History Film / TheSiege

26th Aug '16 9:59:16 PM TheBigBopper
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In hindsight, the movie treated terrorism more maturely than many films before 9/11. Unfortunately,[[note]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Or fortunately, depending how you look at it.]][[/note]] the way the public, the government, and the terrorists acted in the film turned out to be pretty inaccurate when a large scale terrorist attacks happened in RealLife. [[ColdBloodedTorture Well, mostly.]]

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In hindsight, the movie treated terrorism more maturely than many films before 9/11. Unfortunately,[[note]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Or fortunately, depending how you look at it.]][[/note]] the way the public, the government, and the terrorists acted in the film turned out to be pretty inaccurate when a large scale terrorist attacks attack happened in RealLife. [[ColdBloodedTorture Well, mostly.]]
19th Aug '16 7:46:17 PM dmcreif
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** In the opening sequence, Sheik Ahmed Bin Talal is shown being black-bagged in what is said (in later dialogue to be) Lebanon, and a desert is shown. Lebanon is the only Arab country without a desert.

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** In the opening sequence, Sheik Ahmed Bin Talal is shown being black-bagged in what is said (in later dialogue to be) Lebanon, and a desert is shown. Lebanon is the only Arab country without a desert. The scene itself was filmed in Arizona.



* BulletproofVest: Shown being used during several raids. Hubbard and Frank wear them at the second bus bombing, where it's used to absorb shrapnel rather than bullets.

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* BulletproofVest: Shown being used during several raids. Hubbard and Frank wear them at the second bus bombing, where it's used not because of the possibility of a firefight, but so to absorb shrapnel rather than bullets.when the bomb goes off.



* EmergencyAuthority: The President of the United States declares martial law in Brooklyn and the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, under Devereaux, occupies the city district, seals it off, and proceeds to round up all young Arab males into makeshift detention camps.

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* EmergencyAuthority: The President of the United States declares martial law in Brooklyn and the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, under Devereaux, occupies the city district, Brooklyn, seals it off, and proceeds to round up all young Arab males into makeshift detention camps.



* ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanShipAcademy: When the SWAT team raids a safe house where the co-conspirators to the bus bombers are hiding, the conspirators shoot back with automatic weapons. The first guy is quickly taken out, but the second guy (the one with the AKM) is a very bad shot, since he's using a couch as cover and pretty much shooting blindly (even inadvertently killing his own comrade).

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* ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanShipAcademy: When the SWAT team raids a safe house where the co-conspirators to the bus bombers are hiding, the conspirators shoot back with automatic weapons. The first guy is quickly taken out, but the second guy (the one with the AKM) is a very bad shot, shooter, since he's using a couch as an ineffective source of cover and pretty much shooting blindly (even inadvertently killing hitting his own comrade).



* RunningGag: Throughout the movie, Frank laments about the FBI not having the microwave surveillance equipment that the CIA has. He finally gets it, after he detains US Army personnel spying on Kraft.

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* RunningGag: Throughout the movie, Frank Haddad laments about the FBI not having the microwave surveillance equipment that the CIA has. He finally gets it, after When he detains and some of the other guys detain a vehicle full of US Army personnel spying on Kraft.Kraft, Frank looks like a child on Christmas morning just seeing the equipment.



* TokenEnemyMinority: Frank Haddad, an Arab-American FBI agent. This is of course a central conflict to the movie as racism against Arab-Americans increases after several terrorist attacks, with all of the Arab-Americans in New York City later being detained without charge, including his son, prompting his angry (temporary) resignation from the Bureau.

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* TokenEnemyMinority: Frank Haddad, an Arab-American FBI agent. Haddad is Hubbard's NumberTwo and is Arab-American. This is of course a central conflict to the movie as racism against Arab-Americans increases after several terrorist attacks, with all young males of the Arab-Americans in New York City Arab ethnicity later being detained without charge, including his son, prompting his angry (temporary) resignation from the Bureau.
19th Jul '16 9:19:39 PM Fireblood
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19th Jul '16 9:14:19 PM Fireblood
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* FacelessGoons: The FBI SWAT team that raids the terrorist safehouse invoke this, wearing their balaclavas, with their helmets on top of that and their goggles lowered.

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* FacelessGoons: The FBI SWAT team that raids the terrorist safehouse safe house invoke this, wearing their balaclavas, with their helmets on top of that and their goggles lowered.



* HollywoodLaw: A suspect is detained for carrying a large amount of currency in his luggage - but a mere $20 under the $10,000 limit. This is ''[[http://www.snopes.com/business/money/10000.asp not]]'' illegal, and as the scene details, wouldn't work anyway; the arresting officer simply added some of his own cash to put the suspect over the limit.



* RecruitingTheCriminal: Elise takes this approach with Samir, though it doesn't work out. [[spoiler:In fact, this is what kickstarted the plot in the entire place.]]

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* RecruitingTheCriminal: Elise takes this approach with Samir, though it doesn't work out. [[spoiler:In fact, this is what kickstarted the plot in the entire place.to begin with.]]



