History Film / ToraToraTora

7th Feb '17 11:39:10 PM Rmpdc
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* LightningBruiser: The American P-40 Warhawk, compared to the [[FragileSpeedster Zero]] used by the Japanese. This is demonstrated when the two P-40s that manage to get airborne are able to not only absorb damage from the Japanese machine-guns, but also outrun them when being chased, allowing them to get away.
7th Feb '17 9:47:17 PM jamespolk
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* FragileSpeedster: The Japanese Zero fighter. Demonstrated when two P-40s take a few down in only one or two bursts.

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* FragileSpeedster: The Japanese Zero fighter. Demonstrated when two P-40s take a few down in only one or two bursts. (In RealLife, once the Americans deployed the P-51 Mustang--just as fast as the Zero, but not nearly as fragile--the air war in the Pacific got really lopsided.)
7th Feb '17 9:40:58 PM jamespolk
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''Tora! Tora! Tora!'' is a 1970 film telling the story of the attack on Pearl Harbor from both the American and Japanese perspectives. Unusually, the film was made by two almost independent units -- an American unit directed by Richard Fleischer, and a Japanese unit directed by Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda. This technique would be repeated with its [[SpiritualSuccessor pseudo-sequel]] ''Film/{{Midway}}''. The original idea was to blend the two stories seamlessly, until Fleischer realized it would be better to let the two halves retain contrasting styles.

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''Tora! Tora! Tora!'' is a 1970 film telling the story of the attack on Pearl Harbor from both the American and Japanese perspectives. Unusually, the film was made by two almost independent units -- an American unit directed by Richard Fleischer, and a Japanese unit directed by Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda. [[note]]None other than Creator/AkiraKurosawa was supposed to direct the Japanese half, and Kurosawa spent two years in pre-production, but conflicts and budget arguments between him and his American producers led to Kurosawa getting fired just two weeks into filming.[[/note]] This technique would be repeated with its [[SpiritualSuccessor pseudo-sequel]] ''Film/{{Midway}}''. The original idea was to blend the two stories seamlessly, until Fleischer realized it would be better to let the two halves retain contrasting styles.
26th Dec '16 7:59:52 AM Rmpdc
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* RealLife/CoolPlane: Several, but most notably the [=A6M2=] Zero and the P-40 Warhawk.



* OneSidedBattle

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* OneSidedBattleOldSchoolDogfight: One happens between two P-40s and a squadron of Zeroes late into the attack.
* OneSidedBattle: The American forces on Oahu are caught completely by surprise, and as a result are unable to respond effectively once the Japanese start going after their ships and bases.
24th Dec '16 1:39:46 AM Rmpdc
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* FragileSpeedster: The Japanese Zero fighter. Demonstrated when two P-40s take a few down in only one or two bursts.
7th Dec '16 11:54:28 PM BillWoods
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* AnachronismStew - Mostly averted, aside from some modern ships in the harbor...but when the Japanese aircraft fly over the island en route to the harbor, they memorably fly over the huge white cross erected at Schofield Barracks to commemorate the people who died in the attack they are supposedly about to make. A microwave relay tower is also clearly visible in the same shot.
* ArmchairMilitary - The US top brass seem very reluctant to act on intelligence.

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* AnachronismStew - AnachronismStew: Mostly averted, aside from some modern ships in the harbor...harbor ... but when the Japanese aircraft fly over the island en route to the harbor, they memorably fly over the huge white cross erected at Schofield Barracks to commemorate the people who died in the attack they are supposedly about to make. A microwave relay tower is also clearly visible in the same shot.
* ArmchairMilitary - ArmchairMilitary: The US top brass seem very reluctant to act on intelligence.



* CaptainObvious - Justified. An officer [[NotNowKiddo who tried to pass up a warning earlier that morning]] angrily points out the window during the attack as proof to one of the {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s there was reason to be concerned about an attack.
-->'''Lieutenant Kaminsky:''' "You wanted confirmation, Captain? Take a look! There's your confirmation!"

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* CaptainObvious - CaptainObvious: Justified. An officer [[NotNowKiddo who tried to pass up a warning earlier that morning]] angrily points out the window during the attack as proof to one of the {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s there was reason to be concerned about an attack.
-->'''Lieutenant Kaminsky:''' "You You wanted confirmation, Captain? Take a look! There's your confirmation!"confirmation!



* CurbStompCushion - The Japanese achieve total surprise in their attack on the American military installations, and the ensuring fight generally proceeds [[CurbStompBattle the way you'd expect]] it to from there, with some notable exceptions, including planes shot down by anti-aircraft fire, and a small handful of American fighters making it into the air to shoot down some of the attackers.
* CryingWolf: Decrypted Japanese diplomatic messages, plus observations of their military movements, lead the US military to think Hawaii and the Philippines are going to be attacked on 30 November, 1941. When the actual attack is predicted a week later, there is an uphill battle to get anyone to take it seriously.

