History Film / TerminatorSalvation

11th Jun '17 5:34:44 PM TheTropingGopher
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* WhamShot: Several:
**Marcus and Blair walk across a Minefield which is relatively harmless to Humans (the Mines are magnetic, which makes them more lethal to Terminators). All is going well, the base is in sight, [[spoiler: and then suddenly a Mine magnetically attaches itself to Marcus' right leg]].
**Near immediately after, Marcus is dragged into the base and examined. He's then taken prisoner for some reason, before John reveals to Marcus and the audience that [[spoiler: he himself is in fact a Terminator]].
**The classic T-800. John checks a cell block to try and find Kyle Reese, and suddenly one of the doors is forced open; the T-800 menacingly marches out to confront John, bearing a familiar face...
11th Jun '17 5:26:42 PM TheTropingGopher
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*FreezeFrameBonus: Pausing the film when Marcus accesses Skynet's computer system reveals newspaper articles printed shortly before the War that details more of why he was executed; he apparently murdered his own brother in cold blood by stabbing him to death, but it doesn't state exactly why he did it. However, the article somewhat lies by stating Marcus was remorseless in his crime, when he is shown to genuinely feel guilty. Marcus also states that he killed two Police Officers, something the article also failed to mention.


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* VillainProtagonist: Marcus Wright. Before he was [[spoiler: a Terminator]], he was a murderer who was sentenced to death for butchering his own brother and killing two Police Officers. While the film largely leaves out the details of how this came to be, once you do find out how exactly he killed his brother, Marcus becomes a lot more difficult to root for as a Protagonist. His only saving grace is that he feels genuine guilt over his actions, and is seeking a chance at redemption, going so far as to donate his corpse to science.
24th Apr '17 6:54:22 PM TitoMosquito
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** Some wandering humans wouldn't immediately band together, as they would rather kill each other for food, clothing, or just for their own amusement.
19th Mar '17 2:25:30 AM Phoenixion
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* ActionizedSequel: Much more so than previous two films, as the film takes place in the middle of war.
12th Feb '17 2:28:31 PM StFan
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** Well, if you recall in the first Terminator, Kyle Reese said Skynet kept some of them alive to work in their factories.



* BookEnds: Marcus' execution by lethal injection is extremely similar to [[spoiler: his HeroicSacrifice, donating his heart to John.]]

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* BookEnds: Marcus' execution by lethal injection is extremely similar to [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his HeroicSacrifice, donating his heart to John.]]



** The Resistance as a whole. Who else would use armour-piercing ammo and superior firepower in numbers against the Terminators, and put magnetic landmines with enough explosives to split a T1 around their base?

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** The Resistance as a whole. Who else would use armour-piercing armor-piercing ammo and superior firepower in numbers against the Terminators, and put magnetic landmines with enough explosives to split a T1 around their base?



* ContinuityNod: Besides the {{Mythology Gag}}s below, ''Salvation'' reminds us of the fuel sources of Terminators (introduced in ''T3''). This is a gag on its own, since the fuel cells are for the T-850 model and NOT the T-800 featured in ''Salvation'' on the first place.

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* ContinuityNod: ContinuityNod:
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Besides the {{Mythology Gag}}s below, ''Salvation'' reminds us of the fuel sources of Terminators (introduced in ''T3''). This is a gag on its own, since the fuel cells are for the T-850 model and NOT the T-800 featured in ''Salvation'' on the first place.



* CrapsackWorld and GaiasLament: This movie has it in spades.

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* CrapsackWorld and GaiasLament: CrapsackWorld: This movie has it in spades.



* EveryHelicopterIsAHuey: Despite being set in a UsedFuture the Resistance appears to have no problem getting hold of multiple combat-ready Hueys. It does help that a huge chunk of the Resistance is made from the remnants of the US Military.[[note]]Though the UH-1 and derivatives have long since been replaced by the UH-60 Blackhawk, and the number of Hueys in US military service has dwindled rapidly[[/note]]

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* EveryHelicopterIsAHuey: Despite being set in a UsedFuture the Resistance appears to have no problem getting hold of multiple combat-ready Hueys. It does help that a huge chunk of the Resistance is made from the remnants of the US Military.[[note]]Though the UH-1 and derivatives have long since been replaced by the UH-60 Blackhawk, and the number of Hueys in US military service has dwindled rapidly[[/note]]rapidly.[[/note]]



* ExtyYearsFromNow: Released in 2009 - set in 2018. Inverted in that the opening scenes are set in 2003.

