History Film / RedDawn1984

21st Dec '17 5:40:45 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Still doesn't explain what happened to the other two-thirds of the nuclear triad. You know, the dozen or so Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines just waiting for the order to fire to come down, or Strategic Air Command, which had the distinct tendency to keep Bombers in the air at all times, just in case SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THIS HAPPENED.

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** Still doesn't explain what happened to No explanation is given for did or did not happen with the other two-thirds of the US nuclear triad. You know, the dozen or so Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines just waiting for the order to fire to come down, or Strategic Air Command, which had the distinct tendency to keep Bombers in the air at all times, just in case SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THIS HAPPENED.deterrent.
19th Dec '17 2:24:34 PM DukeofFinland
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** Valmet M78, Jatimatic, Walther PP and mockup Maadi ARMs are used as stand ins for RPK, PM-63 RAK, Makarov PM and AK-74 for the same reasons.

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** Valmet M78, Jatimatic, Walther PP and mockup Maadi ARMs [=ARMs=] are used as stand ins for RPK, PM-63 RAK, Makarov PM and AK-74 for the same reasons.
19th Dec '17 2:22:58 PM DukeofFinland
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* ShownTheirWork: A lot of effort was put into accurately showcasing the Soviet weaponry and equipment of the era. This is especially impressive considering that Soviet weaponry was not as easily available for Hollywood studios in the 80s' as it is today.
** The mock up T-72 used in the movie were so well made that according to the production crew, CIA became interested just were they had managed to acquire it from.


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** Valmet M78, Jatimatic, Walther PP and mockup Maadi ARMs are used as stand ins for RPK, PM-63 RAK, Makarov PM and AK-74 for the same reasons.
15th Dec '17 12:09:39 AM Lanes17B
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* AttackBackfire: When [[EliteMooks a Spetsnaz unit]] is brought in specifically to hunt down [[LaResistance the Wolverines,]] the commander calls an immediate end to summary executions on unarmed civilians on the grounds that the executions show that they have no idea how to control the situation and further cements support for the Wolverines and [[OccupiersOutOfOurCountry spreads anger at the Soviet occupying force.]]



* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry The whole movie is about this.

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* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: The whole movie is about this.
29th Oct '17 12:40:49 PM Forenperser
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: The Red Army does pretty vile things, like executing civilians, but the Wolverines aren't above executing a defenseless enemy soldier and [[spoiler:one of their own for selling them out]]. Many Russian soldiers, like Colonel Bella, are very human, and collaborators are just people trying to stay alive rather than evil monsters.


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* GreyAndGreyMorality: The Red Army does pretty vile things, like executing civilians, but the Wolverines aren't above executing a defenseless enemy soldier and [[spoiler:one of their own for selling them out]]. Many Russian soldiers, like Colonel Bella, are very human, and collaborators are just people trying to stay alive rather than evil monsters.
28th Oct '17 10:18:04 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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* FacingTheBulletsOneLiner: America, the Beautiful.

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* FacingTheBulletsOneLiner: America, FacingTheBulletsOneLiner:
** "America,
the Beautiful."


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*** The response he gets? [[DeadpanSnarker "Yeah, I've seen it, pal."]]
15th Jul '17 10:06:44 AM nombretomado
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** The code phrases broadcast by Radio Free America are a nod to those used to alert resistance groups during WorldWarII. "John has a long mustache" was also one of the code phrases depicted in ''Film/TheLongestDay''.

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** The code phrases broadcast by Radio Free America are a nod to those used to alert resistance groups during WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. "John has a long mustache" was also one of the code phrases depicted in ''Film/TheLongestDay''.
27th Jun '17 10:32:21 AM xcountryguy
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** ''[[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spetznaz]]'' [[ColonelBadass Colonel Strelnikov]] is easily the most dangerous and cunning foe the Wolverines contend with. But he is not a psycho or a mass-murderer--hell, he puts a stop to the mass executions of civilians in Calumet. He is a professional soldier doing his duty for his country in time of war. Even using [[spoiler: Darryl's]] family to get to the guerillas is just [[CombatPragmatist combat pragmatism]], using the most efficient method available to find and eliminate the enemy with minimal friendly casualties. Pretty much a DesignatedVillain.

