History Film / Se7en

18th May '18 4:25:39 PM NightShade96
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** {{Lust}}: A woman who happened to be a sex worker.[[note]]Although, one could interpret the actual victim to be the man who was forced to have sex with her, who was implied to be an adulterer ("He asked if I was married"). Though he lived, he is left thoroughly scarred for life.[[/note]] [[spoiler:Doe forces a man to [[DeathBySex rape her to death with a bladed strap-on]].]]

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** {{Lust}}: A woman who happened to be a sex worker.[[note]]Although, one could interpret the actual victim to be the man who was forced to have sex with her, who was implied to be an adulterer ("He asked if I was married"). Though he lived, he is left thoroughly scarred for life.[[/note]] [[spoiler:Doe forces a man to [[DeathBySex rape her to death with a bladed strap-on]].strap-on.]]
18th May '18 4:25:07 PM NightShade96
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: [[spoiler:It's Gwyneth Paltrow's head in the box]], and [[spoiler:Kevin Spacey]] is the killer.



* ArtisticLicenseLaw: While John Doe certainly could try an insanity defense in court, in America it almost never works[[note]]In America simply having a mental illness or being fanatical isn't enough, generally speaking it has to be clearly shown that at the time of the incident the accused was unable to either appreciate the criminality of his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of the law. This has only be done in a fraction of all criminal cases[[/note]].
* AssholeVictim: According to the villain. His victims are chosen based on what he considers to be their (unforgivably) negative traits, although their "sins" range from being morbidly obese to being a drug-dealing pederast. The movie does not contain any indication that the victims for gluttony, lust, and pride were bad people in any way, unless you take the villain's "FromACertainPointOfView" for gospel -- or share his hatred of lawyers, obese people, sex-workers, and vain women. The Sloth victim in particular is a known drug dealer and child molester. His punishment is so horrifying, however, that it's hard to say he deserved it. [[spoiler:And Doe himself ''definitely'' is one at the end, even if he willed it.]]

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: While John Doe certainly could try an insanity defense in court, but in America it almost never works[[note]]In America simply having a mental illness or being fanatical isn't enough, generally speaking it has to be clearly shown that at the time of the incident the accused was unable to either appreciate the criminality of his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of the law. This has only be done in a fraction of all criminal cases[[/note]].
* AssholeVictim: AssholeVictim:
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According to the villain. His victims are chosen based on what he considers to be their (unforgivably) negative traits, although their "sins" range from being morbidly obese to being a drug-dealing pederast. The movie does not contain any indication that the victims for gluttony, lust, and pride were bad people in any way, unless you take the villain's "FromACertainPointOfView" for gospel -- or share his hatred of lawyers, obese people, sex-workers, and vain women. The Sloth victim in particular is a known drug dealer and child molester. His punishment is so horrifying, however, that it's hard to say he deserved it. it.
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[[spoiler:And Doe himself ''definitely'' is one at the end, even if he willed it.]]



-->''([[{{Beat}} beat]])''

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-->''([[{{Beat}} beat]])''-->''({{beat}})''



* KirkSummation: {{Subverted}}. Det. Mills' rebuttal was spot on, but the villain ignored him and [[ShutUpKirk continued the]] [[HannibalLecture lecture]].

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* KirkSummation: {{Subverted}}.{{Subverted|Trope}}. Det. Mills' rebuttal was spot on, but the villain ignored him and [[ShutUpKirk continued the]] [[HannibalLecture lecture]].



* NoNameGiven: The Captain.
** [[AllThereInTheScript According to an early draft of script]] his name is Police Captain Lucas.

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* NoNameGiven: NoNameGiven:
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The Captain.
** *** [[AllThereInTheScript According to an early draft of script]] his name is Police Captain Lucas.



* RedHerring: [[spoiler: Somerset's knife-throwing practice. It's seen several times in the movie, but never given practical application.]]
** Though it should be noted that in the actual movie script, [[spoiler: Somerset did use his knife-throwing skill to try to stop Mills from shooting John Doe.]]

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* RedHerring: RedHerring:
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[[spoiler: Somerset's knife-throwing practice. It's seen several times in the movie, but never given practical application.]]
** *** Though it should be noted that in the actual movie script, [[spoiler: Somerset did use his knife-throwing skill to try to stop Mills from shooting John Doe.]]



** {{Lust}}: A woman who happened to be a sex worker.[[note]]Although, one could interpret the actual victim to be the man who was forced to have sex with her, who was implied to be an adulterer ("He asked if I was married"). Though he lived, he is left thoroughly scarred for life.[[/note]] [[spoiler:Doe forces a man to rape her to death with a bladed strap-on.]]

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** {{Lust}}: A woman who happened to be a sex worker.[[note]]Although, one could interpret the actual victim to be the man who was forced to have sex with her, who was implied to be an adulterer ("He asked if I was married"). Though he lived, he is left thoroughly scarred for life.[[/note]] [[spoiler:Doe forces a man to [[DeathBySex rape her to death with a bladed strap-on.strap-on]].]]



** [[HairTriggerTemper Wrath]]: [[spoiler:Detective Mills, who was quick to anger and killed John Doe, an unarmed prisoner, in a rage for killing his wife. Having already lost his wife and unborn child, he will likely lose his job and be traumatized for the rest of his life. Given the circumstances he's not likely to go to prison, but there's no guarantee.]]

