History Film / Valkyrie

26th Apr '16 9:34:37 PM Turtler
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: What drives the entire plot. The German officer corps may be full of racists and militarists in the vein of Staufffenberg Rundstedt, but they're not ''genocidally'' racist like Manstein and Guderian.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: What drives the entire plot. The German officer corps may be full of racists and militarists in the vein of Staufffenberg and Rundstedt, but they're not ''genocidally'' racist like Manstein and Guderian.



* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The plotters are portrayed as this in the film. Apparently the [[http://www.verbrechen-der-wehrmacht.de/docs/home_e.htm German officer corps actually cared about Jewish people, was disgusted by their slaughter]], and masterminded a plot to assassinate Hitler that would include the closing of concentration camps. In reality the German officer corps, especially the aristocratic elements that made up a fair chunk of it and the plotters, were strongly authoritarian and murderously anti-leftist. Former Social Democratic Party members who believed in equality they were ''not''. In many cases, the plotters only turned on Hitler because he was losing the war, and had every intention of fighting on against the Soviet Union. It is however true that it would have been difficult for the audience to get behind protagonists who disagreed with less than 20% of Nazi ideology.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The plotters are portrayed as this in the film. Apparently the [[http://www.verbrechen-der-wehrmacht.de/docs/home_e.htm German officer corps actually cared about Jewish people, was disgusted by their slaughter]], and masterminded a plot to assassinate Hitler that would include the closing of concentration camps. In reality the German officer corps, especially the aristocratic elements that made up a fair chunk of it and the plotters, were strongly authoritarian and murderously anti-leftist. Former Social Democratic Party members anti-leftist and pro-German. Covert Republicans who believed in equality and democracy they were ''not''. In many cases, the plotters only turned on Hitler because he was losing the war, and had every intention of fighting on against the Soviet Union. It is however true that it would have been difficult for the audience to get behind protagonists who disagreed with less than 20% of Nazi ideology.
26th Apr '16 9:29:35 PM Turtler
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: What drives the entire plot. The German officer corps may be full of racists and anti-communists in the vein of Hindenburg and Rundstedt, but they're not ''genocidally'' racist like Manstein and Guderian.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: What drives the entire plot. The German officer corps may be full of racists and anti-communists militarists in the vein of Hindenburg and Staufffenberg Rundstedt, but they're not ''genocidally'' racist like Manstein and Guderian.
8th Mar '16 1:48:17 PM dangerdan97
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* AmbitionMakesYouEvil: Invoked in reference to Fromm, though in this case, it's more "Ambition makes you pliable". Given that Fromm is the only person who can officially initiate Valkyrie, Beck asks if he can be brought to their side. Tresckow and Olbricht note that Fromm is a "careerist pig" and has never hidden his displeasure at the fact he's gone as far as he can under the Nazis. Beck tells them to offer him a key position in the new regime in exchange for his support.

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* AmbitionMakesYouEvil: AmbitionIsEvil: Invoked in reference to Fromm, though in this case, it's more "Ambition makes you pliable". Given that Fromm is the only person who can officially initiate Valkyrie, Beck asks if he can be brought to their side. Tresckow and Olbricht note that Fromm is a "careerist pig" and has never hidden his displeasure at the fact he's gone as far as he can under the Nazis. Beck tells them to offer him a key position in the new regime in exchange for his support.
8th Mar '16 1:47:17 PM dangerdan97
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* FantasticRacism: To be expected in a film regarding the Nazis. The best example is in the leadup to the actual bomb attempt, when Stauffenberg overhears Keitel tell a junior officer the strategy meeting has been moved forward by an hour because Mussolini is arriving later that day and Hitler wants to have lunch with him. When Stauffenberg asks if Mussolini will be joining them for the briefing, Keitel replies that he wishes so, if only so some officer might do them all a favour and ''"take the opportunity to shoot that dago bastard!"''

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* FantasticRacism: To be expected in a film regarding the Nazis. The best example is in the leadup to the actual bomb attempt, when Stauffenberg overhears Keitel tell a junior officer the strategy meeting has been moved forward by an hour because Mussolini is arriving later that day and Hitler wants to have lunch with him. When Stauffenberg asks if Mussolini will be joining them for the briefing, Keitel replies that he wishes so, if only so some officer might do them all a favour and ''"take the opportunity to shoot that dago bastard!"''


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* MasterRace: To be expected in a film regarding the Nazis. The best example is in the leadup to the actual bomb attempt, when Stauffenberg overhears Keitel tell a junior officer the strategy meeting has been moved forward by an hour because Mussolini is arriving later that day and Hitler wants to have lunch with him. When Stauffenberg asks if Mussolini will be joining them for the briefing, Keitel replies that he wishes so, if only so some officer might do them all a favour and ''"take the opportunity to shoot that dago bastard!"''
3rd Feb '16 9:10:17 AM outlander2012
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->''"We have to show the world that not all of us are like him. Otherwise, this will always be Hitler's Germany."''

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->''"We have to show the world ->''"It only matters that not all of us are like him. we act, '''now''', before we lose the war. Otherwise, this will always be Hitler's Germany.Germany...and we have to show the world that not all of us were like him."''
3rd Feb '16 9:08:16 AM outlander2012
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3rd Feb '16 9:04:44 AM outlander2012
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* AmbitionMakesYouEvil: Invoked in reference to Fromm, though in this case, it's more "Ambition makes you susceptible". Given that Fromm is the only person who can officially initiate Valkyrie, Beck asks if he can be brought to their side. Tresckow and Olbricht note that Fromm is a "careerist pig" and has never hidden his displeasure at the fact he's gone as far as he can under the Nazis. Beck tells them to offer him a key position in the new regime in exchange for his support.

