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22nd May '16 6:06:39 AM Nohbody
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19th Apr '16 9:31:29 AM wittylibrarian
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* TheStoic: Engineer Melekhin, the only officer who doesn't share in the HeroicBSOD. In fact, despite the extremely tense situation surrounding him the entire movie, the only event that gives him any visible distress is the sabotage to the caterpillar drive, as it was the first sign that they had a genuine saboteur onboard.

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* TheStoic: Engineer Melekhin, the only officer who doesn't share in the HeroicBSOD. In fact, despite the extremely tense situation surrounding him the entire movie, the only event that gives him any visible distress is the sabotage to the caterpillar drive, as it was the first sign that they had a genuine saboteur onboard.on-board.
16th Apr '16 12:06:41 AM JackG
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* AmbiguouslyEvil: The movie raises the possibility that Ramius has gone mad and is intending to start WWIII, e.g. when he confiscates both keys [[TwoKeyedLock needed to launch the missiles]] (this is rejected early in the novel, as five officers are needed to launch the missiles, and their range is such they could have done so the moment Red October left harbour). The Soviets later claim this in order to get the Americans to sink Red October, so dramatic tension is then created by Ryan trying to convince Mancuso that Ramias is genuine.

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* AmbiguouslyEvil: The movie raises the possibility that Ramius has gone mad and is intending to start WWIII, e.g. when he confiscates both keys [[TwoKeyedLock needed to launch the missiles]] (this is rejected early in the novel, as five officers are needed to launch the missiles, and their range is such they could have done so the moment Red October left harbour). The Soviets later claim this in order to get the Americans to sink Red October, so dramatic tension is then created by Ryan trying to convince Mancuso that Ramias is genuine.


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* PoorCommunicationKills: InUniverse; when the Soviet Ambassador tells Pelt that Ramias intends to start WWIII, Pelt naturally asks why the hell he didn't say this earlier. The ambassador replies, "My job is sometimes hampered by the fact that Moscow does not choose to tell me everything!"
16th Apr '16 12:00:39 AM JackG
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* AmbiguouslyEvil: The movie raises the possibility that Ramius has gone mad and is intending to start WWIII, e.g. when he confiscates both keys [[TwoKeyLock needed to launch the missiles]] (this is rejected early in the novel, as five officers are needed to launch the missiles, and their range is such they could have done so the moment Red October left harbour). The Soviets later claim this in order to get the Americans to sink Red October, so dramatic tension is then created by Ryan trying to convince Mancuso that Ramias is genuine.

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* AmbiguouslyEvil: The movie raises the possibility that Ramius has gone mad and is intending to start WWIII, e.g. when he confiscates both keys [[TwoKeyLock [[TwoKeyedLock needed to launch the missiles]] (this is rejected early in the novel, as five officers are needed to launch the missiles, and their range is such they could have done so the moment Red October left harbour). harbour). The Soviets later claim this in order to get the Americans to sink Red October, so dramatic tension is then created by Ryan trying to convince Mancuso that Ramias is genuine.
15th Apr '16 11:59:52 PM JackG
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* AmbiguouslyEvil: The movie raises the possibility that Ramius has gone mad and is intending to start WWIII, e.g. when he confiscates both keys [[TwoKeyLock needed to launch the missiles]] (this is rejected early in the novel, as five officers are needed to launch the missiles, and their range is such they could have done so the moment Red October left harbour). The Soviets later claim this in order to get the Americans to sink Red October, so dramatic tension is then created by Ryan trying to convince Mancuso that Ramias is genuine.
12th Apr '16 8:05:54 AM StarTropes
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* SilentRunningMode: Submarines are of course designed to do this from the very start. ''Red October'' is a particular example in that its caterpillar drive makes it unusually quiet even for submarines.

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* SilentRunningMode: Submarines are of course designed to do this from the very start. start.
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''Red October'' is a particular example in that its caterpillar drive makes it unusually quiet even for submarines.submarines.
** The ''Dallas'' is forced to go silent at one point while trailing ''Red October''.
--> '''Jones:''' Conn, sonar! Crazy Ivan!\\
'''Mancuso:''' All stop, quick quiet.
6th Apr '16 4:31:59 PM StevieC
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-->'''Slavin:''' ''If'' the map is accurate enough…
22nd Mar '16 9:09:09 AM Willbyr
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* AlmightyJanitor: [[spoiler:The cook on the Red October is a skilled spy and loyalist to the USSR]].

