History Film / MarginCall

22nd Oct '16 11:11:40 PM Arcorann
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-->'''Tuld''': So you think we might have put a few people out of business today, that it's all for naught. You've been doing that ''every day'' for almost forty years, Sam. And if this is all for naught then so is everything out there. It's just money; it's made up. Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don't have to kill each other just to get something to eat. It's not ''wrong''. And it's certainly no different today than it's ever been. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania 1637]], 1797, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1819 1819]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837 37]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1857 57]], 84, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1901 1901]], 07, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929 29]], 1937, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis 1974]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987) 1987]]-Jesus, didn't that fuck up me up good-92, 97, 2000 and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308 whatever we want to call this]]. It's all just the same thing over and over; we can't help ourselves. And you and I can't control it, or stop it, or even slow it. Or even ever-so-slightly alter it. We just react. And we make a lot money if we get it right. And we get left by the side of the side of the road if we get it wrong. And there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers, happy foxes and sad sacks, fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may be more of us today than there's ever been... but the percentages... they stay exactly the same.

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-->'''Tuld''': So you think we might have put a few people out of business today, that it's all for naught. You've been doing that ''every day'' for almost forty years, Sam. And if this is all for naught then so is everything out there. It's just money; it's made up. Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don't have to kill each other just to get something to eat. It's not ''wrong''. And it's certainly no different today than it's ever been. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania 1637]], 1797, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1819 1819]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837 37]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1857 57]], 84, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1901 1901]], 07, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929 29]], 1937, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis 1974]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987) 1987]]-Jesus, didn't that fuck up me up good-92, 97, 2000 and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308 org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008 whatever we want to call this]]. It's all just the same thing over and over; we can't help ourselves. And you and I can't control it, or stop it, or even slow it. Or even ever-so-slightly alter it. We just react. And we make a lot money if we get it right. And we get left by the side of the side of the road if we get it wrong. And there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers, happy foxes and sad sacks, fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may be more of us today than there's ever been... but the percentages... they stay exactly the same.
29th Feb '16 3:48:43 PM poi99
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** Also has shades of NoCommunitiesWereHarmed. The firm remains unnamed, but is a sort of combination of Lehman Bros, Bear Sterns, and Goldman Sachs. Indeed, when the original script was still unproduced, its Blacklist logline explicitly stated that the film was about Lehman Brothers.

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** Also has shades of NoCommunitiesWereHarmed. The firm remains unnamed, but is a sort of combination of Lehman Bros, Bear Sterns, and Goldman Sachs. Indeed, when the original script was still unproduced, its the film's Blacklist logline explicitly stated that the film was about "the last 24 hours of Lehman Brothers."
23rd Feb '16 6:08:05 PM Willbyr
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->There are three ways to make a living in this business; be first, be smarter, or cheat. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Now, I don't cheat]]. And although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a ''hell'' of a lot easier to just be first.\\
-- '''John Tuld'''

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->There are three ways to make a living in this business; be first, be smarter, or cheat. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Now, I don't cheat]]. And although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a ''hell'' of a lot easier to just be first.\\
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'''John Tuld'''


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8th Dec '15 4:34:01 AM Randallw201238
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-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might to a young small child. Or a golden retriever.

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-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might to a young small young, small, child. Or a golden retriever.
8th Dec '15 4:33:29 AM Randallw201238
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-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might me a young small child. Or a golden retriever.

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-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might me to a young small child. Or a golden retriever.
8th Dec '15 4:32:15 AM Randallw201238
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* ArmorPiercingResponse: Sam emphatically tells Tuld his plan to sell of the toxic assets will not only mean no-one will trust the firm again, but no-one will even trust the ''market''. Tuld points out that if they don't sell the toxic assets there probably won't be a firm to save.