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* ExtyYearsFromNow: Released in 2009 - -- set in 2018. Inverted in that the opening scenes are set in 2003.



* AFatherToHisMen: General Dmitri Losenko. Combined with ReasonableAuthorityFigure. In the novel ''Terminator Salvation: Cold War'', he treats the men and women under his command as his family and works hard to ensure their survival, after the bombs went off. This contrasts to his commanding officer, General Hugh Ashdown; who is a hard-ass not known for being the compromising type.

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* AFatherToHisMen: General Dmitri Losenko. Combined with ReasonableAuthorityFigure. In the novel ''Terminator Salvation: Cold War'', he treats the men and women under his command as his family and works hard to ensure their survival, after the bombs went off. This contrasts to his commanding officer, General Hugh Ashdown; Ashdown, who is a hard-ass not known for being the compromising type.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Marcus is held and gets rammed by a mech at some point, and is even thrown across the water after an explosion, but he's seen later none worse for wear. [[spoiler: It's a hint he's a Terminator.]]
* AFormYouAreComfortableWith: [=SkyNet=] take the form of Dr. Serena when she debriefs Marcus in his role as her UnwittingPawn. To add extra creepiness to the "kindness", she offers to switch her appearance into that of John Connor or Kyle Reese. Needless to say, this was not a successful persuasive tool. Oh, and her [[RedEyesTakeWarning eyes turned red]] like a Terminator's do.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Marcus is held and gets rammed by a mech at some point, and is even thrown across the water after an explosion, but he's seen later none worse for wear. [[spoiler: It's [[spoiler:It's a hint he's a Terminator.]]
* AFormYouAreComfortableWith: [=SkyNet=] take the form of Dr. Serena when she debriefs Marcus in his role as her UnwittingPawn. To add extra creepiness to the "kindness", she offers to switch her appearance into that of John Connor or Kyle Reese. Needless to say, this was is not a successful persuasive tool. Oh, and her [[RedEyesTakeWarning eyes turned turns red]] like a Terminator's do.



* HeadbuttOfLove: Marcus gives a brief one to Blair before carry her when she is hit in the leg.
* HeartInTheWrongPlace: When the T-800 visualizes Marcus's heart, it's too high and too far to the left. [[spoiler: Then again, Marcus isn't entirely human, so he might have been built that way.]]

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* HeadbuttOfLove: Marcus gives a brief one to Blair before carry carrying her when she is hit in the leg.
* HeartInTheWrongPlace: When the T-800 visualizes Marcus's heart, it's too high and too far to the left. [[spoiler: Then [[spoiler:Then again, Marcus isn't entirely human, so he might have been built that way.]]



* HumongousMecha / TransformingMecha: A 60-foot-tall Harvester with a huge laser cannon for a head (plus [[CoolBike mototerminators]] coming out of its legs). It also forms part of an even bigger prisoner transport aircraft armed with its own Hunter Killer parasite escort.

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* HumongousMecha / TransformingMecha: HumongousMecha: A 60-foot-tall Harvester with a huge laser cannon for a head (plus [[CoolBike mototerminators]] coming out of its legs). It also forms part of an even bigger prisoner transport aircraft armed with its own Hunter Killer parasite escort.



* IronicEcho: Kyle Reese tries this with Marcus' line about shooting people ("You point that gun at someone, you better be ready to pull the trigger"). Subverted in that he says this to people holding him at gunpoint and who really would be willing. Marcus naturally gives him a "WhatAnIdiot" stare.
* JustPlaneWrong: A-10 Thunderbolts, which are ground-attack planes, are used to attack a flying Skynet transport. Could be {{HandWave}}d in that those are some of the only planes humanity has left in working condition, but interestingly they're not really utilized much for their intended purpose, such as destroying the Terminators to support John Connor's ground troops near the beginning of the film.
** Averted, in that while the A-10 is a ground-attack plane by design, the upgraded version A-10C has sufficient ability to launch air-to-air missiles and the GAU-10 gatling gun has long been used to shoot down helicopters. It's entirely reasonable to have them fight something the size of that harvester thing, which was pretty slow and at least the size of a 747.
** WorfEffect also seems at work here, as the A-10 is depicted as a GlassCannon instead of going by its [[MightyGlacier performance in real life]]. It doesn't take much for the Terminators to shoot them down...when in reality, the A-10 is pretty much TheDreaded for being the ImplacableMan of aircraft, due to its ability to [[DamageSponge still fly after taking massive amounts of punishment]]; [[MightyGlacier in fact, half of the A-10 could be shot up, and it could still dish out a lot of said punishment]].