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* AlmightyJanitor: [[spoiler:The cook on the Red October ''Red October'' is a skilled spy and loyalist to the USSR]].



-->(Ramius sees Mancuso's sidearm and says to Borodin that Mancuso is a ''бакару'' (sounds just like the English "buckaroo"). Ryan laughs.)\\

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-->(Ramius -->(''Ramius sees Mancuso's sidearm and says to Borodin that Mancuso is a ''бакару'' (sounds [sounds just like the English "buckaroo")."buckaroo"]. Ryan laughs.)\\'')\\



--> "So he was murdered. I have no problem with that. The man was a pig."

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--> "So -->So he was murdered. I have no problem with that. The man was a pig."''pig''.



--->A torpedo passes by the sub just after Ramius and Mancuso share a handshake\\
'''Russian Sailor (in English)''': Another torpedo. The Americans are shooting at us again!\\

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--->A --->(''A torpedo passes by the sub just after Ramius and Mancuso share a handshake\\
handshake'')\\
'''Russian Sailor (in English)''': Sailor''' (''in English''): Another torpedo. The Americans are shooting at us again!\\



--> '''Jones''' Way to go, ''Dallas''!

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--> '''Jones''' -->'''Jones''': Way to go, ''Dallas''!



-->''"When he reached the New World, Cortez burned his ships. As a result, his men were well-motivated."''

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-->''"When -->When he reached the New World, Cortez burned his ships. As a result, his men were well-motivated."''



'''Mancuso''': No [[PrecisionFStrike shit]], buckwheat! Get the hell out of here!

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'''Mancuso''': No [[PrecisionFStrike No shit]], buckwheat! Get the hell out of here!



* ChekhovsGun: the rescue sub Ryan sees Skip working on in the beginning.

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* ChekhovsGun: the The rescue sub Ryan sees Skip working on in the beginning.



* CunningLinguist: Jack Ryan.

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* CunningLinguist: Jack Ryan.Ryan's fluency in Russian comes in very handy after he and the ''Dallas'' crew get on the ''Red October''.



* DeathByAdaptation: [[spoiler:Borodin.]]

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* DeathByAdaptation: [[spoiler:Borodin.]][[spoiler:Borodin]] is killed by the GRU mole.



* EurekaMoment: When Ryan figures out the last part of Ramius' plan. "How do you make a crew want to get off a ''nuclear'' subma..."

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* EurekaMoment: When Ryan figures out the last part of Ramius' plan. "How plan.
-->How
do you make a crew want to get off a ''nuclear'' subma..."



* EveryoneKnowsMorse: Mancuso sends Morse messages to Ramius (watching by periscope) with a light blinker, asking for an active sonar ping to signal Ramius' agreement. It's at least discussed, as Mancuso says, "My Morse is so rusty, I could be sending him dimensions on [[{{playboy}} Playmate of the Month]]."

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* EveryoneKnowsMorse: Mancuso sends Morse messages to Ramius (watching by periscope) with a light blinker, asking for an active sonar ping to signal Ramius' agreement. It's at least discussed, as Mancuso says, "My Morse is so rusty, I could be sending him dimensions on [[{{playboy}} [[Magazine/{{Playboy}} Playmate of the Month]]."



* EvilVirtues: [[spoiler: [[TheMole The Cook]]]] is not only willing to sacrifice himself to prevent the missile sub from falling into enemy hands, but is resourceful enough to come very close to destroying the submarine with all of the conspirators aboard.

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* EvilVirtues: [[spoiler: [[TheMole [[spoiler:[[TheMole The Cook]]]] is not only willing to sacrifice himself to prevent the missile sub from falling into enemy hands, but is resourceful enough to come very close to destroying the submarine with all of the conspirators aboard.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: When Captain Mancuso is preparing to destroy the Red October (while Ryan pleads his case that Ramius intends to defect) he remarks "I want full safeties, I don't want this fish coming back on us." Later [[spoiler:the Russian sub pursuing Red October is destroyed by its own torpedo.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: When Captain Mancuso is preparing to destroy the Red October ''Red October'' (while Ryan pleads his case that Ramius intends to defect) he remarks "I want full safeties, I don't want this fish coming back on us." Later [[spoiler:the Russian sub pursuing Red October ''Red October'' is destroyed by its own torpedo.]]torpedo]].



