History Film / TheNatural

15th Oct '15 5:59:18 PM eroock
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-->'''Roy Hobbs''': I coulda been better. I coulda broke every record in the book. -->'''Iris Gaines''': And then? -->'''Roy Hobbs''': And then? And then when I walked down the street people would've looked and they would've said 'there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game'.
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-->'''Roy ->'''Roy Hobbs''': I coulda been better. I coulda broke every record in the book. -->'''Iris ->'''Iris Gaines''': And then? -->'''Roy ->'''Roy Hobbs''': And then? And then when I walked down the street people would've looked and they would've said 'there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game'.

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3rd Oct '15 1:45:07 PM flambeau
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** The plot itself appears to be heavily influenced by Greek Mythology and Homer's writings. Roy is Odysseus, the hero trying to find his way home. Max Mercy is Vulcan, the God of Fire and Forging; he can "make or break" upcoming ball players and is always seen in red or brown clothing. Pop Fisher is Zeus, King of the Gods; his uniform is #1 and both the oak tree and lightning bolt are his symbols. The Judge is Hades, God of the Underworld; he is always in the dark a.k.a. death, and the dead are "judged" in the underworld. Memo Paris is Kalypso, a sea nymph who had an affair with Odysseus and held/distracted him from returning home. Gus Sands is the Cyclops with the one strange eye. Iris Gaines is Penelope, the wife of Odysseus, who patiently and faithfully waited for her true love to return home.
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** The whole plot itself appears to be heavily influenced by Greek Mythology and Homer's writings. Roy is Odysseus, the hero trying to find his way home. Max Mercy is Vulcan, the God of Fire and Forging; he can "make or break" upcoming ball players and is always seen in red or brown clothing. Pop Fisher is Zeus, King of the Gods; his uniform is #1 and both the oak tree and lightning bolt are his symbols. The Judge is Hades, God of the Underworld; he is always in the dark a.k.a. death, and the dead are "judged" in the underworld. Memo Paris is Kalypso, a sea nymph who had an affair with Odysseus and held/distracted him from returning home. Gus Sands is the Cyclops with the one strange eye. Iris Gaines is Penelope, the wife of Odysseus, who patiently and faithfully waited for her true love to return home.

* TamperingWithFoodAndDrink: To keep the Knight's from winning their next few games, Memo offers an unsuspecting Roy a bite of drugged a food at a party. He ends up ill and has to be rushed to the hospital, where he spends several days recovering.
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* TamperingWithFoodAndDrink: To keep the Knight's from winning their next few games, Memo offers an unsuspecting Roy a bite of drugged a food at a party. He ends up ill and has to be rushed to the hospital, where he spends several days recovering.
1st Oct '15 1:40:31 PM flambeau
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* SomeoneToRememberHimBy: Iris has a secret.

* SomeoneToRememberHimBy: Iris has a secret.
1st Oct '15 1:39:15 PM flambeau
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Based on the novel by Bernard Malamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him.
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Based on the novel by Bernard Malamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years Sixteen years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him. him.

* CallBack: Roy, a young natural talent, strikes out The Whammer early in the film, right after Max explicitly calls Whammer the best there ever was. Roy becomes determined to earn that title for himself, and during the climax of the film, he faces off against a young pitcher who the announcer describes as "a natural", and who will clearly one day become a legend in his own right. The man even looks a little bit like a young Robert Redford.
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* CallBack: Roy, a young natural talent, strikes out The Whammer early in the film, right after Max explicitly calls Whammer the best there ever was. Roy becomes determined to earn that title for himself, and during the climax of the film, film he faces off against is almost struck out by a young pitcher who the radio announcer describes as "a natural", and who will clearly one day become a legend in his own right. The man even looks a little bit like a young Robert Redford.

* CatapultNightmare: Roy has a nightmare involving the woman who shot him ([[{{Foreshadowing}} while in bed with Memo]]), and jerks awake in a panic.
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* CatapultNightmare: Roy has a nightmare involving the woman who shot him ([[{{Foreshadowing}} while in bed with Memo]]), and jerks awake in a panic.fright.

* {{Foreshadowing}}: Max is introduced reading a story about two famous athletes who were both shot with silver bullets. Harriet enters the train-car moments later and begins eyeing Whammer.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Max is introduced reading a news story about two famous athletes who were both shot with silver bullets. Harriet enters the train-car moments later and begins eyeing Whammer.

