History Film / Stalag17

12th May '16 11:39:35 AM gallium
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: If you're seeing this film ''after'' ''Series/HogansHeroes'', there are some similarities -- enough that the makers of the film sued Bing Crosby for making the show.
** The Sergeant of the Guard is Schulz; Schultz in ''Series/HogansHeroes''...
** The [=POW=]s even [[RefugeInAudacity dress up as Hitler!]]
** In another ''Series/HogansHeroes'' episode, Newkirk sets off a book of matches, and tosses it into the back of a German truck, causing the truck to blow up... in this movie, Dunbar explains how he made a time bomb to blow up the German amunition train: light a cigarette, slip it into a book of matches, tossing it into a car full of straw, three minutes later, the fire would spread, eventually blowing up the ammunition train.
** That volleyball scene shows up in one episode of ''Series/HogansHeroes'', almost to the letter.
** Additionally, some camera angles and scenes in ''Film/TheGreatEscape'' are very similar to this movie.
** The original pilot of ''Series/HogansHeroes'' uses the same basic plot (simplified for the shorter format and reworked for comedy).
** In an episode of ''Series/HogansHeroes'', Newkirk performs a stand-up routine, and quotes nearly word-for-word the following exchange between Harry and Schulz:
-->'''Harry:''' Hey, Schulz? Sprechen sie deutsch?
-->'''Schulz:''' Jawohl.
-->'''Harry:''' ''Then droppen sie dead!''
27th Feb '16 1:40:16 PM BillWoods
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* AllGermansAreNazis: Averted with PunchClockVillain Schulz. His reaction to all the prisoners mockingly dressing as Hitler is a muttered "One Fuhrer is enough."

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* AllGermansAreNazis: Averted with PunchClockVillain Schulz. His reaction to all the prisoners mockingly dressing as Hitler is a muttered "One Fuhrer Führer is enough."



** After the other prisoners beat Sefton up thinking he was a traitor Sefton explains the bruises to the Geneva Representative by saying that he was playing pinochle[[note]]pinochle is a card game, and is not in fact a "rough game"[[/note]]. The representative knows it is a lie but without Sefton saying anything else he cannot do a thing about it.

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** After the other prisoners beat Sefton up thinking he was a traitor Sefton explains the bruises to the Geneva Representative by saying that he was playing pinochle[[note]]pinochle pinochle.[[note]]Pinochle is a card game, and is not in fact a "rough game"[[/note]]. game".[[/note]] The representative knows it is a lie but without Sefton saying anything else he cannot do a thing about it.



** ImYourBiggestFan: When a drunken animal dances with Harry thinking he's Betty Grable, he tells "her" about how he's seen every movie she ever made - six times - and is always so fixated on her that he won't even open his bag of popcorn.

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** ImYourBiggestFan: When a drunken animal dances with Harry thinking he's Betty Grable, he tells "her" about how he's seen every movie she ever made - -- six times - -- and is always so fixated on her that he won't even open his bag of popcorn.



* DeadpanSnarker: A good chunk of the cast, including Sefton, Shapiro, Animal, and Marco. The whole camp is pretty much a WorldOfSnark, with even von Scherbach and Schultz getting in on the action. This is justified since most of the cast are either prisoners or guards who aren't happy to be where they are but who don't have the option of using physical violence (unless things turn deadly serious.)

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* DeadpanSnarker: A good chunk of the cast, including Sefton, Shapiro, Animal, and Marco. The whole camp is pretty much a WorldOfSnark, with even von Scherbach and Schultz Schulz getting in on the action. This is justified since most of the cast are either prisoners or guards who aren't happy to be where they are but who don't have the option of using physical violence (unless things turn deadly serious.)



-->'''Schulz:''' Jawol.

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-->'''Schulz:''' Jawol.Jawohl.



* ForeignCussWord: Cookie uses the word "schweinhund" to describe Schulz; schweinhund is the German equivilant of calling someone a bastard.

