Char's plot ties into Project Zeta, as he joins the Titans as Quattro Bajeena after he kills Garma[[/note]]. There's also a route that re-creates ''CharsCounterattack'' ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'' six years early and is a KillEmAll DownerEnding.
20th Aug '15 7:12:26 AM ragnarok235
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* In ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'', a spiritually wounded [[TheProtagonist Booker]] sought cleansing himself through baptism after taking part in the atrocities of the Battle of Wounded Knee. He didn't go through with it and rejected the idea of ever redeeming himself, and so this lead him to a life of alcoholism and gambling debts. [[spoiler:This is a good thing, as in another reality, he accepted being baptised, found religion, and changed his name to ''[[BigBad Zachary Comstock]]''. Yes, you did read that right.]]
4th Jul '15 2:25:24 PM nombretomado
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* The ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' games deal with the attempts of the immortal vampire Kain to change his fate and that of the world of Nosgoth, which are tied. Frequent use of time travel is made by Kain, Raziel, and Mobius the Timestreamer to advance their own agendas. For example: Mobius traveled back in time in the first chapter of the series "BloodOmen" and corrupted the King William the Just, turning him into The Nemesis, who threatened to conquer all of Nosgoth in the future. Kain inadvertently travels back to this time period, where he kills William the Just before he manages to become The Nemesis. When he returns to the present, Kain realizes that by killing William the Just he has sparked a genocide against vampires that left him the last in all of Nosgoth.
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* The ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' games deal with the attempts of the immortal vampire Kain to change his fate and that of the world of Nosgoth, which are tied. Frequent use of time travel is made by Kain, Raziel, and Mobius the Timestreamer to advance their own agendas. For example: Mobius traveled back in time in the first chapter of the series "BloodOmen" "[[VideoGame/LegacyOfKain Blood Omen]]" and corrupted the King William the Just, turning him into The Nemesis, who threatened to conquer all of Nosgoth in the future. Kain inadvertently travels back to this time period, where he kills William the Just before he manages to become The Nemesis. When he returns to the present, Kain realizes that by killing William the Just he has sparked a genocide against vampires that left him the last in all of Nosgoth.
4th Jul '15 2:16:05 PM nombretomado
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* The ''LegacyOfKain'' games deal with the attempts of the immortal vampire Kain to change his fate and that of the world of Nosgoth, which are tied. Frequent use of time travel is made by Kain, Raziel, and Mobius the Timestreamer to advance their own agendas. For example: Mobius traveled back in time in the first chapter of the series "BloodOmen" and corrupted the King William the Just, turning him into The Nemesis, who threatened to conquer all of Nosgoth in the future. Kain inadvertently travels back to this time period, where he kills William the Just before he manages to become The Nemesis. When he returns to the present, Kain realizes that by killing William the Just he has sparked a genocide against vampires that left him the last in all of Nosgoth.
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* The ''LegacyOfKain'' ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' games deal with the attempts of the immortal vampire Kain to change his fate and that of the world of Nosgoth, which are tied. Frequent use of time travel is made by Kain, Raziel, and Mobius the Timestreamer to advance their own agendas. For example: Mobius traveled back in time in the first chapter of the series "BloodOmen" and corrupted the King William the Just, turning him into The Nemesis, who threatened to conquer all of Nosgoth in the future. Kain inadvertently travels back to this time period, where he kills William the Just before he manages to become The Nemesis. When he returns to the present, Kain realizes that by killing William the Just he has sparked a genocide against vampires that left him the last in all of Nosgoth.
4th Jun '15 1:55:47 PM cricri3007
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** In the DLC ''The Darkspawn Chronicles'' , the nail is that the Warden died during the Joining, leaving Alistair alone to stop the Blight. He does quite well, considering his utmost refusal to lead in the main game [[spoiler: but you kill him before he kills the Archdemon]].
3rd Jun '15 4:50:38 AM Prfnoff
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* The [[UpdatedRerelease Playstation Portable version]] of {{Persona 3}} hints at what would happen differently if the gloomy looking main character were replaced with an energetic looking girl. The answer? [[spoiler:[[InSpiteOfANail Not very much]], it seems. She still sacrifices herself to hold Nyx back. The very most she can do is prevent the death of [[EnsembleDarkHorse Shinjiro Aragaki]]. And he only lives a few more months, since he's dead in the canonical "The Answer".]] ** Except {{Persona 3}} [[UpdatedRerelease Portable]] came out [[spoiler: after FES]], so it's possible [[spoiler: Shinjiro is still alive in the Female PC's version of The Answer.]]
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* The ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} [[UpdatedRerelease Playstation Portable version]] of {{Persona 3}} Portable]]'' hints at what would happen differently if the gloomy looking main character were replaced with an energetic looking girl. The answer? [[spoiler:[[InSpiteOfANail Not very much]], it seems. She still sacrifices herself to hold Nyx back. The very most she can do is prevent the death of [[EnsembleDarkHorse Shinjiro Aragaki]]. And he only lives a few more months, since he's dead in the canonical "The Answer".]] ** Except {{Persona 3}} [[UpdatedRerelease Portable]] ''Persona 3 Portable'' came out [[spoiler: after FES]], so it's possible [[spoiler: Shinjiro is still alive in the Female PC's version of The Answer.]]

* In ''[[BaldursGate Throne of Bhaal]]'', the Solar reveals that Sarevok, the first BigBad of the series, was also one of the Bhaalspawn children about to be sacrificed at the temple where Gorion found and rescued you. Gorion only had the opportunity to save one child, and he chose you instead of Sarevok. The Solar then shows you a vision where Sarevok was saved and you were not: [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent he was]] TheHero, [[NotSoDifferent and you were an eviler]] BigBad [[NotSoDifferent than he ever was]]]].
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* In ''[[BaldursGate ''VideoGame/BaldursGate 2: Throne of Bhaal]]'', Bhaal'', the Solar reveals that Sarevok, the first BigBad of the series, was also one of the Bhaalspawn children about to be sacrificed at the temple where Gorion found and rescued you. Gorion only had the opportunity to save one child, and he chose you instead of Sarevok. The Solar then shows you a vision where Sarevok was saved and you were not: [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent he was]] TheHero, [[NotSoDifferent and you were an eviler]] BigBad [[NotSoDifferent than he ever was]]]].

* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'' is set in an AlternateUniverse where a cab accident WinstonChurchill [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_F._Cantasano was involved in]] caused his death, as opposed to the mild injuries he suffered in real life. Without his leadership, Europe, North Africa and the Middle East are all conquered by the Nazis and as of the start of the game, they are launching a full scale invasion of the United States.
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* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'' ''VideoGame/TurningPointFallOfLiberty'' is set in an AlternateUniverse where a cab accident WinstonChurchill [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_F._Cantasano was involved in]] caused his death, as opposed to the mild injuries he suffered in real life. Without his leadership, Europe, North Africa and the Middle East are all conquered by the Nazis and as of the start of the game, they are launching a full scale invasion of the United States.
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