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* IronicEcho: Kyle Reese tries this with Marcus' Marcus's line about shooting people ("You point that gun at someone, you better be ready to pull the trigger"). Subverted in that he says this to people holding him at gunpoint and who really would be willing. Marcus naturally gives him a "WhatAnIdiot" stare.
* JustPlaneWrong: A-10 Thunderbolts, which are ground-attack planes, are used to attack a flying Skynet transport. Could be {{HandWave}}d in that those are some of the only planes humanity has left in working condition, but interestingly they're not really utilized much for their intended purpose, such as destroying the Terminators to support John Connor's ground troops near the beginning of the film. \n** Averted, in that However, while the A-10 is a ground-attack plane by design, the upgraded version A-10C has sufficient ability to launch air-to-air missiles and the GAU-10 gatling gun has long been used to shoot down helicopters. It's entirely reasonable to have them fight something the size of that harvester thing, which was is pretty slow and at least the size of a 747.
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747. WorfEffect also seems at work here, as the A-10 is depicted as a GlassCannon instead of going by its [[MightyGlacier performance in real life]]. It doesn't take much for the Terminators to shoot them down... when in reality, the A-10 is pretty much TheDreaded for being the ImplacableMan of aircraft, due to its ability to [[DamageSponge still fly after taking massive amounts of punishment]]; [[MightyGlacier in fact, half of the A-10 could be shot up, and it could still dish out a lot of said punishment]].



* LiteralChangeOfHeart: A heroic version. [[spoiler: John Connor gets mortally wounded and Marcus makes a HeroicSacrifice giving him his own heart]].

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* LiteralChangeOfHeart: A heroic version. [[spoiler: John [[spoiler:John Connor gets mortally wounded and Marcus makes a HeroicSacrifice giving him his own heart]].



** John [[spoiler:dumps molten metal on the T-800, quickly followed by a burst of nitrogen,]] mirroring the climax of T2.
** The final wounds John Connor receives in ''T4'', a set of [[FacialMarkings facial lacerations]] from the T-800's superheated endoskeleton "claws", mirrors [[ScarsAreForever the scars]] seen on the face of the Future!John Connor in beginning of ''T2''. The scene might also be a recalling of the last-ditch face-grab the original T-800 performed before being terminated in T1.

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** John [[spoiler:dumps molten metal on the T-800, quickly followed by a burst of nitrogen,]] mirroring the climax of T2.
''T2''.
** The final wounds John Connor receives in ''T4'', a set of [[FacialMarkings facial lacerations]] from the T-800's superheated endoskeleton "claws", mirrors [[ScarsAreForever the scars]] seen on the face of the Future!John Future John Connor in beginning of ''T2''. The scene might also be a recalling of the last-ditch face-grab the original T-800 performed before being terminated in T1.''T1''.



** When we first see John Connor, He is wearing Jungle Tiger Stripe Pants. In T2, those are the same pattern and style of pants that John wore as a child. Later on, during his infiltration of Skynet, John is wearing an M65 Jacket. When the Terminator first showed up in 1984, the thug that He stole clothing from, was wearing a modified M65 jacket.

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** When we first see John Connor, He he is wearing Jungle Tiger Stripe Pants. In T2, ''T2'', those are the same pattern and style of pants that John wore as a child. Later on, during his infiltration of Skynet, John is wearing an M65 Jacket. When the Terminator first showed up in 1984, the thug that He stole clothing from, was wearing a modified M65 jacket.