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* ArmorPiercingResponse: Sam emphatically tells Tuld his plan to sell of off the toxic assets will not only mean no-one will trust the firm again, but no-one will even trust the ''market''. Tuld points out that if they don't sell the toxic assets there probably won't be a firm to save.
1st Dec '15 2:02:32 PM HarfynnTeuport
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* ArtisticLicenseEconomics: The top executives of the bank don't understand the products they sell. Which unfortunately is [[RealityIsUnrealistic realistic]].
-->'''Will Emerson''': I don't even know what it is that you guys ''do''.
-->'''Sam Rogers''': I can't read that, explain it to me in English.
-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might me a young small child. Or a golden retriever.
** It should be noted that all of them realize the problem once it is explained in English, they simply didn't understand the intricacies of the model that was used. Though the last character listed, the CEO, is the slowest to realize it.



* SpeechCentricWork: It's a rare moment in the film where someone isn't talking.



* YouFailEconomicsForever: The top executives of the bank don't understand the products they sell. Which unfortunately is [[RealityIsUnrealistic realistic]].
-->'''Will Emerson''': I don't even know what it is that you guys ''do''.
-->'''Sam Rogers''': I can't read that, explain it to me in English.
-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might me a young small child. Or a golden retriever.
** It should be noted that all of them realize the problem once it is explained in English, they simply didn't understand the intricacies of the model that was used. Though the last character listed, the CEO, is the slowest to realize it.
1st Dec '15 12:38:45 PM HarfynnTeuport
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-->Peter Sullivan: Are you sure it's the only... er, the right thing to do?
-->Sam Rogers: For who?
-->Peter Sullivan: I'm not sure.
-->Sam Rogers: Neither am I.

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-->Peter Sullivan: -->'''Peter Sullivan''': Are you sure it's the only... er, the right thing to do?
-->Sam Rogers: -->'''Sam Rogers''': For who?
-->Peter Sullivan: -->'''Peter Sullivan''': I'm not sure.
-->Sam Rogers: -->'''Sam Rogers''': Neither am I.
1st Dec '15 12:35:27 PM HarfynnTeuport
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A drama about a bank during the financial crisis of 2007-2010. The story centers on a trading firm that recently went through a cycle of layoffs. One of the laid off staffers, Eric Dale, passes on a program that he was in the middle of working on to his protege, Peter Sullivan. Later that night, Peter examines the program and discovers a fatal problem in the firm's holdings and this discovery propels the movie.

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->There are three ways to make a living in this business; be first, be smarter, or cheat. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Now, I don't cheat]]. And although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a ''hell'' of a lot easier to just be first.\\
-- '''John Tuld'''

A drama about a set in an investment bank during the financial crisis of 2007-2010. 2007-2010 written and directed by J.C. Chandor with an AllStarCast. The story centers on a New York trading firm floor that recently went has just gone through a cycle of layoffs. One of the laid off laid-off staffers, financial risk analyst Eric Dale, passes on a program that he was in the middle of working on to his protege, protegé, Peter Sullivan. Later that night, Peter examines the program and discovers a fatal problem in the firm's holdings and this discovery propels the movie.movie.



* ArmorPiercingResponse: Sam emphatically tells Tuld his plan to sell of the toxic assets will not only mean no-one will trust the firm again, but no-one will even trust the ''market''. Tuld points out that if they don't sell the toxic assets there probably won't be a firm to save.
-->'''Sam''': You will never sell anything to those people ''ever again''.
-->'''Tuld''': I understand.
-->'''Sam''': Do you?
-->'''Tuld''': Do ''you''? This is IT! I'm telling you, this is '''it'''!
* BasedOnATrueStory: The events are based on the real-life build up to the 2008 financial crisis and the collapse of Lehman Brothers. See also NoCelebritiesWereHarmed below.
* BlackAndGreyMorality: Numerous people point out on several occasions that their actions are about to result in financial meltdown. Numerous other characters point out that if they don't act, someone else will do it first and ruin ''them''.



* ClusterFBomb: All over the place. Not surprising since much of the film revolves meetings discussing extremely high stakes under considerable time pressure.



