History Film / Scum

18th Feb '18 12:36:56 AM nombretomado
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# The BBC Teleplay and film both starred RayWinstone, and essentially launched his career.

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# The BBC Teleplay and film both starred RayWinstone, Creator/RayWinstone, and essentially launched his career.
8th Feb '18 2:32:40 AM WillBGood
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## The BBC Teleplay and film both starred RayWinstone, and essentially launched his career.
## Though not an actual [[VideoNasty "Video Nasty"]], [[MoralGuardians Mary Whitehouse]] ''was'' successful in her private prosecution in the High Court case against Channel 4 for showing the film. (Channel 4 later won an appeal, however) Because of this, ''Scum'' frequently shows up under video nasty lists, despite not actually being one. Part of the reason for all the controversy was because of how [[{{Gorn}} extraordinarily violent]] the film was, as well as its brutal depictions of racism and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking harsh language]], particularly for Thatcher-era Britain.
## Though without the violence and general extremity of its remake, the original 1977 teleplay did have one thing that many modern audiences will find particularly surprising given the time period it was made in: a homosexual relationship between Carlin and another inmate. Granted, the relationship wasn't exactly positive, but still.

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## # The BBC Teleplay and film both starred RayWinstone, and essentially launched his career.
## # Though not an actual [[VideoNasty "Video Nasty"]], [[MoralGuardians Mary Whitehouse]] ''was'' successful in her private prosecution in the High Court case against Channel 4 for showing the film. (Channel 4 later won an appeal, however) Because of this, ''Scum'' frequently shows up under video nasty lists, despite not actually being one. Part of the reason for all the controversy was because of how [[{{Gorn}} extraordinarily violent]] the film was, as well as its brutal depictions of racism and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking harsh language]], particularly for Thatcher-era Britain.
## # Though without the violence and general extremity of its remake, the original 1977 teleplay did have one thing that many modern audiences will find particularly surprising given the time period it was made in: a homosexual relationship between Carlin and another inmate. Granted, the relationship wasn't exactly positive, but still.
8th Feb '18 2:32:28 AM WillBGood
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The film is ''very'' noteable for several reasons:

'''1.''' The BBC Teleplay and film both starred RayWinstone, and essentially launched his career.

'''2.''' Though not an actual [[VideoNasty "Video Nasty"]], [[MoralGuardians Mary]] [[BitchInSheepsClothing White]][[TheFundamentalist house]] ''was'' successful in her private prosecution in the High Court case against Channel 4 for showing the film. (Channel 4 later won an appeal, however) Because of this, "Scum" frequently shows up under video nasty lists, despite not actually being one. Part of the reason for all the controversy was because of how [[{{Gorn}} extraordinarily violent]] the film was, as well as its brutal depictions of racism and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking harsh language]], particularly for Thatcher-era Britain.

'''3.''' Though without the violence and general extremity of its remake, The original 1977 teleplay did have one thing that many modern audiences will find particularly surprising given the time period it was made in: a homosexual relationship between Carlin and another inmate. Granted, the relationship wasn't exactly positive, but still.

That being said, the main gist of the film(s) is something like this:

Three thugs; Carlin (Butch in Dog Pound), Davis, and Angel, are all taken into custody and brought to a good ol' British Borstal (an American Juvenile Correctional Facility in Dog Pound). What they proceed to discover is that where they have been sent is in fact a WretchedHive of Racism and Violence, and corrupt wardens/officers. And that's just the beginning. From then on, [[FromBadToWorse it gets worse.]] Much, ''MUCH'' worse.

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The film is ''very'' noteable notable for several reasons:

'''1.'''
reasons:
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The BBC Teleplay and film both starred RayWinstone, and essentially launched his career.

'''2.'''
career.
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Though not an actual [[VideoNasty "Video Nasty"]], [[MoralGuardians Mary]] [[BitchInSheepsClothing White]][[TheFundamentalist house]] Mary Whitehouse]] ''was'' successful in her private prosecution in the High Court case against Channel 4 for showing the film. (Channel 4 later won an appeal, however) Because of this, "Scum" ''Scum'' frequently shows up under video nasty lists, despite not actually being one. Part of the reason for all the controversy was because of how [[{{Gorn}} extraordinarily violent]] the film was, as well as its brutal depictions of racism and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking harsh language]], particularly for Thatcher-era Britain.

'''3.'''
Britain.
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Though without the violence and general extremity of its remake, The the original 1977 teleplay did have one thing that many modern audiences will find particularly surprising given the time period it was made in: a homosexual relationship between Carlin and another inmate. Granted, the relationship wasn't exactly positive, but still.

