History Film / Se7en

5th Apr '17 8:47:38 PM Scoutstr295
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* ChurchgoingVillain: John Doe is a deeply Christian serial killer who despises the entire world. To show his disdain for all the "sins" around him he gives his victims ironic deaths tied to their perceived guilt in order to cleanse society.
** On the flip side though, It's notable that Doe has very little to do with the Bible itself (he mentions Sodam and Gomorrah off handedly and quotes "the Lord works in mysterious ways") and references any theological concept beyond sin (salvation, faith, prayer, Jesus) pretty much never.

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* ChurchgoingVillain: John Doe is a deeply Christian serial killer who despises the entire world. To show his disdain for all the "sins" around him him, he gives his victims ironic deaths tied to their perceived guilt in order to cleanse society.
** On the flip side though, It's it's notable that Doe has very little to do with the Bible itself (he mentions Sodam Sodom and Gomorrah off handedly and quotes "the Lord works in mysterious ways") and references any theological concept beyond sin (salvation, faith, prayer, Jesus) pretty much never.
15th Feb '17 6:52:11 PM takeawhirl
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** Pausing the film when the photographer shows up at the Sloth victim's apartment reveals [[SPOILER:him to be John Doe.]]

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** Pausing the film when the photographer shows up at the Sloth victim's apartment reveals [[SPOILER:him [[spoiler:him to be John Doe.]]
23rd Jan '17 9:31:55 PM creader
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* BreakTheBadass[=/=]BreakTheCutie: Part of John Doe's plan for [[spoiler:Mills.]]

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* BreakTheBadass[=/=]BreakTheCutie: BreakTheBadass: Part of John Doe's plan for [[spoiler:Mills.]]



* ClusterFBomb[=/=]SirSwearsALot: Along with his hotheaded, impulsive nature, Mills ("M-I-L-L-S, ''fuck off!''") swears like a sailor.

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* ClusterFBomb[=/=]SirSwearsALot: ClusterFBomb: Along with his hotheaded, impulsive nature, Mills ("M-I-L-L-S, ''fuck off!''") swears like a sailor.



* DownerEnding: Downer beginning and middle too.

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* DownerEnding: Downer beginning [[spoiler:Tracy (and her and middle too.Mills' unborn child) is senselessly murdered by John Doe. Mills last seen arrested in the back of a police car after killing John Doe and is left in an emotional distraught after the events. And more horrifying of all, John Doe [[TheBadGuyWins gets his wish to die by Mills]].]]
20th Jan '17 9:46:50 PM Rebu
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-->'''Somerset:''' Well, in any major city, [[ApatheticCitizens minding your own business]] is a science. First thing they teach women in rape prevention is never cry for help. Always yell "fire." Nobody answers to "help." You holler "fire," they come running.

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-->'''Somerset:''' Well, in any major city, [[ApatheticCitizens minding your own business]] is a science. First thing they teach women in rape prevention is never cry for help. Always yell "fire." Nobody answers to "help." You holler "fire," they come running.[[note]]This is an urban legend. For one thing, it would be impossible to test reliably, given the sheer amount of variables.[[/note]]



* FailedASpotCheck / RuleOfDrama: [[spoiler:Nobody seem to notice John Doe walking into the police station, literally red-handed, shirt splattered with blood, until he shouts "''Detective!''". A cop even walks past him at arm's length.]]



** Pausing the film when the photographer shows up at the Sloth victim's apartment reveals him to be John Doe.

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** Pausing the film when the photographer shows up at the Sloth victim's apartment reveals him [[SPOILER:him to be John Doe.]]



* GambitRoulette: John Doe's plan hinges upon: the police finding the Gluttony message behind the fridge, the Sloth victim not being discovered ahead of time, the police finding the message hidden behind the painting in Gould's office, the police being able to connect the fingerprints behind the painting to the Sloth victim, the police finding the Sloth victim on the appropriate day, the package containing [[spoiler: Tracy's head]] arriving at the scene at the right time, somebody actually opening said package and seeing its contents (one of the cops in the helicopter, upon seeing the package, radios for the bomb squad to be brought in - why would this not be Somerset's first assumption?), and convincing [[spoiler:Mills to kill John Doe]], without anyone intervening. Additionally, practically every murder takes place in a location where someone could have easily interrupted John Doe before completing the murder in question (Somerset notes that John Doe left the scene of the Gluttony murder twice in order to buy more spaghetti sauce, and hand waves no one interrupting the Greed murder with the BystanderSyndrome) - he was extraordinarily lucky that no one did so. Finally, when Somerset and Mills arrive at John Doe's apartment he fires upon them from a distance, and again when they give chase - Somerset and Mills form an integral part of his plan, so he must have been missing on purpose, but he was still lucky that he didn't accidentally hit one of them.

