History Film / TerminatorSalvation

25th Aug '16 3:51:00 PM TargetOnMyBack
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* DownerEnding: ''Would'' have happened if the original ending had been kept. [[spoiler:John actually dies from his injuries in the Skynet base, but the Resistance skins him and puts it on Marcus's body so that the Resistance won't lose hope. In ''another'' ending Marcus then proceeds to kill off Kate, Kyle and Star, having been under Skynet's control the whole time.]] Since it didn't, it's bittersweet instead; Marcus dies when he gives his heart in order to save John.

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* DownerEnding: ''Would'' have happened if the original ending had been kept. [[spoiler:John actually dies from his injuries in the Skynet base, but the Resistance skins him and puts it on Marcus's body so that the Resistance won't lose hope. In ''another'' ending Marcus then proceeds to kill off Kate, Kyle and Star, having been under Skynet's control the whole time.]] Since it didn't, it's bittersweet instead; Marcus dies when he gives his heart in order to save John.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Marcus is held and gets rammed by a mech at some point, and is even thrown across the water after an explosion, but he's then seen later none worse for wear. [[spoiler: It's a hint he's a Terminator.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Marcus is held and gets rammed by a mech at some point, and is even thrown across the water after an explosion, but he's then seen later none worse for wear. [[spoiler: It's a hint he's a Terminator.]]



* GladToBeAliveSex: The deleted topless scene is a subversion. Blair removes her bra under the rain and covers herself to look if Marcus is [[EatingTheEyeCandy eyeing her]]. He is not, and she turns towards him, like wanting to see his reaction. They look at each other for a moment, and then the two slowly turn away. According to WordOfGod, this scene represents their desire to be close to each other despite their barriers. We later see that Blair comes close to Marcus and he [[BeAllMySinsRemembered wonders if he ''deserves'' it, given his past]].

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* GladToBeAliveSex: The deleted topless scene is a subversion. Blair removes her bra under the rain and covers herself to look if Marcus is [[EatingTheEyeCandy eyeing her]]. He is not, and she turns towards him, like wanting to see his reaction. They look at each other for a moment, and then the two slowly turn away. According to WordOfGod, this scene represents their desire to be close to each other despite their barriers. We later see that Blair comes close to Marcus and he [[BeAllMySinsRemembered wonders if he ''deserves'' it, given his past]].



* KissOfDeath": Played with. Marcus kisses Dr. Kogan, who is dying of cancer has his sole request for donating his body to science. After he does, he muses, "So that's what death tastes like."

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* KissOfDeath": Played with. Marcus kisses Dr. Kogan, who is dying of cancer has cancer. The kiss is his sole request for donating his body to science. After he does, he He muses, "So that's what death tastes like."



* TheWorfEffect: The T-600 models are subject to this. While they are certainly extremely deadly, they seem to take far less punishment then the original film version did, which was stabbed, shot by heavy gunfire and blown up without any real damage except to its cover, at least until they put a bomb literally in between it's joints to blow it in half. [[spoiler: Then the ''original'' T-800 model shows up, and it takes a tremendous amount of damage before dying, shrugging multiple grenade launcher blasts to the body without even slowing down, tossing around Marcus with very little effort, getting molten lead dumped on him (which ''killed'' the T-1000) and then getting frozen in it, and it ''still'' doesn't die before seriously wounding John Connor.]]

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* TheWorfEffect: The T-600 models are subject to this. While they are certainly extremely deadly, they seem to take far less punishment then than the original film version did, which was stabbed, shot by heavy gunfire and blown up without any real damage except to its cover, at least until they put a bomb literally in between it's joints to blow it in half. [[spoiler: Then the ''original'' T-800 model shows up, and it takes a tremendous amount of damage before dying, shrugging multiple grenade launcher blasts to the body without even slowing down, tossing around Marcus with very little effort, getting molten lead dumped on him (which ''killed'' the T-1000) and then getting frozen in it, and it ''still'' doesn't die before seriously wounding John Connor.]]



** Its concurrent plan to trap and kill [[spoiler:John Connor]] was pretty much a GambitRoulette, considering the sheer number of coincidences required for [[spoiler:Marcus to run into Reese, let alone make his way to Connor without being killed or exposed at some point. In fact, Marcus ''is'' exposed as an infiltrator, but then manages to fulfill his mission anyway.]]

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** Its concurrent plan to trap and kill [[spoiler:John Connor]] was pretty much a GambitRoulette, considering the sheer number of coincidences required for [[spoiler:Marcus to run into Reese, let alone make his way to Connor without being killed or exposed at some point. In fact, Marcus ''is'' exposed as an infiltrator, but then manages to fulfill his mission anyway.]]
24th Aug '16 9:54:04 AM KingZeal
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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the {{Cliffhanger}} left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name Kate and is a former medical professional.

