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9th Aug '17 11:03:06 AM the7joker7
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* Foreshadowing: The final hand from the 1988 World Series of Poker, which Mike watches on VHS in the middle of the movie, foreshadows his final hand against Teddy KGB at the end. Though there are a few differences in gameplay, both hands feature a player flopping the nut straight, slow-playing, and getting their opponent to go all-in.

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* Foreshadowing: {{Foreshadowing}}: The final hand from the 1988 World Series of Poker, which Mike watches on VHS in the middle of the movie, foreshadows his final hand against Teddy KGB at the end. Though there are a few differences in gameplay, both hands feature a player flopping the nut straight, slow-playing, and getting their opponent to go all-in.


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* LaymansTerms: Generally puts more effort into the poker gameplay than most movies, but still often strays into simplified, exaggerated circumstances to add extra drama for the viewer who might not be as well versed in specifics and will respond best to more dramatic circumstances.
** The first hand of the movie where Mike loses his entire bankroll features Teddy KGB betting nearly three times the pot on the river with his full house. Bets of this size are almost never seen, especially among good players. Probably done so Mike would have the right amount of chips left to make a reasonable-sized all-in raise.
** The hand between Mike and Johnny Chan that occurred before the events of the movie took place at a limit game with bets of three hundred and six hundred dollars. As told, after Mike's re-re-re-raise of Chan pre-flop, the size of the pot would be about 2,625 dollars, and Chan would need to put in 300 dollars more to continue in the hand. Meaning he is getting close to nine-to-one on a call. It makes no sense to fold in those circumstances, and even an amateur would be aware of that, much less a world-champion with millions dollars. Obviously done so Mike can have a moment where he outplays a professional to feed his confidence.
** The first hand of Mike's heads up game against KGB. With blinds of fifty and one hundred, Mike open-raises to one thousand with kings, a ten big blind open that only a novice would even consider doing. Equally bizarre is KGB's re-raise to five thousand, which represents half his stack, and then folding to Mike's shove. There is no hand that KGB should be putting half his chips in with pre-flop that he isn't willing to go all the way with, and him doing so is a complete game theory disaster.
** KGB again shows his propensity for obscene over-bets in the final hand of the game. His flop bet of two thousand into four hundred, whatever he actually has, is bizarre and not something a good player would ever be expected to do.
9th Aug '17 10:38:06 AM the7joker7
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* Foreshadowing: The final hand from the 1988 World Series of Poker, which Mike watches on VHS in the middle of the movie, foreshadows his final hand against Teddy KGB at the end. Though there are a few differences in gameplay, both hands feature a player flopping the nut straight, slow-playing, and getting their opponent to go all-in.
9th Aug '17 10:27:39 AM the7joker7
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The final hand between Mike and KGB. KGB is the dealer for this hand, yet Mike acts first pre-flop by min-raising with 98 suited. In heads up Texas Holdem, the dealer acts first pre-flop. The rest of the hand plays out correctly under the assumption that KGB is the dealer, by having Mike act first on the flop, turn, and river, with KGB acting second.
29th Jun '17 10:14:32 AM WrongVerb
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* InsistentTerminology: Worm wasn't printing those (counterfeit) credit cards, he was distributing. It's different!
7th Apr '17 3:48:28 PM nombretomado
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''Rounders'' (1998) is about the underground world of {{poker}} in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity starring Creator/MattDamon as Mike [=McDermott=] and Creator/EdwardNorton as Worm and a bit part for Creator/JohnMalkovich as the Russian gangster Teddy KGB. This movie has become a cult classic, especially because of the current popularity of Texas Hold 'Em style poker.

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''Rounders'' (1998) is about the underground world of {{poker}} TabletopGame/{{poker}} in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity starring Creator/MattDamon as Mike [=McDermott=] and Creator/EdwardNorton as Worm and a bit part for Creator/JohnMalkovich as the Russian gangster Teddy KGB. This movie has become a cult classic, especially because of the current popularity of Texas Hold 'Em style poker.



* {{Poker}}: Just in case you hadn't noticed yet, this movie is about poker.
7th Oct '16 9:51:54 PM ArchTeryx
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* TheMafiya: Teddy KGB has all the trappings of a ''vor v zakone'', and looks to recruit Grama as one of his goons. If Mike loses his final poker game, Grama gets to make his bones - on his body.

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* TheMafiya: Teddy KGB has all the trappings of a ''vor v zakone'', and looks to recruit Grama as one of his goons. If Mike loses his final poker game, Grama gets to make his bones - on his Mike's body.
7th Oct '16 9:48:33 PM ArchTeryx
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* TheMafiya: Teddy KGB has all the trappings of a ''vor v zakone'', and looks to recruit Gramma as one of his goons.

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* TheMafiya: Teddy KGB has all the trappings of a ''vor v zakone'', and looks to recruit Gramma Grama as one of his goons.goons. If Mike loses his final poker game, Grama gets to make his bones - on his body.
7th Oct '16 9:46:58 PM ArchTeryx
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* TheMafiya: Teddy KGB has all the trappings of a ''vor v zakone'', and looks to recruit Gramma as one of his goons.
7th Apr '16 11:59:31 AM Taskmaster123
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* PragmaticVillany: After Mike ends up with winning hand at the end, KGB is pissed, but knows he lost fair. His mooks are on the verge of kicking the shit out of Mike, but KGB pulls them up short on their leashes and tells them to give Mike his money and let him go. Not only was this a case of EvenEvilHasStandards, but when you look at the scene, the place was full of other people who'd suspended their games to come over and watch the showdown between KGB and Mike. KGB has to be pragmatic. It would be very bad for his underground poker game business if word got around that he lost fair and square, then refused to pay the man who won and let his mooks beat the shit out of him.

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* PragmaticVillany: PragmaticVillainy: After Mike ends up with winning hand at the end, KGB is pissed, but knows he lost fair. His mooks are on the verge of kicking the shit out of Mike, but KGB pulls them up short on their leashes and tells them to give Mike his money and let him go. Not only was this a case of EvenEvilHasStandards, but when you look at the scene, the place was full of other people who'd suspended their games to come over and watch the showdown between KGB and Mike. KGB has to be pragmatic. It would be very bad for his underground poker game business if word got around that he lost fair and square, then refused to pay the man who won and let his mooks beat the shit out of him.
7th Apr '16 11:58:55 AM Taskmaster123
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* PragmaticVillany: After Mike ends up with winning hand at the end, KGB is pissed, but knows he lost fair. His mooks are on the verge of kicking the shit out of Mike, but KGB pulls them up short on their leashes and tells them to give Mike his money and let him go. Not only was this a case of EvenEvilHasStandards, but when you look at the scene, the place was full of other people who'd suspended their games to come over and watch the showdown between KGB and Mike. KGB has to be pragmatic. It would be very bad for his underground poker game business if word got around that he lost fair and square, then refused to pay the man who won and let his mooks beat the shit out of him.
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