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** [[HairTriggerTemper Wrath]]: [[spoiler:Detective Mills, who was quick to anger and killed John Doe, an unarmed prisoner, in a rage for killing his wife. Having already lost his wife and unborn child, he will likely lose his job and be traumatized for the rest of his life. Given the circumstances circumstances, he's not likely to go to prison, but there's no guarantee.]]
18th May '18 6:38:56 AM Sabbat
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: While John Doe certainly could try an insanity defense in court, in America it almost never works[[note]]In America simply having a mental illness or being fanatical isn't enough, generally speaking it has to be clearly shown that the accused couldn't comprehend that the act was wrong, which has only be done in a fraction of all criminal cases[[/note]].

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: While John Doe certainly could try an insanity defense in court, in America it almost never works[[note]]In America simply having a mental illness or being fanatical isn't enough, generally speaking it has to be clearly shown that at the time of the incident the accused couldn't comprehend that was unable to either appreciate the act was wrong, which criminality of his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of the law. This has only be done in a fraction of all criminal cases[[/note]].
1st May '18 7:38:31 AM DaBradGuy
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** John Doe [[spoiler: is shackled and in police custody, and he, Mills, and Somerset are in the open, where Doe can't possibly stage an ambush.]] Furthermore, there's a helicopter nearby with California and the SWAT team. But Doe [[spoiler: has a box delivered to the area, and Somerset opens it and looks in....]]
-->'''Somerset:''' California, stay away from here. Stay from here now. Don't-- don't-- don't come in here. Whatever you hear, stay away! ''John Doe has the upper hand!''
30th Apr '18 9:31:00 PM mojo72400
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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler:Tracy (and her and Mills' unborn child) is senselessly murdered by John Doe. Mills is last seen arrested,and in the back of a police car after killing John Doe. He is also left iemotionally distraught after the events. And more horrifying of all, John Doe [[TheBadGuyWins gets his wish to die by the hand of Mills]].]]

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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler:Tracy (and her and Mills' unborn child) is senselessly murdered by John Doe. Mills is last seen arrested,and in the back of a police car after killing John Doe. He is also left iemotionally emotionally distraught after the events. And more horrifying of all, John Doe [[TheBadGuyWins gets his wish to die by the hand of Mills]].]]
21st Apr '18 11:24:12 PM nombretomado
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** There is a store called [[TheSilenceOfTheLambs Wild Bill's Leather Shop]].

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** There is a store called [[TheSilenceOfTheLambs [[Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Wild Bill's Leather Shop]].
15th Apr '18 11:26:27 AM Evighet
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** [[HairTriggerTemper Wrath]]: [[spoiler:Detective Mills, who was quick to anger and murdered John Doe, an unarmed prisoner, in a rage for killing his wife. Having already lost his wife and unborn child, he will now be sent to prison for murder, thus losing his career and his freedom.]]

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** [[HairTriggerTemper Wrath]]: [[spoiler:Detective Mills, who was quick to anger and murdered killed John Doe, an unarmed prisoner, in a rage for killing his wife. Having already lost his wife and unborn child, he will now likely lose his job and be sent to prison traumatized for murder, thus losing the rest of his career and his freedom.life. Given the circumstances he's not likely to go to prison, but there's no guarantee.]]
13th Apr '18 8:51:13 PM BobMcGuffin
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*** However, the fact that John Doe's prison jumpsuit has the words "Bardach County Jail"[[note]]Elinor Bardach was the film's costume supervisor.[[/note]] written on it indicates that the city is entirely fictional.
8th Apr '18 2:36:45 PM Stellarvore
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* AssholeVictim: According to the villain. His victims are chosen based on what he considers to be their (unforgivably) negative traits, although their "sins" range from being morbidly obese to being a drug-dealing pederast. The movie does not contain any indication that the victims for gluttony, lust, and pride were bad people in any way, unless you take the villain's "FromACertainPointOfView" for gospel -- or share his hatred of lawyers, obese people, sex-workers, and vain women.
** The Sloth victim in particular is a known drug dealer and child molester. His punishment is so horrifying, however, that it's hard to say he deserved it.

to:

* AssholeVictim: According to the villain. His victims are chosen based on what he considers to be their (unforgivably) negative traits, although their "sins" range from being morbidly obese to being a drug-dealing pederast. The movie does not contain any indication that the victims for gluttony, lust, and pride were bad people in any way, unless you take the villain's "FromACertainPointOfView" for gospel -- or share his hatred of lawyers, obese people, sex-workers, and vain women.
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women. The Sloth victim in particular is a known drug dealer and child molester. His punishment is so horrifying, however, that it's hard to say he deserved it. [[spoiler:And Doe himself ''definitely'' is one at the end, even if he willed it.]]
14th Mar '18 4:25:28 PM lcrossmk8
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''[=Se7en=]'' (or ''Seven'') is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller film, directed by Creator/DavidFincher of ''Film/FightClub'' fame. It stars Creator/MorganFreeman and Creator/BradPitt as homicide detectives William Somerset and David Mills.

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''[=Se7en=]'' (or ''Seven'') is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller crime/thriller film, directed by Creator/DavidFincher of ''Film/FightClub'' fame. It stars Creator/MorganFreeman and Creator/BradPitt as homicide detectives William Somerset and David Mills.
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