History Film / TheOtherBoleynGirl

28th Aug '16 7:09:35 PM frozen
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*** When Mary's husband died she was left destitute until Anne stepped in and forced the Careys to honour the terms of her marriage contract. Then she was kicked out of court because she married William Stafford, a soldier. The sisters never spoke again. Mary and Stafford were ''banished'' to remain in Rochford Hall. The rest of the Boleyns died within three years of each other after the execution of Anne and so Mary inherited what she was allowed by the state (admittedly, not much) shortly before her own death four years after her father. Baron Hunsford (Mary's eldest son) was good friends with Queen Elizabeth, though.

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*** When Mary's first husband died she was left destitute until Anne stepped in and forced the Careys to honour the terms of her marriage contract. Then she was kicked out of court because she married William Stafford, a soldier. The sisters never spoke again. Mary and Stafford were ''banished'' to remain in Rochford Hall. The rest of the Boleyns died within three years of each other after the execution of Anne and so Mary inherited what she was allowed by the state (admittedly, not much) shortly before her own death four years after her father. Baron Hunsford (Mary's eldest son) was good friends with Queen Elizabeth, though.



** Jane Parker didn't give testimony in court - nobody did - and in fact there's no evidence Jane was involved with the trial. (The testimony often attributed to her seems to have come from a letter written by another lady interrogated by Cromwell.)

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** Jane Parker didn't give testimony in court - nobody did - and in fact there's no evidence Jane she was involved with the trial. trial in any way. (The testimony often attributed to her seems to have come from a letter written by another lady interrogated by Cromwell.)



* HappilyEverAfter: The WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue says that Mary and Stafford lived happily as a couple after the events of the film. This is a bit tidier than real life in which [[spoiler: Mary died rather young (as many did), barely nine years into her marriage and when her younger children were seven and eight. Stafford outlived her and had six more children with his second cousin Dorothy, whom he married two years after Mary's death. Apparently Edward called his new stepmom "Aunt" instead, but that could well be as fictional as most of this movie.]]

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* HappilyEverAfter: The WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue says that Mary and Stafford lived happily as a couple after the events of the film. This is a bit tidier than real life in which [[spoiler: Mary died rather young (as many did), barely nine years into her marriage and when her younger children were seven and eight.p. Stafford outlived her and had six more children with his second cousin Dorothy, whom he married two years after Mary's death. Apparently Edward called his new stepmom "Aunt" instead, but that could well be as fictional as most of this movie.Mary's children with Stafford, if they survived, are unknown to history.]]
28th Aug '16 7:04:48 PM frozen
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Anne and Mary were both raised in France, and would have had French accents, not English.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Oh, God: where to start.
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Anne spent eight of her formative years in France and Mary were both raised in France, and would have had returned to England with a French accents, not English.accent, which she never quite shed.



