History FollowTheLeader / TableTopGames

13th May '17 4:25:03 PM nombretomado
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' began as a spin-off of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' set [[AC:[[RecycledInSpace In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future!]]]], with everything that appeared in ''Warhammer Fatnasy'' having some futuristic counterpart. While the setting has since matured and has in fact overshadowed its predecessor, ''40k'' has gone on to inspire other works - compare its power-armored Space Marines, psychic and technological Eldar, and skittering hordes of Tyranids to the power-armored Terran Marines, psychic and technological Protoss, and skittering hordes of Zerg found in ''{{Starcraft}}''. This inevitably leads to arguments and flame wars when gamers don't realize that ''40k'' is OlderThanTheyThink, such as when one [[http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/25/how-many-ways-can-thqs-space-marine-game-rip-off-gears-of-war/ reviewer]] accused THQ and Games Workshop of ripping-off ''GearsOfWar'' for the game ''VideoGame/Warhammer40000SpaceMarine''. (After ''40k'' fanboys complained vociferously, he revised the review to clarify that he was referring more to gameplay and general feel than to setting, the latter of which he admitted to knowing little about.)

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' began as a spin-off of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' set [[AC:[[RecycledInSpace In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future!]]]], with everything that appeared in ''Warhammer Fatnasy'' having some futuristic counterpart. While the setting has since matured and has in fact overshadowed its predecessor, ''40k'' has gone on to inspire other works - compare its power-armored Space Marines, psychic and technological Eldar, and skittering hordes of Tyranids to the power-armored Terran Marines, psychic and technological Protoss, and skittering hordes of Zerg found in ''{{Starcraft}}''.''VideoGame/StarCraft''. This inevitably leads to arguments and flame wars when gamers don't realize that ''40k'' is OlderThanTheyThink, such as when one [[http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/25/how-many-ways-can-thqs-space-marine-game-rip-off-gears-of-war/ reviewer]] accused THQ and Games Workshop of ripping-off ''GearsOfWar'' for the game ''VideoGame/Warhammer40000SpaceMarine''. (After ''40k'' fanboys complained vociferously, he revised the review to clarify that he was referring more to gameplay and general feel than to setting, the latter of which he admitted to knowing little about.)
27th Mar '17 1:49:49 PM Bense
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' was the original point-buy roleplaying game. Originally, that made ''Champions'' unique; but nowadays point-buy is the ''preferred'' method of character generation among tabletop gamers. This means that a majority of roleplaying games out there (including, amazingly enough, ''D&D'') are now playing FollowTheLeader with ''Champions''.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' was the original point-buy roleplaying game. Originally, that made ''Champions'' unique; but nowadays point-buy is the ''preferred'' a very common method of character generation among tabletop gamers. This means that a majority of roleplaying games out there (including, amazingly enough, ''D&D'') (even the current version of ''D&D'' has an optional point-buy system) are now playing FollowTheLeader with ''Champions''.
20th Feb '17 12:20:33 AM jormis29
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, two of its unsuccessful imitators, ''Spellfire'' and ''Dragon Dice'', was produced by Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro two years later).

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, two of its unsuccessful imitators, ''Spellfire'' ''TabletopGame/{{Spellfire}}'' and ''Dragon Dice'', ''TabletopGame/DragonDice'', was produced by Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro two years later).
26th Nov '16 3:10:00 PM nombretomado
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' was the original point-buy roleplaying game. Originally, that made ''{{Champions}}'' unique; but nowadays point-buy is the ''preferred'' method of character generation among tabletop gamers. This means that a majority of roleplaying games out there (including, amazingly enough, ''D&D'') are now playing FollowTheLeader with ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}''.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' was the original point-buy roleplaying game. Originally, that made ''{{Champions}}'' ''Champions'' unique; but nowadays point-buy is the ''preferred'' method of character generation among tabletop gamers. This means that a majority of roleplaying games out there (including, amazingly enough, ''D&D'') are now playing FollowTheLeader with ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}''.''Champions''.
16th Dec '15 11:43:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' casts the same sort of shadow over role-playing games (and that's '''''all''''' role-playing games ever produced, whether they be tabletop or video games) that {{Superman}} casts over superhero comic books. If it's a role-playing game, it's playing Follow the Leader with ''D&D''. Even the recent trend toward more experimental games with more loosely-defined and user-contributed rules, such as ''{{TabletopGame/Fiasco}}'' or ''MyLifeWithMaster'', is effectively one of {{Deconstruction}} of the TropeCreator.

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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' casts the same sort of shadow over role-playing games (and that's '''''all''''' role-playing games ever produced, whether they be tabletop or video games) that {{Superman}} casts over superhero comic books. If it's a role-playing game, it's playing Follow the Leader with ''D&D''. Even the recent trend toward more experimental games with more loosely-defined and user-contributed rules, such as ''{{TabletopGame/Fiasco}}'' or ''MyLifeWithMaster'', ''TabletopGame/MyLifeWithMaster'', is effectively one of {{Deconstruction}} of the TropeCreator.



