History Film / Valkyrie

27th May '17 10:23:13 AM rmctagg09
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* DecapitationStrike: Colonel von Stauffenberg, in collusion with several other German officers and politicians, stashes a bomb in the Wolfsschanze, the Nazi German military headquarters, during a 1944 meeting headed by Hitler. Though some generals and officers are killed, Hitler himself survives, and promptly orders his Schutzstaffel to arrest and execute the conspirators.
20th May '17 5:30:54 AM LtFedora
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** Fromm gets another one when the plot starts. He calls Wolfschanze and speaks to Keitel, who informs him of the failed assassination attempt. Then, Keitel asks where Stauffenberg is, making Fromm realize that the plot is already traced to his office.

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** Fromm gets another one when the plot starts. He calls Wolfschanze Wolfsschanze and speaks to Keitel, who informs him of the failed assassination attempt. Then, Keitel asks where Stauffenberg is, making Fromm realize that the plot is already traced to his office.
10th May '17 6:15:51 PM kraas
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** At the beginning of the film, Hitler flies to the Eastern Front in a Junkers Ju 52. However, his personal plane at the time was a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 (none which survived the war, save one wreck that was eventually turned into a museum exhibit).

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** At the beginning of the film, Hitler flies to the Eastern Front in a Junkers Ju 52. However, his personal plane at the time was a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 (none of which survived the war, save one wreck that was eventually turned into a museum exhibit).
6th May '17 11:12:55 AM jamespolk
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* AFatherToHisMen: In the opening, Stauffenberg's only concern is that his men get out of Africa alive. When the British attack, he helps a subordinate into a Kübelwagen before trying to get away.



* AFatherToHisMen: In the opening, Stauffenberg's only concern is that his men get out of Africa alive. When the British attack, he helps a subordinate into a Kübelwagen before trying to get away.



** Curiously, one of Stauffenberg's colleagues said that he intended to declare Germany a worker's state, make a deal with Stalin, and fight on against the Western allies, with or without the Red Army. Stauffenberg, according to this source, thought that the Americans and British would be easier to beat. Exactly the opposite of the [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Führer]]'s views, who had tried ever since 1943 to find a foothold for peace talks with the Western Allies, but never conceived [[SuicidalOverconfidence anything else than complete victory]] [[FinalSolution and annihilation]] for the [[DirtyCommunists Soviet Untermenschen]].
** There is a lot of controversy about the ideological principles of the plotters. We do know that they intended to stop the Final Solution, that they wanted to continue the fight against the Soviet Union, and that they intended to establish at least a token/weak democracy in the vein of Imperial Germany. We don't know much else, including why they and most of their families were executed, as there were very few living witnesses to convey their motives.

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** Curiously, one of Stauffenberg's colleagues said that he intended to declare Germany a worker's state, make a deal with Stalin, and fight on against the Western allies, with or without the Red Army. Stauffenberg, according to this source, thought that the Americans and British would be easier to beat. Exactly the opposite of the [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Führer]]'s views, who had tried ever since 1943 to find a foothold for peace talks with the Western Allies, but never conceived [[SuicidalOverconfidence anything else than complete victory]] [[FinalSolution and annihilation]] for the [[DirtyCommunists Soviet Untermenschen]].
** There is a lot of controversy about the ideological principles of the plotters. We do know that they intended to stop the Final Solution, that they wanted to continue the fight against the Soviet Union, and that they intended to establish at least a token/weak democracy in the vein of Imperial Germany. We also know that they hoped to retain Hitler's pre-war conquests--Austria, the Sudetenland, Memel--as well as the "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor Polish Corridor]]", transferred from Poland to Germany after World War I and annexed back to Germany after Hitler conquered Poland at the start of World War II. We don't know much else, including why they and most of their families were executed, as there were very few living witnesses to convey their motives.
5th May '17 12:12:00 PM kraas
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** At the beginning of the film, Hitler flies to the Eastern Front in a Junkers Ju 52. However, his personal plane at the time was a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 (none of which survived the war).