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** ''[[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spetznaz]]'' [[ColonelBadass Colonel Strelnikov]] is easily the most dangerous and cunning foe the Wolverines contend with. But he is not a psycho or a mass-murderer--hell, he puts a stop to the mass executions of civilians in Calumet. He is a professional soldier doing his duty for his country in time of war. Even using [[spoiler: Darryl's]] [[spoiler:Darryl's]] family to get to the guerillas is just [[CombatPragmatist combat pragmatism]], using the most efficient method available to find and eliminate the enemy with minimal friendly casualties. Pretty much a DesignatedVillain.



* BlackAndGreyMorality: The Red Army does pretty vile things, like executing civilians, but the Wolverines aren't above executing a defenseless enemy soldier and [[spoiler: one of their own for selling them out]]. Many Russian soldiers, like Colonel Bella, are very human, and collaborators are just people trying to stay alive rather than evil monsters.
* BlackDudeDiesFirst: The History teacher at the beginning of the movie is the ''very first person'' killed onscreen when he walks up to some [[ItsRainingMen heavily armed paratroopers]] thinking they're American soldiers in training who landed in the wrong place and goes out to greet them. [[spoiler: Aardvark (the sole non-White Wolverine) is the first Wolverine to die]].

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* BlackAndGreyMorality: The Red Army does pretty vile things, like executing civilians, but the Wolverines aren't above executing a defenseless enemy soldier and [[spoiler: one [[spoiler:one of their own for selling them out]]. Many Russian soldiers, like Colonel Bella, are very human, and collaborators are just people trying to stay alive rather than evil monsters.
* BlackDudeDiesFirst: The History teacher at the beginning of the movie is the ''very first person'' killed onscreen when he walks up to some [[ItsRainingMen heavily armed paratroopers]] thinking they're American soldiers in training who landed in the wrong place and goes out to greet them. [[spoiler: Aardvark [[spoiler:Aardvark (the sole non-White Wolverine) is the first Wolverine to die]].



** Also Robert, [[spoiler: facing down a Mi-24 HIND helicopter with just his AK.]]
** When the Wolverine's attack a group of Soviet soldiers about to execute another group of civilians, before their attack an old man amongst the corralled civilians spits at the soldiers.

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** Also Robert, [[spoiler: facing [[spoiler:facing down a Mi-24 HIND helicopter with just his AK.]]
** When the Wolverine's attack a group of Soviet soldiers about to execute another group of civilians, before their attack Before an civilian execution an old man amongst the corralled civilians spits at the soldiers.soldiers. [[spoiler:Averted as the man is saved by the Wolverines.]]



* EliteMooks: Soviet ''Spetsnaz'' are brought in to track down the Wolverines. They're as effective as all the other mooks. They may however have been the ones responsible for the ambush that got [[spoiler:Robert and Toni]] killed. Colonel Strelnikov is also the one who kills [[spoiler: Jed and Matt, although Jed kills him too]].

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* EliteMooks: Soviet ''Spetsnaz'' are brought in to track down the Wolverines. They're as effective as all the other mooks. They may however have been the ones responsible for the ambush that got [[spoiler:Robert and Toni]] killed. Colonel Strelnikov is also the one who kills [[spoiler: Jed [[spoiler:Jed and Matt, although Jed kills him too]].



* ImproperlyPlacedFirearms / RareVehicles / JustPlaneWrong: Generally averted with [[WeaponsUnderstudies mock-ups]] ranging from machine guns to APCs and helicopters, though a sharp-eyed weapons buff can still tell the difference. EliteMooks use the AK-74 rifle (or at least an effective facsimile, mocked up from the same Egyptian AK copies used by the other "Soviet" extras), rarely seen in movies made before the collapse of the Iron Curtain. A mock-up of a T72 tank was so accurate it reportedly caught the attention of two CIA men who wanted to know where it had come from.

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* ImproperlyPlacedFirearms / RareVehicles / JustPlaneWrong: ImproperlyPlacedFirearms: Generally averted with [[WeaponsUnderstudies mock-ups]] ranging from machine guns to APCs [[AwesomePersonnelCarrier APCs]] and helicopters, though a sharp-eyed weapons buff can still tell the difference. EliteMooks use the AK-74 rifle (or at least an effective facsimile, mocked up from the same Egyptian AK copies used by the other "Soviet" extras), rarely seen in movies made before the collapse of the Iron Curtain. A mock-up of a T72 tank was so accurate it reportedly caught the attention of two CIA men who wanted to know where it had come from.



* MutualKill: [[spoiler: Jed and Strelnikov.]]

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* MutualKill: [[spoiler: Jed [[spoiler:Jed and Strelnikov.]]



