History Film / TheBadAndTheBeautiful

17th Jun '16 8:41:30 AM JulianLapostat
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:[[invoked]] A famous one from von Ellstein to Shields:
--> '''Shields''': You call that directing?\\
'''Von Ellstein''': That is what I've been calling it for thirty-two years.\\
'''Shields''': Why, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot there are values and dimensions in that scene you haven't begun to hit]].\\
'''Von Ellstein''': [[IntendedAudienceReaction Dare say not the values and dimensions I wish to hit]]. I could make this scene a climax. I could make every scene in this picture a climax. If I did, I would be a bad director. And I like to think of myself as one of the best. A picture with all climaxes is like a necklace without a string. It falls apart. You must build to the big moment and sometimes, you must build slowly. You see this picture one way, and I another. [[WagTheDirector It will be done your way]], but [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules not by me, and not by any other director who respects himself]]. You know what you must do, Mr. Shields, so that you'll have it exactly as you want it? You must direct this picture yourself. To direct a picture, a man needs humility. Do you have humility, Mr. Shields?
17th Jun '16 1:18:57 AM Aquila89
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* AmbiguousEnding: The three main characters reject Shields's offer, but when eavesdropping on a call between Shields and Pebbel they seem to show some interest, but the film ends before we know if they change their minds.

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* AmbiguousEnding: The three main characters reject Shields's offer, but when eavesdropping on a call between Shields and Pebbel they seem to show some interest, but the interest. The film ends before we know if they change their minds.
12th Jun '16 9:45:00 PM gallium
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* BreakingTheFourthWall: After the disastrous screening of Shields's movie, he rants about how he's going to shelve the picture because he failed. After he and Bartlow are [[DrowningMySorrows drowning their sorrows]] in his office, Shields sarcastically notes, "I just played my big scene in there, 'the great man fails.'" Which of course is exactly what Kirk Douglas just did.


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* TheMagicPokerEquation: Discussed and lampshaded. Another player at the poker table tells Harry, "Now I've got a full house. You can't have four of a kind. That could never happen, not even in one of your B-pictures." He's disgusted when Harry reveals he actually does have four of a kind.


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* MustacheVandalism: When the trio arrives at the Shields lot, Georgia draws a goofy mustache on the logo at the front gate. It's later revealed to be a CallBack to when Shields drew a mustache on a picture of her father in an effort to snap her out of her grief and self-pity.
12th Jun '16 9:31:55 PM gallium
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* {{Expy}} As a roman-a-clef of Hollywood:
** Jonathan Shields is a parody of many "hands-on" Hollywood producers such as David O. Selznick with aspects of Creator/ValLewton and Irving G. Thalberg added into the mix.
** Director Barry Sullivan's arc doesn't resemble anyone in particular but has similarities to directors Jacques Tourneur (a BMovie director whose A Movies were not successful and who worked with Val Lewton) and Creator/RobertWise. The writer James Lee Bartlow is modelled on Raymond Chandler and William Faulkner, novelists who worked as screenwriters and who had tense relationships with the business.
** The English film-maker Henry Whitfield is one for Creator/AlfredHitchcock (complete with a stand-in for his wife Alma Reville), he's played by Leo J. Carroll, an actor who appeared in many Hitchcock movies. The ersatz-emigre director Von Ellstein has a name similar to Creator/ErichVonStroheim and Creator/JosefVonSternberg, but his amiable and professional personality is closer to the likes of Robert Siodmak and Max Ophuls.