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* ForeignCussWord: Cookie uses the word "schweinhund" to describe Schulz; schweinhund is the German equivilant equivalent of calling someone a bastard.



-->'''Bagradian:''' Czechoslovakia und Poland - kaput! Und der Fräulein mit der Glockenspiel und der Bustenhalter - verboten! Und der Apfelstrudel mit der Liederkranz - Gesundheit! Everything is Gesundheit, kaput und verboten!

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-->'''Bagradian:''' Czechoslovakia und Poland - -- kaput! Und der Fräulein mit der Glockenspiel und der Bustenhalter - -- verboten! Und der Apfelstrudel mit der Liederkranz - -- Gesundheit! Everything is Gesundheit, kaput und verboten!



* {{Jerkass}}: Sgt. J.J. Sefton. With the exceptions of Cookie and Joey, he sees everyone in the compound as simply an opportunity to get resources to trade for goods. This comes to bite him in the ass in the beginning of the story; when he barters with the Nazi guards using the cigarettes he won from a bet involving a botched escape attempt, he is suspected of being an agent planted by the Germans. He eventually becomes a JerkWithAHeartOfGold when he decides to help save Dunbar and gives what's left of his stash to Cookie. Sefton defends this view because his first week in a prison camp netted him lost clothes, and bruises when he tried to do something about it. Being out for himself did him better...

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* {{Jerkass}}: Sgt. J.J. Sefton. With the exceptions of Cookie and Joey, he sees everyone in the compound as simply an opportunity to get resources to trade for goods. This comes to bite him in the ass in the beginning of the story; when he barters with the Nazi German guards using the cigarettes he won from a bet involving a botched escape attempt, he is suspected of being an agent planted by the Germans. He eventually becomes a JerkWithAHeartOfGold when he decides to help save Dunbar and gives what's left of his stash to Cookie. Sefton defends this view because his first week in a prison camp netted him lost clothes, and bruises when he tried to do something about it. Being out for himself did him better...



* NobodysThatDumb: When the POWs start putting their plan into action to subdue the Gestapo and get Dunbar to safety, they begin pressing out into the compound in a hurry, to which Marco the mailman tells them to take it easy, "Remember, just because the Krauts are dumb, that doesn't mean they're stupid."

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* NobodysThatDumb: When the POWs [=POWs=] start putting their plan into action to subdue the Gestapo and get Dunbar to safety, they begin pressing out into the compound in a hurry, to which Marco the mailman tells them to take it easy, "Remember, just because the Krauts are dumb, that doesn't mean they're stupid."



-->(Upon seeing all the prisoners with Hitler mustaches) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEi5PAFkiNI "Bah! One Fuhrer is enough!"]]

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-->(Upon seeing all the prisoners with Hitler mustaches) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEi5PAFkiNI "Bah! One Fuhrer Führer is enough!"]]



-->''[reading]'' "...and you'll ''never'' believe this, but she has just my eyes and my nose!" Why does she keep saying I'll never believe it? I believe it. I ''believe'' it!

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-->''[reading]'' -->[''reading''] "...and you'll ''never'' believe this, but she has just my eyes and my nose!" Why does she keep saying I'll never believe it? I believe it. I ''believe'' it!
3rd Jan '16 11:30:07 AM notShemp
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* NobodysThatDumb: When the POWs start putting their plan into action to subdue the Gestapo and get Dunbar to safety, they begin pressing out into the compound in a hurry, to which Marco the mailman tells them to take it easy, "Remember, just because the Krauts are dumb, that doesn't mean they're stupid."
11th Dec '15 8:19:42 PM lipranzer
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* SpellMyNameWithAThe: Animal goes back and forth being refered to as, "Animal" and, "The Animal".

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* SpellMyNameWithAThe: Animal goes back and forth being refered referred to as, "Animal" and, "The Animal".


