History Film / StarTrekNemesis

1st Dec '16 1:52:59 PM brianify
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** So to be clear: the series has established that quite a few members of the ''Enterprise'' are geniuses, and they know, by this point, that Shinzon is literally out for Captain Picard's blood. And yet, it doesn't occur to any of them that flying the ship into a gas cloud which prevents them from calling for help is a really, ''really'' bad idea.

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** So to be clear: the series has established that quite a few members of the ''Enterprise'' are geniuses, and they know, by this point, that Shinzon is literally out for Captain Picard's blood. And yet, it doesn't occur to any of them that flying the ship alone into a gas cloud which prevents them from calling for help is a really, ''really'' bad idea.



*** He waits for two days to talk to Picard personally.

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*** He waits for two days to talk to Picard personally.personally, along with other general procrastination ([[spoiler: Due to CloneDegeneration, Shinzon at this point has something like a week to live]]).
*** He unveils his secret flagship, the ''Scimitar'', in a show of strength, not only nullifying the surprise of his trump card but also eventually revealing to Picard that he has a planet-killer weapon.
1st Dec '16 1:32:59 PM brianify
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* GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere: The ''Scimitar''. It breaks suspension of disbelief that the Remans could build, almost literally under the Romulans' noses, a starship custom-designed for their kind (it's noted that the controls are in Reman) and with the equivalent firepower of what has to be at least a few dozen top-of-the-line warships, not to mention its perfect cloak and primary weapon system.

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* GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere: The ''Scimitar''. It breaks suspension of disbelief that the Remans could build, almost literally under the Romulans' noses, noses (whose society's most prominent feature is Big Brother-level surveillance and paranoia), a starship custom-designed for their kind (it's noted that the controls are in Reman) and with the equivalent firepower of what has to be at least a few dozen top-of-the-line warships, not to mention its perfect cloak and primary weapon system.
10th Nov '16 9:27:59 AM Ohio9
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* BondVillainStupidty: "I have you now, Picard. Now I can proceed with the operation to save my life, a short time after I walk away and leave you in a room with one guard. I'm sure nothing will happen during that time."

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* BondVillainStupidty: BondVillainStupidity: "I have you now, Picard. Now I can proceed with the operation to save my life, a short time after I walk away and leave you in a room with one guard. I'm sure nothing will happen during that time."
10th Nov '16 9:27:25 AM Ohio9
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* BondVillainStupidty: "I have you now, Picard. Now I can proceed with the operation to save my life, a short time after I walk away and leave you in a room with one guard. I'm sure nothing will happen during that time."
10th Nov '16 9:14:49 AM Ohio9
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* TheMainCharactersDoEverything: Riker and Worf leave their posts on the bridge during a battle to go shoot it out with the Reman boarding party below decks. Why the ship's senior officers needed to leave their posts in the middle of battle to go do basic grunt work is anyone's guess.
10th Nov '16 9:12:13 AM Ohio9
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* InformedAbility: Shinzon is stated to be a tactical genius and a successful commander. However:
** He waits for two days to talk to Picard personally.
** He leaves the ''Enterprise'' in orbit of Romulus after kidnapping Picard.
** While ambushing ''Enterprise'', he flies unnecessarily close to them, allowing them to hit him despite ''Scimitar's'' cloaking device.
** He orders the ''Scimitar'' to move to port when he sees the ''Enterprise'' proceeding to ram it, rather than moving full reverse. Even if the ''Enterprise'' had inertia on its side, moving back would have softened the blow considerably.

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* InformedAbility: InformedAbility:
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Shinzon is stated to be a tactical genius and a successful commander. However:
** *** He waits for two days to talk to Picard personally.
** *** He leaves the ''Enterprise'' in orbit of Romulus after kidnapping Picard.
** *** While ambushing ''Enterprise'', he flies unnecessarily close to them, allowing them to hit him despite ''Scimitar's'' cloaking device.
** *** He orders the ''Scimitar'' to move to port when he sees the ''Enterprise'' proceeding to ram it, rather than moving full reverse. Even if the ''Enterprise'' had inertia on its side, moving back would have softened the blow considerably.considerably.
** Shinzon says the Remans are "A race bred for war", yet they get slaughtered easily in most of the combat scenes. To be fair, they do slightly better against the generic security team members on the Enterprise. It could be their problem is they constantly go into combat against main characters who are protected by PlotArmor.
8th Nov '16 7:15:37 PM Morgenthaler
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* AuthorAppeal: Primary screenwriter John Logan admits in interviews to being a huge fan of Data and Picard, and Brent Spiner co-wrote, explaining why Data gets a [[spoiler:HeroicSacrifice]] and he and Picard both get {{Long Lost Relative}}s and so much {{Badass}}ery they approach CanonSue status.

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* AuthorAppeal: Primary screenwriter John Logan admits in interviews to being a huge fan of Data and Picard, and Brent Spiner co-wrote, explaining why Data gets a [[spoiler:HeroicSacrifice]] and he and Picard both get {{Long Lost Relative}}s and so much {{Badass}}ery badassery they approach CanonSue status.
25th Oct '16 2:56:41 AM Fireblood
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* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Data, homaging ''Wrath of Khan''.]]