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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: As a roman-a-clef of Hollywood:
** Jonathan Shields is a parody of many "hands-on" Hollywood producers such as David O. Selznick with aspects of Creator/ValLewton and Irving G. Thalberg added into the mix.
** Director Barry Sullivan's arc doesn't resemble anyone in particular but has similarities to directors Jacques Tourneur (a BMovie director whose A Movies were not successful and who worked with Val Lewton) and Creator/RobertWise. The writer James Lee Bartlow is thought to be modeled on Paul Green, a UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning playwright turned Hollywood screenwriter.
** The English film-maker Henry Whitfield is one for Creator/AlfredHitchcock (complete with a stand-in for his wife Alma Reville), he's played by Leo J. Carroll, an actor who appeared in many Hitchcock movies. The ersatz-emigre director Von Ellstein has a name similar to Creator/ErichVonStroheim and Creator/JosefVonSternberg, but his amiable and professional personality is closer to the likes of Robert Siodmak and Max Ophuls.
** Georgia Lorrison is based on Diana Barrymore, the alcoholic daughter of alcoholic Shakespearean actor and matinee idol John Barrymore.
** Gilbert Roland ("Gaucho") is parodying himself, having starred as The Cisco Kid in a string of B-movies.
12th Jun '16 9:18:23 PM gallium
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* AmbiguousEnding: [[spoiler:The three main characters reject Shields's offer, but when eavesdropping on a call between Shields and Pebbel they seem to show some interest, but the film ends before we know if they change their minds.]]

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* AmbiguousEnding: [[spoiler:The The three main characters reject Shields's offer, but when eavesdropping on a call between Shields and Pebbel they seem to show some interest, but the film ends before we know if they change their minds.]]



* CreditsMontage: The end credits show short clips of all major characters along with the actors' names.



* MuseAbuse: Shields does this to all his collaborators and even does it on behalf of them. Pebbel notes in the end [[spoiler:that Shields' manipulation of their lives and their resentment at their treatment at his hands actually made all of them better artists]].

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* MuseAbuse: Shields does this to all his collaborators and even does it on behalf of them. Pebbel notes in the end [[spoiler:that that Shields' manipulation of their lives and their resentment at their treatment at his hands actually made all of them better artists]].artists.


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* VideoCredits: The end credits show short clips of all major characters along with the actors' names.
13th May '16 9:11:15 AM eroock
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* RevengeOfTheSequel / TheXOfY: In-universe example. One of Jonathan and Fred's assignments is to shoot a b-movie sequel called "The Son of the Cat Men". Disgusted with that idea, Fred suggests doing ''The Faraway Mountain'' instead which goes on to win Jonathan his first Oscar.

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* RevengeOfTheSequel / TheXOfY: In-universe example. One of Jonathan and Fred's assignments is to shoot a b-movie BMovie sequel called "The Son of the Cat Men". Disgusted with that idea, Fred suggests doing ''The Faraway Mountain'' instead which goes on to win Jonathan his first Oscar.
24th Apr '16 7:19:47 AM JulianLapostat
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* ManipulativeBastard: Shields is this to everyone. At the end of the film, it's even justified by Pebbel who points out these manipulations ultimately contributed to a few good films, and some bad ones and didn't adversely affect their careers as much as his ex-collaborators would like to believe.



* ShoutOut: The BMovie made by Shields and Sullivan is one to Creator/ValLewton's films, being a transparent stand in for Film/CatPeople. The scene where Shields says that they'll invoke NothingIsScarier by using shadows and light is a homage to the projection room sequence in ''Film/CitizenKane''.

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* ShoutOut: The BMovie made by Shields and Sullivan is one to Creator/ValLewton's films, being a transparent stand in for Film/CatPeople. The scene where Shields says that they'll invoke NothingIsScarier by using shadows and light is a homage to the projection room sequence in ''Film/CitizenKane''. Likewise, the film's multiple-narrator and flashback story, and rise-and-fall take on an AntiHero who ruins his relationsips is very much InTheStyleOf that film.
24th Apr '16 7:11:14 AM JulianLapostat
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* {{Expy}} As a roman-a-clef of Hollywood:
** Jonathan Shields is a parody of many "hands-on" Hollywood producers such as David O. Selznick with aspects of Creator/ValLewton and Irving G. Thalberg added into the mix.
** Director Barry Sullivan's arc doesn't resemble anyone in particular but has similarities to directors Jacques Tourneur (a BMovie director whose A Movies were not successful and who worked with Val Lewton) and Creator/RobertWise. The writer James Lee Bartlow is modelled on Raymond Chandler and William Faulkner, novelists who worked as screenwriters and who had tense relationships with the business.
** The English film-maker Henry Whitfield is one for Creator/AlfredHitchcock (complete with a stand-in for his wife Alma Reville), he's played by Leo J. Carroll, an actor who appeared in many Hitchcock movies. The ersatz-emigre director Von Ellstein has a name similar to Creator/ErichVonStroheim and Creator/JosefVonSternberg, but his amiable and professional personality is closer to the likes of Robert Siodmak and Max Ophuls.