* TokenEnemyMinority: Frank Haddad, an Arab-American FBI agent. This is of course a central conflict to the movie as racism against Arab-Americans increases after several terrorist attacks, with all of the Arab-Americans in New York City later being detained without charge, including his son, prompting his angry (temporary) resignation from the Bureau.



** General Devereaux. He's fully aware of the ramifications of a military force bearing down on a scared civilian populace and knows that wartime law enforced would lead to severe rights violations (in his first appearance, he says he agrees with the ACLU on this issue) and an unhappy, uncooperative city, but when ordered to enact military law does it by all means necessary, and is determined to bring down the threat-even if it means [[spoiler:civilian casualties.]]

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** General Devereaux. He's fully aware of the ramifications of a military force bearing down on a scared civilian populace and knows that wartime martial law enforced would will lead to severe human rights violations (in his first appearance, he says he agrees with the ACLU on this issue) and an unhappy, uncooperative city, but when ordered to enact military martial law does it by all means necessary, and is determined to bring down the threat-even if it means [[spoiler:civilian casualties.]]
19th Jul '16 9:06:14 PM Fireblood
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In hindsight, the movie treated terrorism more maturely than many films before 9/11. Unfortunately [[note]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Or fortunately, depending how you look at it]][[/note]], the way the public, the government, and the terrorists acted in the film turned out to be pretty inaccurate when a large scale terrorist attacks happened in RealLife. [[ColdBloodedTorture Well, mostly.]]

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In hindsight, the movie treated terrorism more maturely than many films before 9/11. Unfortunately [[note]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Unfortunately,[[note]][[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Or fortunately, depending how you look at it]][[/note]], it.]][[/note]] the way the public, the government, and the terrorists acted in the film turned out to be pretty inaccurate when a large scale terrorist attacks happened in RealLife. [[ColdBloodedTorture Well, mostly.]]



* ArtisticLicenseLaw: A suspect is detained for carrying a large amount of currency in his luggage - but a mere $20 under the $10,000 limit. This is ''[[http://www.snopes.com/business/money/10000.asp not]]'' illegal, and as the scene details, wouldn't work anyway; the arresting officer simply added some of his own cash to put the suspect over the limit.
26th Jun '16 7:57:30 AM dmcreif
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* FacelessGoons: The FBI SWAT team that raids the terrorist safehouse invoke this, wearing their balaclavas, with their helmets on top of that and their goggles lowered.


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* OutrankingYourJob: While Hubbard is shown doing the supervisory work expected of an Assistant Special Agent in Charge, he's also shown participating in raids with the agents under his command.
28th Apr '16 10:12:13 AM Mdumas43073
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->''London. Paris. Athens. Rome. Belfast. Beruit. We're not the first city to have to deal with terrorism. Tel Aviv. The day after they bombed the market in Tel Aviv the market was open and it was full. This is New York City. We can take it.''

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->''London.->''"London. Paris. Athens. Rome. Belfast. Beruit. We're not the first city to have to deal with terrorism. Tel Aviv. The day after they bombed the market in Tel Aviv the market was open and it was full. This is New York City. We can take it.''"''
28th Apr '16 10:11:53 AM Mdumas43073
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'''''The Siege''''' (1998) is a film about terrorists attacking in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity made about three years before 9/11. The film was directed by EdwardZwick, previously known for (among others) ''Film/{{Glory}}'' (1989) and ''Film/LegendsOfTheFall'' (1994). DenzelWashington, AnnetteBening, and BruceWillis play patriotic characters with different ideas about the best way to defend America from terrorists.

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'''''The Siege''''' ''The Siege'' (1998) is a film about terrorists attacking in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity, made about three years before 9/11. The film was directed by EdwardZwick, Edward Zwick, previously known for (among others) ''Film/{{Glory}}'' (1989) and ''Film/LegendsOfTheFall'' (1994). DenzelWashington, AnnetteBening, Creator/DenzelWashington, Creator/AnnetteBening, and BruceWillis Creator/BruceWillis play patriotic characters with different ideas about the best way to defend America from terrorists.
29th Mar '16 5:26:06 PM dmcreif
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** General Devereaux wears a Combat Infantryman badge with a star. To be eligible for this at this point in time, he would have to have fought in the Korean War as well as the Vietnam War or other Cold War era actions. Apart from being too young to have been in the Korean War (Bruce Willis hadn't even been born yet when that started), he has no service medals from this period.
** In the meeting at Capitol Hill, among General Devereaux's medal ribbons is a Silver Star with a V on it. The V ribbon device may be used on certain medals to denote valor or combat service, but it should not be on a Silver Star because that medal is only awarded for valor in combat.
29th Mar '16 5:16:26 PM dmcreif
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: One Federal Plaza is not the location of the FBI's New York field office. It is the address for the US Court of International Trade. 26 Federal Plaza is the address of the FBI's New York office.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The One Federal Plaza bombing involves a van full of explosives being driven through the glass of the lobby, where it explodes. In real life, this could never happen, because ever since the Oklahoma City bombing, federal buildings must now be constructed with truck-resistant barriers and with deep setbacks from surrounding streets to keep them resistant to truck bombs. FBI buildings, for instance, must be set back 100 feet (30 m) from traffic.
* ArtisticLicenseLaw: A suspect is detained for carrying a large amount of currency in his luggage - but less than $10,000. This is ''[[http://www.snopes.com/business/money/10000.asp not]]'' illegal, and as the scene details, wouldn't work anyway; the arresting officer simply added some of his own cash to put the suspect over the limit.