** Mary was banished from the English Court by the Boleyn family for marrying so far below her station, not because she was a threat for Henry's affection.
*** When her husband Carey died she became a maid and was given a large widow's pension by her sister, the Queen, until she remarried. Then she was kicked out of court because Stafford was a soldier. The sisters never spoke again. Mary and Stafford were ''banished'' to remain in Rochford Hall, and not allowed to return to France as Mary wanted to. She did not go to London (probably out of stubbornness and annoyance at being held prisoner at a family estate) to see her siblings, nor the King. The rest of the Boleyns died within three years of each other after the execution of Anne and so Mary inherited what she was allowed by the state (admittedly, not much). Baron Carey (Mary's eldest son) was good friends with Queen Elizabeth, though.
** Mary was probably about a year or two older than Anne, too, and the parts with the back-and-forth marriage arrangements with Carey are probably fictional. Truly, though, the family would have wanted her for King Henry in the same way she was for King Francis of France. Mary was the King's mistress for around three years.
** Mary's personality was supposedly more like Anne's is depicted in the movie, so Anne may have been more delicate rather than the other way around. The French King called Mary "a [[ReallyGetsAround great slag]], infamous above all". Anne, also, would not need to try and seduce the King as he was also more than a little promiscuous and, knowing that Mary had a son, would think that Anne could give him one (she gave him at least two, one miscarried the other died before his first birthday).
*** Anne also became pregnant with Elizabeth in January of the year she married Henry (probably not long before the marriage, and eight years after Mary chose to stop being his mistress); historians are generally in dispute over whether the reason he married her because of this pregnancy. Hence, she wouldn't have been teasing the King but his mistress and if Mary was pregnant with his children (a whole ten years earlier) he would've married her.
*** Henry VIII was still married to Catherine of Aragon until after he married Anne Boleyn, so he couldn't really marry Mary before his divorce was going through. Mary's first two children were, interestingly enough, named Catherine and Henry, this could be taken as a sign of appeasement, of great patriotism, of her disputed infatuation with the King, or that she hoped the pair would be long wed. Also, her second two children were named Edward and Anne, perhaps after her sister (her second son born shortly before the King's own).
** While UsefulNotes/HenryVIII ''did'' have an illigitimate son (Henry [=FitzRoy=], literally 'Henry, the King's son') between the births of Mary and Elizabeth, his mother was Elizabeth (Bessie) Blount, not Mary Boleyn. Mary did also have two children, a daughter then a son, in this time. It is unlikely they were the children of the King. [=FitzRoy=] was acknowledged by the King as his son and given a place in court, though when Thomas Boleyn claimed Mary's son was also the King's, Henry acknowledged neither mother nor child.
** Mary Boleyn did not take and raise the future Queen Elizabeth as the movie suggests; with the exception of being demoted from Princess to Lady, Elizabeth's life remained the same.
** Anne was accused of having adultery with seven men, including George (whereas the film suggests it was just George). It's widely thought to have been cooked up by Thomas Cromwell out of nothing - not a case of NotWhatItLooksLike thanks to Jane Parker. While she ''did'' testify against her husband in court, she was more likely paid off by Cromwell.

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** Mary was banished from the English Court by the Boleyn family for marrying so far below her station, not because she was a threat for Henry's affection.
*** When her Mary's husband Carey died she became a maid and was given a large widow's pension by her sister, the Queen, left destitute until she remarried. Anne stepped in and forced the Careys to honour the terms of her marriage contract. Then she was kicked out of court because Stafford was she married William Stafford, a soldier. The sisters never spoke again. Mary and Stafford were ''banished'' to remain in Rochford Hall, and not allowed to return to France as Mary wanted to. She did not go to London (probably out of stubbornness and annoyance at being held prisoner at a family estate) to see her siblings, nor the King. Hall. The rest of the Boleyns died within three years of each other after the execution of Anne and so Mary inherited what she was allowed by the state (admittedly, not much). much) shortly before her own death four years after her father. Baron Carey Hunsford (Mary's eldest son) was good friends with Queen Elizabeth, though.
** Mary was probably about a year or two older than Anne, too, and the parts with the Anne.
** The
back-and-forth marriage arrangements with William Carey are entirely fictional; Carey was probably fictional. Truly, though, the family would have wanted her chosen for King Henry in the same way she was for King Francis of France. Mary because he was the King's mistress best the Boleyns could get given Mary's status as "damaged goods". Anne was at the time intended for around three years.
her cousin the Earl of Ormond.
** The details of Mary's actual affair with Henry are completely and totally unknown; we only know it happened because Henry mentioned it in a petition he sent to the Pope before he broke with Rome. It might have been as short as a single encounter, and may have occurred as early as 1518.
** There is zero evidence that either of Mary's children were Henry's, and in fact it's extremely unlikely they were as Henry was known to never sleep with married women.
** Mary's personality was supposedly more like Anne's is depicted in the movie, so Anne may have been more delicate rather than the other way around. The French King called Mary "a [[ReallyGetsAround great slag]], ribald]], infamous above all". Anne, also, would not need to try and seduce the King as he was also more than a little promiscuous and, knowing that Mary had a son, would think that all".
** The real
Anne could give him one (she gave him at least two, one miscarried the other died before his first birthday).
*** Anne also became pregnant
and Henry seem to have married twice; once without witnesses in November 1532, once privately but with Elizabeth witnesses in January of 1533. (Marriage at the year she married time could be contracted without witnesses.)
** There is of course no evidence that
Henry (probably not long before the marriage, and eight years after Mary chose to stop being his mistress); historians are generally in dispute over whether the reason he married her because of this pregnancy. Hence, she wouldn't have been teasing the King but his mistress and if Mary was pregnant with his children (a whole ten years earlier) he would've married her.
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raped Anne.
**
Henry VIII was still married to Catherine of Aragon until after he married Anne Boleyn, so he couldn't really marry never for a moment considered marrying Mary before his divorce was going through. Mary's first two children were, interestingly enough, named Catherine and Henry, this could be taken as a sign of appeasement, of great patriotism, of her disputed infatuation with the King, Boleyn in any way, shape, or that she hoped the pair would be long wed. Also, her second two children were named Edward and Anne, perhaps after her sister (her second son born shortly before the King's own).
form ''whatsoever'' at any time.
** While UsefulNotes/HenryVIII ''did'' have an illigitimate illegitimate son (Henry [=FitzRoy=], literally 'Henry, the King's son') between the births of Mary and Elizabeth, his mother was Elizabeth (Bessie) Blount, not Mary Boleyn. Mary did also have two children, a daughter then a son, in this time. It is unlikely they were the children of the King. [=FitzRoy=] was acknowledged by the King as his son and given a place in court, though when Thomas Boleyn claimed Mary's son was also the King's, Henry acknowledged neither mother nor child.
Boleyn.
** Mary Boleyn did not take in and raise the future Queen Elizabeth as the movie suggests; with the exception of being demoted in fact, they never met after Mary was banished.
** Anne Boleyn did not take Henry Carey away
from Princess Mary either. She made him her ward, which was mainly a financial transaction meant to Lady, Elizabeth's life remained the same.
protect his inheritance.
** Anne was accused of having adultery with seven five men, including George (whereas the film suggests it was just George). It's widely The accusations are thought to have been cooked up by Thomas Cromwell out of nothing - not a case of NotWhatItLooksLike thanks to nothing, probably at Henry's instigation.
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Jane Parker. While she ''did'' testify against Parker didn't give testimony in court - nobody did - and in fact there's no evidence Jane was involved with the trial. (The testimony often attributed to her husband in court, she was more likely paid off seems to have come from a letter written by another lady interrogated by Cromwell.)