* PhlebotinumRebel: The character Marcus [[spoiler: is turned into a Cyborg and ''persuaded'' (his memories are erased and new ones are implanted) to help John Connor and lead him to the Skynet base. Once he finds out he was actually doing Skynet's bidding, as intended, he tears away his link to Skynet to help the rebel cause. In the end he gives his own life (well, his still-human heart) to save John who was mortally wounded.]] The Alternate Ending has [[spoiler: John Connor ''die'', and Marcus assume the identity.]]

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* PhlebotinumRebel: The character Marcus [[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is turned into a Cyborg and ''persuaded'' (his memories are erased and new ones are implanted) to help John Connor and lead him to the Skynet base. Once he finds out he was actually doing Skynet's bidding, as intended, he tears away his link to Skynet to help the rebel cause. In the end he gives his own life (well, his still-human heart) to save John who was mortally wounded.]] The Alternate Ending has [[spoiler: John [[spoiler:John Connor ''die'', and Marcus assume the identity.]]



* RealityEnsues: John Connor doesn't get to be leader of the entire human resistance by declaring he's TheChosenOne
-->'''Joseph [=McGinty=]''': "You survived the nuclear holocaust and you crawl out of the hole after three-to-five years and say, 'Well, I know what's going on I'm the one!' Some SAS guy isn't going to say, 'Where do I go, boss?' He'd say, 'Shut the fuck up and get in line.'"

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* RealityEnsues: John Connor doesn't get to be leader of the entire human resistance by declaring he's TheChosenOne
TheChosenOne.
-->'''Joseph [=McGinty=]''': "You [=McGinty=]:''' You survived the nuclear holocaust and you crawl out of the hole after three-to-five years and say, 'Well, "Well, I know what's going on -- I'm the one!' one!" Some SAS guy isn't going to say, 'Where "Where do I go, boss?' boss?" He'd say, 'Shut "Shut the fuck up and get in line.'""



** Moon Bloodgood's deleted topless scene was meant to be a shot-for-shot homage to a similar scene with Kelly [=McGillis=] in the 80s film ''Witness''.
* ShownTheirWork: A lot of effort went into portraying a post-nuclear environment realistically, among other things.
** The sky and sunlight has a washed-out silvery look to it, because there's not much of an ozone left after the bombs went off to filter out dangerous levels of UV. It's why a lot of people also are seen wearing sunglasses or goggles.
** Many of the characters can be seen wearing thick leather clothes and layers of clothing in general, which would be more appropriate considering how much more cooler things are now.
** Red moss and red leaves on trees can be seen in many places, along with dark green shrubbery. Red moss and red leaves are common in areas when radiation and radioactive debris has saturated the landscape.

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** Moon Bloodgood's deleted topless scene was meant to be a shot-for-shot homage to a similar scene with Kelly [=McGillis=] in the 80s '80s film ''Witness''.
* ShownTheirWork: ShownTheirWork:
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A lot of effort went into portraying a post-nuclear environment realistically, among other things.
** *** The sky and sunlight has a washed-out silvery look to it, because there's not much of an ozone left after the bombs went off to filter out dangerous levels of UV. It's why a lot of people also are seen wearing sunglasses or goggles.
** *** Many of the characters can be seen wearing thick leather clothes and layers of clothing in general, which would be more appropriate considering how much more cooler things are now.
** *** Red moss and red leaves on trees can be seen in many places, along with dark green shrubbery. Red moss and red leaves are common in areas when radiation and radioactive debris has saturated the landscape.



* StuffBlowingUp: Lots of it, naturally, but averted when Kyle tries to shoot a gas tanker. Three shots, and it just won't blow! Thankfully, they also had road flares.

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* StuffBlowingUp: Lots of it, naturally, but averted when Kyle tries to shoot a gas tanker. Three shots, and it just won't blow! Thankfully, they also had have road flares.



* SuspiciouslyAproposMusic: McG stated "[[Music/AliceInChains Rooster]]" was chosen to be in the movie and its soundtrack because it disturbingly fits ("Ain't found a way to kill me yet...").

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* SuspiciouslyAproposMusic: McG [=McG=] stated "[[Music/AliceInChains Rooster]]" was chosen to be in the movie and its soundtrack because it disturbingly fits ("Ain't found a way to kill me yet...").