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* CurbStompCushion - CurbStompCushion: The Japanese achieve total surprise in their attack on the American military installations, and the ensuring fight generally proceeds [[CurbStompBattle the way you'd expect]] it to from there, with some notable exceptions, including planes shot down by anti-aircraft fire, and a small handful of American fighters making it into the air to shoot down some of the attackers.
* CryingWolf: Decrypted Japanese diplomatic messages, plus observations of their military movements, lead the US military to think Hawaii and the Philippines are going to be attacked attacked ... on 30 November, 1941. When the actual an attack is predicted ''again'' a week later, there is an uphill battle to get anyone to take it seriously.



* EveryBulletIsATracer - Inverted, oddly enough. There was tracer fire at Pearl Harbor, but not in this movie.

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* EveryBulletIsATracer - EveryBulletIsATracer: Inverted, oddly enough. There was tracer fire at Pearl Harbor, but not in this movie.



* FlatCharacter - One of the problems pointed out in reviews is that few of the people portrayed in the film get any backstory or character definition. Most of the main protagonists can be described in single words (Admiral Kimmel is worried, Admiral Yamamoto is brooding, and so on). The fact most of them are wearing military uniforms makes it hard to distinguish who's supposed to be who anyway unless you've studied the attack fairly thoroughly. The US cast consists almost entirely of character actors, reportedly because the producers felt that stars would distract from the documentary feel of the film.
* ForegoneConclusion - Textbook example.

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* FlatCharacter - FlatCharacter: One of the problems pointed out in reviews is that few of the people portrayed in the film get any backstory or character definition. Most of the main protagonists can be described in single words (Admiral Kimmel is worried, Admiral Yamamoto is brooding, and so on). The fact most of them are wearing military uniforms makes it hard to distinguish who's supposed to be who anyway unless you've studied the attack fairly thoroughly. The US cast consists almost entirely of character actors, reportedly because the producers felt that stars would distract from the documentary feel of the film.
* ForegoneConclusion - ForegoneConclusion: Textbook example.



'''Nomura:''' ''(pleadingly)'' Mr. Hull...\\
'''Hull:''' ''(wearily)'' Go!
* GoodSmokingEvilSmoking - Related to FlatCharacter. You can tell that Admiral Halsey is a no-nonsense badass because he spends a high-level Navy briefing chewing on and waving around a big ol' cigar.

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'''Nomura:''' ''(pleadingly)'' [''pleadingly''] Mr. Hull...\\
'''Hull:''' ''(wearily)'' [''wearily''] Go!
* GoodSmokingEvilSmoking - GoodSmokingEvilSmoking: Related to FlatCharacter. You can tell that Admiral Halsey is a no-nonsense badass because he spends a high-level Navy briefing chewing on and waving around a big ol' cigar.



* HollywoodHistory - Largely averted, as the film attempts to portray real events realistically.

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* HollywoodHistory - HollywoodHistory: Largely averted, as the film attempts to portray real events realistically.



** Yamamoto, (as shown with sleeping giant line) when learning that the Pearl Harbor attack occurred before a formal declaration of war could be delivered to the U.S. Realizing that the U.S. would undoubtedly enter the war, plus the fact that the key aircraft carriers and hangars were not destroyed in the attack, he knows that Japan is basically screwed in terms of winning the war.

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** Yamamoto, (as shown with sleeping giant line) when learning that the Pearl Harbor attack occurred before a the formal declaration of war could be was delivered to the U.S. Realizing that the U.S. would undoubtedly enter the war, plus the fact that the key aircraft carriers and hangars were not destroyed in the attack, he knows that Japan is basically screwed in terms of winning the war.



* RealityIsUnrealistic - the DVDCommentary goes into some detail on a few real events left out of the movie simply because they seemed too over the top to have actually happened.

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* RealityIsUnrealistic - the RealityIsUnrealistic: The DVDCommentary goes into some detail on a few real events left out of the movie simply because they seemed too over the top to have actually happened.