* CaliforniaDoubling: The movie was filmed in Las Vegas. New Mexico. A small town where the plains and mountains meet about 100 miles south of the Colorado line. With the exception of a few mentions that they're in Calumet, Colorado, no effort is made at all to hide its actual location. New Mexico license plates are even visible everywhere. Likely a case of unfortunate implications as moving the setting to Colorado likely justified the monochrome casting. In fairness it might also have to do with geographic ignorance where many believe New Mexico is not part of the United States. New Mexico magazine even has a humorous section titled "One of our Fifty is Missing" to show examples of this ignorance.

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* %%* CaliforniaDoubling: The movie was filmed in Las Vegas. New Mexico. A small town where the plains and mountains meet about 100 miles south of the Colorado line. With the exception of a few mentions that they're in Calumet, Colorado, no effort is made at all to hide its actual location. New Mexico license plates are even visible everywhere. Likely a case of unfortunate implications as moving the setting to Colorado likely justified the monochrome casting. In fairness it might also have to do with geographic ignorance where many believe New Mexico is not part of the United States. New Mexico magazine even has a humorous section titled "One of our Fifty is Missing" to show examples of this ignorance.



* TankGoodness: One scene features a long-range duel between two Soviet T-72 tanks and an American M1 Abrams tank in the distance. One-on-one, the Abrams should have an edge over a single T-72, but the US tank is outnumbered and in the open. The Soviet tanks are camouflaged, [[spoiler: and a mortally wounded Tanner [[HeroicSacrifice sets off a smoke grenade to mark the Soviet's position for the American tank]], while the Wolverines knock out the second one with an RPG]]

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* TankGoodness: One scene features a long-range duel between two Soviet T-72 tanks and an American M1 Abrams tank in the distance. One-on-one, the Abrams should have an edge over a single T-72, but the US tank is outnumbered and in the open. The Soviet tanks are camouflaged, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and a mortally wounded Tanner [[HeroicSacrifice sets off a smoke grenade to mark the Soviet's position for the American tank]], while the Wolverines knock out the second one with an RPG]]



* WeNeedADistraction: The last stand between Jed and Matt and the Soviet army was meant to have their fire drawn on them, so that Danny and Erica can go to the allied occupied territories. [[spoiler: It works at the cost of the brothers' lives.]]

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* WeNeedADistraction: The last stand between Jed and Matt and the Soviet army was meant to have their fire drawn on them, so that Danny and Erica can go to the allied occupied territories. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It works at the cost of the brothers' lives.]]
26th May '17 7:54:09 PM SCE2AUX
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After the opening narration, we cut to a classroom of teenagers in scenic Colorado. Their little piece of America gets invaded by Soviet and Cuban paratroopers. Six students manage to get away in [[TheHero Jed Eckert]]'s truck and escape to the mountains, where they become guerillas against the new communist regime. They're joined by two girls, Toni and Erica, and later [[TrappedBehindEnemyLines downed pilot]] Colonel Andy Tanner, who teaches them some basic military tactics. Oh, and they have guns.

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After the opening narration, we cut to a classroom of teenagers in scenic Colorado. Their little piece of America gets invaded by Soviet and Cuban paratroopers. Six students manage to get away in [[TheHero Jed Eckert]]'s truck and escape to the mountains, where they become guerillas against the new communist regime. They're joined by two girls, Toni and Erica, and later [[TrappedBehindEnemyLines downed pilot]] Lieutenant Colonel Andy Tanner, who teaches them some basic military tactics. Oh, and they have guns.
9th Apr '17 4:05:19 PM Dingbot
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* CaliforniaDoubling: The movie was filmed in Las Vegas. New Mexico. A small town where the plains and mountains meet about 100 miles south of the Colorado line. With the exception of a few mentions that they're in Calumet, Colorado no effort is made at all to hide it's actual location. New Mexico license plates are even visible everywhere. Likely a case of unfortuate implications as moving the setting to Colorado likely justified the monochrome casting. In fairness it might also have to do with Geographic ignorance where many believe New Mexico is not part of the United States. New Mexico magazine even has a humorous section titled "One of our Fifty is Missing" to show examples of this ignorance.
* NoDelaysForTheWicked: The Russians and their communist allies move incredibly fast in the intial invasion. Airborne troops making it all the way to Colorado in the first wave? Implausible but possible. That doesn't quite explain how Russian armored vehicles are already in town to support the paratroopers and set up roadblocks during the initial assault. Mexico is about 600 miles from the middle of Colorado(a 10 hour drive, assuming no stops). Apparently the Russians were hauling ass north, ran into no resistance and didn't have to stop to refuel to make it up there without being noticed and before the school day ended.