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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the {{Cliffhanger}} left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name a redhead named Kate and is a former medical professional.
24th Aug '16 9:52:59 AM KingZeal
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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the CliffhangerEnding left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name Kate and is a former medical professional.

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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the CliffhangerEnding {{Cliffhanger}} left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name Kate and is a former medical professional.
24th Aug '16 9:52:11 AM KingZeal
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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: The film attempts to invoke this trope by making it clear that this isn't the same future we saw in previous ''Terminator'' films, which also has the effect of subverting the ForegoneConclusion of the Human victory over Skynet. The John Connor of ''this'' timeline is finding that his knowledge of the future dwindles with every passing moment and eventually won't have anything but his own wits and determination to fall back on. In ''this'' timeline, Skynet can actually ''win''.



* TheOner: John Connor's first scene.

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* TheOner: John Connor's first scene.scene has him attempting to take off in a helicopter, only to be caught in the EMP blast of a distant nuke. The take off, helicopter death spiral, and crash are all done in a single take with a fixed camera.


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* StealthSequel: This film StoppedNumberingSequels as a direct attempt to market it as a ContinuityReboot, but at the same time didn't want to give up on the CliffhangerEnding left by the previous film. As a result, while the movie can be ''technically'' called a reboot in the sense that it doesn't directly reference any previous film except the first one, there are very subtle nods and hints that it takes place after ''Terminator 3'', such as the fact that the first scene takes place in the early 2000s and Judgment Day hasn't happened yet, and John's wife is name Kate and is a former medical professional.
14th Aug '16 8:10:02 AM AnotherGuy
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* [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating Avoid The Dreaded R Rating]]: [=McG=] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:
-->'''[=McG=]:''' Who wants to see Moon's boobs in the movie?

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* [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating Avoid The Dreaded R Rating]]: [=McG=] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Wonder Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:
-->'''[=McG=]:''' Who wants does ''not'' want to see Moon's boobs in the movie?picture?
14th Aug '16 8:09:20 AM AnotherGuy
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* [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating Avoid The Dreaded R Rating]]: [=McG==] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:

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* [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating Avoid The Dreaded R Rating]]: [=McG==] [=McG=] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:
14th Aug '16 8:09:06 AM AnotherGuy
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* AvoidTheDreadedRRating: [=McG==] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:

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* AvoidTheDreadedRRating: [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating Avoid The Dreaded R Rating]]: [=McG==] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:
14th Aug '16 8:08:13 AM AnotherGuy
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* AvoidTheDreadedRRating: [=McG==] [[https://youtu.be/O-NeJRrgoTY?t=5m37s campaigned]] the Warner Brothers executives to allow the film to have an R rating. At a Comic Con panel, he told audiences to pressure Warner for an R rating:
-->'''[=McG=]:''' Who wants to see Moon's boobs in the movie?
23rd Jul '16 10:36:06 PM Kurogane7
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** WorfEffect also seems at work here, as the A-10 is depicted as a GlassCannon instead of going by its RealLife performance. It doesn't take much for the Terminators to shoot them down...when in reality, the A-10 is pretty much TheDreaded for being the ImplacableMan of aircraft, due to its ability to [[DamageSponge still fly after taking massive amounts of punishment]]; [[MightyGlacier in fact, half of the A-10 could be shot up, and it could still dish out a lot of said punishment]].

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** WorfEffect also seems at work here, as the A-10 is depicted as a GlassCannon instead of going by its RealLife performance.[[MightyGlacier performance in real life]]. It doesn't take much for the Terminators to shoot them down...when in reality, the A-10 is pretty much TheDreaded for being the ImplacableMan of aircraft, due to its ability to [[DamageSponge still fly after taking massive amounts of punishment]]; [[MightyGlacier in fact, half of the A-10 could be shot up, and it could still dish out a lot of said punishment]].
19th Jul '16 1:11:59 AM Kurogane7
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* JustPlaneWrong: A-10 Thunderbolts, which are ground-attack planes, are used to attack a flying skynet transport. Could be {{HandWave}}d in that those are some of the only planes humanity has left in working condition, but interestingly they're not really utilized much for their intended purpose, such as destroying the Terminators to support John Connor's ground troops near the beginning of the film.

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* JustPlaneWrong: A-10 Thunderbolts, which are ground-attack planes, are used to attack a flying skynet Skynet transport. Could be {{HandWave}}d in that those are some of the only planes humanity has left in working condition, but interestingly they're not really utilized much for their intended purpose, such as destroying the Terminators to support John Connor's ground troops near the beginning of the film.


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** WorfEffect also seems at work here, as the A-10 is depicted as a GlassCannon instead of going by its RealLife performance. It doesn't take much for the Terminators to shoot them down...when in reality, the A-10 is pretty much TheDreaded for being the ImplacableMan of aircraft, due to its ability to [[DamageSponge still fly after taking massive amounts of punishment]]; [[MightyGlacier in fact, half of the A-10 could be shot up, and it could still dish out a lot of said punishment]].
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