That being said, the main gist of the film(s) is something like this:

Three thugs; thugs, Carlin (Butch in Dog Pound), Davis, and Angel, are all taken into custody and brought to a good ol' British Borstal (an American Juvenile Correctional Facility in Dog Pound). What they proceed to discover is that where they have been sent is in fact a WretchedHive of Racism and Violence, racism, violence, and corrupt wardens/officers. And that's just the beginning. From then on, [[FromBadToWorse it gets worse.]] Much, ''MUCH'' worse.
27th Sep '17 9:35:58 AM king3000
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* NoEnding: The original 1979 version, which borders on being a DownerEnding. [[spoiler:All the prisoners, including Carlin, start a riot in the prison after finding out about Davis's suicide, however they are all beaten and thrown back in their cells. Then the scene cuts to an assembly with all the prisoners as the warden speaks to them all, then the credits roll.]]
8th Jul '17 7:05:28 PM bt8257
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Three thugs; Carlin (Butch in Dog Pound), Davis, and Angel, are all taken into custody and brought to a good ol' British Borstal (an American Juvenile Correctional Facility in Dog Pound). What they proceed to discover is that where they have been sent is in fact a [[WretchedHive Wretched Hive]] of Racism and Violence, and corrupt wardens/officers. And that's just the beginning. From then on, [[FromBadToWorse it gets worse.]] Much, ''MUCH'' worse.

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Three thugs; Carlin (Butch in Dog Pound), Davis, and Angel, are all taken into custody and brought to a good ol' British Borstal (an American Juvenile Correctional Facility in Dog Pound). What they proceed to discover is that where they have been sent is in fact a [[WretchedHive Wretched Hive]] WretchedHive of Racism and Violence, and corrupt wardens/officers. And that's just the beginning. From then on, [[FromBadToWorse it gets worse.]] Much, ''MUCH'' worse.






* GokartingWithBowser: One memorable scene in ''Scum'' has one of the guards give Archer his coffee and actually engage in a serious conversation with him. Unfortunately, Archer oversteps the intelligence and tolerance of the guard, and his argument against the entire system is taken as a personal insult.

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* GokartingWithBowser: GoKartingWithBowser: One memorable scene in ''Scum'' has one of the guards give Archer his coffee and actually engage in a serious conversation with him. Unfortunately, Archer oversteps the intelligence and tolerance of the guard, and his argument against the entire system is taken as a personal insult.



* HandOrObjectUnderwear: During the beginning of ''Dog Pound'', the viewers are treated to all three male leads essentially naked, save for them cupping their privates with their hands. [[JustifiedTrope Justified, however]]: they ''are'' being checked into a Juvenile Correctional Facility, and ''would'' need to be strip-searched.

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* HandOrObjectUnderwear: During the beginning of ''Dog Pound'', the viewers are treated to all three male leads essentially naked, save for them cupping their privates with their hands. [[JustifiedTrope Justified, however]]: {{Justified|Trope}}, however: they ''are'' being checked into a Juvenile Correctional Facility, and ''would'' need to be strip-searched.



* PrisonRape | RapeAsDrama: [[spoiler: Davis.]]

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* PrisonRape | RapeAsDrama: PrisonRape[=/=]RapeAsDrama: [[spoiler: Davis.]]



* ViolentGlaswegian: [[AvertedTrope Averted]], due to casting. Originally, Carlin was intended to be from Glasgow, but the director was so impressed with Ray Winstone's audition, that he dropped that and cast him.

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* ViolentGlaswegian: [[AvertedTrope Averted]], {{Averted|Trope}}, due to casting. Originally, Carlin was intended to be from Glasgow, but the director was so impressed with Ray Winstone's audition, that he dropped that and cast him.
14th Jun '17 9:20:26 AM Mdumas43073
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!!!Tropes appearing in Scum/Dog Pound:


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24th Oct '16 4:48:38 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* DawsonCasting: Played straight with Ray Winstone (both Theatrical and BBC teleplay versions of ''Scum''), David Threlfall (BBC Teleplay), Mick Ford (Theatrical version), Adam Butcher, and Shane Kippel (both ''Dog Pound''); all were 20 or over during filming of their respective versions. One [[AvertedTrope aversion]] occurred with Julian Firth in the 1979 theatrical version; he actually ''was'' a teenager.
9th Sep '16 4:52:05 AM 06tele
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* GroinAttack: Carlin's favourite combat tactic.
5th Feb '16 8:35:21 AM IndyRevolution
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* ParentalIncest: In ''Dog Pound'', one of Davis's stories this. It's most likely bull, especially given his actual interactions with his mother.
** It was actually the mother of the girl he was with at the time.
5th Feb '16 8:29:12 AM IndyRevolution
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* BlatantLies: Davis's sex stories in ''Dog Pound'' are this. At least, [[{{Squick}} we hope.]]

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* BlatantLies: Davis's sex stories in ''Dog Pound'' are this. At least, [[{{Squick}} we hope.]]
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