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* HeroicSacrifice: HeroicSuicide: [[spoiler:Data, homaging Spock's {{heroic sacrifice}} in ''Wrath of Khan''.]]
25th Oct '16 2:53:33 AM Fireblood
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** Picard, who has consistently been depicted as being willing to lay down his life before violating the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]], happily takes part in a car chase on a pre-industrial world. He's also violated it just about as much as Kirk did, but not never so whimsically and randomly.

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** Picard, who has consistently been depicted as being willing to lay down his life before violating the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]], happily takes part in a car chase on a pre-industrial world. He's also violated it just about as much as Kirk did, but not never so whimsically and randomly.



* StatusQuoIsGod: Despite leaving Starfleet in the finale of ''Deep Space Nine'', Worf is back in his old position of tactical/security officer on the ''Enterprise'' without so much as a line of dialogue to explain it. In the other movies he didn't belong in, we got an explanation (In ''The Undiscovered Country,'' the TOS era ''Colonel'' Worf is the guy TNG's Worf is an IdenticalGrandson of. In ''First Contact,'' the crew of the damaged Defiant was beamed onto the Enterprise. In ''Insurrection,'' he was asked what he was doing there but the action cuts away before he answers; we're given a humorous UnReveal but the fact that he's stationed elsewhere a reason why he dropped by ''this'' time exists in-universe. Here? He's just there, in full uniform from the start, manning his old station like it's still his station. Not even a HandWave, or events that make a FanWank easy.

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* StatusQuoIsGod: Despite leaving Starfleet in the finale of ''Deep Space Nine'', Worf is back in his old position of tactical/security officer on the ''Enterprise'' without so much as a line of dialogue to explain it. In the other movies he didn't belong in, we got an explanation (In (in ''The Undiscovered Country,'' the TOS era ''Colonel'' Worf is the guy TNG's Worf is an IdenticalGrandson of. In ''First Contact,'' the crew of the damaged Defiant was beamed onto the Enterprise. In ''Insurrection,'' he was asked what he was doing there but the action cuts away before he answers; we're given a humorous UnReveal but the fact that he's stationed elsewhere and a reason why he dropped by ''this'' time exists in-universe. Here? He's just there, in full uniform from the start, manning his old station like it's still his station. Not even a HandWave, or events that make a FanWank easy.



* {{Transsexual}}: Data makes a brief reference to "invited transgendered species" early on in the movie, the franchise's first reference to transexuality. However, the word was [[YouKeepUsingThatWord badly misused]]. Instead of having anything to do with a person whose gender identity and physical sex do not match, it was added onto "Ladies and Gentlemen," meaning it referred to races whose physical sexes are not the same as humans.' [[note]]If ''StarTrek'' has an example of transsexuality, it's the TNG episode where a member of a genderless race caused a stir by considering herself female; a failed attempt at an episode about homosexuality (ButNotTooGay and RuleAbidingRebel were taken a bit too far; a nominally genderless character played by a woman who isn't being made to look or sound any less female and who identifies as a woman falling in love with a man is not even ''sorta'' homosexual-ish, it's just Riker [[BoldlyComing getting his Kirk on]] one more time. However, they accidentally ''backed into '' having an episode about transsexuality that ''isn't'' the worst you've ever seen, at a time when it was hardly on the radar.)[[/note]]

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* {{Transsexual}}: Data makes a brief reference to "invited transgendered species" early on in the movie, the franchise's first reference to transexuality. However, the word was [[YouKeepUsingThatWord badly misused]]. Instead of having anything to do with a person whose gender identity and physical sex do not match, it was added onto "Ladies and Gentlemen," meaning it referred to races whose physical sexes are not the same as humans.' [[note]]If ''StarTrek'' has an example of transsexuality, it's the TNG episode where a member of a genderless race caused a stir by considering herself female; a failed attempt at an episode about homosexuality (ButNotTooGay and RuleAbidingRebel were taken a bit too far; a nominally genderless character played by a woman who isn't being made to look or sound any less female and who identifies as a woman falling in love with a man is not even ''sorta'' homosexual-ish, it's just Riker [[BoldlyComing getting his Kirk on]] one more time. However, they accidentally ''backed into '' having an episode about transsexuality that ''isn't'' the worst you've ever seen, at a time when it was hardly on the radar.)[[/note]]radar).[[/note]]



* UnspokenPlanGuarantee: [[spoiler:Data's switch with B4]]

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* UnspokenPlanGuarantee: [[spoiler:Data's switch with B4]]B4]].
25th Oct '16 2:45:35 AM Fireblood
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* MindRape: Shinzon and the Viceroy uses an unusually literal version on Troi, though she turns it back on them.

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* MindRape: Shinzon and the Viceroy uses use an unusually literal version on Troi, though she turns it back on them.
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