* HowWeGotHere: A subtle example. The film opens with a scene of Roy boarding a train as an adult, then flashes back to his childhood and days as a young, up and coming talent. After the incident that ends his career before it even starts, the film cuts to sixteen years later, and shows Roy arriving at the Knight's practice session, wearing the same clothing as the opening scene.
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* HowWeGotHere: A subtle example. The film opens with a scene of Roy boarding a train as an adult, then flashes back to his childhood and days as a young, up and coming talent. pitcher. After the incident that ends his career before it even starts, the film cuts to sixteen years later, later and shows Roy arriving at the Knight's practice session, ballpark in the middle of a game, wearing the same clothing as the opening scene.

* MissingMom: Roy's mother is never seen or mentioned, which leads to some interesting questions about who exactly took care of him after the death of his father. * MoodWhiplash: Bump Bailey's death occurs during a game where he's playing exceptionally well, and the coaches are congratulating each other on successfully motivating him to play better... then he crashes through the outfield wall while chasing a ball and it cuts to a radio announcer describing his funeral while his ashes are scattered on the field. The whole thing comes completely out of nowhere.
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* MissingMom: Roy's mother is never seen or mentioned, which leads to raises some interesting questions about who exactly took care of him after the death of his father. * MoodWhiplash: Bump Bailey's death occurs during a game where he's playing exceptionally well, and the coaches are congratulating each other on successfully motivating him to play better... then better. Then he crashes through the outfield wall while chasing a ball and it cuts to a radio announcer describing his funeral while his ashes are scattered on the field. The whole thing comes completely out of nowhere.

* MissingMom: Roy's mother is never seen or mentioned, which leads to some interesting questions about who exactly took care of him after TamperingWithFoodAndDrink: To keep the death Knight's from winning their next few games, Memo offers an unsuspecting Roy a bite of his father. * MoodWhiplash: Bump Bailey's death occurs during drugged a game food at a party. He ends up ill and has to be rushed to the hospital, where he's playing exceptionally well, and the coaches are congratulating each other on successfully motivating him to play better... then he crashes through the outfield wall while chasing a ball and it cuts to a radio announcer describing his funeral while his ashes are scattered on the field. The whole thing comes completely out of nowhere.spends several days recovering.

* VillainousBreakdown: Memo pulls a gun on Roy when he tells The Judge that he's not going to throw the game, since it means that he won't run away with her like she begged him to.
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* VillainousBreakdown: Memo [[spoiler: Memo]] pulls a gun on Roy when he tells The Judge that he's not going to throw the game, since it also means that he won't he's refusing to run away with her like she begged him to.

* WomanInWhite: Iris, when she attends the baseball game where Roy breaks his batting slump. She's even back-lit by the sun so it looks like she's glowing.
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* WomanInWhite: Iris, when she attends the baseball game where in which Roy breaks his batting slump. She's even back-lit by the sun so it looks like she's glowing.

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1st Oct '15 11:42:39 AM flambeau
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* CallBack: Roy, a young natural talent, strikes out The Whammer early in the film, right after Max explicitly calls Whammer the best there ever was. Roy becomes determined to earn that title for himself, and during the climax of the film, he faces off against a young pitcher who the announcer describes as "a natural", and who will clearly one day become a legend in his own right. The man even looks a little bit like a young Robert Redford.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Max is introduced reading a story about two famous athletes who were both shot with silver bullets. Harriet enters the train-car moments later and begins eyeing Whammer. ** The first time we see Roy miss a pitch is at the carnival when Harriet (along with Max and Whammer) comes over to watch his throwing. This foreshadows the slump he goes through later, during his relationship with Memo.

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* HowWeGotHere: A subtle example. The film opens with a scene of Roy boarding a train as an adult, then flashes back to his childhood and days as a young, up and coming talent. After the incident that ends his career before it even starts, the film cuts to sixteen years later, and shows Roy arriving at the Knight's practice session, wearing the same clothing as the opening scene.

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* MissingMom: Roy's mother is never seen or mentioned, which leads to some interesting questions about who exactly took care of him after the death of his father.
1st Oct '15 10:36:47 AM flambeau
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* FirstGirlWins / VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Roy refuses to throw the game and run away with Memo like she begged him to, and the final scene shows him playing catch with [[spoiler: his son]] while Iris watches.
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* FirstGirlWins / VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Roy refuses to throw the game and run away with Memo like she begged him to, Memo, and the final scene shows him playing catch with [[spoiler: his son]] while Iris watches.watches with a smile.

* HypocriticalHumor: The Judge berates Roy for turning down his bribe to throw the game by declaring "I thought I could rely on your honor!"
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* HypocriticalHumor: The Judge berates Roy for [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules turning down his bribe to throw the game game]] by declaring "I thought I could rely on your honor!"

