History Film / RaidersOfTheLostArk

27th May '16 4:36:23 PM Candi
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* PinballProtagonist: Indy. It's been repeatedly pointed out that, aside from Marion being dead, the film probably would have had exactly the same ending if he hadn't gotten involved.
** Actually, the outcome would probably have been ''better'' if he hadn't gotten involved. Belloq would never have had a chance to open the Ark himself on the island, and the Ark would have been flown straight to Berlin on the flying wing like they originally planned. Once there, it would have been opened (in all probability) by ''Hitler himself''. Cue face-melting... though it depends on whether Marion told Toht, under torture, where the actual headpiece to the Staff of Ra was. Without it, or with the incomplete one they actually ended up with, the Nazis would never have found the Ark's proper resting place, period. Indy's involvement may have been necessary to destroy any of the bad guys at all.
** Actually, it is hard to believe that Hitler himself would have opened the ark. According to [[http://maddogmovies.com/almost/scripts/raidersstoryconference1978.pdf this]], Hitler would have declared war on the world as soon as he had recovered the ark, and that would have led to Germany's victory.

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* PinballProtagonist: Indy. It's been repeatedly pointed out that, aside from Marion being dead, the film probably would have had exactly the same ending if he hadn't gotten involved.
** Actually, the outcome would probably have been ''better''
involved, if he hadn't gotten involved.not better. Belloq would never have had a chance to open the Ark himself on the island, and the Ark would have been flown straight to Berlin on the flying wing like they originally planned. Once there, it would have been opened (in all probability) by ''Hitler himself''.in the presence of the German leaders, including Hitler. Cue face-melting... though it depends on whether Marion told Toht, under torture, where the actual headpiece to the Staff of Ra was. Without it, or with the incomplete one they actually ended up with, the Nazis would never have found the Ark's proper resting place, period. Indy's involvement may have been necessary to destroy any of the bad guys at all.
** Actually, it is hard to believe that Hitler himself would have opened the ark. According to [[http://maddogmovies.com/almost/scripts/raidersstoryconference1978.pdf this]], Hitler would have declared war on the world as soon as he had recovered the ark, and that would have led to Germany's victory.
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24th May '16 2:58:15 PM Kadorhal
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It takes place a few years before WorldWarII, when UsefulNotes/NaziGermany was searching for supernatural artifacts. In this case, they were searching for TheArkOfTheCovenant, which held the remains of the tablets of [[Literature/TheBible the Ten Commandments]]. After getting word of this, Dr. Indiana Jones is sent to recover it, due to him knowing some people that had clues to where the Ark is held.

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It takes place a few years before WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, when UsefulNotes/NaziGermany was searching for supernatural artifacts. In this case, they were searching for TheArkOfTheCovenant, which held the remains of the tablets of [[Literature/TheBible the Ten Commandments]]. After getting word of this, Dr. Indiana Jones is sent to recover it, due to him knowing some people that had clues to where the Ark is held.



The film itself was a massive hit, but due to the {{Troubled Production}}s of ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'', and ''Film/{{Jaws}}'', studios were reluctant to fund a film by ''both'' GeorgeLucas and Creator/StevenSpielberg, despite those respective films also being massive hits. Creator/{{Paramount}} eventually agreed to fund the film, although the series belongs to Lucasfilm (and now to Creator/{{Disney}}). The production, while having some problems (mainly the majority of the crew being ill in Tunisia), it wrapped ahead of time and on-budget (something Spielberg felt was important). Creator/LawrenceKasdan was brought in to write a screenplay based on ideas born during story meetings between Lucas, Spielberg and Kasdan. The screenplay was so good that Lucas asked Kasdan to write the final draft of the first ''StarWars'' sequel, ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''.

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The film itself was a massive hit, but due to the {{Troubled Production}}s of ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'', and ''Film/{{Jaws}}'', studios were reluctant to fund a film by ''both'' GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/StevenSpielberg, despite those respective films also being massive hits. Creator/{{Paramount}} eventually agreed to fund the film, although the series belongs to Lucasfilm (and now to Creator/{{Disney}}). The production, while having some problems (mainly the majority of the crew being ill in Tunisia), it wrapped ahead of time and on-budget (something Spielberg felt was important). Creator/LawrenceKasdan was brought in to write a screenplay based on ideas born during story meetings between Lucas, Spielberg and Kasdan. The screenplay was so good that Lucas asked Kasdan to write the final draft of the first ''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' sequel, ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''.



* AllThereInTheScript: Toht's name is only revealed in the credits and in an old TV ad, and much, much later in ''[[LEGOAdaptationGame LEGO Indiana Jones]]''.

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* AllThereInTheScript: Toht's name is only revealed in the credits and in an old TV ad, and much, much later in ''[[LEGOAdaptationGame ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationGame LEGO Indiana Jones]]''.



** There was a real Nazi organization that travelled the world looking for ancient artifacts, the ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe Ahnenerbe.]]''

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** There was a real Nazi organization that travelled traveled the world looking for ancient artifacts, the ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe Ahnenerbe.]]''