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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: One ArtisticLicenseGeography:
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Federal Plaza is not the location of the FBI's New York field office. It is the address for the US Court of International Trade. 26 Federal Plaza is the address of the FBI's New York office.
**In the opening sequence, Sheik Ahmed Bin Talal is shown being black-bagged in what is said (in later dialogue to be) Lebanon, and a desert is shown. Lebanon is the only Arab country without a desert.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The One Federal Plaza bombing involves a van full of explosives being driven through the glass of the lobby, where it explodes. In real life, this could never would probably not happen, because ever since after the Oklahoma City bombing, federal buildings must now had to be constructed retrofitted with truck-resistant barriers and with deep setbacks from surrounding streets to keep them resistant to truck bombs. FBI buildings, for instance, must be set back 100 feet (30 m) from traffic.
* ArtisticLicenseLaw: A suspect is detained for carrying a large amount of currency in his luggage - but less than $10,000.a mere $20 under the $10,000 limit. This is ''[[http://www.snopes.com/business/money/10000.asp not]]'' illegal, and as the scene details, wouldn't work anyway; the arresting officer simply added some of his own cash to put the suspect over the limit.



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* BriefcaseFullOfMoney: A mule comes into the country with $9,980 in small bills, so as to avoid a law stating that any international transport of $10,000 or greater must be declared in advance. Frank adds a twenty from his wallet so the FBI can grab him anyway.

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* BriefcaseFullOfMoney: A mule comes into the country with $9,980 in small bills, so as to avoid a law stating that any international transport of any amount of cash of $10,000 or greater must be declared in advance. [[LoopholeAbuse Frank adds a twenty single $20 from his wallet so the FBI can grab him anyway.]]



* DeliveryGuyInfiltration: The FBI learns of a safe house belonging to some terrorists suspected of involvement with the bus bombings, which they believe may contain explosives or other chemicals that might have been used in the bombings. To raid it, Agent Danny Sussman is sent in ahead of the SWAT team disguised as a pizza delivery guy, and drops off a pizza box containing a smoke grenade. The grenade then goes off to disorient the occupants when the SWAT team storms in moments later.
* EmergencyAuthority: The President of the United States declares martial law in Brooklyn and the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, under Major General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis), occupies the city district, seals it off, and proceeds to round up all young Arab males into makeshift detention camps.

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* DeliveryGuyInfiltration: The FBI learns of a safe house belonging to some terrorists suspected of involvement with the bus bombings, which they believe may contain explosives or other chemicals that might have been used in the bombings. To raid it, Agent Danny Sussman an undercover agent is sent in ahead of the SWAT team disguised as a pizza delivery guy, and drops off a pizza box containing a smoke grenade. The grenade then goes off to disorient the occupants when the SWAT team storms in moments later.
* EmergencyAuthority: The President of the United States declares martial law in Brooklyn and the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, under Major General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis), Devereaux, occupies the city district, seals it off, and proceeds to round up all young Arab males into makeshift detention camps.



* GoryDiscretionShot: Used in the Sheikh's capture in the beginning. We see a Black Ops soldier disguised as a shepherd sneak away to pick up an assault rifle from his comrade. As the two get up and advance on the car, a herd of goats passes by the camera, with the noise made by the goats drowning out the sound of suppressed gunfire and also keeping us from seeing the soldiers kill the Sheikh's driver or knock the Sheikh unconscious.

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* GoryDiscretionShot: Used in the Sheikh's capture in the beginning. We see a Black Ops soldier disguised as a shepherd sneak away to pick up an assault rifle from his comrade. As the two get up and advance on the car, a herd of goats passes by the camera, with the noise made by the goats drowning out the sound of suppressed gunfire and also keeping us from seeing the soldiers kill the Sheikh's driver or knock bagging the Sheikh unconscious.Sheikh.



* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The Sheikh is clearly meant to be something like Osama bin Laden.
* OneWomanWail: When Hubbard is deafened temporarily after the second bus is blown up

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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The Sheikh is clearly meant to be something treated like Osama bin Laden.
* OneWomanWail: When Hubbard is deafened temporarily Done several times, notably after the second bus is blown upup, and later after One Federal Plaza is wiped out.



* SteelEardrums: Averted when bus 5287 is blown up: due to how close he's standing, Hubbard deafened by the blast for several minutes when the shockwave knocks him off his feet, and still is suffering from slight tinnitus sometime later.

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* SteelEardrums: Averted when the bus 5287 is blown up: due up. Due to how his close he's standing, Hubbard deafened by proximity to the blast for several minutes when the shockwave knocks him off radius, Hubbard temporarily loses his feet, hearing, and still is suffering from slight tinnitus sometime a couple hours later.
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