History Film / Troy

9th Sep '17 8:56:25 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Subverted during the final battle, in which he helps Trojan soldiers fight of the Greeks for a brief time and kills four, as well as [[spoiler:Achilles, making it five]]. True, he did ultmately leave, but it was to rescue Briseis (and in the [[ReCut Director's Cut]], Glaucus urged him to do so).

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** Subverted during after Hector's death, which finally allows CharacterDevelopment to kick in. During the final battle, in which he helps Trojan soldiers fight of the Greeks for a brief time and kills four, as well as [[spoiler:Achilles, making it five]]. True, he did ultmately leave, but it was to rescue Briseis (and in the [[ReCut Director's Cut]], Glaucus urged him to do so).



* FoolishSiblingResponsibleSibling: Hector and Paris with Hector being the Responsible Sibling to Paris' Foolish Sibling. While Hector has shown and proven himself to be an upstanding, honourable, noble and dutiful person who understands the meaning of responsibility and duty, Paris has shown that he is the opposite of his brother, someone who is selfish, cowardly, self-centered, spoiled and does not even begin to comprehend or understand what it means to be responsible and a good and competent son or person. Instead, Hector ends up being the one to fight Paris' battles for him.

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* FoolishSiblingResponsibleSibling: Hector and Paris with Hector being the Responsible Sibling to Paris' Foolish Sibling. While Hector has shown and proven himself to be an upstanding, honourable, honorable, noble and dutiful person who understands the meaning of responsibility and duty, Paris has shown that he is the opposite of his brother, someone who is selfish, cowardly, self-centered, spoiled and does not even begin to comprehend or understand what it means to be responsible and a good and competent son or person. Instead, Hector ends up being the one to fight Paris' battles for him.



* IfYouDoAnythingToHurtHer: Hector when he realizes that Paris slept with Helen, threatening to rip Paris's face off his head.

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* IfYouDoAnythingToHurtHer: IfYouEverDoAnythingToHurtHer: Hector when he realizes that Paris slept with Helen, threatening to rip Paris's face off his head.



* WideEyedIdealist: Paris.

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* WideEyedIdealist: Paris.Paris and Patroclus.
23rd Aug '17 12:42:00 PM EDP
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* RealityEnsues:
** Paris thinks that he can beat Menelaus in a duel because of the love he and Helen share (or something like that). The old but incredibly strong and experienced war veteran beats the shit out of the wimpy spoiled prince.
** Immediately after, the Greeks charge at the Trojan army deployed in phalanx right under the walls of Troy. The Greeks are stopped cold by the Trojan phalanx, and then decimated by archers on the wall. {{Lampshaded}} by both Achilles and Odysseus, the first unable to believe the other Greeks are being ''that'' stupid even before they hit the phalanx, and Odysseus, who repeatedly advises Agamemnon to get the warriors back into formation.



* RealityEnsues: Paris thinks that he can beat Menelaus in a duel because of the love he and Helen share (or something like that). The old but incredibly strong and experienced war veteran beats the shit out of the wimpy spoiled prince.
15th Jul '17 7:43:25 AM SeptimusHeap
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* AdaptationDistillation: Critics of the film often overlook the fact that [[BroadStrokes it's a mythos]] with a few basic elements (such as Achilles' death and the location of his [[ForMassiveDamage weak spot]]) and [[AlternateContinuity variant "sequels" exist]] that kill off different characters. Most of the events of the movie happen either before the ''Iliad'' begins or after it ends, not in the ''Iliad'' itself. The gods [[StatusQuoIsGod manipulate the outcome]] of various battles to keep most of the Greek warriors from dying before the end, and their fate is only politely foreshadowed.