* ArtisticLicenseReligion: [[FridgeBrilliance In-universe:]] Marcus speculates that the Nazis want the Ark because "an army that carried the Ark before it is invincible." In the Bible, every time the army of Israel carried the Ark into battle without God's specific direction to do so, they were SOUNDLY trounced and usually lost the Ark as well. For the capturing nation, at best, it would remain inert. At worst... well, let's just say it was usually hastily returned, often with a request to please ask the Lord to stop smiting them now.
** Although Hitler ''did'' say several things in real life indicating that he believed he was specifically directed by God to take over the world. Whether it was a lie he used to motivate his followers or [[TautologicalTemplar he actually believed it]] is up for debate.

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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: [[FridgeBrilliance In-universe:]] Marcus speculates that the Nazis want the Ark because "an army that carried the Ark before it is invincible." In the Bible, every time the army of Israel carried the Ark into battle without God's specific direction to do so, they were SOUNDLY ''soundly'' trounced and usually lost the Ark as well. For the capturing nation, at best, it would remain inert. At worst... well, let's just say it was usually hastily returned, often with a request to please ask the Lord to stop smiting them now.
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now. Although Hitler ''did'' say several things in real life indicating that he believed he was specifically directed by God to take over the world. Whether it was a lie he used to motivate his followers or [[TautologicalTemplar he actually believed it]] is up for debate.



* ImproperlyPlacedFirearms: Many various soldiers and other armed militants are equipped with Walther P38 pistols or [=MP40=] submachine guns, guns that did not exist in the year the movie takes place in (1936). The [=MP40=] was first produced in 1940 and the P38 was first produced in 1938. Also near the climax of the movie, Jones is seen holding an RPG-2 rocket launcher, which was not produced until 1949. The German army had no handheld or shoulder fired rocket launchers in 1936, though they would soon get them in the 1940s

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* ImproperlyPlacedFirearms: Many various Various soldiers and other armed militants are equipped with Walther P38 pistols or [=MP40=] submachine guns, guns that did not exist in the year the movie takes place in (1936).1936. The [=MP40=] was first produced in 1940 and the P38 was first produced in 1938. Indy is at two separate points seen with variations of the Browning Hi-Power; the first time, in the bar shootout, is a bit of a stretch but still at least possible (the weapon had entered production the year before, though at the time every one of them was for military contracts, on top of FN reaching an agreement with Colt to not sell the pistol in the United States). The second time on the ''Bantu Wind'' is pure AnachronismStew, however - he's using a Canadian variant, the Inglis Hi-Power (distinguished by a noticeable hump below the rear sight) that didn't enter production until 1944. Also near the climax of the movie, Jones is seen holding an RPG-2 rocket launcher, which was not produced until 1949. The German army had no No military even ''had'' handheld or shoulder fired shoulder-fired rocket launchers in 1936, though 1936; they would soon get them in came about during the 1940swar to replace the older anti-tank rifles.



-->'''Indiana''': Meet me at Omar's. Be ready for me. I'm going after that truck.
-->'''Sallah''': How?
-->'''Indiana''': I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!

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-->'''Indiana''': Meet me at Omar's. Be ready for me. I'm going after that truck.
-->'''Sallah''': How?
-->'''Indiana''':
truck.\\
'''Sallah''': How?\\
'''Indiana''':
I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!
15th May '16 2:17:07 PM Geoduck
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* EvenTheGuysWantHim: University professor Indy is being openly lusted over by all his female students, and then one of the males leaves an apple on his desk.
30th Apr '16 6:44:14 AM TheWanderer
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* SelectiveObliviousness: Oh boy does the pilot of the flying wing have it. He [[FailedASpotCheck fails to notice Indy sneaking around his plane]], doesn't hear the first mechanic first challenging Indy or the sounds of the two of them fighting, (a fight which includes the mechanic's wrench hitting the plane, the head of the wrench being cut off by the plane's propeller, and the mechanic being knocked out due in part to getting his head bounced off the plane) but the instant the second mechanic (the GiantMook) calls out to Indy, the pilot whips around in surprise to see what's going on.

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* SelectiveObliviousness: Oh boy does the pilot of the flying wing have it. He [[FailedASpotCheck fails to notice Indy sneaking around his plane]], doesn't hear the first mechanic first challenging Indy or the sounds of the two of them fighting, (a fight which includes the mechanic's wrench hitting the plane, the head of the wrench being cut off by the plane's propeller, and the mechanic being knocked out due in part to getting his head bounced off the plane) but the instant the second mechanic (the GiantMook) calls out to Indy, the pilot whips around in surprise to see what's going on. [[https://youtu.be/rvQEJH_6kzs?t=51s See for yourself]].


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* TemptingFate: Shortly after recovering the Ark from the Wells of Souls, Colonel Dietrich is seen drinking and offers Belloq a drink, toasting to "Our success in the desert", not knowing that at that very moment Indy is in the middle of trying to spoil their success by hijacking the plane to be used to fly the Ark out. Belloq, for his part, refuses to tempt fate and says that he'll only drink to success "When we are ''very'' far from here."
30th Apr '16 6:32:26 AM TheWanderer
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* BloodKnight: The GiantMook Indy fights by the plane. In fact, it works against the interest of the Germans, as at one point the mook knocks Indy down and the pilot gets ready to shoot Indy... but the GiantMook blocks his shot when he steps forward to continue the fight with Indy.