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* GambitRoulette: John Doe's plan hinges upon: the police finding the Gluttony message behind the fridge, the Sloth victim not being discovered ahead of time, the police finding the message hidden behind the painting in Gould's office, the police being able to connect the fingerprints behind the painting to the Sloth victim, the police finding the Sloth victim on the appropriate day, the package containing [[spoiler: Tracy's head]] head arriving at the scene at the right time, somebody actually opening said package and seeing its contents (one of the cops in the helicopter, upon seeing the package, radios for the bomb squad to be brought in - why would this not be Somerset's first assumption?), and convincing [[spoiler:Mills Mills to kill John Doe]], without anyone intervening. Additionally, practically every murder takes place in a location where someone could have easily interrupted John Doe before completing the murder in question (Somerset notes that John Doe left the scene of the Gluttony murder twice in order to buy more spaghetti sauce, and hand waves no one interrupting the Greed murder with the BystanderSyndrome) - he was extraordinarily lucky that no one did so. Finally, when Somerset and Mills arrive at John Doe's apartment he fires upon them from a distance, and again when they give chase - Somerset and Mills form an integral part of his plan, so he must have been missing on purpose, but he was still lucky that he didn't accidentally hit one of them.
25th Nov '16 9:53:32 PM CJCroen1393
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* WhamLine: After they find the Sloth victim, it seems that the poor sucker has gotten the worst of Doe's murderous intentions. Then...well...
-->[[spoiler:"He's alive! He's alive! ''The cocksucker's alive!''"]]
4th Oct '16 1:27:42 PM ThePest179
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** The Sloth victim in particular is a known drug dealer and child molester. His punishment is so horrifying, however, that it's hard to say he deserved it.
30th Aug '16 10:19:57 PM BobMcGuffin
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* DramaticStutter: The terrified man who was involuntarily recruited as the punisher for Lust does this.
17th Aug '16 5:25:04 PM WillBGood
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* FollowTheLeader: Compare it with later ThemeSerialKiller flicks like ''Resurrection''[[note]]A ''blatant'' rip-off starring Christopher Lambert and Leland Orser (who also played the man forced by John Doe at gunpoint to rape the Lust victim to death)[[/note]], ''Film/TakingLives'', ''Film/{{Anamorph}}'', ''Film/{{Horsemen}}'', ''WΔZ'', ''Film/SuspectZero'' or ''Franchise/{{Saw}}''. Of course that's not to say ''[=Se7en=]'' didn't borrow some elements from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' (and, for that matter, ''Film/TheAbominableDrPhibes''...).
17th Aug '16 5:22:46 PM WillBGood
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* FollowTheLeader: Compare it with later ThemeSerialKiller flicks like ''Resurrection''[[note]]A ''blatant'' rip-off starring Christopher Lambert and Leland Orser (who also played the man forced by John Doe at gunpoint to rape the Lust victim to death)[[/note]], ''Film/TakingLives'', ''Film/{{Anamorph}}'', ''Film/{{Horsemen}}'', ''WΔZ'', ''Film/SuspectZero'' or ''Franchise/{{Saw}}''. Of course that's not to say ''[=Se7en=]'' didn't borrow some elements from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''.

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* FollowTheLeader: Compare it with later ThemeSerialKiller flicks like ''Resurrection''[[note]]A ''blatant'' rip-off starring Christopher Lambert and Leland Orser (who also played the man forced by John Doe at gunpoint to rape the Lust victim to death)[[/note]], ''Film/TakingLives'', ''Film/{{Anamorph}}'', ''Film/{{Horsemen}}'', ''WΔZ'', ''Film/SuspectZero'' or ''Franchise/{{Saw}}''. Of course that's not to say ''[=Se7en=]'' didn't borrow some elements from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''.''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' (and, for that matter, ''Film/TheAbominableDrPhibes''...).
26th Jun '16 10:53:18 PM erforce
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''Se7en'' (or ''Seven'') is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller film, directed by Creator/DavidFincher of ''Film/FightClub'' fame. It stars Creator/MorganFreeman and Creator/BradPitt as homicide detectives William Somerset and David Mills.

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''Se7en'' ''[=Se7en=]'' (or ''Seven'') is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller film, directed by Creator/DavidFincher of ''Film/FightClub'' fame. It stars Creator/MorganFreeman and Creator/BradPitt as homicide detectives William Somerset and David Mills.



* FollowTheLeader: Compare it with later ThemeSerialKiller flicks like ''Resurrection''[[note]]A ''blatant'' rip-off starring Christopher Lambert and Leland Orser (who also played the man forced by John Doe at gunpoint to rape the Lust victim to death)[[/note]], ''Film/TakingLives'', ''Film/{{Anamorph}}'', ''Film/{{Horsemen}}'', ''WΔZ'', ''Film/SuspectZero'' or ''Franchise/{{Saw}}''. Of course that's not to say ''Se7en'' didn't borrow some elements from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''.

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* FollowTheLeader: Compare it with later ThemeSerialKiller flicks like ''Resurrection''[[note]]A ''blatant'' rip-off starring Christopher Lambert and Leland Orser (who also played the man forced by John Doe at gunpoint to rape the Lust victim to death)[[/note]], ''Film/TakingLives'', ''Film/{{Anamorph}}'', ''Film/{{Horsemen}}'', ''WΔZ'', ''Film/SuspectZero'' or ''Franchise/{{Saw}}''. Of course that's not to say ''Se7en'' ''[=Se7en=]'' didn't borrow some elements from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''.
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