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** At the beginning of the film, Hitler flies to the Eastern Front in a Junkers Ju 52. However, his personal plane at the time was a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 (none of which survived the war).war, save one wreck that was eventually turned into a museum exhibit).
3rd Apr '17 5:33:27 AM outlander2012
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* AndThenWhat: Stauffenberg asks this of the conspirators word-for-word after hearing their plan only focuses on removing Hilter, not what comes next. (Also see DidntThinkThisThrough below)
-->'''Goerdeler''': Our only option now is to confront Hitler openly. Force him out.
-->'''Stauffenberg''': And then what? [...] I'm simply asking what you intend to do when Hitler is gone. You don't honestly believe you can just walk into the Reich Chancellery and command the army to end the war, do you?
3rd Apr '17 5:29:29 AM outlander2012
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* EnemyMine: Erwin von Witzleben invokes this, suggesting that at this stage in the game, they could just sit back and leave the task of wiping out the Nazis to the Allies.

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* EnemyMine: Erwin von Witzleben invokes this, suggesting that at this stage in the game, they could just sit back and leave the task of wiping out dealing with the Nazis to the Allies.Allies.
-->'''Witzleben''': Gentlemen, I think it's time we faced facts. The Allies are coming, sooner or later. I say we sit back and let them wipe out the Nazis.


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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Upon his arrival at the War Ministry, while waiting to see Froom, Stauffenberg and Olbricht hear the tail end of Keitel giving one to Fromm from outside his office.
-->'''Wilhelm Keitel''': I have got better things to do with my time than to come down here and clean up ''your'' mess! If you were enough of a man to run this department, then I wouldn't have to do it myself! You're an old woman, Fromm! I'd send you to the front, if I didn't think you'd surrender just to be Montgomery's ''whore''!
2nd Apr '17 12:44:28 AM LordGro
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* HistoricalBeautyUpdate: Interestingly enough, the reason Tom Cruise got interested in the project is because a picture of Stauffenberg bore an uncanny resemblance to himself. That was about where the physical similarity stopped,[[note]]Stauffenberg was taller almost by a head.[[/note]] but in general Stauffenberg was considered a handsome man.
2nd Apr '17 12:41:58 AM LordGro
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** Friedrich Fromm [[spoiler: makes it plain from the off he won't support them while Hitler is alive, quickly abandons and tries to arrest them when it becomes apparent Hitler is still alive and then, in an ultimately futile bid to save his own skin, has the conspirators hastily court-martialled and shot, contravening direct orders from Hitler that they be taken alive. In fact he was ''shot'' for cowardice (as in, this was the actual charge) later because he didn't act to stop the plot ahead of time]].

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** Friedrich Fromm [[spoiler: makes it plain from the off he won't support them while Hitler is alive, quickly abandons and tries to arrest them when it becomes apparent Hitler is still alive and then, in an ultimately futile bid to save his own skin, has the conspirators hastily court-martialled and shot, contravening direct orders from Hitler that they be taken alive. In fact he was ''shot'' for cowardice (as in, this was the actual charge) later because he didn't act to stop the plot ahead of time]].]]
2nd Apr '17 12:41:15 AM LordGro
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* DirtyCoward: Friedrich Fromm. [[spoiler: He makes it plain from the off he won't support them while Hitler is alive, quickly abandons and tries to arrest them when it becomes apparent Hitler is still alive and then, in an ultimately futile bid to save his own skin, has the conspirators hastily court-martialled and shot, contravening direct orders from Hitler that they be taken alive. In fact he was ''shot'' for cowardice (as in, this was the actual charge) later because he didn't act to stop the plot ahead of time]].

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* DirtyCoward: DirtyCoward:
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Friedrich Fromm. Fromm [[spoiler: He makes it plain from the off he won't support them while Hitler is alive, quickly abandons and tries to arrest them when it becomes apparent Hitler is still alive and then, in an ultimately futile bid to save his own skin, has the conspirators hastily court-martialled and shot, contravening direct orders from Hitler that they be taken alive. In fact he was ''shot'' for cowardice (as in, this was the actual charge) later because he didn't act to stop the plot ahead of time]].
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