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* AdaptationDistillation: Critics of the film often overlook the fact that [[BroadStrokes it's a mythos]] with a few basic elements (such as Achilles' death and the location of his [[ForMassiveDamage weak spot]]) spot) and [[AlternateContinuity variant "sequels" exist]] that kill off different characters. Most of the events of the movie happen either before the ''Iliad'' begins or after it ends, not in the ''Iliad'' itself. The gods [[StatusQuoIsGod manipulate the outcome]] of various battles to keep most of the Greek warriors from dying before the end, and their fate is only politely foreshadowed.
4th Jul '17 10:20:25 AM MatLShini
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* {{Foil}}: Achilles to Hector and vice versa. They also serve as TheRival to each other. Both Achilles and Hector are known to be the greatest warriors of the Trojan War. However, Achilles and Hector are on opposing sides. Achilles is a Greek and Hector is a Trojan. Achilles is the best warrior and fights on behalf of the Greeks while Hector is the best warrior and fights on behalf of the Trojans. Hector is of RoyalBlood, being the Prince of Troy and the son of King Priam while Achilles is not of royal lineage. Hector is a WarriorPrince and Achilles is a BloodKnight. Although both are the greatest warriors ever, they both fight in battles for completely different reasons or purposes. Achilles reasons for being a great warrior are for less noble reasons than Hector; Achilles fights for nothing more than the fame, glory, recognition and the hopes that his name will be remembered long after he is gone. Hector, on the other hand, fights for his family, his honour and his country. Achilles shows that he does not really care about being honourable in the same way that Hector does; Achilles shows that he cares more about recognition and glory whereas Hector cares about responsibility and duty. Personality wise, Achilles is more HotBlooded, impulsive, reckless, and brash while Hector is more of TheStoic, logical, calm, and level headed. Hector also does not seem to like the concept of violence and war and only fights in battles out of duty and responsibility while Achilles seems to love the concept of fighting and violence much more than the EmotionalBruiser Hector. Hector also seems to fight for his country while Achilles tends to fight more for himself. Hector loves and respects his King (Priam, who is also his father) and he obeys and serves his King as best as he can. Achilles, on the other hand, has no respect for his King (Agamemnon) and he downright hates him, disrespects him and disobeys him, refusing and reluctant to fight on behalf of him at first. Hector seems to fit the qualities of TheHero (noble, dutiful, responsible, humble, honourable, loyal, family man) while Achilles seems to fit the qualities of an AntiHero or ByronicHero (selfish, hot headed, cynical, jaded, impulsive, brash, arrogant). Both Hector and Achilles have a younger brother (Paris for Hector) and younger cousin (Patroclus for Achilles) respectively that they have shown to have strong BigBrotherInstinct as well as KnightTemplarBigBrother instincts towards; both have shown that they will go to extreme lengths to protect their younger relative as much as they can. Both Achilles and Hector are in love with a Trojan woman (Briseis for Achilles and Andromache for Hector).

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* {{Foil}}: Achilles to Hector and vice versa. They also serve as TheRival to each other. Here are all the ways it plays out:
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Both Achilles and Hector are known to be the greatest warriors of the Trojan War. However, Achilles and Hector are on opposing sides. Achilles is a Greek and Hector is a Trojan. Achilles is the best warrior and fights on behalf of the Greeks while Hector is the best warrior and fights on behalf of the Trojans.
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Hector is of RoyalBlood, being the Prince of Troy and the son of King Priam while Achilles is not of royal lineage. lineage.
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Hector is a WarriorPrince and Achilles is a BloodKnight. BloodKnight.
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Although both are the greatest warriors ever, they both fight in battles for completely different reasons or purposes. Achilles reasons for being a great warrior are for less noble reasons than Hector; Achilles fights for nothing more than the fame, glory, recognition and the hopes that his name will be remembered long after he is gone. Hector, on the other hand, fights for his family, his honour and his country. country.
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Achilles shows that he does not really care about being honourable in the same way that Hector does; Achilles shows that he cares more about recognition and glory whereas Hector cares about responsibility and duty. duty.
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Personality wise, Achilles is more HotBlooded, impulsive, reckless, and brash while Hector is more of TheStoic, logical, calm, and level headed. Hector also does not seem to like the concept of violence and war and only fights in battles out of duty and responsibility while Achilles seems to love the concept of fighting and violence much more than the EmotionalBruiser Hector. Hector also seems to fight for his country while Achilles tends to fight more for himself.
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Hector loves and respects his King (Priam, who is also his father) and he obeys and serves his King as best as he can. Achilles, on the other hand, has no respect for his King (Agamemnon) and he downright hates him, disrespects him and disobeys him, refusing and reluctant to fight on behalf of him at first.
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Hector seems to fit the qualities of TheHero (noble, dutiful, responsible, humble, honourable, loyal, family man) while Achilles seems to fit the qualities of an AntiHero or ByronicHero (selfish, hot headed, cynical, jaded, impulsive, brash, arrogant). arrogant).
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Both Hector and Achilles have a younger brother (Paris for Hector) and younger cousin (Patroclus for Achilles) respectively that they have shown to have strong BigBrotherInstinct as well as KnightTemplarBigBrother instincts towards; both have shown that they will go to extreme lengths to protect their younger relative as much as they can. can.
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Both Achilles and Hector are in love with a Trojan woman (Briseis for Achilles and Andromache for Hector). Hector).
** Achilles is TheCasanova, being first seen sleeping with two women and then with Briseis later in the film. Hector is a family man, completely faithful to his wife Andromache.
24th Jun '17 8:42:32 PM HeyFella
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** Downplayed but like the typical modern interpretation of the story, Hector is more heroic than his original Iliad counterpart. In the Iliad, he can be as nasty as his Greek opponents often delighting in murdering champions and he ravaged Patroclus' corpse and looted his armory. He even calls out on Paris's cowardice telling him in front he wish he was never born. Where as in this adaptation he stepped in during the duel with Melenaus and killed the Greek king to save his brother.