* HeroicBSOD: While a few of the officers are bothered by [[spoiler: Ramius killing Putin,]] they are, [[TheStoic with one exception,]] shocked out of their minds when he reveals that he [[spoiler: sent a letter to Admiral Pedorin telling him of their plans to defect.]]

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* HeroicBSOD: While a few of the officers are bothered by [[spoiler: Ramius [[spoiler:Ramius killing Putin,]] they are, [[TheStoic with one exception,]] exception]], shocked out of their minds when he reveals that he [[spoiler: sent [[spoiler:sent a letter to Admiral Pedorin telling him of their plans to defect.]]defect]].



** The crew of the ''Red October'' that had abandoned ship end up believing Ramius and the officers did a collective one since they were fooled into thinking that they got them off so they could scuttle the sub rather than have it captured.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Tupolev, thanks to a MisguidedMissile. [[spoiler: It was his own torpedo, cunningly baited to head right back towards him. Thanks to them being forced to remove the safeties to prevent Ramius from ramming another one before it can arm, it instantly detonates.]]
* HyperAwareness: Seaman Jones, [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in that veteran sonar operators in RealLife really ''are'' '''that''' good, to the point of identifying individual ships by the sound of their engines.
-->'''Russian Sailor (in English)''': Another torpedo. The Americans are shooting at us again!\\

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** The crew of the ''Red October'' that had abandoned ship end up [[InvokedTrope believing Ramius and the officers did a collective one one]] since they were fooled into thinking that they got them off so they could scuttle the sub rather than have it captured.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Tupolev, thanks to a MisguidedMissile. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It was his own torpedo, cunningly baited to head right back towards him. Thanks to them being forced to remove him ordering the safeties disabled to prevent Ramius from ramming another one before it can arm, it instantly detonates.]]
* HyperAwareness: Seaman Jones, [[JustifiedTrope justified]] {{justified|Trope}} in that veteran sonar operators in RealLife really ''are'' '''that''' good, to the point of identifying individual ships by the sound of their engines.
-->'''Russian Sailor (in English)''': Sailor''' (''in English''): Another torpedo. The Americans are shooting at us again!\\



* IWasNeverHere: Admiral Greer, [[spoiler:who deliberately detonated the American torpedo targeting the ''Red October'']]: "Now understand, Commander: That torpedo did ''not'' self-destruct. You heard it '''hit''' the hull. And I... ''was never here''."

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* IWasNeverHere: Admiral Greer, [[spoiler:who deliberately detonated the American torpedo targeting the ''Red October'']]: "Now October'']].
-->Now
understand, Commander: That torpedo did ''not'' self-destruct. You heard it '''hit''' the hull. And I... (''shows his ID'') ''was never here''."



-->'''Ryan''': I have to be careful what ''I'' shoot at?!

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-->'''Ryan''': I have to be careful what ''I'' shoot at?!at?! (''the camera pans to show the ICBMs in their launch racks'')



* ANuclearError: [[RuleOfDrama In order to heighten tensions and give a deadline for the affair,]] the movie never explains what the book did about the range of SS-N-20s or Soviet safeguards against rogue launch.

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* ANuclearError: [[RuleOfDrama In order to heighten tensions and give a deadline for the affair,]] affair]], the movie never explains what the book did about the range of SS-N-20s or Soviet safeguards against rogue launch.



-->'''Melekhin''': ''[in Russian, a few moments after Ryan lights up]'' He's turning green!

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-->'''Melekhin''': ''[in [''in Russian, a few moments after Ryan lights up]'' up''] He's turning green!



** Subverted. Tupolev's second officer, when he finds out [[spoiler: that their torpedo is now going to hit them instead]], he doesn't freak out, but simply points out to his captain how much of an arse he had been.

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** Subverted. Tupolev's second officer, when he finds out [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that their torpedo is now going to hit them instead]], he doesn't instead]],doesn't freak out, but simply points out to his captain how much of an arse he had been.



* OldMaster: Captain Ramius's nickname? The Vilnius Schoolmaster. He trained many of the Soviet navy's sub skippers, including Tupolev.