** The plot itself appears to be heavily influenced by Greek Mythology and Homer's writings. Roy is Odysseus, the hero trying to find his way home. Max Mercy is Vulcan, the God of Fire and Forging; he can "make or break" upcoming ball players and is always seen in red or brown clothing. Pop Fisher is Zeus, King of the Gods; his uniform is #1 and both the oak tree and lightning bolt are his symbols. The Judge is Hades, God of the Underworld; he is always in the dark a.k.a. death, and the dead are "judged" in the underworld. Memo Paris is Kalypso, a sea nymph who had an affair with Odysseus and held/distracted him from returning home. Gus Sands is the Cyclops with the one strange eye. Iris Gaines, Roy's true love, is Penelope, the wife of Odysseus.
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** The plot itself appears to be heavily influenced by Greek Mythology and Homer's writings. Roy is Odysseus, the hero trying to find his way home. Max Mercy is Vulcan, the God of Fire and Forging; he can "make or break" upcoming ball players and is always seen in red or brown clothing. Pop Fisher is Zeus, King of the Gods; his uniform is #1 and both the oak tree and lightning bolt are his symbols. The Judge is Hades, God of the Underworld; he is always in the dark a.k.a. death, and the dead are "judged" in the underworld. Memo Paris is Kalypso, a sea nymph who had an affair with Odysseus and held/distracted him from returning home. Gus Sands is the Cyclops with the one strange eye. Iris Gaines, Roy's true love, Gaines is Penelope, the wife of Odysseus.Odysseus, who patiently and faithfully waited for her true love to return home.

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* TheThirtiesTheThirties: The commemorative centennial patches on the left arm of the Knight's uniforms indicate that the later part of the film takes place during the 1939 season.
1st Oct '15 10:23:52 AM flambeau
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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself to be a LoonyFan) and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. The tropes is ultimately subverted when he chooses Iris in the end.
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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself to be a LoonyFan) and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. The tropes trope is ultimately subverted when he chooses Iris in the end.

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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself DeadpanSnarker: Roy likes to be a LoonyFan) sneak these into conversation now and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. The tropes is ultimately subverted when he chooses Iris in the end.then. --> '''Max''': You read my mind. --> '''Roy''': That takes all of three seconds.

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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself to be a LoonyFan) and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. HypocriticalHumor: The tropes is ultimately subverted when he chooses Iris in Judge berates Roy for turning down his bribe to throw the end.game by declaring "I thought I could rely on your honor!"

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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself to be RunningGag: "I shoulda been a LoonyFan) and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. The tropes is ultimately subverted when he chooses Iris in the end.farmer."

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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself ** The plot itself appears to be a LoonyFan) heavily influenced by Greek Mythology and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. Homer's writings. Roy is Odysseus, the hero trying to find his way home. Max Mercy is Vulcan, the God of Fire and Forging; he can "make or break" upcoming ball players and is always seen in red or brown clothing. Pop Fisher is Zeus, King of the Gods; his uniform is #1 and both the oak tree and lightning bolt are his symbols. The tropes Judge is ultimately subverted when Hades, God of the Underworld; he chooses Iris is always in the end.dark a.k.a. death, and the dead are "judged" in the underworld. Memo Paris is Kalypso, a sea nymph who had an affair with Odysseus and held/distracted him from returning home. Gus Sands is the Cyclops with the one strange eye. Iris Gaines, Roy's true love, is Penelope, the wife of Odysseus.
1st Oct '15 9:59:09 AM flambeau
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Based on the novel by BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him.
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Based on the novel by BernardMalamud, Bernard Malamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him.

Based on the novel by BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' * AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A male version with Roy, who expresses interest in Harriet (until she reveals herself to be a LoonyFan) and pursues a relationship with Memo despite being cautioned against it. The tropes is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed ultimately subverted when he is shot chooses Iris in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him. end.

Based on * CatapultNightmare: Roy has a nightmare involving the novel by BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is woman who shot him ([[{{Foreshadowing}} while in the gut by bed with Memo]]), and jerks awake in a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him. panic.

* FirstGirlWins / VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Implied with the ending.
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* FirstGirlWins / VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Implied Roy refuses to throw the game and run away with Memo like she begged him to, and the ending.final scene shows him playing catch with [[spoiler: his son]] while Iris watches.

* FirstGirlWins / VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Implied with HisStoryRepeatsItself: [[spoiler: Memo]] pulls a gun on Roy during her VillainousBreakdown. She doesn't shoot him, but he's understandably unnerved at the ending.sight (considering what happened to him sixteen years before), and he visibly relaxes after taking it away from her. Then he hangs a lampshade on the parallel by telling her [[CallBack she was right]]; they have met before.