* CombatPragmatist: One of the most famous examples in all of film; Indy, after going through a lengthy fight and chase sequence, is approached by a [[MasterSwordsman villainous swordsman]] who proceeds to show off a few fancy sword moves with his {{BFS}}. Indy opts simply to [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim pull out his gun and shoot the swordsman]]. This wasn't in the original script and was a ThrowItIn by Creator/HarrisonFord who had dysentery at the time of the scene and wasn't up for the scripted fight.

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* CombatPragmatist: CombatPragmatist:
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One of the most famous examples in all of film; Indy, after going through a lengthy fight and chase sequence, is approached by a [[MasterSwordsman villainous swordsman]] who proceeds to show off a few fancy sword moves with his {{BFS}}. Indy opts simply to [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim pull out his gun and shoot the swordsman]]. This wasn't in the original script and was a ThrowItIn by Creator/HarrisonFord who had dysentery at the time of the scene and wasn't up for the scripted fight.fight.
** In the scene where he fights the GiantMook mechanic by the plane, Indy practically runs down a checklist of pragmatic/[[FightingDirty dirty]] fighting moves. Pulling a LookADistraction and then launching a surprise attack? Check. [[ManBitesMan Biting]]? Check. (And bonus points for it not being a last resort either.) [[AHandfulForAnEye A fist full of sand to the eyes]]? Check. Attempting to reach his fallen gun with the intention of shooting a completely unarmed man? Check!
* TheDayTheMusicLied: During his fight with the GiantMook, there's a bit where Indy sees his fallen gun lying on the ground, and a [[ThemeMusicPowerUp triumphant version of his theme song starts playing]], and he tries to go for the gun with the intent of using it to end his fight... and then he's cut off from reaching it and the theme song peters out almost immediately.



* DisneyVillainDeath: Some Nazis wind up flying off a cliff in their car, courtesy of Indy.

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* DisneyVillainDeath: Some Nazis Gobler and some Nazi pals wind up flying off a cliff in their car, courtesy of Indy.car.


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** The propeller from the plane comes into play twice before it slices the GiantMook to pieces. First, before taking on the GiantMook, Indy fights a regular sized mechanic who attacks him with a wrench. The fight ends just after Indy wrestles the wrench into the path of the propeller, which cuts off the head of the wrench. The second time, Indy himself almost runs headfirst right into the propeller himself during the middle of their fight.


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* SelectiveObliviousness: Oh boy does the pilot of the flying wing have it. He [[FailedASpotCheck fails to notice Indy sneaking around his plane]], doesn't hear the first mechanic first challenging Indy or the sounds of the two of them fighting, (a fight which includes the mechanic's wrench hitting the plane, the head of the wrench being cut off by the plane's propeller, and the mechanic being knocked out due in part to getting his head bounced off the plane) but the instant the second mechanic (the GiantMook) calls out to Indy, the pilot whips around in surprise to see what's going on.
30th Apr '16 5:59:55 AM ajbit26
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* DisneyVillainDeath: Gobler and some Nazi pals wind up flying off a cliff in their car.

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* DisneyVillainDeath: Gobler and some Nazi pals Some Nazis wind up flying off a cliff in their car.car, courtesy of Indy.
29th Apr '16 7:10:50 PM Jarfulous
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* IndyPloy : Lampshaded.

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* IndyPloy : Lampshaded. Indiana Jones is, of course, the TropeNamer.
27th Apr '16 10:25:40 AM TheHestinator
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* MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness: It rates a 7 (arguably a hard one), due to [[spoiler:Satipo's (Alfred Molina) corpse being shown, bloodily impaled through the bare forehead and neck by spikes, the Ratty Nepalese's (Malcolm Weaver) blood-spurting headshot, the German Mechanic (Pat Roach) being ground up by an airplane propeller (offscreen), with blood splattering all over the side of the aircraft, Colonel Herman Dietrich's (Wolf Kahler) imploding head, Arnold Ernst Toht's (Ronald Lacey) face melting off, and René Emile Belloq's (Paul Freeman) head exploding]].
29th Feb '16 11:58:31 PM harryhenry
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** The plane waiting for Indy at the beginning of the film has a registration number. It's "OB-CPO", an obvious reference to Obi-Wan Kenobi and C-3PO from ''Star Wars''.



* SmugSnake: Belloq.

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* %%* SmugSnake: Belloq.
16th Feb '16 4:58:28 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** The novelization reveals that Marion was only ''14 years old'' when she and Indy (who was 24 at the time) began their relationship. This explains her "I was a child! It was wrong and you knew it!" comment.

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** The novelization reveals that Marion was only ''14 ''fifteen years old'' when she and Indy (who was 24 in his twenties at the time) began their relationship. This explains her "I was a child! It was wrong and you knew it!" comment.
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