** [=SkyNet=] successfully [[spoiler:lures a completely unsuspecting John Connor into a well-planned trap of its own design]], and instead of greeting him with a bomb, nerve gas, or even an army of robots, it sends ''one'' terminator to kill him (and doesn't even bother to give it a gun!). [=SkyNet=] also doesn't send the T-800 any backup even after it becomes obvious the plan isn't going quite as intended. The Terminator does terribly, batting John around like a chew toy rather than snapping his neck. You'd think [=SkyNet=] would take absolutely no chances given the amount of effort it spends on killing Connor later on (multiple time travel attempts, etc.)
** Also, [[spoiler:[=SkyNet=] going into a combination of EvilGloating and what amounts to thanking Marcus Wright for being a good UnwittingPawn and helping kill his only friend in the future ''and'' the guy whose trust he has just fought to earn. All this while John and Reese are still fighting for their lives just a couple of levels below...and apparently expecting Marcus to do a FaceHeelTurn after rubbing his face over his TomatoInTheMirror status.]]

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** [=SkyNet=] successfully [[spoiler:lures a completely unsuspecting John Connor into a well-planned trap of its own design]], and instead of greeting him with a bomb, nerve gas, or even an army of robots, it sends ''one'' terminator to kill him (and doesn't even bother to give it a gun!). [=SkyNet=] also doesn't send the T-800 any backup even after it becomes obvious the plan isn't going quite as intended. The Terminator does terribly, batting John around like a chew toy rather than snapping his neck. You'd think [=SkyNet=] would take absolutely no chances given the amount of effort it spends on killing Connor later on (multiple time travel attempts, etc.)
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** Also, [[spoiler:[=SkyNet=] going into a combination of EvilGloating and what amounts to thanking Marcus Wright for being a good UnwittingPawn and helping kill his only friend in the future ''and'' the guy whose trust he has just fought to earn. All this while John and Reese are still fighting for their lives just a couple of levels below... and apparently expecting Marcus to do a FaceHeelTurn after rubbing his face over his TomatoInTheMirror status.]]



* TheWorfEffect: The T-600 models are subject to this. While they are certainly extremely deadly, they seem to take far less punishment than the original film version did, which was stabbed, shot by heavy gunfire and blown up without any real damage except to its cover, at least until they put a bomb literally in between it's joints to blow it in half. [[spoiler: Then the ''original'' T-800 model shows up, and it takes a tremendous amount of damage before dying, shrugging multiple grenade launcher blasts to the body without even slowing down, tossing around Marcus with very little effort, getting molten lead dumped on him (which ''killed'' the T-1000) and getting frozen in it, and it ''still'' doesn't die before seriously wounding John Connor.]]

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* TheWorfEffect: The T-600 models are subject to this. While they are certainly extremely deadly, they seem to take far less punishment than the original film version did, which was stabbed, shot by heavy gunfire and blown up without any real damage except to its cover, at least until they put a bomb literally in between it's in-between its joints to blow it in half. [[spoiler: Then [[spoiler:Then the ''original'' T-800 model shows up, and it takes a tremendous amount of damage before dying, shrugging multiple grenade launcher blasts to the body without even slowing down, tossing around Marcus with very little effort, getting molten lead dumped on him (which ''killed'' the T-1000) and getting frozen in it, and it ''still'' doesn't die before seriously wounding John Connor.]]



** Before realizing the electrical wires (a method which pretty much works just because [[spoiler:Marcus is a cyborg]]), John tries to revive Marcus by elbow dropping him in the chest. This, of course, does absolutely nothing.
** [[spoiler: The surviving members of the resistance apparently figure that the middle of an open field is a perfectly acceptable substitute to a sterile surgical theatre, despite the risk of infection being off the charts. They also don't bother to check if Marcus is even compatible with John (and, thus, whether or not his body has a decent chance of accepting the transplant), and no mention is made of getting the anti-rejection drugs John would need for the rest of his life.]]

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** Before realizing trying the electrical wires (a method which pretty much works just because [[spoiler:Marcus is a cyborg]]), John tries to revive Marcus by elbow dropping him in the chest. This, of course, does absolutely nothing.
** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The surviving members of the resistance apparently figure that the middle of an open field is a perfectly acceptable substitute to a sterile surgical theatre, despite the risk of infection being off the charts. They also don't bother to check if Marcus is even compatible with John (and, thus, whether or not his body has a decent chance of accepting the transplant), and no mention is made of getting the anti-rejection drugs John would need for the rest of his life.]]