* EvilBrit: John Tuld

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* EvilBrit: John TuldTuld. He's the most ruthless person in the film by a country mile.



* HistoryRepeats: Tuld points out that [[LongList financial crises have been around for as long as finance]]... and that there's always money to be made coming out of them in a speech that essentially puts a sugar-coating on HumansAreBastards.
-->'''Tuld''': So you think we might have put a few people out of business today, that it's all for naught. You've been doing that ''every day'' for almost forty years, Sam. And if this is all for naught then so is everything out there. It's just money; it's made up. Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don't have to kill each other just to get something to eat. It's not ''wrong''. And it's certainly no different today than it's ever been. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania 1637]], 1797, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1819 1819]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837 37]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1857 57]], 84, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1901 1901]], 07, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929 29]], 1937, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis 1974]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987) 1987]]-Jesus, didn't that fuck up me up good-92, 97, 2000 and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308 whatever we want to call this]]. It's all just the same thing over and over; we can't help ourselves. And you and I can't control it, or stop it, or even slow it. Or even ever-so-slightly alter it. We just react. And we make a lot money if we get it right. And we get left by the side of the side of the road if we get it wrong. And there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers, happy foxes and sad sacks, fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may be more of us today than there's ever been... but the percentages... they stay exactly the same.



-->Will Emerson: Jesus, Seth. Listen, if you really wanna do this with your life you have to believe you're necessary and you are. People wanna live like this in their cars and big fuckin' houses they can't even pay for, then you're necessary. The only reason that they all get to continue living like kings is cause we got our fingers on the scales in their favor. I take my hand off and then the whole world gets really fuckin' fair really fuckin' quickly and nobody actually wants that. They say they do but they don't. They want what we have to give them but they also wanna, you know, play innocent and pretend they have no idea where it came from. Well, thats more hypocrisy than I'm willing to swallow, so fuck em. Fuck normal people. You know, the funny thing is, tomorrow if all of this goes tits up they're gonna crucify us for being too reckless but if we're wrong, and everything gets back on track? Well then, the same people are gonna laugh till they piss their pants cause we're gonna all look like the biggest pussies God ever let through the door.

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-->Will Emerson: -->'''Will Emerson''': Jesus, Seth. Listen, if you really wanna do this with your life you have to believe you're necessary and you are. People wanna live like this in their cars and big fuckin' houses they can't even pay for, then you're necessary. The only reason that they all get to continue living like kings is cause we got our fingers on the scales in their favor. I take my hand off and then the whole world gets really fuckin' fair really fuckin' quickly and nobody actually wants that. They say they do do, but they don't. They want what we have to give them but they also wanna, you know, play innocent and pretend they have no idea where it came from. Well, thats more hypocrisy than I'm willing to swallow, so fuck em.'em. Fuck normal people. You know, the funny thing is, tomorrow if all of this goes tits up they're gonna crucify us for being too reckless but if we're wrong, and everything gets back on track? Well then, the same people are gonna laugh till they piss their pants cause we're gonna all look like the biggest pussies God ever let through the door.



* LaymansTerms: Almost all of the executives don't understand the nitty-gritty details of their own trade portfolio, nor of the risk models the valuations are based on, so Peter frequently provides simple explanations. Doubles as an {{Infodump}} for the audience.



* NoNonsenseNemesis: Tuld is this in spades especially to the more ethically upstanding Sam. He's relentlessly pragmatic in initiating a market crash.
* OhCrap: The second act of the film is essentially a long string of [[OhCrap Oh Craps]] progressing higher up the pecking order until they reach the CEO.
* OnlyInItForTheMoney: Pretty much everyone.



** Eric [[spoiler:is dragged into the office on the day of the fire sale and paid $176,471 an hour to do absolutely nothing.]]



