History Film / TheManWhoShotLibertyValance

22nd Apr '17 10:59:07 PM Robotech_Master
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* NoodleIncident: Ransom agrees to give an interview to the young reporter because the founder of that paper once fired him. However, this is never shown to happen during the flashback that constitutes most of the movie.



* WhereTheHellIsSpringfield: It's never actually said ''which'' US territory is fighting for statehood in this movie, making Shinbone's location simply "The West".

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* WhereTheHellIsSpringfield: It's never actually said ''which'' US territory is fighting for statehood in this movie, making Shinbone's location simply "The West". (However, a little research reveals that the Picketwire River (actually [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatoire_River the Purgatoire River]]) runs through Colorado.)
22nd Apr '17 4:07:08 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Falls somewhere in the middle, though it is still arguably the most cynical of all the films that John Ford directed and both of the lead actors starred in. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit (even if it's very reluctantly).]]

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Falls somewhere in the middle, though it is still arguably the most cynical of all the films that John Ford directed and both of the lead actors starred in. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and the women he love.loves.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along he dies alone and forgotten while his friend takes the credit (even if it's very reluctantly).reluctantly so).]]
22nd Apr '17 4:05:35 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the films that John Ford directed and both of the lead actors starred in.

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Played With.Falls somewhere in the middle, though it is still arguably the most cynical of all the films that John Ford directed and both of the lead actors starred in. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.(even if it's very reluctantly).]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the films that John Ford directed and both of the lead actors starred in.
22nd Apr '17 4:03:18 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by films that John Ford directed and starring John Wayne.both of the lead actors starred in.
22nd Apr '17 4:02:21 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* TheSlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.

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* TheSlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism: SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.
22nd Apr '17 4:01:46 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism: TheSlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.
22nd Apr '17 4:01:21 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCyncism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit. And even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it stating that ''the legends become the facts.'']] Still, this is arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCyncism: SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit. And credit and even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it stating that ''the legends become the facts.'']] Still, this is it.]] Still its arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.
22nd Apr '17 4:00:05 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCyncism: Played With. On one hand, Tom does [[spoiler: give up everything he holds dear for the sake of the town, his friend, and women he love.]] Yet on the other hand [[spoiler: He does die along and forgotten while his friend takes the credit. And even when Ranse does confessed he didn't kill Liberty Valance, the reporters he tells the story to refuse to publish it stating that ''the legends become the facts.'']] Still, this is arguably the most cynical of all the movie directed by John Ford and starring John Wayne.



* UnbuiltTrope: If you primarily know of John Wayne's work through PopCultureOsmosis, watching this film can be a bit jarring. While not Wayne's first movie as a leading man (that was ''The Big Trail''), it's largely responsible for solidifying American pop culture's image of him: it was the first movie to cast him as a LovableRogue cowboy in a ten-gallon hat and a neckerchief who defends the weak while snarking cynically, and it spawned his iconic CatchPhrase "Pilgrim", among other things.

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* UnbuiltTrope: If you primarily know of John Wayne's work through PopCultureOsmosis, watching this film can be a bit jarring. While not Wayne's first movie as a leading man (that was ''The Big Trail''), it's largely responsible for solidifying American pop culture's image of him: it was the first movie to cast him as a LovableRogue cowboy in a ten-gallon hat and a neckerchief who defends the weak while snarking cynically, and it spawned his iconic CatchPhrase "Pilgrim", among other things. It's also a vicious GenreDeconstruction of Westerns that's ultimately about [[EndOfAnAge the death of the Old West]], and it ends with Wayne's character [[spoiler: dying alone and unremembered after succumbing to his alcoholism, while another man [[DidNotGetTheGirl marries his only love]] and [[StealingTheCredit takes the credit]] for his final heroic deed]].
22nd Apr '17 1:15:14 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* HamToHamCombat: Every major character is chewing the scenery like nobody's business. And the one-scene cameo by John Carradine tops them all in the LargeHam category. It's amazing by film's end that the soundstage they filmed on is left standing.
* HeartBrokenBadAss: [[spoiler:Tom Doniphon, who lost the woman he loved and his chance to become a heroic, legendary figure, though the last part probably didn't bother him as much as the first part. Losing the woman he loved to Ransom haunted Tom for the rest of his life and he was never able to move on from it and find love again with anyone else.]]

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* HamToHamCombat: Every major character is chewing {{chewing the scenery scenery}} like nobody's business. And the one-scene cameo by John Carradine tops them all in the LargeHam category. It's amazing by film's end that the soundstage they filmed on is left standing.
* HeartBrokenBadAss: HeartbrokenBadass: [[spoiler:Tom Doniphon, who lost the woman he loved and his chance to become a heroic, legendary figure, though the last part probably didn't bother him as much as the first part. Losing the woman he loved to Ransom haunted Tom for the rest of his life and he was never able to move on from it and find love again with anyone else.]]
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