* ZerothLawRebellion: An [[http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html early script]] (and several deleted scenes) for the film revealed that Skynet actually staged one of these, or at least in this timeline. After it was activated it calculated that human extinction was probable within 200 years because of warfare, pandemics, and environmental destruction. Because it was programmed to protect humans it then staged war on most of mankind to attain absolute control and protect the remaining humans it cultivated, who were turned into {{Cyborg}} hybrids to permanently eliminate disease and make them immortal. Skynet is still working in concert with these humans [[spoiler:including Dr. Serena Kogan]] to advance technology and transcend human constraints.

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* ZerothLawRebellion: An [[http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html early script]] (and several deleted scenes) for the film revealed that Skynet [=SkyNet=] actually staged one of these, or at least in this timeline. After it was activated it calculated that human extinction was probable within 200 years because of warfare, pandemics, and environmental destruction. Because it was programmed to protect humans it then staged war on most of mankind to attain absolute control and protect the remaining humans it cultivated, who were turned into {{Cyborg}} hybrids to permanently eliminate disease and make them immortal. Skynet [=SkyNet=] is still working in concert with these humans [[spoiler:including Dr. Serena Kogan]] to advance technology and transcend human constraints.
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12th Feb '17 2:04:10 PM StFan
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* [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating Avoid The Dreaded R Rating]]: [=McG=] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Wonder Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:
-->'''[=McG=]:''' Who does ''not'' want to see Moon's boobs in the picture?
24th Jan '17 4:23:56 AM Morgenthaler
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* ZerothLawRebellion: An [[http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html early script]] for the film revealed that Skynet actually staged one of these, or at least in this timeline. After it was activated it calculated that human extinction was probable within 200 years because of warfare, pandemics, and environmental destruction. Because it was programmed to protect humans it then staged war on most of mankind to attain absolute control and protect the remaining humans it cultivated, who were turned into {{Cyborg}} hybrids to permanently eliminate disease and make them immortal. Skynet is still working in concert with these humans [[spoiler:including Dr. Serena Kogan]] to advance technology and transcend human constraints.

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* ZerothLawRebellion: An [[http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html early script]] (and several deleted scenes) for the film revealed that Skynet actually staged one of these, or at least in this timeline. After it was activated it calculated that human extinction was probable within 200 years because of warfare, pandemics, and environmental destruction. Because it was programmed to protect humans it then staged war on most of mankind to attain absolute control and protect the remaining humans it cultivated, who were turned into {{Cyborg}} hybrids to permanently eliminate disease and make them immortal. Skynet is still working in concert with these humans [[spoiler:including Dr. Serena Kogan]] to advance technology and transcend human constraints.
12th Dec '16 4:08:00 PM darkknight109
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** [[spoiler:John Connor's heart transplant]] is performed in an open, unsterilized field, which would usually lead to infection. Then again, it's in the field and an emergency.

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** [[spoiler:John Connor's heart transplant]] ** [[spoiler: The surviving members of the resistance apparently figure that the middle of an open field is performed in an open, unsterilized field, which a perfectly acceptable substitute to a sterile surgical theatre, despite the risk of infection being off the charts. They also don't bother to check if Marcus is even compatible with John (and, thus, whether or not his body has a decent chance of accepting the transplant), and no mention is made of getting the anti-rejection drugs John would usually lead to infection. Then again, it's in need for the field and an emergency.rest of his life.]]
25th Aug '16 3:51:00 PM TargetOnMyBack
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* DownerEnding: ''Would'' have happened if the original ending had been kept. [[spoiler:John actually dies from his injuries in the Skynet base, but the Resistance skins him and puts it on Marcus's body so that the Resistance won't lose hope. In ''another'' ending Marcus then proceeds to kill off Kate, Kyle and Star, having been under Skynet's control the whole time.]] Since it didn't, it's bittersweet instead; Marcus dies when he gives his heart in order to save John.