* ReasonableAuthorityFigures: Peter's reception by the many different levels of bosses he meets is limited to well-justified concern of if he got an "eight trillion dollar equation" right. It goes remarkably smoothly considering he's telling said bosses the world is going to end, the firm may not survive, and everyone is going to lose millions (in Tuld's case, implied to be ''hundreds of millions'') and/or their jobs.
* RightHandVersusLeftHand: When Eric Dale is laid off in the opening scene, he holds the key to what is about to happen. Though his associate is able to finish his work, throughout the movie the firm is now looking for him but can't find him because when he was laid off they turned off his cell phone.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigures: Peter's reception by the many different levels of bosses he meets is limited to well-justified concern of if he got an "eight trillion "eight-trillion dollar equation" right. It goes remarkably smoothly considering he's telling said bosses the world is going to end, the firm may not survive, and everyone is going to lose millions (in Tuld's case, implied to be ''hundreds of millions'') and/or their jobs.
jobs.
* RightHandVersusLeftHand: When Eric Dale is laid off in the opening scene, he holds the key to what is about to happen. Though his associate is able to finish his work, throughout the movie the firm is now looking for him but can't find him because when he was laid off they turned off his cell phone.



* RuleOfSymbolism: The dog.
* RuleOfThree: "There are three ways to make a living in this business; be first, be smart, or cheat!" After saying this, Tuld says they have to go with the first option.

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* RuleOfSymbolism: The dog.
dog. The sound of Sam digging the grave plays over the credits.
* RuleOfThree: "There are three ways to make a living in this business; be first, be smart, or cheat!" After saying this, Tuld says they have to go with the first option.The page quote.



* YouFailEconomicsForever: The top executives of the bank don't understand the products they sell. Which unfortunately is realistic.
-->John Tuld: Explain it to me if I were a small child. Or a golden retriever.
-->Will Emerson: I don't even know what it is that you guys do.
-->Sam Rogers: I can't read that, explain it to me in English.
** It should be noted that all of them realize it once it is explained in English, they simply didn't understand the intricacies of the model that was used. Though the first character listed, the CEO, is the slowest to realize it.
* VillainProtagonist: All of the main characters qualify to some extent. While several characters question the morality of what they are doing, none of them actually do anything to stop it. This is exemplified by the two most sympathetic characters:

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* TakeAThirdOption: Defied by Tuld; see the page quote. The magnitude of the diaster proves to be so great that, coupled with the risks of one of their competitors figuring it out before they do, there's only one option open and it must be executed instantly.
* YouFailEconomicsForever: The top executives of the bank don't understand the products they sell. Which unfortunately is realistic.
-->John Tuld: Explain
[[RealityIsUnrealistic realistic]].
-->'''Will Emerson''': I don't even know what it is that you guys ''do''.
-->'''Sam Rogers''': I can't read that, explain
it to me if I were in English.
-->'''John Tuld''': Maybe you could tell me what you think is going on here. And please, speak as you might me
a young small child. Or a golden retriever.
-->Will Emerson: I don't even know what it is that you guys do.
-->Sam Rogers: I can't read that, explain it to me in English.
** It should be noted that all of them realize it the problem once it is explained in English, they simply didn't understand the intricacies of the model that was used. Though the first last character listed, the CEO, is the slowest to realize it.
it.
* VillainProtagonist: All of the main characters qualify to some extent. While several characters question the morality of what they are doing, none of them actually do anything to stop it. This is exemplified by the two most sympathetic characters: characters:
29th Sep '15 3:30:40 PM missmoon
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* RippedFromTheHeadlines: Although not based upon any specific bank, the situation was common. However, some reviewers thought the actions of the bank were a justifiable way of protecting their stockholders but most viewed the bank's actions as unethical and even criminal.

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* RippedFromTheHeadlines: Although not based upon any specific bank, the situation was common. However, some reviewers thought the actions of the bank were a justifiable way of protecting their stockholders but most viewed the bank's actions as unethical and even criminal. And in a strange coincidence, the film was released right around the same time the Occupy Wall Street protests started.
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