History Film / KramerVsKramer

29th Nov '16 5:52:29 AM 06tele
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* AdaptationalHeroism: In the novel, Joanna is much more self-centered and narcissistic, whereas in the movie, she comes off as genuinely overwhelmed and unhappy and in need of help. This was because Meryl Streep thought the character as originally written was too unsympathetic, and the filmmakers agreed with her. (So did everybody else, if $106m return on a budget of $8m and five Oscars are anything to go by.[[note]]Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actor for Hoffman and Best Supporting Actress for Streep.[[/note]]

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* AdaptationalHeroism: In the novel, Joanna is much more self-centered and narcissistic, whereas in the movie, she comes off as genuinely overwhelmed and unhappy and in need of help. This was because Meryl Streep thought the character as originally written was too unsympathetic, and the filmmakers agreed with her. (So did everybody else, if $106m return on a budget of $8m and five Oscars are anything to go by.[[note]]Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actor for Hoffman and Best Supporting Actress for Streep.[[/note]][[/note]])
29th Nov '16 5:51:47 AM 06tele
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* AdaptationalHeroism: In the novel, Joanna is much more self-centered and narcissistic, whereas in the movie, she comes off as genuinely overwhelmed and unhappy and in need of help. This is largely the result of Meryl Streep thinking the character as originally written was "too evil" and not realistic.

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* AdaptationalHeroism: In the novel, Joanna is much more self-centered and narcissistic, whereas in the movie, she comes off as genuinely overwhelmed and unhappy and in need of help. This is largely the result of was because Meryl Streep thinking thought the character as originally written was "too evil" too unsympathetic, and not realistic.the filmmakers agreed with her. (So did everybody else, if $106m return on a budget of $8m and five Oscars are anything to go by.[[note]]Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actor for Hoffman and Best Supporting Actress for Streep.[[/note]]
29th Nov '16 5:29:33 AM 06tele
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** Reinforced later on when Billy asks Ted why his mom left, and while Ted could blame Joanna for leaving, he instead tells Billy that he himself tried to make Joanna into someone else and was too selfish to listen to her when she tried to protest, and that she left not because she doesn't love Billy, but because she can't stand Ted.



-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the morons are violating the LTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''[[HandOrObjectUnderwear covers her boobs and groin with her hands]]'']

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-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the these morons are violating the LTC FTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''[[HandOrObjectUnderwear covers her boobs and groin with her hands]]'']
29th Nov '16 5:22:25 AM 06tele
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-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the morons are violating the LTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''[[HandUnderwear covers her boobs and groin with her hands]]'']

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-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the morons are violating the LTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''[[HandUnderwear [''[[HandOrObjectUnderwear covers her boobs and groin with her hands]]'']
29th Nov '16 5:22:00 AM 06tele
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-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the morons are violating the LTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''covers her boobs and groin with her hands'']

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-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the morons are violating the LTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''covers [''[[HandUnderwear covers her boobs and groin with her hands'']hands]]'']




while nude, leading to her awkwardly introducing herself while employing [[HandOrObjectUnderwear hand underwear]].
29th Nov '16 5:20:44 AM 06tele
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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: After coming home with Ted for a one-night stand, his coworker Phyllis encounters Billy in the hallway.

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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: After coming Ted brings his coworker Phyllis home with Ted for a one-night stand, his coworker Phyllis she encounters Billy in the hallway.hallway, having neglected to throw a robe on for her trip to the bathroom.
29th Nov '16 5:19:46 AM 06tele
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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: After coming home with Ted for a one-night stand, his coworker Phyllis encounters Billy in the hallway while nude, leading to her awkwardly introducing herself while employing [[HandOrObjectUnderwear hand underwear]].

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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: After coming home with Ted for a one-night stand, his coworker Phyllis encounters Billy in the hallway hallway.
-->'''Phyllis''': [''walking naked into the hall while whispering to Ted''] It's just that the morons are violating the LTC regulations so I have to get down there and make sure-- [''turns and sees Billy''] AHH!! [''covers her boobs and groin with her hands'']
-->'''Billy''': Hi.
-->'''Phyllis''': ...Hi.
-->'''Billy''': What's your name?
-->'''Phyllis''': I'm Phyllis Bernard.
-->'''Billy''': Who?
-->'''Phyllis''': I'm a f-friend of, business associate of your father's. Father. Dad.
-->'''Billy''': Do you like fried chicken?
-->'''Phyllis''': Fried chicken, very much.
-->'''Billy''': So do I.\\
[''Awkward pause'']
-->'''Phyllis''': Ah... Well, I, it's been really... [''starts backing away from towards the bedroom again''] It's been really nice seeing you, and, ah--
-->'''Billy''': [''going into the bathroom''] Bye.
-->'''Phyllis''': I'm...bye. [''backs into bedroom. Pause.''] Kramer. I just met your son.

while nude, leading to her awkwardly introducing herself while employing [[HandOrObjectUnderwear hand underwear]].
29th Nov '16 4:58:19 AM 06tele
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29th Nov '16 4:56:53 AM 06tele
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* LeavingYouToFindMyself: The rationale Joanna gives Ted for leaving him at the start.

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* LeavingYouToFindMyself: The rationale Deconstructed. Joanna gives leaves Ted for leaving him at not out of a vague desire to be a more complete person, but because all her life she's been looked after (by her family, in college) and now that she's married to Ted, he's a workaholic who leaves the start.entire business of raising Billy and looking after their house to her. She feels totally overwhelmed, doesn't love Ted any more, considers herself to be a terrible parent, and explicit tells Ted that Billy is "better off without me". [[spoiler: That this is not just self-justification on her part is demonstrated when, after she's been awarded custody, she decides that Billy really is better off living with Ted, and decides not to take custody of him.]]



* ToiletSeatDivorce: The reason for Joanna's leaving boils down to this.
25th Nov '16 1:49:32 PM Pamina
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* AdaptationalHeroism: She's also much more self-centered and narcissistic, whereas in the movie, she comes off as genuinely overwhelmed and unhappy and in need of help.

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* AdaptationalHeroism: She's also In the novel, Joanna is much more self-centered and narcissistic, whereas in the movie, she comes off as genuinely overwhelmed and unhappy and in need of help.help. This is largely the result of Meryl Streep thinking the character as originally written was "too evil" and not realistic.
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