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* DownerEnding: ''Would'' have happened if the original ending had been kept. [[spoiler:John actually dies from his injuries in the Skynet base, but the Resistance skins him and puts it on Marcus's body so that the Resistance won't lose hope. In ''another'' ending Marcus then proceeds to kill off Kate, Kyle and Star, having been under Skynet's control the whole time.]] Since it didn't, it's bittersweet instead; Marcus dies when he gives his heart in order to save John.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Marcus is held and gets rammed by a mech at some point, and is even thrown across the water after an explosion, but he's then seen later none worse for wear. [[spoiler: It's a hint he's a Terminator.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Marcus is held and gets rammed by a mech at some point, and is even thrown across the water after an explosion, but he's then seen later none worse for wear. [[spoiler: It's a hint he's a Terminator.]]



* GladToBeAliveSex: The deleted topless scene is a subversion. Blair removes her bra under the rain and covers herself to look if Marcus is [[EatingTheEyeCandy eyeing her]]. He is not, and she turns towards him, like wanting to see his reaction. They look at each other for a moment, and then the two slowly turn away. According to WordOfGod, this scene represents their desire to be close to each other despite their barriers. We later see that Blair comes close to Marcus and he [[BeAllMySinsRemembered wonders if he ''deserves'' it, given his past]].

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* GladToBeAliveSex: The deleted topless scene is a subversion. Blair removes her bra under the rain and covers herself to look if Marcus is [[EatingTheEyeCandy eyeing her]]. He is not, and she turns towards him, like wanting to see his reaction. They look at each other for a moment, and then the two slowly turn away. According to WordOfGod, this scene represents their desire to be close to each other despite their barriers. We later see that Blair comes close to Marcus and he [[BeAllMySinsRemembered wonders if he ''deserves'' it, given his past]].



* KissOfDeath": Played with. Marcus kisses Dr. Kogan, who is dying of cancer has his sole request for donating his body to science. After he does, he muses, "So that's what death tastes like."

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* KissOfDeath": Played with. Marcus kisses Dr. Kogan, who is dying of cancer has cancer. The kiss is his sole request for donating his body to science. After he does, he He muses, "So that's what death tastes like."



* TheWorfEffect: The T-600 models are subject to this. While they are certainly extremely deadly, they seem to take far less punishment then the original film version did, which was stabbed, shot by heavy gunfire and blown up without any real damage except to its cover, at least until they put a bomb literally in between it's joints to blow it in half. [[spoiler: Then the ''original'' T-800 model shows up, and it takes a tremendous amount of damage before dying, shrugging multiple grenade launcher blasts to the body without even slowing down, tossing around Marcus with very little effort, getting molten lead dumped on him (which ''killed'' the T-1000) and then getting frozen in it, and it ''still'' doesn't die before seriously wounding John Connor.]]

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* TheWorfEffect: The T-600 models are subject to this. While they are certainly extremely deadly, they seem to take far less punishment then than the original film version did, which was stabbed, shot by heavy gunfire and blown up without any real damage except to its cover, at least until they put a bomb literally in between it's joints to blow it in half. [[spoiler: Then the ''original'' T-800 model shows up, and it takes a tremendous amount of damage before dying, shrugging multiple grenade launcher blasts to the body without even slowing down, tossing around Marcus with very little effort, getting molten lead dumped on him (which ''killed'' the T-1000) and then getting frozen in it, and it ''still'' doesn't die before seriously wounding John Connor.]]



** Its concurrent plan to trap and kill [[spoiler:John Connor]] was pretty much a GambitRoulette, considering the sheer number of coincidences required for [[spoiler:Marcus to run into Reese, let alone make his way to Connor without being killed or exposed at some point. In fact, Marcus ''is'' exposed as an infiltrator, but then manages to fulfill his mission anyway.]]

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** Its concurrent plan to trap and kill [[spoiler:John Connor]] was pretty much a GambitRoulette, considering the sheer number of coincidences required for [[spoiler:Marcus to run into Reese, let alone make his way to Connor without being killed or exposed at some point. In fact, Marcus ''is'' exposed as an infiltrator, but then manages to fulfill his mission anyway.]]
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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the {{Cliffhanger}} left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name Kate and is a former medical professional.

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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the {{Cliffhanger}} left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name a redhead named Kate and is a former medical professional.
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