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* AmbitionMakesYouEvil: Invoked in reference to Fromm, though in this case, it's more "Ambition makes you susceptible".pliable". Given that Fromm is the only person who can officially initiate Valkyrie, Beck asks if he can be brought to their side. Tresckow and Olbricht note that Fromm is a "careerist pig" and has never hidden his displeasure at the fact he's gone as far as he can under the Nazis. Beck tells them to offer him a key position in the new regime in exchange for his support.


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* EvilIsPetty: Fromm [[spoiler: makes it plain he doesn't mind looking the other way so long as Keitel, who has spent a good part of the film's first half chewing him out and humiliating him, gets what's coming to him]].
-->'''Fromm''': I don't know what you're brewing up and I don't want to know. [[spoiler: But when the music stops, I'd be obliged if Keitel found himself without a chair]].
2nd Feb '16 3:49:52 AM outlander2012
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* FantasticRacism: To be exacted in a film regarding the Nazis. The best example is in the leadup to the actual bomb attempt, when Stauffenberg overhears Keitel tell a junior officer the strategy meeting has been moved forward by an hour because Mussolini is arriving later that day and Hitler wants to have lunch with him. When Stauffenberg asks if Mussolini will be joining them for the briefing, Keitel replies that he wishes so, if only so some officer might do them all a favour and ''"take the opportunity to shoot that dago bastard!"''

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* FantasticRacism: To be exacted expected in a film regarding the Nazis. The best example is in the leadup to the actual bomb attempt, when Stauffenberg overhears Keitel tell a junior officer the strategy meeting has been moved forward by an hour because Mussolini is arriving later that day and Hitler wants to have lunch with him. When Stauffenberg asks if Mussolini will be joining them for the briefing, Keitel replies that he wishes so, if only so some officer might do them all a favour and ''"take the opportunity to shoot that dago bastard!"''


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* LetUsNeverSpeakOfThisAgain: When Olbricht and Stauffenberg attempt to recruit Fromm a little too openly, he reminds them they are bound by oath to serve the Fuhrer. [[spoiler: He then disconnects the (presumably bugged) phone and tells the pair he will overlook what they just said on the understanding they never do so in his presence again]].


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* Fromm, when he realises Olbricht and Stauffenberg are there to recruit him for the resistance, in his office in the middle of the day, surrounded by countless soldiers and other officers loyal to the Nazi Party.
2nd Feb '16 3:28:38 AM outlander2012
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* AmbitionMakesYouEvil: Invoked in reference to Fromm, though in this case, it's more "Ambition makes you susceptible". Given that Fromm is the only person who can officially initiate Valkyrie, Beck asks if he can be brought to their side. Tresckow and Olbricht note that Fromm is a "careerist pig" and has never hidden his displeasure at the fact he's gone as far as he can under the Nazis. Beck tells them to offer him a key position in the new regime in exchange for his support.



** Stauffenberg considers Goerdeler this because of his reluctance to kill Hitler in favour of a political solution to remove the Fuhrer.
-->'''Stauffenberg''': ''[to Goerdeler]'' You don't have the courage to kill Hitler, so you are making the task impossible!
** While Stauffenberg tries to recruit Fellgiebel into the conspiracy, he angrily accuses the conspirators of being this in a bid to save their own skins now the war is clearly a lost cause. His own remarks about the pointlessness of trying it could also paint him in this trope.
-->'''Erich Fellgiebel''': ''[to Stauffenber]'' You're nothing but rats jumping from a sinking ship! What makes you think you'll be any different?! What makes you think you're stronger than the people?! The Reich?! The '''''very momentum of history!'''''
* DidntThinkThisThrough: Stauffenberg implies this to Treskcow, pointing out that even if they succeed in removing Hitler, they haven't taken dealing with the more fanatical elements of the Nazi regime that will remain into account.
-->'''Von Stauffenberg''': They're confusing respect with popularity. The army swore an oath, an oath that ''won't'' just die with Hitler. How are you going to deal with Goebbels, Himmler, the SS?! They will wipe you out!



** It's probably because Remer undid the entire plot. Assuming he hadn't believed Himmler and arrested him rather than permitting him to put him on the phone with Hitler, it might have gone very differently...

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** It's probably because Remer undid the entire plot. Assuming he hadn't believed Himmler Goebbels and arrested him rather than permitting him to put him on the phone with Hitler, it might have gone very differently...


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** Beck, Goerdeler and Witzleben exchange a look that screams this when Olbricht points out any changes they make to Valkyrie to suit their needs will require Hitler's approval.
2nd Feb '16 3:07:11 AM outlander2012
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* FantasticRacism: To be exacted in a film regarding the Nazis. The best example is in the leadup to the actual bomb attempt, when Stauffenberg overhears Keitel tell a junior officer the strategy meeting has been moved forward by an hour because Mussolini is arriving later that day and Hitler wants to have lunch with him. When Stauffenberg asks if Mussolini will be joining them for the briefing, Keitel replies that he wishes so, if only so some officer might do them all a favour and ''"take the opportunity to shoot that dago bastard!"''
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