-->'''Catherine of Aragon''': How dare you. You want me to creep away and become a nun? Well I shall not. You want me to lie before God and admit my first marriage was consummated? Well it was not. You want me to retire and [[MamaBear give up my daughter's claim as sole rightful heir to the throne?]] Well I shall not. Not in a thousand years. Not if you wrack me to within an inch of my life. I am Catherine, Queen of England! The King's one true wife and mother of the heir to the throne. Beloved of the people, and beloved of a king you have bewitched.

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-->'''Catherine of Aragon''': How dare you. You want me to creep away and become a nun? Well I shall not. You want me to lie before God and admit my first marriage was consummated? Well it was not. You want me to retire and [[MamaBear give up my daughter's claim as sole rightful heir to the throne?]] Well I shall not. Not in a thousand years. Not if you wrack rack me to within an inch of my life. I am Catherine, Queen of England! The King's one true wife and mother of the heir to the throne. Beloved of the people, and beloved of a king you have bewitched.
3rd May '16 7:51:40 AM shamblingdead2
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** Anne herself was described by one of her friends as being "good-looking enough," which means she probably wasn't very attractive by the standards of the day. She's played by Creator/NataliePortman.
24th Apr '16 6:49:47 PM TheBigBopper
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[[caption-width-right:238:Anne; Mary; Henry.]]
24th Apr '16 6:41:49 PM TheBigBopper
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* DuelingStarsMovie: Portman vs. Johansson
24th Apr '16 6:40:34 PM TheBigBopper
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The 2008 adaptation of the novel, TheOtherBoleynGirl shows a romanticized version of the events around UsefulNotes/{{Henry VIII}}'s marriage to his first and second wives and his affair with Mary Boleyn.

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The 2008 adaptation of the novel, TheOtherBoleynGirl shows a romanticized dramatized version of the events around UsefulNotes/{{Henry VIII}}'s marriage to his first and second wives and his affair with Mary Boleyn.



* AwesomeMomentOfCrowning: Anne Boleyn gets a short one.

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* AwesomeMomentOfCrowning: Deconstructed when we briefly see Anne Boleyn gets having the crown placed on her head following her marriage to Henry, but her emotional distress from Henry having raped her and blaming her for seducing him away from his wife and the Church makes what should be her moment of triumph feel like a short one.PyrrhicVictory.