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** Downplayed but like the typical modern interpretation of the story, Hector is more heroic than his original Iliad counterpart. In the Iliad, he can be as nasty as his Greek opponents often delighting in murdering champions and he ravaged Patroclus' corpse and looted his armory. He even calls out on Paris's cowardice telling him in front he wish he was never born. Where as in this adaptation he stepped in during the duel with Melenaus Menelaus and killed the Greek king to save his brother.
13th May '17 7:12:07 PM Wikipetzi
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* OneWomanWail:
** When Hector gets killed by Achilles.
** When Troy gets sacked by the Greeks.
3rd May '17 9:05:14 AM Mdumas43073
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17th Feb '17 8:36:39 AM k410ren
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** Subverted during the final battle, in which he helps Trojan soldiers fight of the Greeks for a brief time. True, he did ultmately leave, but it was to rescue Briseis (and in the [[ReCut Director's Cut]], Glaucus urged him to do so).

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** Subverted during the final battle, in which he helps Trojan soldiers fight of the Greeks for a brief time.time and kills four, as well as [[spoiler:Achilles, making it five]]. True, he did ultmately leave, but it was to rescue Briseis (and in the [[ReCut Director's Cut]], Glaucus urged him to do so).
8th Feb '17 2:38:32 PM Cheapsunglasses
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** Subverted during the final battle, in which he helps Trojan soldiers fight of the Greeks for a brief time. True, he did ultmately leave, but it was to rescue Briseis (and in the [[ReCut Director's Cut]], Glaucus urged him to do so).


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* KickTheSonOfABitch: Menelaus beating Paris to a bloody pulp. Sure, Menelaus is hardly a saint himself, but considering the fact that Paris ''knowingly'' endangered himself and his people by fucking another man's wife, he certainly deserved some level of punishment.


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** Helen after the first day of battle. Sure, she had an ItsAllMyFault mentality from beginning to end, but after witnessing the funerals of the Trojans who died that day, she is so overcome with guilt that she decides to give herself up to the Greeks, despite knowing that Menelaus will undoubtedly kill her, in the hopes of stopping the carnage. Sadly, as Hector points out, doing so would accomplish nothing.


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*VillainousBreakdown: By the film's climax, Agamemnon has become completely unhinged, loudly shouting for his men to burn Troy to the ground. More so in the [[ReCut Director's Cut]], in which he slits a wounded soldier's throat, then says in a manic voice, [[KillEmAll "No one! Spare no one!"]] and viciously tells a dying Priam "No one's innocent."
9th Dec '16 12:45:38 PM emperors
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** Arguably, lots of Greek soldiers who by the end RapePillageAndBurn Troy, and while their leader gets killed, majority of the military survives and arguably returns home.
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