* ThemeNaming: The American battleships were all named for US states. The cruisers and destroyers also had their own themes (cities and troops who died in battle, respectively), but feature far less prominently.[[note]]US aircraft carriers, which didn't have much chance to influence the battle, were named after famous sailing ships of the US Navy - mostly late-18th and early-19th Century sloops-of-war - as well as significant USN battles. (This naming convention was supposed to go to battlecruisers; aircraft carriers inherited the naming scheme because the battlecruisers ''Lexington'' and ''Saratoga'' were converted to aircraft carriers during construction.) The fact such carriers were named after early sailing ships, which in turn were named after famous cities, battles, people, and insects (''Wasp,'' ''Hornet'') makes the naming scheme appear more than a little haphazard.[[/note]]

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* ThemeNaming: The American battleships were all named for US states. The cruisers and destroyers also had their own themes (cities and troops who died in battle, respectively), but feature far less prominently.[[note]]US aircraft carriers, which didn't have much chance to influence the battle, were named after famous sailing ships of the US Navy - -- mostly late-18th and early-19th Century sloops-of-war - -- as well as significant USN battles. (This naming convention was supposed to go to battlecruisers; aircraft carriers inherited the naming scheme because the battlecruisers ''Lexington'' and ''Saratoga'' were converted to aircraft carriers during construction.) The fact such carriers were named after early sailing ships, which in turn were named after famous cities, battles, people, and insects (''Wasp,'' ''Hornet'') makes the naming scheme appear more than a little haphazard.[[/note]]



* ThisIsNotADrill - When the news of the attack starts to filter through.

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* ThisIsNotADrill - ThisIsNotADrill: When the news of the attack starts to filter through.



* ThisMeansWar - Obviously.

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* ThisMeansWar - ThisMeansWar: Obviously.



* UnspokenPlanGuarantee - It seems as though the film averts this, given the apparent success of the plan, but Yamamoto admits they didn't get the key targets, and of course the line about the sleeping giant.

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* UnspokenPlanGuarantee - UnspokenPlanGuarantee: It seems as though the film averts this, given the apparent success of the plan, but Yamamoto admits they didn't get the key all their targets, and of course the line about the sleeping giant.



* WeaponsUnderstudies - Then-modern (but still 40s or 50s era) missile destroyers and frigates playing smaller ships in the harbor during the attack. Rebuilt American prop trainers as the Japanese aircraft. Late model B-17s portraying earlier models. In a nice touch, however, the destroyer escort playing the USS ''Ward'' had her hull number repainted to match ''Ward's'' for the film.

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* WeaponsUnderstudies - WeaponsUnderstudies: Then-modern (but still 40s '40s or 50s '50s era) missile destroyers and frigates playing smaller ships in the harbor during the attack. Rebuilt American prop trainers as the Japanese aircraft. Late model B-17s portraying earlier models. In a nice touch, however, the destroyer escort playing the USS ''Ward'' had her hull number repainted to match ''Ward's'' ''Ward'''s for the film.
15th Nov '16 11:43:22 PM BNSF1995
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* BittersweetEnding: While the Japanese manage to destroy huge numbers of American planes and severely damage most of their battleships, they fail to take out the American carriers (which were still at sea at the time of the attack), as well as missing other important targets in the harbor such as the sub pens and oil storage facilities. This would come back to haunt them a few months later. On the American side, despite the heavy losses, the attack only strengthens their resolve and puts an end to both isolationism and the Great Depression.

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* BittersweetEnding: While the Japanese manage to destroy huge numbers of American planes and severely damage most of their battleships, they fail to take out the American carriers (which were still at sea at the time of the attack), as well as missing other important targets in the harbor such as the sub pens and oil storage facilities. This would come back to haunt them a few months later. On the American side, despite the heavy losses, the attack only strengthens their resolve and puts an end to both isolationism and the Great Depression. And we all know how the war eventually went for both sides.
6th Nov '16 12:37:27 AM Morgenthaler
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* GoodSmokingEvilSmoking - Related to FlatCharacter. You can tell that Admiral Halsey is a no-nonsense [[{{Badass}} badass]] because he spends a high-level Navy briefing chewing on and waving around a big ol' cigar.

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* GoodSmokingEvilSmoking - Related to FlatCharacter. You can tell that Admiral Halsey is a no-nonsense [[{{Badass}} badass]] badass because he spends a high-level Navy briefing chewing on and waving around a big ol' cigar.
20th Oct '16 10:00:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* KatanasOfTheRisingSun: The Imperial Navy being at the center stage, for obvious reasons.



* YanksWithTanks: Both the US Army and Navy are heavily featured before, during, and after the attack.

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* YanksWithTanks: Both the US Army and Navy are heavily featured before, during, and after the attack.
26th Aug '16 7:57:41 PM Rmpdc
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* RealLifeWritesThePlot:
** Some sources claim one of the five [=B-17s=] used in the film actually had a landing gear failure so they rushed a film crew to the airfield to capture the emergency landing while the pilots circled to burn off fuel. Note that the footage of the actual one-wheel landing is lower quality than the rest of the film. Other sources state this is not true, however.
** The famous scene of the [=P-40=] veering out of control and plowing into the middle of a line of parked planes was an accident (it was supposed to just blow up). The stuntmen seen OutrunningTheFireball really are running for their lives.
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