* GoryDiscretionShot: The beheadings.
* GorgeousPeriodDress: 16th century Royal English Court attire.
* HappilyEverAfter: The WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue says this about Mary's future.
** Still, [[spoiler: Mary died rather young in real life (as many did), barely nine years into her marriage and when her younger children were seven and eight. Stafford outlived her and had six more children with his second cousin Dorothy, whom he married but two years after Mary's death. Apparently Edward called his new stepmom "Aunt" instead, but that could well be as fictional as most of this movie.]]
* HappilyMarried: Mary with Carey, Mary with Stafford. Henry VIII with Catherine and Anne, for a bit.
* HeirClubForMen: The historical events of this movie inspired the TropeNamer.

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* GoryDiscretionShot: The beheadings.
When the beheadings are shown, the camera cuts away the moment before the blow connects. We just see the reaction of the crowd as we hear the blade chop and the head thud to the ground.
* GorgeousPeriodDress: 16th century Royal English Court attire.
attire is represented in all its voluminous glory.
* HappilyEverAfter: The WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue says this about Mary's future.
** Still,
that Mary and Stafford lived happily as a couple after the events of the film. This is a bit tidier than real life in which [[spoiler: Mary died rather young in real life (as many did), barely nine years into her marriage and when her younger children were seven and eight. Stafford outlived her and had six more children with his second cousin Dorothy, whom he married but two years after Mary's death. Apparently Edward called his new stepmom "Aunt" instead, but that could well be as fictional as most of this movie.]]
* HappilyMarried: Mary with Carey, Mary with Stafford. Henry VIII with Catherine and Anne, for a bit.
Stafford are the only couple that end up happy in the long term, since in every other relationship either the love goes away or the partners get separated by circumstance.
* HeirClubForMen: Henry is anxious to produce a male heir in order to protect his dynasty and avert civil war, since a girl is not considered strong enough to hold power. The historical events of this movie inspired the TropeNamer.



* HollywoodHistory: The only way to tell this tale in a two hour film.

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* HollywoodHistory: The only way to tell this tale in a two hour film.film is to simplify and condense something that was more complicated in real life.



* LoveDodecahedron: EVERYONE to Henry.
* MarryForLove: Mary and Stafford.
* OffWithHisHead: George Boleyn and Anne Boleyn.
* ParentalMarriageVeto: Anne to Henry Percy.
* PimpedOutDress
* PrettyInMink

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* LoveDodecahedron: EVERYONE Who wants to Henry.
get with who is quite complicated, because everyone seemingly loves someone they shouldn't, wants to sleep their way to the top, and/or keeps changing their minds. Catherine of Aragon wants to keep her husband, but Henry is looking for a new woman and initially settles on Mary. Mary likes her first husband William Carrey and doesn't want to go to bed with Henry, but after they do she changes her mind and falls in love with Henry. Anne seduces Henry away from Mary, so now both Mary and Catherine are left unrequited. Then Henry gets tired of Anne and starts going out with Jane Seymour, etc.
* MarryForLove: Stafford proposes to Mary later in the film, promising that he will never betray her or take her for granted. In the end she accepts, and Stafford.
the WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue tells us they were HappilyMarried ever after.
* OffWithHisHead: George Boleyn and Anne Boleyn.
Boleyn are beheaded at the Tower of London for incest and treason. George gets the axe, while Anne gets a swordsman from France as one last courtesy.
* ParentalMarriageVeto: Anne Anne's parents and uncle refuse to recognize Anne's marriage to Henry Percy.
Percy because it will create a scandal and get them in hot water with the king. Even though they were married before a priest and consummated the union, they are forced to cover it up and pretend it never happened.
* PimpedOutDress
PimpedOutDress: All the court ladies wear fancy dresses with fine tailoring, silk, brocade, embroidery, pearls, the whole shebang.
* PrettyInMinkPrettyInMink: The nobility shows off its glamour and wealth with lots of luxurious fur. Anne wears a mantle of ermine to the scaffold.
* RapeAsDrama: By the time he obtains a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, Henry is impatient for Anne to give herself to him, especially because he blames her for egging him on to leave his wife and the Church. When Anne again refuses to go all the way until they're married, he flies into a rage and violently rapes her.
* ReasonYouSuckSpeech: Before she enters her trial, Catherine of Aragon chews out both Boleyn sisters for being sluts and backstabbers, reminding them that she is the true Queen of England.