* LivingLegend: Becoming one is Roy's biggest dream in life. He succeeds.
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* LivingLegend: Becoming one is Roy's biggest dream in life. [[spoiler: He succeeds.]]

* LoonyFan: "Are you the best there ever was?"
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* LoonyFan: Of the very creepy variety. --> "Are you the best there ever was?"

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* LoonyFan: "Are you the best there ever was?"TimeshiftedActor: Paul Sullivan Jr. as Young Roy, and Rachel Hall as Young Iris.

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* LoonyFan: "Are you VillainousBreakdown: Memo pulls a gun on Roy when he tells The Judge that he's not going to throw the best there ever was?"game, since it means that he won't run away with her like she begged him to.
1st Oct '15 8:33:19 AM flambeau
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-->'''Roy Hobbs''': And then? And then when I walked down the street people would've looked and they would've said there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game. Based on the novel by Creator/BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him.
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-->'''Roy Hobbs''': And then? And then when I walked down the street people would've looked and they would've said there 'there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game.game'. Based on the novel by Creator/BernardMalamud, BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him.

-->'''Roy Hobbs''': And then? And then when I walked down * TheAce: Roy in his younger days. He develops into a (very downplayed) BrokenAce after the street people would've looked and they would've said there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game. Based on the novel by Creator/BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot in the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes incident that ruined his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him. early career.

-->'''Roy Hobbs''': And then? And then when I walked down the street people would've looked and they would've said there goes Roy Hobbs, the best there ever was in this game. Based on the novel by Creator/BernardMalamud, ''The Natural'' is a 1984 film starring Creator/RobertRedford as Roy Hobbs, a supernaturally gifted * BookEnds: The movie begins with young baseball talent whose career is derailed when he is shot Roy playing catch with his father in a field on their farm, and ends with adult Roy playing catch with [[spoiler: his son]] in what appears to be the gut by a deranged fan. Years later he makes his belated big league debut, but his dark secret threatens to destroy him. same field.

* DarkIsEvil: Implied with [[NoNameGiven the Judge]], who refuses to light his office. Roy doesn't hold this belief so, saying that the only think he knows about the dark is "you can't see in it."
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* DarkIsEvil: Implied with [[NoNameGiven the Judge]], who refuses to light his office. Roy doesn't hold this belief so, belief, saying that the only think he knows about the dark is "you can't see in it."

* DarkIsEvil: FirstGirlWins / VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Implied with [[NoNameGiven the Judge]], who refuses to light ending. * FriendToAllChildren: Roy goes out of his office. Roy doesn't hold this belief so, saying that the only think way to be kind and friendly with every child he knows about the dark is "you can't see in it."meets.

* DarkIsEvil: Implied with [[NoNameGiven LivingLegend: Becoming one is Roy's biggest dream in life. He succeeds. --> "There goes Roy Hobbs, the Judge]], who refuses to light his office. Roy doesn't hold best there ever was in this belief so, saying that the only think he knows about the dark is "you can't see in it.game."

* MundaneMadeAwesome: The film makes games in which Hobbs plays seem like Ragnarok. Hobbs knocks the cover off of balls, wedges the ball into the net when he pitches, and at the end his homerun hit destroys the lighting fixtures, causing explosions of sparks to rain down on the field.
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* MoodWhiplash: Bump Bailey's death occurs during a game where he's playing exceptionally well, and the coaches are congratulating each other on successfully motivating him to play better... then he crashes through the outfield wall while chasing a ball and it cuts to a radio announcer describing his funeral while his ashes are scattered on the field. The whole thing comes completely out of nowhere. * MundaneMadeAwesome: The film makes games in which Hobbs plays seem like Ragnarok. Hobbs knocks the cover off of balls, wedges the ball into the net when he pitches, and at the end his homerun home run hit destroys the lighting fixtures, causing explosions of sparks to rain down on the field.field as he rounds the bases.

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* MundaneMadeAwesome: The film makes games in which Hobbs plays seem WomanInWhite: Iris, when she attends the baseball game where Roy breaks his batting slump. She's even back-lit by the sun so it looks like Ragnarok. Hobbs knocks the cover off of balls, wedges the ball into the net when he pitches, and at the end his homerun hit destroys the lighting fixtures, causing explosions of sparks to rain down on the field. she's glowing.
21st Apr '15 8:09:53 AM acrobox
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* AMasterMakesTheirOwnTools: At the beginning of the movie, lightning strikes an oak tree outside the family home. Obviously, the thing to do is to turn the wood into a regulation baseball bat and use it to start a career as a professional baseball player.
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