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* CaliforniaDoubling: The movie was filmed in Las Vegas. New Mexico. A small town where the plains and mountains meet about 100 miles south of the Colorado line. With the exception of a few mentions that they're in Calumet, Colorado Colorado, no effort is made at all to hide it's its actual location. New Mexico license plates are even visible everywhere. Likely a case of unfortuate unfortunate implications as moving the setting to Colorado likely justified the monochrome casting. In fairness it might also have to do with Geographic geographic ignorance where many believe New Mexico is not part of the United States. New Mexico magazine even has a humorous section titled "One of our Fifty is Missing" to show examples of this ignorance.
* NoDelaysForTheWicked: The Russians and their communist allies move incredibly fast in the intial initial invasion. Airborne troops making it all the way to Colorado in the first wave? Implausible but possible. That doesn't quite explain how Russian armored vehicles are already in town to support the paratroopers and set up roadblocks during the initial assault. Mexico is about 600 miles from the middle of Colorado(a 10 hour drive, assuming no stops). Apparently the Russians were hauling ass north, ran into no resistance and didn't have to stop to refuel to make it up there without being noticed and before the school day ended.



** Still doesn't explain what happened to the other two-thirds of the nuclear triad. You know, the dozen or so Ohio Class Ballistic Missle Submarines just waiting for the order to fire to come down, or Strategic Air Command, which had the distinct tendency to keep Bombers in the air at all times, just in case SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THIS HAPPENED.

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** Still doesn't explain what happened to the other two-thirds of the nuclear triad. You know, the dozen or so Ohio Class Ballistic Missle Submarines Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines just waiting for the order to fire to come down, or Strategic Air Command, which had the distinct tendency to keep Bombers in the air at all times, just in case SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THIS HAPPENED.



* ShmuckBait: The Wolverines see a Soviet truck drop some supplies on the road so clumsily that it screams too easy, yet they get them without suspicion and pay the price as a Soviet helicopter attacks.

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* ShmuckBait: The Wolverines see a Soviet truck drop some supplies on the road so clumsily that it screams too easy, yet they get them claim the supplies without suspicion and pay the price as a Soviet helicopter attacks.



* ThirdActStupidity: Near the end of the movie, Jed gets the drop on Colonel Strelnikov by sneaking up behind him. But instead of just shooting him, he first announces his presence with the line "You lose". This gives Strelnikov enough time to open fire on Jed before he dies, inflicting critical injuries.

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* ThirdActStupidity: Near the end of the movie, Jed gets the drop on Colonel Strelnikov by sneaking up behind him. But instead of just shooting him, he first announces his presence with the line line, "You lose". This gives Strelnikov enough time to open fire on Jed before he dies, inflicting critical injuries.



* WarIsHell: Even when things are going well for the Wolverines, WorldWarIII is a living nightmare. We know that the communists are committing atrocitities, and even see some of them, yet almost every Soviet soldier seen up close is a [[NotSoDifferent regular wide-eyed kid seeing the world in the army]], not an evil faceless mook, so killing them is not exactly something to feel good about. Guerrilla attacks are punished by massacring civilians. The Wolverines are starving in the wilderness. The emotional toll on Matt, Aardvark, Toni, Erica, and especially Robert and Jed, is unspeakable. And according to Col. Tanner, it's a lot worse up in Denver.

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* WarIsHell: Even when things are going well for the Wolverines, WorldWarIII is a living nightmare. We know that the communists are committing atrocitities, atrocities, and even see some of them, yet almost every Soviet soldier seen up close is a [[NotSoDifferent regular wide-eyed kid seeing the world in the army]], not an evil faceless mook, so killing them is not exactly something to feel good about. Guerrilla attacks are punished by massacring civilians. The Wolverines are starving in the wilderness. The emotional toll on Matt, Aardvark, Toni, Erica, and especially Robert and Jed, is unspeakable. And according to Col. Tanner, it's a lot worse up in Denver.



* WeNeedADistraction: The last stand between Jed and Matt and the Soviet army was meant to have their fire drawn on them, so that Danny and Erica can go to the allied occupied territories. [[spoiler: It works at the cost of The Brother's lives.]]

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* WeNeedADistraction: The last stand between Jed and Matt and the Soviet army was meant to have their fire drawn on them, so that Danny and Erica can go to the allied occupied territories. [[spoiler: It works at the cost of The Brother's the brothers' lives.]]
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