* TakeThat: Delivered by Catherine of Aragon to both sisters at once before she enters her trial.
* TheMistress: Mary Boleyn, but technically not Anne.
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: For those that don't [[ItWasHisSled know this already.]]
** Specifically Anne Boleyn as her own gambit to become queen overshadows the original gambit.

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* TakeThat: Delivered by Catherine of Aragon to both sisters at once before she enters her trial.
* TheMistress: Mary Boleyn, but technically not Anne.
Boleyn becomes Henry's mistress, sleeping with him and bearing his child out of wedlock while he is still married to Catherine of Aragon. Anne, in contrast, refuses to become Henry's mistress and insists on him divorcing his wife and marrying her before she will sleep with him.
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: For those that don't [[ItWasHisSled know this already.]]
already]], the Epilogue presents us with vignettes of the various characters, informing us in the captions that Thomas Boleyn died in disgrace, Thomas Howard was put in the Tower for Treason, Mary lived happily in the country with Stafford, and Elizabeth grew up to reign as queen for 44 years.
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** Specifically Anne Boleyn as her own gambit to become queen overshadows the original gambit.
24th Apr '16 5:46:53 PM TheBigBopper
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* AmicablyDivorced: [[AvertedTrope Averted]] by Catherine of Aragon who IS the rightful Queen of England in her eyes.
* ArrangedMarriage
* YouFailHistoryForever: Anne and Mary were both raised in France, and would have had French accents, not English.

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* AmicablyDivorced: [[AvertedTrope Averted]] ArrangedMarriage: Just about every noble in this story has their match arranged by Catherine of Aragon who IS their family because it's the rightful Queen accepted way of England in her eyes.
doing things, and high level marriages require royal permission. Anne's attempt to have a secret marriage to a man who's already engaged to someone else has to be hushed up to prevent a scandal, and she is punished by being sent off to the French court.
* ArrangedMarriage
* YouFailHistoryForever:
ArtisticLicenseHistory: Anne and Mary were both raised in France, and would have had French accents, not English.



*** Anne also became pregnant with Elizabeth in January of the year she married Henry (probably not long before the marriage, and eight years after Mary chose to stop being his mistress); historians are generally in dispute over whether the reason he married her because of this pregnancy. Hence, she wouldn't've been teasing the King but his mistress and if Mary was pregnant with his children (a whole ten years earlier) he would've married her.

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*** Anne also became pregnant with Elizabeth in January of the year she married Henry (probably not long before the marriage, and eight years after Mary chose to stop being his mistress); historians are generally in dispute over whether the reason he married her because of this pregnancy. Hence, she wouldn't've wouldn't have been teasing the King but his mistress and if Mary was pregnant with his children (a whole ten years earlier) he would've married her.
6th Dec '15 11:23:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfTudor: UsefulNotes/HenryVIII, and UsefulNotes/ElizabethI are shown.
18th Jul '15 6:25:59 PM nombretomado
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* TheHouseOfTudor: UsefulNotes/HenryVIII, and UsefulNotes/ElizabethI are shown.

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* TheHouseOfTudor: UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfTudor: UsefulNotes/HenryVIII, and UsefulNotes/ElizabethI are shown.
25th May '15 10:13:30 AM NOYB
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* CallingTheOldManOut: Elizabeth Boleyn (nee Howard) calls out both her husband - who receives a rather loud and probably painful slap - and her brother for Anne's fate. She's probably right. Note, the word "probably" should be read as "completely and absolutely most definitely"
* CompositeCharacter: George was one of ''six'' other men Anne was accused of having adultery with. The film just has George being accused.

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* CallingTheOldManOut: Elizabeth Boleyn (nee (née Howard) calls out both her husband - who receives a rather loud and probably painful slap - and her brother for Anne's fate. She's probably right. Note, the word "probably" should be read as "completely and absolutely most definitely"
* CompositeCharacter: George was one of ''six'' other ''seven'' men Anne was accused of having adultery with. The film just has George being accused.
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