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* WaxingLyrical: Von Sherbach comments on the nasty weather, and says he wishes they could have a white Christmas, "[[Music/IrvingBerlin just like the ones you used to know]]".
29th Nov '15 5:49:17 PM RamielTheSingingDiamond
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** After the other prisoners beat Sefton up thinking he was a traitor Sefton explains the bruises to the Geneva Representative by saying that he was playing pinochle. The representative knows it is a lie but without Sefton saying anything else he cannot do a thing about it.

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** After the other prisoners beat Sefton up thinking he was a traitor Sefton explains the bruises to the Geneva Representative by saying that he was playing pinochle.pinochle[[note]]pinochle is a card game, and is not in fact a "rough game"[[/note]]. The representative knows it is a lie but without Sefton saying anything else he cannot do a thing about it.
11th Sep '15 5:19:03 PM gallium
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'''''Stalag 17''''' is a 1953 war movie set in a {{World War II}} German [=POW=] camp, starring William Holden, Creator/OttoPreminger, Don Taylor, Robert Strauss, Neville Brand, Harvey Lembeck, Sig Rumann, and Creator/PeterGraves, and directed by Creator/BillyWilder. Based on the Broadway play of the same name which in turn was based on the real-life [=POW=] experiences of the play authors Donald Bevan and Edmund Trzcinski.

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'''''Stalag 17''''' is a 1953 war movie set in a {{World War II}} German [=POW=] camp, starring William Holden, Creator/WilliamHolden, Creator/OttoPreminger, Don Taylor, Robert Strauss, Neville Brand, Harvey Lembeck, Sig Rumann, and Creator/PeterGraves, and directed by Creator/BillyWilder. Based on the Broadway play of the same name which in turn was based on the real-life [=POW=] experiences of the play authors Donald Bevan and Edmund Trzcinski.
1st Sep '15 6:48:23 AM Mdumas43073
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* ChromosomeCasting: Save for the barely-glimpsed female Russian prisoners, all the characters are male.
1st Sep '15 6:40:29 AM Mdumas43073
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* PlayingAgainstType: Richard Erdman usually played comedic roles, so Hoffy was the first time he played a serious character, Billy Wilder even told him he couldn't laugh (or even titter) at all in the movie, and as such, Hoffy is rarely seen cracking a smile. In fact, because of this, Erdman said he couldn't get another comedy part for years, because he was one of the only characters from this movie who wasn't funny.
1st Sep '15 6:39:41 AM Mdumas43073
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* EnforcedMethodActing: Billy Wilder filmed as he wrote the script, and as such, the castmembers were actually very suspicious of each other because none of them knew who the informer was.
1st Sep '15 6:38:22 AM Mdumas43073
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''Stalag 17'' is a 1953 war movie set in a {{World War II}} German [=POW=] camp, starring William Holden, Creator/OttoPreminger, Don Taylor, Robert Strauss, Neville Brand, Harvey Lembeck, Sig Rumann, and Creator/PeterGraves, and directed by Creator/BillyWilder. Based on the Broadway play of the same name which in turn was based on the real-life [=POW=] experiences of the play authors Donald Bevan and Edmund Trzcinski.

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''Stalag 17'' '''''Stalag 17''''' is a 1953 war movie set in a {{World War II}} German [=POW=] camp, starring William Holden, Creator/OttoPreminger, Don Taylor, Robert Strauss, Neville Brand, Harvey Lembeck, Sig Rumann, and Creator/PeterGraves, and directed by Creator/BillyWilder. Based on the Broadway play of the same name which in turn was based on the real-life [=POW=] experiences of the play authors Donald Bevan and Edmund Trzcinski.



* BillingDisplacement:
** Cookie narrates the film and acts as something of a [[TheLancer lancer]] for Sefton, yet Gil Stratton, Jr.'s billing in the movie was near the bottom of the cast list... even under William Pierson (Marco the Mailman, who really only has three significant scenes).
** Dunbar doesn't have too many scenes in the movie (though his sabotage of an ammunitions trains in Berlin is an important plot point) despite Don Taylor having second billing.
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