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** During the "torpedo chase through the canyon" sequence, Kamarov has an unspoken one when he fumbles his marker as he's marking them moving off the plotted course through the canyon and counting the seconds past their regular point of turning.
* OldMaster: Captain Ramius's nickname? The Vilnius Schoolmaster. "Vilnius Schoolmaster." He trained many of the Soviet navy's sub skippers, including Tupolev.



-->'''Jack Ryan:''' Son of a ''BITCH!''\\
'''Jeffrey Pelt:''' [[DeadpanSnarker Do you have something you'd like to add to our]] ''[[SarcasmMode discussion]]'', [[DeadPanSnarker Doctor Ryan?]]

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-->'''Jack Ryan:''' Son of a ''BITCH!''\\
''BITCH!'' (''slaps his hand down on the table, which brings the conversation to a stop'')\\
'''Jeffrey Pelt:''' *{{beat}}* [[DeadpanSnarker Do you have something you'd like to add to our]] ''[[SarcasmMode discussion]]'', [[DeadPanSnarker Doctor Ryan?]]



* RousingSpeech: At the start of the mission, Captain Ramius delivers a one so magnificent that it prompts the sailors to chant the national anthem. It's rife with BadassBoast, talking about how they'd slip in past the SOSUS sonar network, listen to commercial radio broadcasts from New York City, and conduct missile drills off the American coast before sailing on to Cuba.

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* RousingSpeech: At the start of the mission, Captain Ramius delivers a one so magnificent that it prompts the sailors to chant the national anthem. It's rife with BadassBoast, talking about how they'd slip in past the SOSUS sonar network, listen to commercial radio broadcasts from New York City, and conduct missile drills off the American coast before sailing on to Cuba.



* SelfDisposingVillain: [[spoiler: Tupolev.]]

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* SelfDisposingVillain: [[spoiler: Tupolev.]][[spoiler:Tupolev]] is killed by having his attack turned on him.



** Also the eardrums of ''Red October'''s sonar officer (in the book, he doesn't remove his headset in time during one of the torpedo explosions and winds up temporarily deafened.)

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** Also the The eardrums of ''Red October'''s sonar officer (in the book, he doesn't remove his headset in time during one of the torpedo explosions and winds up temporarily deafened.)



-->'''Ramius''': "I miss the peace of fishing like when I was a boy. Forty years I've been at sea. A war at sea. A war with no battles, no monuments... only casualties. I widowed her the day I married her. My wife died while I was at sea, you know."

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-->'''Ramius''': "I I miss the peace of fishing like when I was a boy. Forty years I've been at sea. A war at sea. A war with no battles, no monuments... only casualties. I widowed her the day I married her. My wife died while I was at sea, you know."



** When Ramius reveals he [[spoiler: told Russian fleet command that they're defecting.]] Even Borodin, who respects Ramius greatly and waits until the others leave to voice his own objection, is shocked.
-->'''Kamarov:''' In the name of god, ''why?''\\
'''Ramius:''' When he reached the new world, Cortez burned his ships. As a result, his men were well-motivated.\\

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** When Ramius reveals he [[spoiler: told [[spoiler:told Russian fleet command that they're defecting.]] defecting]]. Even Borodin, who respects Ramius greatly and waits until the others leave to voice his own objection, is shocked.
-->'''Kamarov:''' In the name of god, God, ''why?''\\
'''Ramius:''' When he reached the new world, Cortez burned his ships. As a result, his men were well-motivated.well motivated.\\






-->'''''Right full rudder!'''''

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-->'''''Right full rudder!'''''-->'''''Crazy Ivan!'''''

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22nd Mar '16 4:53:43 AM StarTropes
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* AndImTheQueenOfSheba:
--> '''Seaman Jones:''' COB, we don't have time for fish stories, okay? I was right in the middle of teaching Seaman Beaumont here the intricacies of modern sonar--\\
'''COB:''' Yeah, and I ain't Chief of the Boat. I'm actually Sheena, Queen of the Jungle.
21st Feb '16 2:49:23 PM demonfiren
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** Ryans expression when he finds out that ''Red October'' was spotted by a satellite leaving the Polijarny Inlet, two days after he found out of its ''existence''.

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** Ryans Ryan's expression when he finds out that ''Red October'' was spotted by a satellite leaving the Polijarny Inlet, two days after he found out of its ''existence''.
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