* HorribleHollywood: The film takes place in the movie business for all the protagonists.

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* HorribleHollywood: The film takes place in the movie business for all the protagonists.protagonists, and its a very cynical and pessimistic portrayal of the sleaziness of the movie business.


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* MuseAbuse: Shields does this to all his collaborators and even does it on behalf of them. Pebbel notes in the end [[spoiler:that Shields' manipulation of their lives and their resentment at their treatment at his hands actually made all of them better artists]].


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* ShoutOut: The BMovie made by Shields and Sullivan is one to Creator/ValLewton's films, being a transparent stand in for Film/CatPeople. The scene where Shields says that they'll invoke NothingIsScarier by using shadows and light is a homage to the projection room sequence in ''Film/CitizenKane''.
24th Apr '16 5:34:13 AM Mdumas43073
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Jonathan Shields (Creator/KirkDouglas) used to be a great studio mogul in Hollywood, but his perfectionism has practically bankrupted his studio. He calls three former associates, UsefulNotes/AcademyAward winning director Fred Amiel (Barry Sullivan), blockbuster actress Georgia Lorrison (Creator/LanaTurner), and novelist-turned-screenwriter James Lee Bartlow (Creator/DickPowell), to help him with a film that could save his studio.

Except his need for perfectionism also caused him to betray each of these three associates, so they want nothing to do with him. The studio's former head, Harry Pebbel (Creator/WalterPidgeon), pleads for them to help, and the film plays out with each of the three recalling their time with Shields.

The film is one of the "Hollywood on Hollywood" genre, and is part of the library of congress. It is also a mix and match of real people in the business, almost bordering on RomanAClef.

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Jonathan Shields (Creator/KirkDouglas) used to be a great studio mogul in Hollywood, but his perfectionism has practically bankrupted his studio. He calls three former associates, UsefulNotes/AcademyAward winning director Fred Amiel (Barry Sullivan), blockbuster actress Georgia Lorrison (Creator/LanaTurner), (Lana Turner), and novelist-turned-screenwriter James Lee Bartlow (Creator/DickPowell), (Dick Powell), to help him with a film that could save his studio.

Except his need for perfectionism also caused him to betray each of these three associates, so they want nothing to do with him. The studio's former head, Harry Pebbel (Creator/WalterPidgeon), (Walter Pidgeon), pleads for them to help, and the film plays out with each of the three recalling their time with Shields.

The film Directed by Creator/VincenteMinnelli, this 1952 drama is one of a key entry in the "Hollywood on Hollywood" genre, and is part of the library Library of congress. Congress. It is also a mix and match of real people in the business, almost bordering on RomanAClef.RomanAClef.
21st Apr '16 3:34:45 PM eroock
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* HangingOurClothesToDry: After dropping her into the pool, Jonathan makes Georgia's clothes dry by the fireplace of his apartment.

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* HangingOurClothesToDry: After dropping her into the swimming pool, Jonathan makes Georgia's clothes dry by the fireplace of his apartment.



* WaterWakeup: The hilarious moment when Jonathan carries drunken Georgia out of her apartment and drops her unexpectedly into the pool to help her sober up.

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* WaterWakeup: The hilarious moment when Jonathan carries drunken Georgia out of her apartment and drops her unexpectedly into the swimming pool to help her sober up.
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