* ''{{Champions}}'' was the original point-buy roleplaying game. Originally, that made ''{{Champions}}'' unique; but nowadays point-buy is the ''preferred'' method of character generation among tabletop gamers. This means that a majority of roleplaying games out there (including, amazingly enough, ''D&D'') are now playing FollowTheLeader with ''{{Champions}}''.
** In a more specific manner, ''{{GURPS}}'' was a directly FollowTheLeader creation, inspired by ''{{Champions}}''.

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* ''{{Champions}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' was the original point-buy roleplaying game. Originally, that made ''{{Champions}}'' unique; but nowadays point-buy is the ''preferred'' method of character generation among tabletop gamers. This means that a majority of roleplaying games out there (including, amazingly enough, ''D&D'') are now playing FollowTheLeader with ''{{Champions}}''.
** In a more specific manner, ''{{GURPS}}'' was a directly FollowTheLeader creation, inspired by ''{{Champions}}''.
''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}''.
14th Oct '14 4:39:39 PM HeartBurnKid
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, one of its unsuccessful imitators, ''Dragon Dice'', was produced by Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro two years later).

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, one two of its unsuccessful imitators, ''Spellfire'' and ''Dragon Dice'', was produced by Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro two years later).
14th May '14 5:06:11 PM Prfnoff
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, one of its unsuccessful imitators was ''Dragon Dice'', from Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro two years later).

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, one of its unsuccessful imitators was imitators, ''Dragon Dice'', from was produced by Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro two years later).
14th May '14 5:05:05 PM Prfnoff
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* ''DungeonsAndDragons'' casts the same sort of shadow over role-playing games (and that's '''''all''''' role-playing games ever produced, whether they be tabletop or video games) that {{Superman}} casts over superhero comic books. If it's a role-playing game, it's playing Follow the Leader with ''D&D''. Even the recent trend toward more experimental games with more loosely-defined and user-contributed rules, such as ''{{TabletopGame/Fiasco}}'' or ''MyLifeWithMaster'', is effectively one of {{Deconstruction}} of the TropeCreator.
* ''MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''D&D''.
* As a result of these first two examples, Wizards of the Coast basically owns this trope. Literally: they make both ''DungeonsAndDragons'' and ''MagicTheGathering'' (although saying they're "the leader" in the case of D&D may be an overstatement, since the only reason it's theirs is that they bought out the ''original'' publisher- and then ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro).

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* ''DungeonsAndDragons'' ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' casts the same sort of shadow over role-playing games (and that's '''''all''''' role-playing games ever produced, whether they be tabletop or video games) that {{Superman}} casts over superhero comic books. If it's a role-playing game, it's playing Follow the Leader with ''D&D''. Even the recent trend toward more experimental games with more loosely-defined and user-contributed rules, such as ''{{TabletopGame/Fiasco}}'' or ''MyLifeWithMaster'', is effectively one of {{Deconstruction}} of the TropeCreator.
* ''MagicTheGathering'' ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' is the TradingCardGame equivalent of ''D&D''.
* As a result
''Dungeons & Dragons''. In fact, one of these first two examples, its unsuccessful imitators was ''Dragon Dice'', from Creator/{{TSR}}, the makers of ''Dungeons & Dragons'', and the commercial failure of ''Dragon Dice'' was a major reason why TSR and its franchises were sold to Wizards of the Coast basically owns this trope. Literally: they make both ''DungeonsAndDragons'' and ''MagicTheGathering'' (although saying they're "the leader" in the case of D&D may be an overstatement, since the only reason it's theirs is that they bought out the ''original'' publisher- and then (though ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro).Hasbro two years later).
30th Mar '14 10:17:43 AM Kayube
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* As a result of these first two examples,. Wizard of the West Coast basically owns this trope. Literally: they make both ''DungeonsAndDragons'' and ''MagicTheGathering'' (although saying they're "the leader" in the case of D&D may be an overstatement, since the only reason it's theirs is that they bought out the ''original'' publisher).

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* As a result of these first two examples,. Wizard examples, Wizards of the West Coast basically owns this trope. Literally: they make both ''DungeonsAndDragons'' and ''MagicTheGathering'' (although saying they're "the leader" in the case of D&D may be an overstatement, since the only reason it's theirs is that they bought out the ''original'' publisher).publisher- and then ''they'' got bought out by Hasbro).
20th Nov '13 12:51:28 PM EarlOfSandvich
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** Besides video games, ''40k'' and ''Warhammer Fantasy'' helped spawn other tabletop wargames, most notably ''{{Warmachine}}'' and ''{{Hordes}}''.

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** Besides video games, ''40k'' and ''Warhammer Fantasy'' helped spawn other tabletop wargames, most notably ''{{Warmachine}}'' and ''{{Hordes}}''.the ''TabletopGame/IronKingdoms'' games.
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